HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Retired » Retired Forums » Democratic Primaries (Forum) » Woman called "lying dog f...
Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:15 PM

 

Woman called "lying dog faced pony soldier" felt insulted...


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-jokingly-calls-voter-who-asked-about-iowa-a-lying-dog-faced-pony-soldier/2020/02/09/9e8da478-4b75-11ea-9b5c-eac5b16dafaa_story.html


In a statement released a few hours later, Moore wrote, ďI asked Joe Biden a fair question. His immediate response was to question whether I had ever attended a caucus. In my nervousness in the presence of the former Vice President, I nodded yes.Ē

Moore has not been to a caucus, she said. But she also accused Biden of insulting her, writing ďin reality, it is totally irrelevant whether Iíve been to a caucus or not. Joe Biden has been performing incredibly poorly in this race. His inability to answer a simple question from a nobody college student like me only exacerbates that reality.Ē
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

87 replies, 4699 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 87 replies Author Time Post
Reply Woman called "lying dog faced pony soldier" felt insulted... (Original post)
fallout87 Feb 2020 OP
OliverQ Feb 2020 #1
fallout87 Feb 2020 #2
wisteria Feb 2020 #7
OliverQ Feb 2020 #19
squirecam Feb 2020 #23
brooklynite Feb 2020 #36
tonedevil Feb 2020 #40
squirecam Feb 2020 #45
brooklynite Feb 2020 #51
squirecam Feb 2020 #54
brooklynite Feb 2020 #55
squirecam Feb 2020 #59
jberryhill Feb 2020 #72
BlueWI Feb 2020 #86
zackymilly Feb 2020 #75
Baclava Feb 2020 #12
Loki Liesmith Feb 2020 #26
OliverQ Feb 2020 #33
Kali Feb 2020 #3
wisteria Feb 2020 #5
Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #52
Kali Feb 2020 #60
Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #65
wisteria Feb 2020 #4
fallout87 Feb 2020 #6
Skya Rhen Feb 2020 #9
fallout87 Feb 2020 #10
phleshdef Feb 2020 #18
Indepatriot Feb 2020 #66
Loki Liesmith Feb 2020 #30
virgogal Feb 2020 #39
emmaverybo Feb 2020 #58
WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2020 #62
JudyM Feb 2020 #67
tishaLA Feb 2020 #8
wisteria Feb 2020 #13
wisteria Feb 2020 #11
fallout87 Feb 2020 #14
Blues Heron Feb 2020 #17
Post removed Feb 2020 #20
tonedevil Feb 2020 #15
fallout87 Feb 2020 #16
JudyM Feb 2020 #68
highplainsdem Feb 2020 #21
fallout87 Feb 2020 #22
highplainsdem Feb 2020 #28
whathehell Feb 2020 #57
fallout87 Feb 2020 #63
squirecam Feb 2020 #32
tonedevil Feb 2020 #37
squirecam Feb 2020 #46
highplainsdem Feb 2020 #38
progressoid Feb 2020 #76
fallout87 Feb 2020 #85
calguy Feb 2020 #24
highplainsdem Feb 2020 #31
stopdiggin Feb 2020 #34
oasis Feb 2020 #25
quickesst Feb 2020 #27
Indepatriot Feb 2020 #29
revmclaren Feb 2020 #35
oasis Feb 2020 #41
squirecam Feb 2020 #48
Post removed Feb 2020 #69
squirecam Feb 2020 #71
revmclaren Feb 2020 #73
brooklynite Feb 2020 #42
squirecam Feb 2020 #49
stopdiggin Feb 2020 #50
George II Feb 2020 #43
stopdiggin Feb 2020 #44
whathehell Feb 2020 #47
Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #53
Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2020 #78
Garrett78 Feb 2020 #84
Kitchari Feb 2020 #56
WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2020 #61
cwydro Feb 2020 #74
Kurt V. Feb 2020 #64
totodeinhere Feb 2020 #80
Indepatriot Feb 2020 #70
zackymilly Feb 2020 #77
W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #79
fallout87 Feb 2020 #82
W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #83
rockfordfile Feb 2020 #81
Politicub Feb 2020 #87

Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:16 PM

1. But everyone here told me Biden was just joking and it was no big deal?

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to OliverQ (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:17 PM

2. Yeah, that seems to be the consensus

 

by those intent on protecting a campaign in distress....
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to OliverQ (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:22 PM

7. And, it wasn't. She was called out fairly nicely, for lying.

 

She was a plant. She was there, not with an open mind, but representing a candidate she does support.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to wisteria (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:31 PM

19. And how do you know that and how does that justify

 

insulting her? You think that's a valid tactic for Biden to use when he's already doing poorly there?
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to OliverQ (Reply #19)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:42 PM

23. Oh please....

 

Here is her quote...

Joe Biden has been performing incredibly poorly in this race. His inability to answer a simple question from a nobody college student like me only exacerbates that reality.


This exactly what I said it would be. This was a supporter of another candidate trying to make Biden look bad. Biden was dumb for using an old insulting expression. But that doesnít mean she wasnít a plant, lied about it, and she was trying to make him look bad.

And she succeeded.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to squirecam (Reply #23)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:02 PM

36. Where in that sentence is there the remotest evidence that she was a supporter of another candidate?

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to brooklynite (Reply #36)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:05 PM

40. She was mean to Biden.

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to brooklynite (Reply #36)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:13 PM

45. Seriously?

 

Thatís not an undecided voter talking.

You could clearly figure out by watching the interaction what she was up to. Her quote following it makes it even more obvious.

If you want to trash Biden for the language used, thatís fair. I have agreed it was bad. Biden was dumb because he knew what it was and still responded poorly.

But this woman was not an undecided voter. She was a plant, who asked a gotcha question. And then lied about it.

How about we agree that using plants is wrong. There are ACTUAL undecided voters who want to discuss issues. So letís have them speak. Not play this BS from plants.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to squirecam (Reply #45)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:24 PM

51. If we could "clearly figure out by watching the interaction" then it's a good thing you let us know

 

As for me, I haven't commented at all on what he said, because I don't have to. My decision not to support Biden (or move to him if Pete fails) came out of my visit to New Hampshire this weekend. He's just not the strong and compelling person he was when I met him as VP in a 30 minute extemporaneous conversation about every subject under the sun. Delivering a campaign speech by teleprompter to a crowd of maybe 200 people (Pete had 1800 yesterday, Amy had 1100) isn't the sign of a robust campaign.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to brooklynite (Reply #51)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:28 PM

54. If you couldn't tell by watching the video

 

Then you might be inexperienced in such matters.

Some people, like politicians, have people reading skills. Many people do not. Biden read her correctly. His mistake was reacting poorly in his choice of language.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to squirecam (Reply #54)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:29 PM

55. ...and it's the "reacting poorly" part that's the problem.

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to brooklynite (Reply #55)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:32 PM

59. I have admitted as much. Several times.

 

Doesnít mean she wasnít a plant in the first place.

In fact, IMHO it makes Biden look worse, because he knew she was a plant yet couldnít handle it properly. He made it worse on himself.

But she was not a poor undecided voter. Stop with that kinda crap. She was a plant who lied about it. But she wins in the end because Biden had a old reference brain fart.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to brooklynite (Reply #51)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:55 PM

72. It's not as if he hasn't run for president before

 


One gets to become VP by a single vote - the ultimately prevailing presidential nominee.

I've spent plenty of time in a very small group with Joe Biden, and I agree that he's not quite the same person he was years ago, but then again, the person he was years ago also ran for president a couple of times. It never worked out well, and simply having been VP doesn't mean that he's going to be any better at campaigning than he has been several times before.

I'm a native Delawarean. As someone who has seen the entire arc of his career starting with the New Castle County Council, there are some things about Joe which are not going to change. You deal with the fact that unusual things come out of his mouth from time to time or you don't.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to squirecam (Reply #45)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 01:01 PM

86. A gotcha question?

 

How come you didn't do better in Iowa is a gotcha question?

If Biden wasn't prepared to answer that, he should have been. It's been a news story all week.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to wisteria (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 07:22 PM

75. Now she's a plant? LOL. n/t

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to OliverQ (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:26 PM

12. Disqualifying, unelectable, so far out of touch its embarrassing, oh but its early yet, lol

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to OliverQ (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:53 PM

26. It's not a big deal

 

I donít care how she felt.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #26)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:01 PM

33. Really? You don't care if potential voters feel insulted by the Democratic candidates?

 

Are we now following the Trump playbook?
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:18 PM

3. so she lied?

 



ahhh the fun times of primaries and the outrage ginned up over nonsense and bullshit
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Kali (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:20 PM

5. Yeah, how about that.

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Kali (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:26 PM

52. So her admitted nervous incorrect response means Biden gets a free pass?

 

It's like a defensive off-sides penalty in football? Doesn't matter what the offense does because the play will be null if it goes bad?

GET THE PITCHFORKSóSHE DIDN'T ANSWER CORRECTLY.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #52)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:34 PM

60. doesn't seem like he's exactly getting a free pass around here

 







"nervous incorrect" - sort of like his "mistaken" movie quote

suggest everybody go get some fresh air and remember that the enemy is orange, not blue
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Kali (Reply #60)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:47 PM

65. She said she was nervous and, as a result, said yes.

 

And she's not running for President.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:19 PM

4. She was a plant. And, Biden called her out, jokingly.

 

I have no sympathy for her.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to wisteria (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:20 PM

6. So it's ok for an old white dude to

 

speak to a woman like this? Just trying to keep track. Thx
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fallout87 (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:24 PM

9. Your old white guy called Warren a liar on national TV. Cry me a river.

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Skya Rhen (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:25 PM

10. He called out his political opponent

 

do you know the difference between an apple and an orange?
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fallout87 (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:31 PM

18. He didn't "call Warren out". He was the one being called out and he lied about it.

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to phleshdef (Reply #18)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 04:01 PM

66. He didn't call her a liar.

 

He denied the accusation. Period. He also has a 30+ year history of documented instances of him encouraging women to run and speaking out for those that do. But don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fallout87 (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:54 PM

30. Sure it's fine

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fallout87 (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:04 PM

39. What on earth does his race have to do with this?

 

It was the wrong thing to say no matter who said it.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to wisteria (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:32 PM

58. That's it in a nutshell. But this is fresh red meat for detractors. Who are we to argue with what

 

they want to believe?
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to wisteria (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:36 PM

62. A plant for whom/by whom?

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to wisteria (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 04:38 PM

67. She was a plant? -- it seemed like an earnest question... do you have a link to any evidence to

 

support your assertion?
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:24 PM

8. I'm sorry to learn about her dishonesty in her response to Biden

 

and it makes me curious about how truthful she's being about her reaction to him now.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to tishaLA (Reply #8)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:27 PM

13. Yes.

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:26 PM

11. Aww, to bad.

 

She came to the rally, not to support Biden, nor with an open mind. She came to insult him, and remind him of a loss. He was to kind to her in my opinion.
Frankly, I have been called a lot worse.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to wisteria (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:28 PM

14. He cracked...

 

after being asked a legitimate question from a 21 year old woman... and this guy can win in the general?

Not so sure....
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to wisteria (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:30 PM

17. Still it was a nasty putdown. Nobody wants to be called dog-faced that's just truly bizare

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to wisteria (Reply #11)


Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:29 PM

15. I contend...

 

jokes are supposed to be funny. I don't think it is a joke to call someone a liar. I don't find the humor in calling someone dog-faced. I believe pony-soldier is mocking Native American speech patterns when using English, so vaguely racist. I wish I were surprised at how quickly and vehemently his supporters are defending it.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to tonedevil (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:30 PM

16. This!

 

K&R
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to tonedevil (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 04:41 PM

68. It's disconcerting. Not at all progressive.

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:34 PM

21. LOL!!! So she admits she was lying about having been to a caucus, and Biden realized that and joked

 

about it.

I see no reason to believe anything she says. It's apparent she went there to confront him and try to create a moment that would be bad for him, and she's trying to capitalize on it and she continues to disparage him.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to highplainsdem (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:36 PM

22. When's the last time

 

you (or anyone with class, for that matter) jokingly called someone "Dog Faced"?
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fallout87 (Reply #22)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:53 PM

28. Both dog-faced and pony soldier refer to soldiers, and he wasn't really calling her a

 

soldier, either.

Btw, you can get the 82nd Airborne's recording of "Dog Faced Solider":

https://www.amazon.com/Dog-Faced-Soldier/dp/B0011XV6SK


Again, it was obviously a silly line meant as a joke, as Biden reacted to her lying.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to highplainsdem (Reply #28)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:31 PM

57. He said the same thing to a group of mostly male Fire Fighters

 

the other day, as was shown in a clip on Morning Joe today...This is getting nuts. Thanks for the link

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to highplainsdem (Reply #28)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:43 PM

63. "He reacted to her lying"

 

Please post proof that he had any reason to believe she was lying.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to highplainsdem (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:56 PM

32. All that is true

 

But Biden needs to use better terminology.

He helped create this narrative with his choice of words.

I knew she was a plant when she asked the question. Biden knew too, but reacted poorly in dealing with it.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to squirecam (Reply #32)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:02 PM

37. Who planted her...

 

you knowing she was a plant and all. I expect some proof beyond "it was obvious" or you're a lying dog-faced pony soldier.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to tonedevil (Reply #37)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:15 PM

46. Watch the video

 

Itís obvious to anyone with any political skills, or even people reading skills. Biden read it correctly, but then reacted poorly.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to squirecam (Reply #32)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:03 PM

38. I wish he would have, too. But he wasn't calling her dog-faced. He wasn't being racist, as someone

 

here bizarrely charged because the apparent inspiration for the line came from an old Western and therefore it was automatically racist. And Biden wasn't lying about the line, or misremembering it, as others have charged, because he got it from his brother, a John Wayne fan, and apparently believed his brother that it was from a John Wayne film.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to highplainsdem (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 07:29 PM

76. interestingly, DU holds it's members to a higher standard than we do our candidates.

 

Calling another member here that would get a hide and that DUer may be shown the door.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to progressoid (Reply #76)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 12:44 PM

85. Excellent point

 

K&r
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:45 PM

24. By the nature and demeaner of the way she asked that question

 

I can't but wonder if she was a plant by either Sanders or the GOP. I wouldn't put it past either of them.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to calguy (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:55 PM

31. I don't know if she was a plant, but I think she was hoping to get some attention by questioning

 

Biden so she wouldn't just be a nobody college student.

I don't believe she was questioning him in good faith.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to calguy (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:01 PM

34. that, and her immediate "follow up" with the media

 

make that fairly self evident.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:51 PM

25. Will this "Nobody college student" be 2020's "Joe the Plumber"?

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:53 PM

27. just another bag of horseshit....

 

.... which the accusers are now wearing. Joe's supporters have practically begged people to come up with something better to rebut, but time after time y'all keep coming up with stuff that's a couple of dimes short of a quarter.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 02:54 PM

29. Biden's groundbreaking voter outreach program marches on! Feel the Joementum...

 

He just can't help himself. This level of malarkey will not bring new voters to the polls.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:02 PM

35. She lied.

 

In a court case I was involved with, the judge told the jury that if a witness lies on the stand, you should consider everything else that that person says is a lie and they need to prove to YOU they are being truthful.

I follow this in life.

Biden was joking...she lied about herself...

Easy to know who to support.



ONLY!!! 2020 and beyond.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to revmclaren (Reply #35)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:05 PM

41. 100% THIS.

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to revmclaren (Reply #35)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:20 PM

48. No court told you that.

 

Can we please stop with this? It getting way out of hand. The people on both sides of this are now throwing out stuff like this, and it isnít helping.

Yes, the woman was a plant and Tried to make Biden look bad.

And she succeeded because Biden reacted poorly and used a dumb expression.

Disclaimer: Iím a lawyer. That is NOT the proper jury instruction. No court would ever say that. Not one.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to squirecam (Reply #48)


Response to Post removed (Reply #69)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:54 PM

71. Actually your response says a lot more about you then it does me.

 

No criminal defendant must ever prove that they are innocent. The state always has the burden of proof. If a defense witness lies about something.....the state still has the burden of proof.

I guarantee you that the jury instruction was similar to the one below.



1.7 CREDIBILITY OF WITNESSES

In deciding the facts in this case, you may have to decide which testimony to believe and which testimony not to believe. You may believe everything a witness says, or part of it, or none of it.

In considering the testimony of any witness, you may take into account:

(1) the witnessís opportunity and ability to see or hear or know the things testified to;

(2) the witnessís memory;

(3) the witnessís manner while testifying;

(4) the witnessís interest in the outcome of the case, if any;

(5) the witnessís bias or prejudice, if any;

(6) whether other evidence contradicted the witnessís testimony;

(7) the reasonableness of the witnessís testimony in light of all the evidence; and

(8) any other factors that bear on believability.

You must avoid bias, conscious or unconscious, based on a witnessís race, color, religious beliefs, national ancestry, sexual orientation, gender identity, gender, or economic circumstances in your determination of credibility.

The weight of the evidence as to a fact does not necessarily depend on the number of witnesses who testify about it. What is important is how believable the witnesses are, and how much weight you think their testimony deserves.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to squirecam (Reply #71)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 06:07 PM

73. Nice copy and paste from

 

the following link.

http://www3.ce9.uscourts.gov/jury-instructions/node/306

Really would have helped your 'im a lawyer' statement if you would have responded to my post in your own LAWYER words instead of the first link to pop up in a search.

Sorry...but you are now on ignore since IMHO, you fit the criteria of my first post.

Bye...



ONLY!!! 2020 and beyond.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:07 PM

42. Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that she was "a plant" from another campaign...

 

So the hell what.

The entire point of Iowa and New Hampshire is that candidates are expected to relate to voters face to face. And a good candidate (especially one with 30+ years of campaigning) should know how to deal with people, even belligerent ones with an agenda. Bill Clinton was a master at diffusing confrontations with hecklers and difficult questioners and coming out on top. No excuse for Biden in this case.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to brooklynite (Reply #42)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:21 PM

49. He reacted poorly.

 

Focus on that.

But the poor little undecided voter stuff........BS.

You know it and I know it.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to brooklynite (Reply #42)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:22 PM

50. except that he did come out on top

 

went on to (respectfully) answer the obviously planted question, to the satisfaction of the audience. In complete control throughout. To characterize that Biden "lost" this round, or "didn't come out on top" .. is to assert an outcome that just plainly didn't occur.

Biden conjured up a weird phrase that had everyone guessing .. but that's the sum total of what transpired here.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:07 PM

43. I really don't think anyone cares anymore, this has been a ridiculously blown out of proportion....

 

...."incident".

So, if she's accusing him of being insulting to her, WHY DID SHE LIE TO HIM, as she's now admitted????? She said flat out that she'd been to a caucus before, and now admits she hasn't. Isn't lying to one's face insulting in her world? It sure is in the real world.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:08 PM

44. Biden used an offbeat phrase

 

(that sent everyone rushing off to google)

But CLEARLY without malice or intent to demean. (watch the damned clip!)

The outrage and "offense" are largely manufactured .. by the "usual suspects" .. to borrow another line that is fading from the collective.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:16 PM

47. Misleading:. She does NOT say she felt 'insulted' by the 'dog faced pony soldier'

 

remark. She does not, in fact, use the word "insulted" at all. Her complaint is limited to the fact of being asked if she'd been to a caucus, which she called "irrelevant".
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:27 PM

53. Everyone above this post that answered with a version of "she deserved it"

 

should be fucking embarrassed. It makes me sad to read that on a liberal discussion board. Jesus Christ.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #53)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 07:41 PM

78. I like how it started out "no, no he would never say that. It was a joke! John Wayne!"

 

Now itís ďha ha she deserved itĒ
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #53)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 11:51 PM

84. Some of us have been saying for years that Biden is a terrible candidate, but...

 

...many people are way too invested in a narrative about his invincibility. So much so that those within the DU bubble can't even acknowledge that his campaign is in trouble and are willing to defend his insulting a questioner.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:30 PM

56. From the WaPo article:

 

"The phrase was an allusion to a line in a John Wayne movie that Biden had used before. But Moore said she was flummoxed at his reaction to what she thought was a legitimate question."


He was apparently joking, but Joe needs to get some current allusions that the audience will comprehend -- this one landed with a thud and on top of that it gives the appearance of him bullying a young female.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:35 PM

61. Man, women just can't take a joke these days.

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #61)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 07:20 PM

74. I know, right?

 

Silly women. How could she not see that being called ďdog-facedĒ was just an archaic joke?

(Sarcasm, in case anyone needs it)
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:45 PM

64. the biden train is losing steam.

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Kurt V. (Reply #64)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 07:48 PM

80. It's losing steam and it will derail tomorrow. n/t

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:50 PM

70. Judging from the excuses being made on this thread. Biden has the contortionist vote locked down..

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Indepatriot (Reply #70)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 07:38 PM

77. lol nt

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 07:42 PM

79. Malarkey was detected! Analyzing results...

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #79)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 10:02 PM

82. Biden was better off

 

when using words like "malarkey" versus calling 21 year old women "Dog faced" liars.

Oh wait... he was joking! Nothing to see here folks. Move along.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fallout87 (Reply #82)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 10:48 PM

83. He should have told her to GET OUTTA HERE JACK for lying like she did!

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2020, 09:10 PM

81. She lied and was a plant

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 01:16 PM

87. Biden's remark was incongruent with his character.

 

Opposition campaigns are going to send hecklers. Itís a cheap and trashy technique but they do it in order to rattle their components.

The optics of the exchange between Biden and the plant are not favorable for the Biden campaign. I get that he used some kind of old-timey retort and I could care less. But it gave his opposition fodder for their deceptive campaigns. I hope he learns from it and does better.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread