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Thu Feb 13, 2020, 05:26 PM

 

Please, enough with the pearl clutching


I rarely post here but I canít stomach any more of these ĎIf Bernie wins all is lostí threads. Back your horse and stop throwing mud on the rest of the field. Let the people vote. Weíre going to win.

Iím 61, so itís not my first rodeo. Iím what is known in America as Ďthe far leftí. In other words Iíd like to see America advance to where the rest of the industrialized world arrived in the middle of the last century.

You have to live in a place where healthcare is a tool for extracting wealth, where the criminal justice system is a profitable way to create slave labor while disenfranchising minorities, where elections are a system of institutionalized graft and where public policy is sold to the highest bidder without regard for the common good or for future consequences, to believe what I want, what Bernie is proposing, is somehow radical.

Turning our election finance system into a bottomless money pit was a stroke of evil genius for conservatives. They have made winning elections dependent on the one thing they have an absolute advantage in: Money. And if you want to know why MBNBC hates Bernie, there is your answer. Campaign finance reform will cost the media dearly, while making elections about ideas and policies rather than who is selling themselves to whom..

Trump is going to lose to whomever is the democratic candidate. He lost the popular vote in 2016 and he hasnít made a friend since. Not one. Heís pissed off the farmers, the truckers, the coal miners, the military, you name it. For a lot of people he was a protest vote that they now regret. Heís going to go down in flames.

So letís take advantage of the situation and stand for something for once. Forty years of being milktoast republican lite has seen the democratic party, and in turn the country wither and rot. Trump himself is a manifestation of the loss of our moral compass.

So stop the pearl clutching and stand for something for a change. Letís see if we canít finally claw our way into the middle of the 20th century. Give people something to get excited about. The promise of a better life, and it will be.
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Reply Please, enough with the pearl clutching (Original post)
NCcoast Thursday OP
FiveGoodMen Thursday #1
Cary Thursday #2
Demsrule86 Thursday #9
KPN Thursday #64
demigoddess Friday #104
guillaumeb Thursday #3
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DaDeacon Thursday #23
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Response to NCcoast (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 05:28 PM

1. K&R!

 

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Response to NCcoast (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 05:29 PM

2. I am a single issue voter

 

DEFEAT ORANGE HITLER AS IF OUR LIVES DEPENDS ON IT.

Because our lives do depend on it and also the fascists have 3,000 data points on each of us and they are pitting us against each other and I refuse to allow them to use and abuse me.

VOTE DEMOCRATIC!
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Response to Cary (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 05:46 PM

9. +10000000000

 

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Response to Cary (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 08:14 PM

64. Me too!

 

Stop the blood letting! Vote Blue No Matter Who!

Sanders, Warren, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Biden, Bloomberg in that order of preference for me.


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Response to Cary (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 04:56 PM

104. me too

 

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Response to NCcoast (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 05:29 PM

3. Recommended.

 

My view from a few days ago:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212963491
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Response to NCcoast (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 05:32 PM

4. "So let's take advantage of the situation and stand for something for once."

 

Some of us have been standing for something for decades.

"Forty years of being milktoast (sic) republican lite has seen the democratic party, and in turn the country wither and rot."

Ah, it's always the Democratic Party's fault.
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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 05:37 PM

5. K&R

 

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 05:39 PM

6. No, the way I see it...

 

It's the fault of the conservatives who devised an ingenious way to subjugate the Democratic party by creating a campaign finance system which would force Democrats to compromise their values in order to raise enough money to compete in a system where they would never be competitive. And it's been working like a charm.
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Response to NCcoast (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 05:46 PM

10. THAT, plus the Electoral College with it's built in 1-2% tilt to the right

 

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Response to groundloop (Reply #10)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:39 PM

54. And the ability for a trumpite to be a member.

 

That last minute electoral vote in 2016 that was out of line with the numbers weighing in for Hillary. Yeah I remember how my stomach dropped when that happened.
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Response to NCcoast (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 05:50 PM

12. Uh, huh.

 

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 06:55 PM

23. Whose fault

 


"Forty years of being milktoast (sic) republican lite has seen the democratic party, and in turn the country wither and rot."


Yes it's the parties Fault too many compromises to move to the middle.
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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 08:32 PM

66. Yeah, that kinda ticks me off. Milk toast? Really?

 

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Response to flying_wahini (Reply #66)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 11:10 PM

82. The term is actually milquetoast.

 

Which makes the assertion even sillier.
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Response to NCcoast (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 05:42 PM

7. Well Said

 

The OP is exactly right.
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Response to NCcoast (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 05:45 PM

8. I prefer to win...then 'stand for whatever' ....there is no honor in losing to Trump.

 

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 05:52 PM

13. Great

 

Start that winning any time you're ready.
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Response to NCcoast (Reply #13)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 09:38 PM

77. Really, what the hell is this supposed to mean?

 

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Response to NCcoast (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 05:50 PM

11. YOU may be "far left', but the country is not. #1 should be winning.

 

And going to the far left likely wont accomplish that. Like it or not, trump, even being the trashcan that he is, is still the "known quantity" to many voters. They may say "oh i think he's awful. A terrible human. But i'm doing ok right now" and either vote for him again or simply NOT vote at all. Its a big risk to try to go all in with everything & trump gets 4 more years.
I really want to see that face on a losing night. And a BIG loss, not some close shit they can say was "stolen"
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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #11)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 05:58 PM

14. So win already

 

What are you waiting on? Stop whining about other candidate and put one in the win column.
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Response to NCcoast (Reply #14)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 06:03 PM

15. 11/20. Thats why i'm committed to backing the ones who have the best chance.

 

But i also dont post negative stories about the ones i DONT think can win. This is DU; EVERYONE wants someone other than trump.
But DU votes arent the ones needed to win.
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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #15)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 06:12 PM

17. But you don't know who has the best chance.

 

So let people support whomever they wish and let the chips fall where they may.
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Response to NCcoast (Reply #14)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 06:12 PM

16. We did win in 2018.

 

That might be news to you, but we won pretty much every open seat in House races and made gains in state legislatures and elsewhere, and the vast majority were won by moderate Dems.

From what I recall, the keys were turnout and running on issues, not denigrating the party and bemoaning the loss of its moral compass.
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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 06:17 PM

18. We are going to win, I said so

 

I think the 2018 winners won because they were democrats, not because they were moderate democrats.
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Response to NCcoast (Reply #18)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 06:34 PM

19. But more moderate candidates won than liberal candidates

 

Cant win without the Independent voters. they normally dont swing too far left.
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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #19)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:01 PM

25. The moderates won

 

After they beat many left leaning Democrats in primaries. Know what else they did? Took slot of money that they had to pay back with soft support of things many of us wanted. How did that narrowly define "moderate" view on impeachment work?!?! He's still funding the wall. No republican like Dem is looking to shutdown the Govt to stop it ...gutless pragmatism it not the same as moderate!
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Response to DaDeacon (Reply #25)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:05 PM

27. Yes, its always "but...but...but..." when a centrist wins.

 

i dont care if they compromised on this or that. Hard line usually wins you nothing
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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #27)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:11 PM

35. And compromise did what?

 

The but is the fact of the matter. Winning power to do nothing is pointless. We had the president, house and senate and we passed the Republican healthcare plan from the 90s ?!?! We were shocked that they didn't join us?!?! What's the moderate position on kids in cages again. The Republicans went full hard line stole two elections and the supreme court you want to keep fighting queensberry rules while they beat us with clubs and stab us with knives.
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Response to DaDeacon (Reply #35)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 09:08 PM

72. Won the House in '18, thats what they won.

 

Would you like the Senate?
Would you compromise to get it?
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Response to NCcoast (Reply #14)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:09 PM

34. What is the point of this? You seem to think you are laying

 

down the law for us. What the hell is saying, "so win already" supposed to do? Did you think that wasn't what everyone here is trying to do?

These posts that show up periodically with the attitude of, "So listen up and I'll tell you how things really are because obviously none of you knows" serve no purpose.
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Response to Squinch (Reply #34)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:29 PM

50. What I'm saying is very clear

 

I'm saying I'm tired of being told by people who have no way of knowing that Bernie can't win, while he's winning. And being told that by a guy whose candidate is posting fourth place finishes. I'm being told Bernie can't win by a guy whose candidate, in their last national bid finished 6th behind Dennis Kucinich and just ahead of 'no particular preference'. That guy doesn't have a crystal ball. Neither do I, neither do you. So what I am suggesting at long last is that he should back his candidate and let others do the same and stop with the 'yours can't win' nonsense because he doesn't know.
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Response to NCcoast (Reply #50)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 08:11 PM

62. So, again, if you find the discussions about who will win to be tiresome and offensive, and you

 

don't want to have to listen to anyone else's opinions on why their candidate will win and another won't, why are you here on a discussion board whose major purpose is those discussions?

If you don't want to engage with those discussions, then don't.
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Response to Squinch (Reply #34)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 05:13 PM

107. So true.

 

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Response to NCcoast (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 06:36 PM

20. Sorry, but if Bernie wins all is lost. And if you are thinking this election is not going to be

 

a fight, you have not been paying attention for years.
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Response to Squinch (Reply #20)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 06:55 PM

24. Why do you contend moderate Democrats won't support their nominee?

 

A unified and energized Democratic party always wins. I don't think the party's moderates will fail us no matter who the nominee is.

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Response to Gore1FL (Reply #24)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:04 PM

26. To all but his supporters, Bernie has very little to recommend him.

 

We need more than the loyal base to overcome the cheating and ratfucking that will be going on. We need the "not all that interested in politics" Democrats, a lot of independents and a few disgruntled republicans.

Bernie won't get any of those.
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Response to Squinch (Reply #26)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:23 PM

46. Blue no matter who.

 

In post 21 I provided an article that statistically demonstrates independents are all over the place politically. The middle isn't a gold mine



https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=514390
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Response to Gore1FL (Reply #46)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:26 PM

49. Yes. That's you and me. It isnt the entire electorate. And the

 

cheating has already begun, so we MUST have as many votes as possible to counteract it.

This is not like any other election any of us has ever witnessed.

Bernie is not going to cut it for most people. That's why a lot of the republican cheating is geared toward making him the nominee. Because they can demolish him in the general.
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Response to Squinch (Reply #49)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:37 PM

53. Do you have polls that support the assertion?

 

I hear it said a lot by a lot of people, but I have never been given data that demonstrates it.

At this time in 2008 we were doomed because Obama was winning things.
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Response to Gore1FL (Reply #24)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:07 PM

29. Its not Democrats you have to worry about. Its the REST of the voters.

 

Dems & GOP make up about 60-65% of the voters; the rest consider themselves "independent". I doubt many Democrat Obama voters voted for trump in '16. But a lot of OTHER Obama voters did. Need to get those people back on this side of the fence
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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #29)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:21 PM

43. The assumption the rest of the voters are moderate is incorrect.

 

I posted a graphic and a link to an article in post 26: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=514390
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Response to Gore1FL (Reply #43)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 09:14 PM

73. yes I saw it. Dont buy it, but i saw it.

 

Its just like the GOP hardliners calling anyone who doesnt tow the line on EVERY party line a "liberal" or "RINO"

But go ahead and run with it, and we'll see if trumps gone in 10 months or not
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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #73)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:34 PM

80. I run with the data.

 

If you have any that could counter it, I will happily look at it.
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Response to Squinch (Reply #20)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:09 PM

33. Not buying it

 

Bernie poles second only to Bloomberg, by one point, in the margin by which people prefer him to Trump. Pick a candidate and back them. And let others do the same.
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Response to NCcoast (Reply #33)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:11 PM

36. Why are you saying this? Obviously that is what everyone is doing.

 

What is your point?

If the point is to say that people should stop stating their opinions on the candidates, why are you posting here?
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Response to Squinch (Reply #36)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 11:16 PM

83. Elsewhere in the thread...

 

the OP noted that they only post once a year. That pretty much tells me everything I need to know about this thread, though the Dem-bashing pretty much did that already.

77 recommends tells me that either people didn't actually read it or I might want to find something else to do with my time.
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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #83)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 05:43 AM

87. Yes. It appears that they're baaaaaack.

 

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Response to Squinch (Reply #20)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 08:42 PM

67. Thank you 'Undecided'. With 43% of the DU vote, your candidate seems like a sure winner.

 

Your bold indecisiveness should be a beacon of hope to other committed wafflers.
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Response to denverbill (Reply #67)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 08:46 PM

68. Poor dear. Do you really think that it matters that you have declared on DU? Or that I haven't?

 

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Response to Squinch (Reply #68)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 09:55 PM

78. Oh no dear. Bless your heart.

 

Some people make their choices early on, like me, because their beliefs match the beliefs of their candidate. My candidate has espoused the same beliefs for 40 years, beliefs which no 'serious' Democratic contenders has espoused since 1992. It makes my choice easy. A candidate who believes what I believe and who isn't taking campaign contributions from health insurance companies, drug companies, hedge fund managers, or hospital corporations, or any other corporations/billionaires.

Your choice is much more difficult, because you are choosing between multiple candidates who oppose all of the above and think corporations are at least as important as real people. It's much harder for you to choose between Hickenlooper, Bennett, Bloomberg, Biden, Hoyer, Buttigeug, Klochubar, and others who are dedicated to not rocking the boat, than it is for me to choose Sanders, and who think Warren would be a good President as well.

Here's hoping you figure it out before November!
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Response to denverbill (Reply #78)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:05 PM

79. Goodness. Since you know nothing about me, all this self-congratulation is just

 

stuff you have made up in your head.

It must be nice to be so certain of your superiority on the basis of so little information.
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Response to NCcoast (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 06:47 PM

21. The moderate middle is a myth.

 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-moderate-middle-is-a-myth/

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Response to NCcoast (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 06:55 PM

22. Preach!!!

 

Well said. Stop allowing trump world to throw granades in our circle. Unite or lose. And what we lose will be Unfathomable.
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Response to NCcoast (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:06 PM

28. Well said.

 

Thank you.
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Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:07 PM

30. I will continue to " clutch my pearls", thanks,as needed.

 

I have a weather radio which warns me based on their collected data.

I follow data carefully. If a warning is important , let us pay attention.

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Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:08 PM

31. While I tend to agree....

 

Its still in the hands of the Electoral Collage.. and last time they handed the Presidency to Donald Trump. The Popular vote didn't count for spit. Its almost like the US government allows us to vote, however, its always going to be the Electoral Collage that makes the final decision, so how is it really in our hands? I don't get it.

I will vote for whoever we nominate, but unless the Electoral Collage is good with our candidate what's to prevent them from picking Trump again??? ???
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Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:08 PM

32. Exactly Right

 

Thank you so much for your thoughts. You have expressed my opinion perfectly. It is fear that is motivating everyone, unfortunately. Fear of 4 more years of Trump and fear of a new way forward with Bernie. Most democrats/Indep that have been polled agree with health care as a human right, 15.00 p/hr Federal Wage increase, Attacking Climate Change and getting MONEY out of political campaigns and Lobbying. Let's do this thing!!!!
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Response to hillhouse704 (Reply #32)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 09:16 PM

74. welcome to DU

 

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Response to NCcoast (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:12 PM

37. I love you.

 

You make sense 😊
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Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:12 PM

38. K&R

 

Very well said.
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Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:14 PM

39. No. -nt

 

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Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:17 PM

40. I posted the thread that was titled, If Bernie is the nominee Trump will get a 2nd term

 

It was just my thoughts on the issue. BTW I voted for Bernie in the primary in OH in 2016.
I will vote for Bernie if he is the nominee but I don't see anyway that he will win the White
House and I have no doubt that Russia, Vlad, and the Trump campaign are working 24/7 right
now to help make sure that Bernie wins the nomination because they see him as the weakest
person to run against.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287507770
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Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:19 PM

41. I agree with the OP on this

 

At least i think i do. So many replies i almost forgot what it was. VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO!
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Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:20 PM

42. k&R

 

Debbie Downers are annoying.
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Response to NCcoast (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:22 PM

44. Right On

 

🙌🏻 🙌🏼🙌🏽🙌🏾
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Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:22 PM

45. C'mon. We're 36th in health care and are ahead of Slovenia. At least we were. Why risk it all on a

 

candidate who might want to improve on that?? USA, USA. All jesting aside, I totally agree. The electorate seems to vote against their own self-interests and sadly, reality. They simply don't have the intellectual curiosity or comprehension to understand that they have nothing, and will never have anything, because it's all "rigged." Bernie and Liz have been yelling it to the rafters for years, and they are spot on.
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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #45)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 08:13 PM

63. You've summed up the problem

 

ďThe electorate... vote[s] against their own self-interests...Ē

I call them the IOA, the Idiots of America.

You get the government you deserve.

We the people have the power to seat a progressive, forward-looking, fair and egalitarian government. But weíre made up of geniuses who say things like, ďObamaís a Muslim, right?Ē and ďHeís gay?! I want to take my vote back!Ē

Unfortunately, doing so would be manipulated to disenfranchise too many people. But sometimes I think people should have to pass a basic test on government and current events in order to vote. Too many members of the IOA make it into the voting booth. If only we could weed them out. We just might eliminate or at least significantly reverse the voting against oneís own self interests syndrome.
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Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:25 PM

47. Nostradamus has several accounts on DU...

 

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Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:25 PM

48. Meh. Let folks clutch if they must.

 

People preached that Trump would NEVER get elected and they excoriated anyone as a ďconcern trollĒ for expressing their fears that the pudding smelled a bit off.

The US is currently under attack from within by Republicans working closely with Putin as he attacks America from the outside. Trump is still in the White House instead of in jail, and I just saw yet another post saying Trump was finally gonna get his comeuppance for the recent illegal termination of Vidman and/or for interfering in the Stone prosecution. Where such optimism comes from is truly a wonder to me.

As for those of us who have repeatedly witnessed Republicans taking giant dumps on the Constitution, please allow us a bit of pearl clutching. The last time we put our pearls down someone else used them to choke us. So long as the teeth gnashing and hand wringing inspires people to get out and fight, so be it.



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Response to NCcoast (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:33 PM

51. I rarely see what you're asserting. "Pearl clutching" is a favorite trolling idiom. n/t

 

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Response to Prof.Higgins (Reply #51)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:54 PM

58. Well I come from a long line

 

of short Irish trolls. But if I were the kind of troll you're implying I'd post more than once a year. But you're professor of linguistics so who am I to argue, right 'enry 'iggins?
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Response to NCcoast (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:33 PM

52. So the U.S.S.R.

 

has gone from Lenin to Putin and the capitalist oligarchs, now the U.S. will go from Wall Street laissez-faire capitalism to state-sponsored socialism for the workers and students, and all on-the-fly at the flip of a viciously contested election?

In what fantasy world will this transformation be taking place?
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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #52)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 05:32 PM

109. EXACTLY!

 

There's nothing in the history of the country that remotely suggests that that kind of transformation will happen in one election cycle.
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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #52)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 05:40 PM

111. Or at all really

 

Because even in the Great Depression we relied on corporations and titans of industry, many of them friends and classmates of FDR, for jobs and what necessities we could afford. Incentive and money drives any system.
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Response to NCcoast (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:45 PM

55. Thank you for saying what should be said.

 

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Response to NCcoast (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:49 PM

56. The fact that Bernie is pure of heart ...

 

Doesn't mean that he can turn an aircraft carrier on a dime any more than the other Dem candidates.

Many of us who want to end up in approximately the same place as Bernie does nevertheless think it will take several multi-year steps to get there.
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Response to NCcoast (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 07:51 PM

57. Sorry but the truckers are still for DJT :(

 

At least the ones I hang out with. Some even want to opt out of Social Security and Medicare. More libertarian than Trump Party but they want to be on a winning team.
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Response to mwooldri (Reply #57)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 03:36 PM

93. ITs the disinformation radio

 

when you are spending long hours on the road or in the field, Theres rarely anything available that isn't pushing the propaganda. And when you hear anything enough times, its gonna have an impact.
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Response to quakerboy (Reply #93)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 04:09 PM

98. Maybe it is but we do have satellite radio...

 

Truckers are a conservative lot by nature. Being a liberal professional driver isn't easy... Maybe I need a hat that has "Feel the Bern" on it and wear that in the company of my Trump humping truckers?
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Response to mwooldri (Reply #98)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 07:18 PM

113. I had satellite when I was on the road long hours

 

But through most of the mountains it didn't work too well. Thankfully Im not doing that anymore

What did work literally everywhere was some combination of terrestrial radio Conservative talk, country music, christian, or Spanish language stations, With the occasional christian country spanish stations

And last I checked I found a number of conservative talk stations, along with one "liberal" station that seemed to veer wildly between scattered or in lock step talking points, not the intelegent conversations I was looking for. And a couple news stations with a more neutral or international POV

Id be curious if the culture or the radio and other influences are the chicken or the egg. Ive not been around long enough to know.. Were the early truckers conservative? Or when did that start to be a thing?
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Response to quakerboy (Reply #93)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 05:38 PM

110. And they vote for repugs after hearing that crap for 24/7.

 

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Response to NCcoast (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 08:05 PM

59. Thank you, great post

 

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Thu Feb 13, 2020, 08:09 PM

60. Thanks NCcoast. You rock. I agree 100%

 

We went with the "safe" vote too many times. For once I'm voting for a candidate that *I* believe in.
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Thu Feb 13, 2020, 08:09 PM

61. Good post.

 

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Response to NCcoast (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 08:24 PM

65. I think you should post more.

 

This country has careened so far to the right, that common sense from the 1970's is now radical. Nixon proposed a national health care plan in 1974. NIXON for Pete's sake. https://khn.org/news/nixon-proposal

Now, on a website that ostensibly is left-wing, even suggesting single-payer is frequently derided as a utopian fantasy, despite every other advanced country in the world showing how it can be done in any number of different ways.

Who here loves their health insurance? I HATE mine. It costs thousands of dollars in premiums, and has a $3,000 deductible before you get reimbursed for anything. I have 2 co-workers in my 10 person office who have had claims rejected, one for a procedure which was PRE-APPROVED by the insurance company (eventually they paid after MONTHS of denying it) and another who has spent over a year fighting his denial of coverage when he had emergency surgery for a bowel obstruction, and 2 of the surgeons involved weren't in his health care plan. EMERGENCY SURGERY. Like he was supposed to be calling around making sure everyone in the OR was on his provider list when he's unconscious.

And then there are hospitals, who charge $50 for a $.05 aspirin, or who charge $1000 for a procedure if you have a particular brand of insurance, but $10,000 if you have NO insurance. And drug companies, who arrange deals with health insurers to overcharge their customers for drugs, then give kickbacks to the insurers, unbeknownst to the patient. Or who charge Americans 10 times more for insulin than Canadians pay,

A two-party system where BOTH parties get most of their funding from corporations is a recipe for disaster, and for the last 30+ years, it's what we've had. This ain't my first rodeo either, but frankly, I'm tired of rodeos where both candidates decry socialism with equal vigor, despite the fact that the two most popular government programs in America, Social Security and Medicare, are socialist.

Trump is an unstable idiot. Dumbest and most incompetent person ever to inhabit the White House. His personality is basically a combination of a drunken frat boy with a spoiled rotten middle school girl. He's a friend to dictators and a enemy of democracies. He wants to help the rich at the expense of the poor. He bans people fleeing oppression from immigrating to American and helps corrupts plutocrats buy their way in. Anyone who would even THINK of not voting for Sanders or Warren if they are the eventual nominee, frankly doesn't have America's best interests at heart.
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Response to denverbill (Reply #65)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 08:50 PM

69. I'm with you 100%

 

One of my favorite quotes from Rachel Maddow is her calling herself an 'Eisenhower Republican'. So true. We've slid so far to the right that was a mainstream republican policy in the 1950s in now seen as far left. It's just insane. And all of these frogs in our pot wringing their hands over universal healthcare being a bridge too far. You want to build a following? Have somewhere to go.
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Response to NCcoast (Reply #69)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 09:06 PM

71. Yes, funny thing is, I'm a fiscal conservative.

 

I want balanced budgets, but national healthcare and more generous Social Security. It's called paying higher taxes and getting more security. It's called making American great for everyone, not just corporations and the wealthy.

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Response to NCcoast (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 08:52 PM

70. Welcome to the primaries.

 

Those who cannot stand the standard heat of a primary race should probably not get involved.
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Response to NCcoast (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 09:20 PM

75. I immediately ignore any post that includes the term "pearl clutching"

 

Belittling people who disagree with you by comparing their disagreement to some imagined feminine reaction is obnoxious and sexist.
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Response to gollygee (Reply #75)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 09:36 PM

76. Good policy! I'm going to adopt that.

 

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Response to gollygee (Reply #75)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 04:56 PM

103. The Admins need to add the "Pearl Clutching" filter ignore list....

 


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Response to NCcoast (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:43 PM

81. +1

 

WOW...

...
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Thu Feb 13, 2020, 11:23 PM

84. Hear, hear. I agree completely... except I don't think winning is quite as sure a thing as you do.

 

Due to cheating the system. And cheating the system is something that there has been far too little enforcement against so here we are, with a senate that of course continues to fight funding for election infrastructure security.

I will say Iím confident that Sanders wins Michigan. It was very narrowly lost, partly due to voter disenfranchisement, particularly in Detroit, and partly due to something I canít discuss in this forum except to say Michiganders like Sanders.

If our party had paid more attention to what Sanders has been saying for decades, and started moving in that direction weíd be in far better shape now... itís as if weíre standing here flat footed and asking what the heck happened. What happened is we didnít pay attention to what he was warning against and now we have citizens united which is making the election as well as social progress treacherous. Now you can say sure, hindsightís 20/20, but I say at least put.your.damned.glasses.on.now.

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Response to NCcoast (Original post)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 11:32 PM

85. Thank you - K and R!!!!

 

I needed your post around here today and lately and I agree whole heartedly!
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Response to NCcoast (Original post)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 12:35 AM

86. Well said.

 

Moderate candidates have equal opportunity to run a stellar race and win the nomination, as does Sanders. Meanwhile, the hand wringing over Sanders tells a lot about our unwillingness to consider bold, structural solutions or even call out the obvious tilting of the system towards the 1%.

Better government has to be earned, and the Sanders camp is bringing a lot of voices together to strive for a sea change in politics. Our collective pessimism about truly transformative solutions is a sad thing to see. Maybe 2020 is when that changes!

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Fri Feb 14, 2020, 06:14 AM

88. This is truly the most bizarre thread I have seen here in a long time. On a website whose

 

sole purpose is the sharing of political information and opinions, someone comes along and says he's just sick to death of all this sharing of political information and opinions. That it's just a lot of pearl clutching and people should stop discussing it, "back their horse," "let the people vote." In other posts in the thread, he exhorts people to "just win." Then he proceeds to discuss his own opinion at great length.

Then dozens of people who have signed onto the website for the specific purpose of sharing political opinions and information recommend the thread.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #88)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 07:43 AM

90. Thank you.

 

Well said.

Primaries season sure brings out the craziness.
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Response to NCcoast (Original post)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 06:17 AM

89. Why can't people have an opinion

 

on which candidates they don't think could win the EC? That's the point of the primary - to pick the person to go in the general. It seems then a very interesting question to discuss how they would do in the EC.
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Fri Feb 14, 2020, 10:36 AM

91. Thank you

 

If we run the most popular politician in the country, that's a pretty good place to start
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Fri Feb 14, 2020, 03:13 PM

92. Well I'm 73 and I'm telling you

 

Bernie CANNOT WIN. The right has been busy painting him with the "communist" brush and if you think that won't scare the MAGAts you haven't been paying attention.

It is NOT a sure thing that Trump will lose. Far from it.

We CANNOT afford to front a candidate who will piss off the rest of the country. Do you honestly believe that after witnessing the backlash to 8 years of the first black President that this country will put into office an openly gay man? A man whom the Right believes is a Communist? A woman? You are DREAMING.

Now is NOT the time to try and move this country forward even an inch. We HAVE to take the Senate and the White House if we are going to stop this slide into fascism.
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Response to DarleenMB (Reply #92)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 03:40 PM

94. But it's never the time to move the country forward even an inch

 

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Reply #94)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 06:26 PM

112. Funny how that works isn't it

 

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Fri Feb 14, 2020, 03:43 PM

95. I was guilty of posting such things. Recent events made some things pretty clear.

 

I won't go further into the why's as I've already posted about that in other threads, but suffice it to say I've learned the win at all costs mindset can lead one down the wrong path and foster some pretty ugly blind spots. Primary season is nuts.
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Response to NCcoast (Original post)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 03:48 PM

96. Healthy debate

 

Iím sick of the posts, mostly on Facebook, that say we need to stop attacking each otherís candidates and vote blue no matter who.

But now is the time for a healthy debate on all the candidates. Civil criticism is fine. Petty attacks, not so much.

Posts of substance most appreciated. You donít like my candidate? Tell me why. And add a bit on why yours is better.

Too many shut down any criticism like itís a personal attack.
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Response to NCcoast (Original post)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 04:03 PM

97. Wish I had your confidence

 

Before the 2016 presidential election, I was telling fellow democrats it was going to be a close race. I was told not to worry because women were going to vote overwhelmingly against Trump. Then, 53% of white women voted for Trump. When I pointed out that here in the Lehigh Valley, PA, I was seeing a large number of Trump yard signs and bumper stickers, and very few Hillary signs... I was told don't worry, Hillary will win PA. Trump flipped Northampton county from blue to red, and PA too.

"Trump is going to lose to whomever is the Democratic candidate." I have no such confidence.

I'm again already seeing Trump signs and even flags. We Dems might not need to clutch our pearls, but we do have plenty to worry about.
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Fri Feb 14, 2020, 04:11 PM

99. Thank you

 

good to hear from another "far left" person.

I too would like to see our nation advance to where the rest of the industrialized world arrived in the middle of the last century!

I doubt he's gained many supporters over the last couple of years and he's working to alienate even more every day. We win if we vote.
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Fri Feb 14, 2020, 04:47 PM

100. THIS! All day long and twice on Saturday. n/t

 

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Response to NCcoast (Original post)

Fri Feb 14, 2020, 04:50 PM

101. I think this speaks for itself

 

The Democrats would be insane to run Sanders with this hanging over his head.

https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/05/29/410606045/the-bernie-sanders-rape-fantasy-essay-explained


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Fri Feb 14, 2020, 04:55 PM

102. If Democrats are Republican lite, then I'm Republican lite

 

I am a Democrat. I have supported our candidates for decades. I do not believe that they are Republicans.
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Fri Feb 14, 2020, 04:59 PM

105. Thanks for your post!

 

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Fri Feb 14, 2020, 05:08 PM

106. woowee. k&r

 

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Fri Feb 14, 2020, 05:17 PM

108. My workplace is mired in the 19th century

 

Iíve been begging them to join the 20th century. You know - things like computerized record keeping.

Surprisingly nobody has pointed out that weíre in the 21st.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Pete Buttigieg

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