If you could choose only between Bloomberg and Sanders to be our nominee,

[highplainsdem]

which one would you choose?

147 votes, 4 passes | Time left: Unlimited
	Bloomberg
	95 (65%)
	Sanders
	52 (35%)
	4 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[Drunken Irishman]

1. Neither but if the goal is to win, I'm going with Bloomberg.

I do not trust that Bernie can win.

[highplainsdem]

3. I'm not asking that you like either. Only which one you think would be best as our nominee against

Trump.

I hope we won't come down to that choice. I want Biden to be our nominee and our president.

But I'd choose Bloomberg over Sanders without a second's hesitation.

[exboyfil]

26. Yes Sanders is my last pick

And I caucused for him last time. Any is better than the alternative.

[Gothmog]

2. Bloomberg would beat trump and help down ballot candidates

sanders would lost to trump and kill down ballot candidates. I do not want to see a Speaker Kevin McCarthy

[highplainsdem]

98. I agree.

[MH1]

4. Bloomberg would have a shot at winning. Bernie wouldn't. So, no contest.

The #1 policy goal is to STOP PUTTING TRUMP JUDGES ON THE BENCH.

[Dietz]

5. I hope it won't come to that!

........

[highplainsdem]

6. Wow. 31 votes in the first 10 minutes, and 28 of them for Bloomberg.

[Ghost Dog]

58. Hmmm. DU speaks.

Ojo.

[Ron Green]

7. This is an interesting result because 4 years ago, right here on DU,

Bernie Sanders bested Hillary Clinton in a poll by about 90% to 10%.

Go figure.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

66. I don't hold that against Bloomberg... but still think Bernie will defeat him when Biden drops out!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[obamanut2012]

154. Biden is not dropping out

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

155. Yup, Joe WILL drop out... just watch and see!! It's history repeating itself, as in 1988 & 2008!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[wyldwolf]

13. It's actually embarrassing for Sanders supporters on DU compared to 2016

Maybe they're all watching Superbowl coverage?

[highplainsdem]

16. I have the TV on, too. The game hasn't started yet. (Go, Chiefs!)

[wyldwolf]

18. Yeah! Go CHEFS! Great googly moogly.

[cwydro]

28. Chefs?

[wyldwolf]

30. Yeah, Chefs

[Tom Rinaldo]

20. Many people on both sides here were purged during and after that primary season

And many Bernie supporters also left for the lure of a Bernie friendly website that devolved into a cesspool. Some of the solid progressives who loved Bernie but who then rallied behind Hillary ended up being made unwelcome on the other site but they were no longer welcome to participate here either..

DU has been a supportive place in general for Democrats who admire Hillary, over the last two to three years, and not so much for those who admire Bernie. People tend not to stick around places where they don't feel valued.

[Ron Green]

21. Yeah, I keep hanging around (mostly reading, not posting) hoping that DU

will be other than an echo chamber - my hopes are not generally borne out.

[wyldwolf]

24. "Bernie friendly website that devolved into a cesspool."

You mean after they tried to make DU a cesspool?

[Cha]

126. Yes

[highplainsdem]

25. A number of HRC supporters took breaks from DU during the last primary, because of the reactions

they'd get to posts favoring Hillary.

I decided not to let myself be driven out this time.

[Skittles]

60. oh please

LOTS of us were kicked out of the Hillary room

[Ghost Dog]

61. Best be thick-skinned to hang out and contribute here.

HRC is not at all admirable IMHO.

(I'm an EU resident Brit, so I don't vote in the US. But I do follow, thanks sincerely).

[dualboy24]

87. DU is an echo chamber

And it is rather sad, and depressing and off putting when reading, but I find I come to places like this to get an idea of what they are saying and believing.

Then I look at the actual trends, and actual proof, and I think to myself a lot of people on DU are going to get a rude awaking when a real progressive candidate wins the nomination. Like Sanders, Warren, or Yang.

I think the major focus of the next administration is going to have to be focusing on combating climate change, and I don't think a right wing/centrist democrat will make serious effort.

[Cha]

124. NO! nice Swipe at DU Members..

dualboy ..

We think for ourselves.

[nolawarlock]

129. Have you failed to notice ...

… that Warren has the highest number of supporters here at 20% on the homepage of the site? With Biden at 16% and Bernie at 10%, I'm not sure Warren's win would be a rude awakening.

[Codeine]

135. DU would be head over heels

if Warren or Yang were the nominee. Don’t be absurd.

[TheRealNorth]

145. I hear ya

All the Bernie bashing (mostly by Biden supporters) has really turned me off to supporting a more moderate candidate because I fear that if they treat Bernie supports this bad now, they are really gonna throw the left under the bus in October.

[Cha]

161. NewsFlash: This is the primaries.. we don't

all want BS for the nom.

[Celerity]

159. go over to that Bernie Bro/Broette JPR site and THEN talk to me about echo chambers

DU is so not monolithic. My issue with Bernie is that he will get us crushed in general if he slips and slides into the nomination. We will get killed in the House and Senate races as well. I actually like his policies, but he is not running where I live atm, ie. Sweden. He is running in reactionary, gerrymandered, hate-radio-filled, violent, white-nationalist reinvigorated, hyper-capitalistic, low info voterland, ie. the US, where you have tens of millions of delusional proles who think they are just one break away from being multi-millionaires, so thus vote to keep a millionaire-friendly system in place as they are sure they too will soon be enjoying its fruits. You also have a shit tonne of 'I got mine, so fuck you!' types and those fuckers vote in droves. Bernie cannot win, as he will have a billion or 2 USD of COMMMMMMMMIE!!!!!!!! red-baiting adverts rain down on his and ALL our Congressional candidates' heads from every conceivable angle and level. Plus the MSM will join in the blood-letting. Hard pass on the Bern, as the nation cannot take 4 more years of Trump with the added hell bonus of Rethug full control of Congress again.

[Laelth]

165. +1 Preach it. n/t

-Laelth

[LanternWaste]

95. Leaving of one's own volition is not a purge.

However, should you have evidence or data supporting the melodramatic and self-serving allegation of Sanders-leaning purges, I'd love to see it.

[Tom Rinaldo]

97. Duh. Did I say it was?

I'm not sure what kind of "straw man" type post you are supposedly rebutting here, but I'll repeat what I wrote again.

In the post you responded to I made conscious use of the word "And". As in: some people "left of their own volition" AND "Many people on both sides here were purged."

I have seen both Clinton and Sanders supporters complain about "good DU members" having been "alerted on" repeatedly during the primary wars until they lost their posting privileges here.

[SidDithers]

109. Many cosplay progressives chose not to accept the new TOS...

which basically said "No bashing Democrats".

That's not a purge. That's a welcome exodus.

Sid

[nolawarlock]

130. Yeah, I remember said cesspool ...

… and just how many tried to pair up Trump's non-interventionist policies with Bernie's as a means of saying he'd be better than Hillary, something that Sarandon herself said, just in case someone tries to argue that they're all Russian bots. Then again, it wouldn't shock me if some Berners were to argue that Sarandon herself is a Russian bot if it means denying just how divisive Bernie's post-Primary schtick was.

I will never forget what I saw on that site and, while I won't stay home if Bernie's the nom, it won't be because of that site and it will take every fiber of my being to drag my ass out of the house to vote for him, especially since I know that the same won't be true of so many of his supporters should he not get the nomination, despite how that will continue to effect so many marginalized people. Yeah, he's even got some marginalized folks thinking that ending class disparity will fix racism, homophobia and other ills. Clearly they never saw that story about the Swiss retail store trying to deny Oprah a handbag. Her wealth didn't change the perception of her skin color and the Bern isn't going to end racism with a free lunch.

[Quixote1818]

23. Most of those people have left.

I was the one who posted that poll the other day. You don't see hardly anyone who voted in it around anymore.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

29. Things change. I supported Sanders in 2016

and now I regret it. I was excited by his ideas and didn't see that he's a rigid ideologue who cultivates a my-way-or-the-highway approach to campaigning that verges on demagoguery. It was the 2016 convention that first turned me off - the refusal of his supporters to accept the results of the convention suggested the beginnings of what I'm seeing now: a personality cult. Sanders employs and endorses divisive people who spend more time trashing Democrats than working against Trump, and that's a recipe for disaster. All I can say in his favor is that he'd be better than Trump, which is a pretty low bar. If he's nominated we will lose; if he's not nominated his more fanatical followers will do what they did in 2016: vote for some Green Party nutbag or stay home. If by some fluke of fate he does become president he won't have the support of the Democrats in Congress whom he's been kicking in the nuts for the last four years and he won't get a damn thing done. If he does get the nomination I'll vote for him, but not happily.

[Mike 03]

34. This pretty well sums up my experience too.

Although I still had positive feelings for Bernie until fairly recently. I'm just noticing disturbing red flags I somehow didn't see prior to this primary season. You said it exactly and with more eloquence than I can muster, as I really don't even like talking about it.

Nevertheless, if he gets the nomination, I'm rolling up my sleeves and going All In.

[Vivienne235729]

83. Everything you said speaks for me too. I started out actually supporting Bernie.

But after Hillary got the nomination, I saw how long it took him to pivot. It turned me off completely. I hope to god he's not our candidate. But unlike his fan base, I WILL hold my nose and vote for him should he be our nominee. But honestly, I don't think he has a chance against Biden or Bloomberg.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

86. I hope you're right.

I'd vote for him over Trump, of course, but it's awfully hard for me to rationalize to myself some of the behavior he seems to condone from his campaign staff and supporters. If asked why I would vote for him the only justification I could offer is "Because he's not Trump." I want better reasons than that.

[Vivienne235729]

140. No offense meant by this, but between the 3 old white men, Bernie seems to

Appeal to the nevertrumpers,millennials, and base only. He has an African American problem and I don't think he is making much headway w ANY people of color, actually. He's too polarizing within the party much less outside of it. I hope to god he doesn't get the nomination bc I think he will lose badly. I think he's the candidate w the worst chance of defeating trump of the 3 old white men running.

[Jack_Warriner]

136. I hate generalizations about Bernie supporters.

I supported him in the 2016 primaries, partly because I felt Sec. Clinton's negatives were too high, and she would lose. But when she won the nomination, I supported her. Unfortunately it turns out my earlier predictions were correct. However I still believe that Bernie would have beaten Trump in that election.

This time I have not committed to Bernie, there being so many other possible choices, and I think his moment has passed. However, having been lurking here quite a bit recently, I am getting tired of all the Bernie-bashing going on here. It's as if I'm being pushed back in his corner which is not really where I want to be this time.

We want Bernie supporters to support the eventual nominee, and all this vicious piling onto Bernie is counter-productive to having a united party in the general election.

[Vivienne235729]

146. These are individual opinions. I would hope Bernie supporters are smart enough to

Vote blue no matter who. IF they don't, then they deserve every bit the piling on and have zero business complaining about anything. At this point, I would walk 10 miles in freezing rain to vote for a turnip if that means we get rid of the malignant orange babboon.

I'm sorry you feel like you're being pushed into defending him. But that's not my intention or anyone else's. I was just giving my own personal anectdote on the primaries of 2016.

[drmeow]

100. Ditto

Which is sad because Sanders comes closer to any other candidate to my personal ideology.

[Kentonio]

93. Most Bernie supporters were driven away by the horrible behavior of some after the '06 primaries

Being freely insulted and attacked every fucking day for months was strangely not that big an appeal to people.

[SidDithers]

111. Read your own posting history...nt

Sid

[Kentonio]

115. I'm quite aware of my own posting history thanks

I’ve always been more than happy to have conversations with people of different viewpoints, without feeling the need to attack them and alert stalk them off the forum.

[LongtimeAZDem]

116. Really? I would call this an attack:

"People need to pull their heads out of their asses and stop this now."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287467322

[Codeine]

137. The worst sort of revisionism.

We were here and we remember how it went down. Yours is a deliberate misrepresentation.

[Kentonio]

148. Nope.

I was here and saw exactly what happened. After the candidate was finally selected Bernie supporters were treated like absolute shit here. 20 threads a day gloating and telling us how wrong we were about everything, while any response just led to instant alert stalking and bans for any tiny infraction while others were free to insult and smear at will. Of course most supporters left, it was absolutely toxic.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

156. Yup, cant say I blame 'em for leavin; came close myself, which Im sure wouldve made many here happy

Just glad there's still a few Bernie supporters that hung in with me to defend his great honor against the non-stop bashing!! Not that I mind so much, since it's backfiring bigtime and has resulted in Bernie's surging poll numbers!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[msongs]

8. I chose the one thats fit to be in charge of an organization of any consequence nt

[sheshe2]

9. Bloomberg.

He is already doing all he can to get down ticket Democrats in office. He supports Democrats, then I would support him.

[Turin_C3PO]

10. Whoever is ahead

in head to head polls against Trump. That’s my only criteria at this point.

[Tiggeroshii]

11. .

[Sloumeau]

14. Bloomberg over Sanders, but that is an awful choice.

I don't want Mr. Billionaire Stop and Frisk, but I don't want Trump, so I'd go with Bloomberg.

[TwilightZone]

15. We must defeat Trump and make gains down-ticket wherever possible.

I think Bloomberg would have a better shot at that than Sanders.

[Mike 03]

17. Brutal to look at this poll.

I supported Sanders in the 2016 primaries, strongly. In this poll I voted Bloomberg, because losing is not an option.

I live in Arizona. Bloomberg would also likely help Mark Kelly to defeat McSally. I have doubts that Bernie could or would do much for him.

Still, it's hard not to be a bit sad that it's come to this.

[Sloumeau]

77. I live in Arizona too. McSally used to be my U.S. Rep. Glad she is no longer that, but got...

to get her out of the Senate. Go Mark Kelly!

[Quixote1818]

19. Sanders but if there was some doubt about Sanders beating Trump and Bloomberg beating him

I would move to Bloomberg.

[rzemanfl]

22. Post removed.

Who says I can't used that subject line?

[highplainsdem]

27. LOL That subject line worried me so much I checked your profile to see if you'd had a post hidden.

[rzemanfl]

45. It's just a placeholder until someone is

gets a real one.

[rainy]

31. This used to be Democratic "Underground" now it's Democratic Central. Should change name and start

a progressive democratic underground forum What happened?

[highplainsdem]

33. It's still a progressive Democratic forum. The far left doesn't, or shouldn't, have a monopoly on

the label "progressive."

And DU was "underground" in response to a Republican administration.

[rainy]

36. What is far left today? Roosevelt? He was mainstream once upon a time until money bought our

government and took our voice away.

[highplainsdem]

39. Sanders isn't FDR.

[denem]

96. FDR and Marxist-Leninsts were opponents

[OneMoreCupOfCoffee]

90. FDR was not a populist-socialist.

[MineralMan]

169. FDR Is a Mythical Legend

Our national Paul Bunyan. Large than life. More real than reality. A legend after his own time.

The FDR people worship is not the FDR nobody really remembers anymore.

[RandySF]

48. Three years of Trump does a lot to focus the mind.

[rainy]

32. There's not a millennial in this country that will vote for Bloomberg. Way to quash the young and

energized voter.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

35. So they'll default to Trump?

[rainy]

37. give them their candidate and they will show up in droves and out vote Trump voters in

huge numbers.

[highplainsdem]

41. Explain to them how unlikely it is they'll have their student debt (no matter how large it

is or how able they are to pay it off) forgiven, and see how fast their enthusiasm for their candidate vanishes.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

43. "Give them their candidate"? Please.

"Their candidate" should be whoever is most likely to beat Trump, because another four years of Trump means not only will they not get their free college and free health care, they (and we) will be lucky to have a functioning country. Is anybody stupid enough to refuse to vote at all unless the nominee makes them all tingly inside?

[Demsrule86]

51. Their candidate will drive away other voters who we need...so no.

[Squinch]

53. How about we give them the candidate who wins the primary?

What is this "give them their candidate" BS?

No one gets "given" their candidate.

You work for your candidate. If he or she wins, great. If not, you vote for the one who does.

Enough of this entitled moronic nonsense.

[rainy]

56. I mean don't let the party cheat

and allow Bloomberg to buy his way in. He should have to play by the rules the rest of the candidates have played by.

[Squinch]

57. Oh, FFS.

[Codeine]

139. Allowing them to hold the party,

and by extension the nation, hostage to their cult of personality seems counterproductive.

[Hoyt]

40. Kind of sad, especially after 3 years of trump crud.

[wyldwolf]

38. single most unreliable voting block in the electorate.

[highplainsdem]

42. Exactly.

[showblue22]

46. I'm 33

[Squinch]

52. If they are not going to vote for the primary winner if it isn't their pet person, then

they really aren't very energized, are they?

[Algernon Moncrieff]

65. Millennials are to fired up about Biden either, but I think they'd prefer him over Trump

Bloomberg is moderate and has no social agenda that offends leftys - except his head-scratching opposition to legal weed.

[xmas74]

132. Bullshit.

I volunteer with college Dems and I've worked with millenials on campaigns in 2018. Most will vote for who they believe is the lesser of two evils.

Just last week at a voter registration booth several young voters stated that they will vote for anyone against Trump.

[showblue22]

44. Bloomberg

I don't like how some progressive bully and posture to get what they want. It will destroy our party.

[trueblue2007]

47. I'm going with Bloomberg. LIKE SOMEONE ELSE IN THIS THREAD SAID .... BS is my last pick.

i realllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllly love JOE.




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[Sloumeau]

78. +1

[sarisataka]

49. I refuse to accept

We cannot choose an actual Democrat to represent our party

[highplainsdem]

55. I hope it won't come down to this, either. But many leftwing Dems think Sanders will be the

nominee representing their section of the party, as candidates drop out of the race. And the media emphasized Bloomberg's financial advantage, and he's climbing in the polls, and being considered more seriously by DUers.

So I wanted to see what the response would be if these were the only choices.

I thought there was a chance Bloomberg would come out ahead, but wasn't sure he would, and didn't expect it to be by this margin.

FWIW, I'd rather see the primary race come down to Biden vs Warren.

I've seen some professional polling done already of that match-up, and Biden wins.

You'd see a different response here on DU, since Warren is leading here.

As for Amy Klobuchar...I really like her, think she has a great future, but don't think this is her year, her race to win.

She'd be great as VP, though, for any Democratic candidate.

[Squinch]

50. We have one job this election. Remove Filthy Donny. Bloomberg can do that.

I don't think BS can.

[myohmy2]

54. wow...

...I don't think many realize where our country is at and the shape it's in...

...do you think the American people will choose another billionaire when they can have a strong Progressive bringing them the systemic change and polices they've been demanding for decades?

...you know it and I know it, President Sanders will be working for us...why?

...because we are all in this together...

...be happy, MFA is on it's way...

[highplainsdem]

59. IMO the enthusiasm of the people who do support Sanders makes them underestimate the skepticism

of the people who DON'T support him. People who might be fine with him in the Senate (as I am) but DON'T want him to be our nominee, because they think he'll lose. And in some cases they don't want him to be our president, even if somehow he wins, because they don't think he can govern successfully.

That skepticism exists. And he isn't likely to convert those people, even if they're willing to vote for him if they have no choice, if he becomes the nominee.

They don't believe Sanders can deliver on his promises. They don't even agree with all his promises.

It's possible to be progressive, to move the country forward, without being as far left as Bernie Sanders.

Polling has shown that most Dems prefer a candidate who can beat Trump to one who agrees with them on the issues.

A lot of polling shows they'd prefer incremental change that's achievable to trying for huge changes that probably aren't achievable.

Sanders has admitted at times that what he wants can't be done without a real revolution.

His die-hard supporters believe that revolution is possible.

Other Dems don't.

Yes, we're all in this together.

And I hope you'll keep that in mind, because the approach you want, that Sanders wants, is NO MORE VALID than the approach other Democrats want.

[spooky3]

69. well said. nt

[Zolorp]

67. The American people will NEVER choose Sanders

There will be endless ads about his time in the Socialist Workers Party of America, a Communist organization. And by Communist, I mean literally Communist. He supported a Communist who backed Iran during the Iran Hostage Crisis and backed the Soviet Union throughout the Cold War.

That will destroy any campaign by Sanders in a general election.

[myohmy2]

72. no matter...

...who our nominee may be, trump and his pukes will be running horrible ads, real or imagined, against any of them...

...the trick is not to be behind the curve endlessly responding, but to slap pukes with our own strong horrible narratives...

...and there's no better candidate out there to create those puke-slapping narratives than Bernie...

...the American people will listen to Bernie because Bernie's honest, tells the truth and offers the American people a reality they want...they know Bernie's one of us and that we're all in this together...

...I truly believe Bernie can handle whatever the pukes throw at him and hit back twice as hard...

...Bernie can do it...

[Zolorp]

73. Yes, but the communist ads about Sanders will be TRUE

You cannot fight against it when it is the truth.

[TheRealNorth]

138. Sanders isn't a Communist

He's a Socialist.

[awesomerwb1]

104. This is anecdotal

But I'm pretty sure a lot of us will experience this shortly.

Watched the superbowl at a friend's house. He invited a lot of people and quite a few I had never met showed up.

When the trump ad came on the consensus of this room with around 15 was they loved it. The topic quickly turned into communism, socialism. Trust me, that would be a HUGE attack angle on Sanders. HUGE.
If you thought Hillary Clinton hatred from the right was a giant motivator for republican nuts to vote (which they love to do), the communism/socialism angle will be even stronger than the hate they had for Hillary Clinton. Orders of magnitude stronger. Because it wouldn't just be Sanders, but OAC, and the other members of the so called gang.

Bernie can't win purple states. it would be a landslide win for Dump.

[Zolorp]

167. I disagree completely

[Cuthbert Allgood]

166. Can you imagine the ads against Bloomberg?

Stop and Frisk. His horrible comments about women. The fact that he was a Republican not too long ago.

Please. It will be ugly shit from the right regardless, but stop acting like they don't have a book on Bloomberg.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

74. Sanders has been spouting his "progressive" lines for some 40 years

but he's never actually done anything in Congress but get a couple of post offices named. Talk is cheap. He's so stubborn and ideologically rigid that he hasn't been able to get even the most liberal Democrats to back him up because he insists on telling them how corrupt and "corporate" they are. If he keeps kicking real Democrats in the nuts he won't be able to get anything done as president - because not even the Democrats will have his back (and we know the GOP will be out to destroy him). If he's been "working for us" all these years, why hasn't he accomplished anything?

[sprinkleeninow]

62. Mike! Mike! Mike! n/t

[Algernon Moncrieff]

63. My answer this week is "Sanders"

It could be Bloomberg next week. Both have pros & cons, albeit different ones.

[Thekaspervote]

64. Bloomberg is the obvious winner!!

[R B Garr]

82. LOL, I guess Bernie isn't winning hearts and minds.

[spooky3]

68. I think a Bloomberg Warren (or reverse) ticket would be very interesting and

they agree on far more than they disagree on. I really think they could work together and would be a very powerful force.

Both are "get things done" people, which I admire, and they are very good at articulating what they will do and why Trump and friends are totally unacceptable.

[Squinch]

121. I like her best but I think he's most likely to win. Only

problem with your scenario for me is that the vp spot may be a waste of her talents. We need her in the cabinet.

How about Corey?

[xmas74]

133. You need geographical balance.

With Bloomberg in the pres slot neither Warren nor Booker would work.

Out of those you could look at Buttigieg but a Klobuchar or Castro might be stronger contenders. I still believe Castro is a strong contender with the party in general for a possible veep slot.

[Squinch]

150. True. I'd pick Amy of the two. It's time to get a woman

at least into the executive branch.

OR Kamala.

[xmas74]

152. Both are good choices.

Klobuchar is a strong Midwest/Northern woman and Castro is a Latino who could help bring Texas.

[Stargleamer]

70. Bernie would be red-baited

and portrayed in attack ads as a reincarnation of Stalin. Nathan Robinson should understand this.

[Buzz cook]

71. And a New York Jewish media mogul

You're right no one will ever attack that.

[Stargleamer]

75. No, any Democratic nominee will be attacked

It's just that what Bernie said/wrote years ago leaves him more vulnerable than Bloomberg who has at least the financial resources to hit back.

In fact, the projection we soon will see is aimed to deflect criticism by striking first, and then make it appear that both candidates have the same flaws when we then respond by pointing out that the different ways he is evil. So:

Because Trump lies, he will call the Democratic nominee a liar as soon as possible
because Trump harassed girls/women, he will go after Biden's inappropriate touching
because Trump is so corrupt, he will have attack ads saying our nominee is corrupt

etc., etc.

and he will try to do these things BEFORE the Democrats come out with ads criticizing him for the very conduct he will accuse our nominee of doing.

[MontanaFarmer]

76. Bloomberg.

Sanders will lose independents and suburbanites. Trump beats Bernie everywhere in the middle of the country, including the rust belt. The oppo dumps will be well- timed and they'll be brutal.

[herding cats]

79. We have to win this year, so I voted Bloomberg.

Bernie isn't a winning GE candidate. Bloomberg would have a better shot than Bernie.

What matters most is we win this cycle, and that includes coattails. Bernie definitely isn't an asset to down ticket races.

[musicblind]

80. I honestly don't know enough about Bloomberg to make that decision.

He hasn't done any of the debates, for example.

If it came down to that, I'd take a hard look at both candidates before deciding.

[denem]

81. Sanders would lose the GE.

I would do all I could to get him elected, but he would lead the Democratic Party to a disastrous defeat.

[OliverQ]

85. Based on what?

He's polling very well and he won Michigan and Wisconsin in the 2016 primary. He also has the largest, most enthusiastic voter base. You pick Bloomberg or Biden and you're going to lose an enormous chunk of the 18-35 crowd.

[OliverQ]

84. The Bernie hate on this sub is pretty astounding.

[Quixote1818]

88. Clearly based on polling, the US demographics are nothing like DU

So we can take this internet poll and the divisiveness behind it and just have a chuckle as we watch Sanders do well in Iowa tomorrow while Bloomberg will fail to garner squat.

[highplainsdem]

89. Bloomberg isn't running in Iowa.

[Squinch]

120. But earned.

[Cha]

127. When anyone can't debate BS' Campaign's Bogus Attacks..

they resort accusations of "hate".

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Attack Biden for the same thing BS did.

Link to tweet

[phleshdef]

91. Sanders. I'm a Biden supporter with Warren as my 2nd choice.

And right now, I'm very upset with some of the shit coming out of Sander's campaign. I also don't think he would be a good leader because he has a history of not getting along with others all too well. He is stubborn.

But Bloomberg is way less "one of us" than Bernie is. I don't trust him. I'd vote for him over Trump of course. Hell, I'd voted for a literal "5 year old taking a shit on the salad bar at Ruby Tuesday's" over Trump (credit to John Oliver for that analogy). But he is too "law and order", he wants to micromanage people's lives and he comes off cold as ice. Bernie genuinely gives a damn about the average person.

Its a real mixed bag and as much as Bernie Sanders has annoyed me lately, I'd go with him simply because I get the impression that he is a better person.

[Kentonio]

92. Ah Democratic Underground.

The one place on the 'left' that would rather vote for a Bush supporting billionaire than an actual progressive. Never go changing guys..

[brooklynite]

99. Yeah! Who would want to vote for a guy who changes his Party designation for convenience?

[JonLP24]

94. Bloomberg seriously?

I may quit politics if it comes down to Bloomberg.

[Progress_Dem]

101. Bloomberg would not beat Trump IMO

He would lose many progressive Democrats who would either vote third party or sit at home. It would be a big mistake for the Democratic Party to nominate him.

[LongtimeAZDem]

102. Any self-styled progressive that votes third party or sits at home deserves Trump

Sensible voters know better than to cut off their noses to spite their faces.

[Progress_Dem]

105. Perhaps

But progressives voters cannot be taken for granted.

[LongtimeAZDem]

106. If they don't vote for the Democratic candidate against Trump, they not really progressive. Period

[highplainsdem]

108. Exactly. They're sanctimonious, purist fools.

[Progress_Dem]

110. I disagree but so be it.

[LongtimeAZDem]

117. Any action or inaction that helps Trump win is not progressive. It's really that simple.

[nolawarlock]

134. Of course you do ...

… and you and many like you are why we have Trump.

[Squinch]

119. Meaning what? The only real meaning in there is a

threat that they will take their ball and go home.

[fleabiscuit]

123. That's about the last thing that happens on this site. nt

[highplainsdem]

107. Any progressive Democrats who would vote third party or stay home rather than vote for the nominee

would be betraying the party and letting down the country and the world.

They'd be enabling and helping re-elect Trump.

They'd be no better than Trump's supporters, in terms of the realities of the election.

[TheRealNorth]

141. I hope middle of the road Dems feel the same way

If Bernie or Warren ultimately win the nomination.

From what I have seen here, I have my doubts.

[zonkers]

113. Totally agree. And I don't see Biden being the nom. I think Bernie has this in the bag just

a gut feeling. But I am rooting for Warren.

[Progress_Dem]

114. I think Biden can still win

the nomination, but he needs to have a good showing tonight. He isn't going to win New Hampshire, so tonight needs to be strong for him.

btw, Warren is my second choice!

[zonkers]

118. I like Joe but to telegraph any type of bipartisanship

at this moment as he does when he talks about working with Republicans, it's is tone deaf, at least to me. And to hear it at the same time Ciiplioni, trumps Atty is talking about bipartisanship in his closing statements. Just feels wrong.

[marble falls]

122. We don't need another billionaire.

[fleabiscuit]

125. They task us, and we shall have them... nt

[Mountain Mule]

112. Blech! What a miserable choice

I might just flip a coin if it comes down to that. But whoever wins the Dem nomination will get my vote.

[ecstatic]

128. Bloomberg, but I'll say it again,

I'm worried that he can't win due to his past policies.

[xmas74]

131. Bloomberg

No hesitation.

[budkin]

142. Wow...

Just embarrassing.

[Maru Kitteh]

143. I'm no real fan of Bloomberg, but I'd pick him in a heartbeat

in that scenario

[HarlanPepper]

144. I think at that point it's a coin flip

[Jack_Warriner]

147. At least Bernie Sanders was never a Republican... unlike Bloomberg

there's that...

However, I welcome Bloomberg spending his money in this race advertising against Trump

[iamthebandfanman]

149. Very telling

of the interest of the majority on DU.
theyd rather have a republican than an actual liberal.
yikes guys.
the hatred runs deep.

[DaDeacon]

151. They dont see it.

And what's worse is that it comes from a place that doesn't logically make sense. They hate Bernie because they are afraid his change is too big or that Trump voters will not vote for a Democrat?!? This is the MSNBC style pandering to the wall street class. I'm sorry kiddo the more I see here the more worried I get that many have bought into this Repulican lite shit. Lesson that many haven't learned *IF WE DONT EXPAND OUR BASE TO THE WORKING CLASS WE LOSE* bringing in a New York millionaire will not do it. Don't be dimm Trump will lose if we have a message that the poor and working class identify with. Hillary lost because Trump was able to frame her as out of touch and elite. In states like Michigan where she lost by 2000 some odd votes how many voters just didn't vote for her because she didn't see a need to visit in that final run up or as a have long suspected it was a f*ck you for the flint water crisis BUT my point being this narrative that people want safe moderates aren't played out in polls or policy. BE BOLD! Fight for things you believe or no one will fight with you!

[BlueTsunami2018]

153. People like to talk about some of our candidates as "DINO"s and the like.

But Bloomberg pretty much is a Republican. His positions are terrible on so many issues. I’d vote for him against Тяцмр but Bernie is much more one of us than Bloomberg ever will be. It would sicken me to vote for him.

[highplainsdem]

157. kick

[Cha]

158. KICK

[Tarheel_Dem]

160. Bloomberg for sure! n/t

[Laelth]

162. Even liberal DU generally supports a center-lane candidate.

This is telling and somewhat surprising.

Good poll.

-Laelth

[BusyBeingBest]

163. I chose Bloomberg, but would gladly vote for Sanders.

[Turin_C3PO]

164. Probably Sanders

but I don’t care for either of them. I don’t think they could win swing states. But, like I always say, I will vote for, canvass, and donate to whoever our nominee ends up being. Priority #1 is kicking Trump’s fascist ass out of office.

[peggysue2]

168. I'm a Biden supporter

But if it comes down to Bloomberg vs Sanders? Bloomberg will get my vote in a New York minute. Because?

WINNING IS EVERYTHING in 2020!

[Kaleva]

170. Kick to see if people change their vote