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Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:11 PM

 

Bernie said.."The goal isn't to win elections"

the rest of the quote explains Sanders thought which is worthy and should not be dismissed...
"The goal isnít to win elections, the goal is to transform America"

The problem is today it is imperative to win the election.

But Bernie is still playing the 'transform' america game while the enemy has america in a deathgrip.

America as an ideal will die, if we don't wrest control from the GOP immediately.

I wrote in January 2017 and several time after, we have to crash the system in order to get Trump and the GOP out of power. I can see over the last few days that there have been articles the our time is running out to stop this train wreck...and I believe it.

I don't think its time for niceties.

That is the appeal of Mike, he is all in on the enemy.

He's still not my choice...but I fully understand why people are backing him.
I guess those people are seeing things similar to the way I am...but they are even more desperate or pessimistic.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Elizabeth Warren

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Reply Bernie said.."The goal isn't to win elections" (Original post)
Fresh_Start Feb 13 OP
RandySF Feb 13 #1
greatauntoftriplets Feb 13 #2
Kurt V. Feb 13 #3
Fresh_Start Feb 13 #5
Bradshaw3 Feb 13 #7
Fresh_Start Feb 13 #9
InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 14 #26
mopinko Feb 13 #4
Fresh_Start Feb 13 #8
BlueIdaho Feb 13 #14
Fresh_Start Feb 13 #15
BlueIdaho Feb 13 #16
Fresh_Start Feb 13 #17
Fresh_Start Feb 13 #18
BlueIdaho Feb 13 #19
Fresh_Start Feb 13 #21
Bradshaw3 Feb 13 #6
Fresh_Start Feb 13 #10
Bradshaw3 Feb 14 #24
jr1118x Feb 13 #11
Fresh_Start Feb 13 #12
jr1118x Feb 13 #22
Fresh_Start Feb 13 #23
Cha Feb 14 #25
mopinko Feb 13 #13
Still In Wisconsin Feb 13 #20
gollygee Feb 14 #27

Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:13 PM

1. It better be or we're truly fucked in 2021.

 

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:13 PM

2. We absolutely need to win this election because Spanky's transforming the US.

 

If we stand on principle and lose, we're fucked.
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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:15 PM

3. Perhaps America has already been transformed. and mike is responsible.

 

Let's take this back.
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Response to Kurt V. (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:17 PM

5. Nope Mike wasn't responsible for the transformation of America, rejected nt

 



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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:19 PM

7. You need to do more research on Bloomberg

 

One quick example is PA senator Pat Toomey who narrowly won re-election in 2016 thanks in part to more than $11M from Bloomberg. He voted to acquit drumpf, helping to transform America.
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Response to Bradshaw3 (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:30 PM

9. I know about bloombergs donations to republicans and democrats

 

i know he didn't vote for Toomey..

and had Toomey voted differently Trump would still have been acquitted.

But you know our Senators could have been trying to pursuade the GOP senators ....instead of you know campaigning for president
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Response to Bradshaw3 (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:14 PM

26. BOOOOOOOOMMM!!!

 




Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:15 PM

4. bernie is stuck in a brain warp. he really is.

 

got one lens that he sees everything through, and never wonders what is outside it.
he cant think on his feet. he is talking by rote now.
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Response to mopinko (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:24 PM

8. the newsweek article I linked to in the other post is good

 

there were also some other good articles on why his economic ideas are stuck in a time warp as well.

the bad behavior of his supporters is a direct outcome of his strategy and why the Maga'ts are also terrible

couple of articles
https://www.forbes.com/sites/iese/2017/01/24/why-populism-is-rising-and-how-to-combat-it#42cdb30b1d44
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/04/trump-populism-le-pen/523491/

ē Intellectuals and experts are viewed with suspicion because of their ties with the elite. Their words are perceived as skewed and biased.

ē Anyone who disagrees with the body politic should be spurned and, if necessary, intimidated. Those who try to stabilize political institutions will hinder the advancement of populism.

In populist movement... it is important to accentuate every conflict and wrap it up tightly in an emotionally charged bundle.

The disdain populists feel for experts is nothing compared to the distaste they have for journalists. In some countries, this leads to incarcerations, beatings, and even assassinations. Journalists, like scientists, obtain information that can clash with the narrative the populist finds most convenient.
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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:50 PM

14. Thanks for the links...

 

Populism is a real danger. It exists on both the right and the left and it poisons discourse.
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Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #14)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:58 PM

15. yes, it is a strategy not a political philosophy

 

which is why it a can be used on both left and right

and it is destructive and should be called out

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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #15)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 08:04 PM

16. I was trying to explain that the other day...

 

Populism sounds like it should be good... but itís soooo not.

This is also a pretty good real:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/09/07/the-populists
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Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 08:07 PM

17. thank you for the link i will definitely read it nt

 

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Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 08:12 PM

18. i think your article is a more about high level impact

 

the others allude more to the lower level impacts of delegitimizing experts and media and elite and making it an us v them highly emotional scenario.

it was a good article.
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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #18)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 08:15 PM

19. Well put.

 

At least thought provoking.

Thanks for the chat.
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Response to BlueIdaho (Reply #19)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 08:22 PM

21. any time

 

my husband has little tolerance for politics...
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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:17 PM

6. Sorry, but ALL of the candidates are all in on drumpf

 

They have been trying to differentiate themselves, which is what people do in a primary. If they only ran ads about drumpf, it would be a disservice. They will do that once the process is ending or over. Bloomberg can do it because he hasn't been challenged and because he has lots of money to run ads which will appeal to every Democrat out there. Doesn't make him the best candidate by a long shot. It does, however, make some feel he doesn't need to be vetted.
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Response to Bradshaw3 (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:33 PM

10. nope the evidence is out there...they are not all in on trump

 

this could be a discussion about what actions they will take in office against the crimes of the current administration...but I think Liz is the only one who actually has that as a material goal. Amy has related goals...but Liz is the only one out for blood.
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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 06:07 PM

24. Thye all agree about him and will focus more on him in the future

 

The process now is about defining themselves.
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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:35 PM

11. We need a leader with vision

 

I'm trying to think of any past elections has a major candidate ever won by just being against someone and not having a platform and support for that.

How are you expecting a canidate to win if all the focus is just on being Anti-Trump. What is your vision and besides just trying to get him out of office what is your plan. You can sure bet the Rs have a plan. Besides the Trump shit show they have been ruthlessly effective in their goals and agenda. How are you going to stop that without vision and goals of your own.

We need someone who can inspire and lead not just try to go back to the same old same old that was broken and gave us Trump in the first place.
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Response to jr1118x (Reply #11)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:38 PM

12. every one of the candidates has a vision. a few of them can actually make progress

 

because unless there is progress...there is no progressive...there is just masturbation.

some of them actually delivered progress toward their vision...big round of applause to liz for the CFPB.

others like to pontificate
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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #12)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 08:50 PM

22. I don't think that's true

 

I think some don't really have a vision but several appear just content on status-quo or what donors might want instead of helping the people. Some deliver, Like Liz and the CFPB was a great example, but there are several candidates whose history shows the deliver more for the donors than the citizens.
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Response to jr1118x (Reply #22)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 08:57 PM

23. i had an entire series of posts yesterday about the

 

enacted laws sponsored by each of the candidates who are/were in Congress.

I take progress over white paper every day.

Vision without results is not what I'm looking for.
You of course can disagree

Bernie was the among the least effective legislators.

And you can't tell me his constituent services for the state of Vermont was more taxing then for example Liz's constituent services in a state 10 times as large.

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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #23)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 09:44 PM

25. Thank you!

 

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Response to jr1118x (Reply #11)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:44 PM

13. i believe that has been true in the past. this one, not so sure.

 

i believe the polling is clear- beating twitler is job one, period.
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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 08:18 PM

20. Sanders and his free rainbows and unicorns platform

 

will get us four more years of Trump.
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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:16 PM

27. Losing elections won't transform America

 

Unless he means by moving it even further right. We have to win elections.
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