
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 12:34 PM
Jirel (1,825 posts)
Analysis of why picking a moderate candidate is anything but safe.
The prevailing argument about “electability” is all wrong. Dems win when they fire up their base, with people like Obama (and this year, Liz or Bernie). They lose when they try to aim for the meek middle, believing they can pick up swing voters, while deprecating the issues that excite people and bring them to the polls (Kerry, Gore, Hillary).
As she sees it, it isn’t quite right to refer to a Democratic or Republican “base.” Rather, there are Democratic and Republican coalitions, the first made of people of color, college-educated whites and people in metropolitan areas; the second, mostly noncollege whites, with a smattering of religious- minded voters, financiers and people in business, largely in rural and exurban counties. “In the polarized era, the outcome isn’t really about the candidates. What matters is what percentage of the electorate is Republican and Republican leaners, and what percentage is Democratic and Democratic leaners, and how they get activated,” she said. ... [S]he maintains that actual swing voters are a small percentage of the result, even in counties where the vote swing is as large as Wasserman describes. Don’t talk to people in the bleachers of rallies; check the voter file, she says. “It would be one thing if that county had 100,000 people in it who voted in 2012, and then it was the same 100,000 who voted in 2016, but that is not what is happening,” she says. “The pool of who shows up changes.” ... But still, the results bore out her theory: For Democrats to win, they need to fire up Democratic-minded voters. The Blue Dogs who tried to narrow the difference between themselves and Trump did worse, overall, than the Stacey Abramses and Beto O’Rourkes, whose progressive ideas and inspirational campaigns drove turnout in their own parties and brought them to the cusp of victory. ... “I am arguing radical shit, OK?” Bitecofer told me over a series of phone calls over the past several weeks in her Virginia office. “What I am saying is that almost all of this shit is set in stone for three years, that almost none of the shit that people are hanging onto, in terms of daily articles, or polls, or the economy or incumbency or ideology is really worth that much.” https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/02/06/rachel-bitecofer-profile-election-forecasting-new-theory-108944
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Jirel | Feb 2020 | OP |
Faux pas | Feb 2020 | #1 | |
empedocles | Feb 2020 | #2 | |
Fiendish Thingy | Feb 2020 | #8 | |
empedocles | Feb 2020 | #11 | |
Locrian | Feb 2020 | #3 | |
jayschool2013 | Feb 2020 | #4 | |
ibegurpard | Feb 2020 | #6 | |
jayschool2013 | Feb 2020 | #9 | |
highplainsdem | Feb 2020 | #5 | |
Fiendish Thingy | Feb 2020 | #7 | |
kydemo | Feb 2020 | #10 | |
Garrett78 | Feb 2020 | #12 |
Response to Jirel (Original post)
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 12:38 PM
Faux pas (13,938 posts)
1. Kickin'
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Response to Jirel (Original post)
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 12:44 PM
empedocles (15,751 posts)
2. What was the lesson of 2018? The election of Speaker Pelosi?
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Response to empedocles (Reply #2)
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 01:06 PM
Fiendish Thingy (12,764 posts)
8. The lesson was: don't waste your time trying to flip Trump voters
Focus on maximizing turnout of existing anti-Trump voters.
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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #8)
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 01:16 PM
empedocles (15,751 posts)
11. The key was 43 red seats flipped. Those new Dems are carefully very moderate.
There was no 'blue wave' of blue enthusiasts in that winning equation.
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Response to Jirel (Original post)
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 12:44 PM
Locrian (4,508 posts)
3. kick - finally someone gets that this isn't the 2008 / 2012 election n/t
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Response to Jirel (Original post)
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 12:45 PM
jayschool2013 (2,202 posts)
4. Thanks for the read
But wasn't Obama also a "centrist" politically? Of course, he excited the base and attracted new voters, but it wasn't primarily about his policies, it was about his ability to fire people up. You could describe Bill Clinton in the same way.
So I hope no one discounts our "centrists" because Hillary, Kerry and Gore were cheated out of the presidency. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to jayschool2013 (Reply #4)
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 01:02 PM
ibegurpard (16,685 posts)
6. yes he was
but he didn't campaign that way. He campaigned as an agent of change.
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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #6)
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 01:07 PM
jayschool2013 (2,202 posts)
9. +1
Thanks.
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Response to Jirel (Original post)
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 12:47 PM
highplainsdem (44,527 posts)
5. An academic with a very high opinion of herself, who's making an argument for a strategy that would
guarantee another electoral college loss even with a popular vote win.
"I am arguing radical shit..." No, she's arguing nonsense. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to highplainsdem (Reply #5)
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 01:04 PM
Fiendish Thingy (12,764 posts)
7. Bitecofer was the most accurate predictor of the 2018 Blue Wave
Predicting the specific victories of all but one of the 41 seats that Dems won. Her model is a paradigm shift from political predictions as usual, and turns conventional wisdom on its head.
Dems ignore her theory at their own peril. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Jirel (Original post)
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 01:16 PM
kydemo (34 posts)
10. Much to be sifted here
1. African Americans are not typically progressive and are not part of the radical. base the author is saying they are.
2. Barack Obama was not a progressive. 3. No matter how exciting and how close Beto, Stacey and Andrew Gillum came to winning,, the fact is they all lost and the. "mushy middle" democrats won in 2018. 4. I would also argue that Beto, Stacey and Andrew. were not nearly out there progressives. like Bernie and Warren. 5 Bernie has undeniable excitement from a minority of democrats. He could possibly win against Trump because of democrats like me who do hot line him but will vote for him against. Trump. But the thing that. NEEDS. TO. BE REMEMBERED. IS THAT HE WILL MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR. ALL DOWN TICKET. RACES TO WIN FOR THE FORSEEABLE FITURE The progressive revolution will. be over. Middle of the road voters will not be able to vote for candidates who are tied. to Fidel Castro.and the former Soviet Union. That has nothing to do with progressivism but Bernie. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Jirel (Original post)
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 01:34 PM
Garrett78 (10,721 posts)
12. Everyone should read the whole piece. Bitecofer does a good job...
...of critiquing the conventional wisdom, including the argument put forth in the article by Wasserman.
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