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Tue Feb 4, 2020, 12:35 PM

 

Seth Abramson with a very astute observation on the candidates' responses from last night




One observation I want to make is that the two women behaved in a presidential fashion after the chaos in Iowa. Both gave gracious speeches and flew to New Hampshire. Meanwhile, Biden went to his lawyers, Pete declared "victory," and Bernie released confusing partial caucus data.





PS/ I like Joe, I like Pete, and I like Bernie. I also think it's way past time for a woman to be in the White House. And I think how the candidates responded to the chaos yesterday is telling. It'd be difficult for anyone to argue that Warren and Klobuchar didn't handle it best.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Elizabeth Warren

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Reply Seth Abramson with a very astute observation on the candidates' responses from last night (Original post)
Roland99 Feb 4 OP
Rider3 Feb 4 #1
KPN Feb 4 #4
Loki Liesmith Feb 4 #7
Roland99 Feb 4 #9
pnwmom Feb 4 #13
robbob Feb 4 #14
AllyCat Feb 4 #16
demmiblue Feb 4 #23
squirecam Feb 4 #12
berksdem Feb 4 #21
berksdem Feb 4 #24
KPN Feb 4 #2
2naSalit Feb 4 #3
cilla4progress Feb 4 #5
BlueMTexpat Feb 4 #10
dalton99a Feb 4 #6
IndyOp Feb 4 #17
Zolorp Feb 4 #8
apcalc Feb 4 #11
joost5 Feb 4 #22
IndyOp Feb 4 #15
ancianita Feb 4 #18
alwaysinasnit Feb 4 #19
Kurt V. Feb 4 #20

Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Tue Feb 4, 2020, 12:37 PM

1. Men have had their chances...

 

for nearly all of existence. It's time for the women to take over and clean up the mess.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Response to Rider3 (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 4, 2020, 12:44 PM

4. As a 69 year oild male married to the same wonderful woman for 41 years, I can't argue with you

 

one bit. Reading Abramson's tweet caused me to chuckle as I was reminded of me and my wife. She's certainly the better half by a mile when it comes to interpersonal and things that go awry and are not in her control. She never tries ti take charge, she just does by example.
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Response to Rider3 (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 4, 2020, 12:51 PM

7. This is silly sexist wishcasting

 

To valorize women as some kind of saintly angels not captured by the same venal tendencies as men is to deprive them of moral agency and is the kind of anti-woman narrative one expects to see in a Victorian dimestore novella.
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Michael Bloomberg

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Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 4, 2020, 12:59 PM

9. Seth did nothing of the sort. He made an observation and wrote of it

 

Itís a factual observation
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Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 4, 2020, 01:39 PM

13. Whoa. Nice job twisting and distorting what he said.

 

He's right. The two women did handle it better.
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Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 4, 2020, 02:20 PM

14. Um...the reply wasn't directed at the OP

 

The ďsexist wishcastingĒ (thatís a new phrase for me!) I believe is directed at the notion that a woman, simply by virtue of being a woman, will come in and clean up the mess. Two words in response to that: Margaret Thatcher. Arguably Great Britons twin to Ronald Reagan.

That being said, I love Elizabeth Warren and canít argue with the OPís contention that the woman candidates handled the situation best.
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Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 4, 2020, 02:32 PM

16. Rider3 makes a good point. Men have all the chances

 

And women have had none. POC have had only 1 chance. Itís well past time. We donít know if women will clean up the mess because they have never had a chance.
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Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 4, 2020, 03:51 PM

23. Lol!

 

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Response to Rider3 (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 4, 2020, 01:36 PM

12. Eliminate the men

 

Put Amy vs Warren in the debates.

Let the best woman win.
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Amy Klobuchar

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Response to Rider3 (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 4, 2020, 03:13 PM

21. as middle aged white male

 

I could not agree more! Both were very "presidential" IMO. I like Pete but think he was a bit overboard in his speech. Both Warren and Amy were very graceful.
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Response to berksdem (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 4, 2020, 05:29 PM

24. looks like this did not age well :_)

 

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Tue Feb 4, 2020, 12:41 PM

2. Why am I not surprised? This really is rich ...

 

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Tue Feb 4, 2020, 12:42 PM

3. K&R

 

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Tue Feb 4, 2020, 12:49 PM

5. Warren/

 

Klobuchar?
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Response to cilla4progress (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 4, 2020, 01:03 PM

10. I would be very OK with that ticket!

 

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Tue Feb 4, 2020, 12:50 PM

6. It was uncharacteristic for the McKinsey number cruncher to act in the absence of data

 




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Response to dalton99a (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 4, 2020, 02:34 PM

17. He has data - it is posted in an Excel sheet on his campaign website.

 

The dataset is tiny (relative to the massive datasets heís dealt with), the analysis is simple and the results are clear. If Seth canít be bothered to look at the data, then that is his problem. We collect data to ascertain reality - independent of expectation and hopes and biased social filters.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Tue Feb 4, 2020, 12:52 PM

8. Good observation

 

Might be changing things to Amy soon.
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Response to Zolorp (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 4, 2020, 01:19 PM

11. I'm donating more to Amy.

 

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Response to apcalc (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 4, 2020, 03:38 PM

22. I did too :)

 

I give a little bit after every event or debate to show support.
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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Tue Feb 4, 2020, 02:31 PM

15. I strongly disagree. Let's all attack Dems for being timid. Wait!

 

Letís attack a Dem who speaks out when they are confident of the results. Pete is a meticulous data collector, the data set is tiny, the analysis simple, and the results clear.

The Buttigieg Campaign posted all of their numbers in an Excel spreadsheet on the Buttigieg website. If Seth Abramson canít be bothered to check the numbers, then that is a poor reflection on him. Pete isnít stating an opinion - he has the data.

Pete would not claim he was victorious unless he was - if it turned out that he was wrong he would be the laughingstock of the nation.

One of Peteís major at Oxford was economics for crissakes. Heís run his data through a bunch of different models and had to be certain he had been victorious before he claimed it so.

Also - if Senators Warren or Klobuchar had the numbers and were certain they had won I wouldíve wanted them to shout it from the rooftops. Women need to assertively take the field and take up just as much space as males who feel entitled.

Dems have to make power plays to beat Repubs. Peteís power play here is based on observing reality. In November - wouldnít you like an operation like Peteís to be way the fuck ahead of the game in terms of protecting our votes? He just did that.

P.S. LOVE SENATOR WARREN AND HAVE FOR DECADES. WOULD BE THRILLED TO WORK AND VOTE FOR HER IN NOVEMBER! Iím ticked at Abramson.


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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Tue Feb 4, 2020, 02:43 PM

18. Thanks. Good summary.

 

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Tue Feb 4, 2020, 02:54 PM

19. George Carlin might have agreed and why he thought God had to be a man.

 

Starting at around minute 8:15

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Tue Feb 4, 2020, 02:56 PM

20. K&R

 

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