Here I go, this may be the end of me, but Joe Rogan is not an enemy.

[Eliot Rosewater]

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He has made racist comments.

He has made trans-phobic comments as many other stand-ups have, which is NO excuse.

But he is not the enemy, in fact he is very vocally ANTI the actual enemies Rump and Pence.

Bernie may end up the nominee, I doubt it but he may and if that happened we would have to not only vote for him but if Joe brought in some unsavory folks to vote for Bernie, that would be GOOD because the election is about

LIFE

AND

DEATH...

Even though I am known here to REALLY not like Bernie, which is no secret, you will think he was my guy ALL ALONG if he becomes the nominee.

And even though Rogan has punched down with racism and homophobic comments, he is NOT the enemy at least NOT NOW.

Take back the WH and House and Senate, then worry about Rogan and people like him, but for now they are on our side and for now that is EVERYTHING...We better understand that...it is fucking serious like a heart attack actually.

And no, I am neither a POC of LGBTQ, so I understand I cant and wont speak for them, that is NOT what this is. This is

a BINARY time...you are either on our side or on the side of FASCISM AND DEATH.

I am not the enemy either.
ROGAN's endorsement ONLY matters IF Bernie is the nominee...which is the BASIS of my post.

ps

Oh, and the guy who gave Liz shit about tuition free college, FUCK HIM too!


edit

I spend months LAMBASTING Bernie supporters for very obviously putting CONDITIONS on their vote here and elsewhere. All I am doing here is saying the same thing if Bernie happens to be the candidate, we have to put NO conditions on that and accept ALL the help we can get...because, again, the alternative is maybe DEATH.




Conversely I sure hope some BS voters dont condition their vote on the basis of who endorses a candidate other than him...same thing, same EXACT thing...


If a nevertrumper con endorses anyone other than Bernie, for example, because he or she is anti trump; we can almost guarantee such a person has an UGLY history of either being anti minority or wanting to destroy SS and Medicare or both, but if they want to give us MORE votes by endorsing one of ours...OF COURSE we accept it.

[squirecam]

1. Less than a week ago

AOC wanted a smaller tent because centrist Dems were the enemy and Biden shouldn’t even be in the party.....

When centrists are smeared as corporate lapdogs, but racists and homophobes are invited in?

People have every right to be upset at the hypocrisy.

[Eliot Rosewater]

3. Corporate democrat is a KGB talking point, so you dont have to tell me.

I care about ONE thing ONLY

removing the FASCIST KGB KILLERS from the WH.

[abqtommy]

4. +100

[tiredtoo]

23. Do you have a link

regarding AOC calling for a smaller tent?

[squirecam]

41. Look here

https://theunionjournal.com/aoc-slams-joe-biden-complains-dem-party-has-no-standards-theyll-take-anybody/

https://jacobinmag.com/2020/01/aoc-joe-biden-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-same-party?mc_cid=11b3d97993&mc_eid=15d0c14ad6

[tiredtoo]

44. Thanks for the link. EOM

[Demsrule86]

46. It is all over google...

I don't have any free stuff left for the good sites.

[nini]

2. No

Our tent doesn't get to include those hateful fuckers.

[Eliot Rosewater]

5. So if the election comes down to people like him , let Rump be reelected?

That is what is known as either or, which is where we are.

Binary...when I lecture Bernie fans that this is a two party system and they MUST vote for Joe if he is the nominee, same thing.

Not complicated.

[nini]

8. Oh please

That's not what I fucking said. NOT going after this jerk for who he is creates a big problem for people of color and trans etc. How do we ignore what that asshole is when we're supposed to be the party fighting for them?. We don't get to excuse racism and misogyny etc.. just because they support someone associated with our side.

This just smells of white hetero privilege to see so many people looking the other way over this - and there's plenty all over the internet doing it. We may as well take an endorsement from David Duke too..

[Eliot Rosewater]

26. OK, so either we want more votes than rump NO MATTER who it is voting or we dont?

[nini]

39. If you want to allow those types to speak for one of our candidates go ahead

I prefer they not be associated with any candidate at all.

That fucker has attacked marginalized human beings for years. He is a piece of crap. It's embarrassing Sanders even thinks this is a good thing.

But go ahead and take part in lowering our standards as Democrats. God knows none of us are perfect but that guy is a whole other level of disgusting.

You can have the last word since you seem to need. I'm done talking to the wall.

[squirecam]

9. Bernie voters

Are saying they won’t vote for anyone but Bernie.

Biden voters are saying we don’t want people who make racists or homophobic comments in the party.

Those two things are not the same.

[Eliot Rosewater]

12. Nope, they are not the same and again

all that matters is we win...if we had to get former rump voters to do that, we then do that or

maybe we actually DIE...

Right?

[squirecam]

17. I think

Biden can get Obama-Trump voters without resorting to “it’s a large tent” position of the week when conveniently needed to obtain racists and homophobes.

They don’t need to be promoted in campaign material.

[Eliot Rosewater]

20. God I hope you are right but if you are wrong VERY bad things can happen, so I am open

to anyone voting against rump and putin.

[Cha]

7. Exactly, nini.. joe rogan has such an ugly,

stupid, racist, comment floating out there on the INTERNET.. I won't even post it. it's too hurtful.

[nini]

11. He's vile

And to see BS's campaign doubled down on that endorsement is vomit inducing.

[Cha]

19. And, anyone excusiing rogan's "vile" utterances is

beyond the ******* pale

[Eliot Rosewater]

21. I didnt excuse them, I simply said we have two choices

rump/kgb/putin/fascism/death

or

not...

[Cha]

35. joe rogan & BS don't need any cover from those who think rogan's

comments are hateful and hurtful.

This is what you're doing.. I'm done here.

[sheshe2]

60. +++

[still_one]

33. +++

[Cha]

37. Thank you, still_one.. I'm done here.

[pfeiffer]

10. +14,715,000

This is the estimated number of gay people in the US.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

13. "You are either on our side or on the side of FASCISM AND DEATH."

Yeah I guess bigots are on the side I am not on.

Fuck using a Republican racist threat to justify the endorsement of an ostensible Democrat by another racist.

[Eliot Rosewater]

15. What?

So it isnt as simple as we win or we could lose our country or lives?

Shit, and here I thought it was.

[Demsrule86]

25. I want to win but Rogan won't help us...no doubt he is part of operation Chaos...they want Sanders

to win...and no matter what he will cost us more votes with women, POC, Trans and just decent people. WE don't that piece of Alex Jones loving garbage...so Alex Jones reaches people too...should we accept his endorsement...Sanders blew it.

[Eliot Rosewater]

30. NOT if BERNIE is the nominee...THAT is my point, his endorsement is irrelevant otherwise.

[Demsrule86]

40. My opinion is we lose 35 states if Sanders is the nominee...and this racist thug who supports proud

boys won't help with that. I vote blue no matter who...but I can't ever accept this. Sanders will do what he wants...but it is on him. He has my vote if he is he nominee in the general.

[Eliot Rosewater]

43. Yep, could be, but if he is the nominee we want more votes for him, not less.

BINARY

Simple to me.

But if it is not that simple to everyone else, then I am done here. I thought it was.

I am very disappointed.

[Demsrule86]

73. People here will vote for the Democratic nominee...this doesn't help Sanders IMHO.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

27. Joe Rogan is a bigot. He's not on my side.

Accepting the support of bigots uncritically does nothing to change their minds. When bigots aren't challenged, people lose their lives.

[Kurt V.]

58. i never heard of this guy until today ( i thought) . then i googled and he was the fear factor dude

and a comedian and popular pod caster. Surely he is no more than a blip of persuasion on the electorate if at all.
so no minds have been changed one way or the other. imo

[samir.g]

14. he's a smug, bigoted attack dog fighting for white male privilege

We don't need to cater to those who give a platform to thugs like Jordan Peterson and the Proud Boys.

Guess what? He thinks that Gabbard is great, too!

[Eliot Rosewater]

18. We dont? what if Bernie is the nominee?

Do we want him to win so rump doesnt or not?

[squirecam]

22. If Bernie

Is the nominee then Rogan is going to vote for him.

Is Rogan going to vote for Biden if Biden wins?

Everyone on DU is going to support the nominee.

[Eliot Rosewater]

24. Based on what I have heard and read yes, Joe is going to vote against Rump.

His listeners may as well.

The point of getting people like Joe to support you is he has influence on voters.

IF we are stuck with Bernie, and believe me he is the LAST one I want, then we need EVERY person willing to vote for him to do so and I dont care how we achieve that since the alternative is maybe DEATH.

I thought we all understood that?

[Demsrule86]

31. He said he might...the guy is a Trumper or Ron Paul Libertarian...kidding yourself...his object was

shit stir.

[Eliot Rosewater]

34. Nope, willing to be $100 right now if Bernie is not the nominee he will openly state he

will vote for the D candidate.

[Demsrule86]

75. Well I don't want to take your money...did he vote for Hillary Clinton last time...

I really don't know.

[BuffaloJackalope]

38. I'm sure you're old enough to understand

that a vote "against Trump" is not necessarily a vote FOR the Democratic candidate.

[Eliot Rosewater]

42. What does that mean? Voting for the D, aka against rump, is ALL that matters.

[BuffaloJackalope]

45. He could vote for the 2020 version of Jill Stein - against Trump.

Or write in Sanders.

Or do a Susan Sarandon: "Trump will destroy the country! And That'll Be The Best Thing For It!"

Just voting against Trump isn't enough.

[Eliot Rosewater]

47. Yes, he could do those things. I am saying based on what I have read and heard, he wont, he will

vote for the Dem.

If he doesnt and talks that way then he could do some damage, for sure.

I am pretty sure that he will though and as I said somewhere willing to put money on it.

[Demsrule86]

29. He had Tulsi on his show...

[Eliot Rosewater]

36. And I dont like her...you know what I like less? 4 more years of madness.

[tiredtoo]

16. Bravo

Agree with your post Eliot except i do not REALLY dislike Bernie.

[BuffaloJackalope]

28. If Rogan and his ilk can see the damage Trump has done & can find their way to vote Dem - fine.

That doesn't mean we forget where they're coming from, doesn't mean we roll out the red carpet for them, and DAMN sure doesn't mean they get a seat at the table.

And my gut sez when Sanders fails to win the nomination, these less-than-savory characters that are singing Sanders' praises now will be out working against us.

[Eliot Rosewater]

32. His endorsement ONLY MATTERS if Bernie is the nominee, I thought that was

clear in my OP but maybe not.

I want one thing and I dont care how as long as it is legal, beat the fascist killers in the WH.

[squirecam]

48. You mean

Like supporting the Greens?

[BuffaloJackalope]

53. Who's the Green candidate for POTUS?

[squirecam]

55. Last one was Stein

The TP this year could be Tulsi.

[Demsrule86]

49. So AOC says Biden doesn't belong in our party..neither do some in the progressive caucus...and

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our 'tent' is too big, but they have plenty of room for hateful assholes like Joe Rogan...No and no.

[Eliot Rosewater]

51. Yeah, I believe that is all what was said and is true, but again, ALL i care about

is


never mind

I am wasting my time. this is not healthy

[squirecam]

54. Everyone

On DU is going to vote for the nominee.

You should take your concerns to Bernie twitter and Rogan, and tell them to vote for the nominee when it isn’t Bernie.

[Demsrule86]

69. Eliot I get you are saying...you and I are on the same page mostly...we both are desperate to win..

and we will vote for any nominee...but this guy is dividing us not helping us get more voters...there is a twitter war raging at the moment...and consider how POC feel about our embrace of this guy or Trans people...he is vicious. He won't help us. I had hoped Sanders wouldn't run and we would be spared the exhausting daily drama...but that didn't happen...we can win if we stick together and we don't need the Rogans of the world to do it. We can't accept this guy it is disrespectful to our AA Democratic voters. They are voters we can count on year after year.

[Devil Child]

50. Sensible thoughts and sound judgment Eliot Rosewater

Defeating and removing Trump and his clique is all that matters in this potentially life and death election.

[Eliot Rosewater]

52. Uh huh.

[sheshe2]

56. It was far more than racist comments.

Far more!

I am kind of appalled at your post. His vile rant about women that I will not post...calling for women to be shot in the "C". The most vile thing I have ever read in my life. I will vote for him, BS, as a last resort in the general and then seek therapy. Joe Rogan IS the enemy of all I hold dear.

I so wanted to leave my two nieces and three great nieces in a better place when I die.

[Demsrule86]

65. Me too Sheshe...I posted one of his vile rants against women...and it was one of the milder ones...

and it was still terrible...this guy is trolling Sanders. He is a Libertarian or an unrepentant Trumper.

[sheshe2]

67. I am very upset tonight, Demsrule.

Rogan is my enemy. He is the enemy of all women, LGBTQ and POC.

Why BS has not distanced himself from this man is beyond me.

[Demsrule86]

70. I don't understand either. How could he not?

[SidDithers]

57. He sure isn't an ally to many of the most vulnerable of our society...

many of which are Democrats.

Sid

[Afromania]

59. Winning at all costs eh.

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I'm going to say this. So its come to the point where so many white people are for that dirt fucker we need "sort of racist" white people??? Im really tired of this line of thought. Outside of voter suppression you wonder why so many of us have given up on the system?

Your sentiments here play a part. The fact Bloomberg with his stop and frisk policies is somehow surging. Fact is when it comes down to it y'all need us but not so much as you want your contemporaries. I'll still vote for who I need to when I need to, but I'm becoming less than estatic about it.

[MaryMagdaline]

61. Someone who makes racist comments IS the enemy

On this one issue alone (racism) we have to be ideologically pure. Mainline Dems pushed racists out of the party beginning in 1948 and we should never look back.

The Rogans of this world need to apologize to US before we allow them back in the party. We owe them NOTHING. By minimizing the effect of Rogan’s racist comments we are betraying our AA and Hispanic brothers and sisters. No amount of hipster comedy is going to make those racist comments acceptable.

Rogan likes Bernie? Bernie needs to use the power of his popularity to push the racists out of his party or even better, make them see the error of their ways.

If I start making racists comments, feel free to throw my ass to the curb as well. It is conduct unbecoming any liberal and especially, any Democrat.

Racism is a deal breaker. Now and forever.

[Demsrule86]

66. +1000

[TwilightZone]

62. There's a difference between targeting voters of all stripes and promoting a racist homophobe.

Targeting voters of all stripes is fine (assuming the message fits in with liberal/progressive/Democratic principles, of course).

Promoting a racist homophobe simply because he endorsed one's candidacy is not.

I think that's the difference here. I agree with you that we're going to need all the help we can get, but that doesn't mean that we should celebrate someone like Joe Rogan on a candidate's website.

I also agree with those who have pointed out the ludicrous amount of hypocrisy here. Sanders surrogate AOC says the tent is already too large and that Biden, of all people, doesn't belong in the tent...but Joe Rogan does?

[Buzz cook]

63. With friends like these...nt

.

[padah513]

64. He was endorsing Tulsi wasn't he?

[squirecam]

68. You should edit your post

Everyone on DU will vote for the nominee. We are not your enemy and you don’t to tell others you disagree with to FU.

You should spend time on Bernie twitter and calling in to Rogan show. It’s them who needs the unity speech. Cause everyone here supports the dem nominee.

They don’t.

[Demsrule86]

72. True that great post...

[Eliot Rosewater]

79. Just because truth matters the ONLY person I told to fuck off was the guy in the video complaining

to Liz about making college tuition free.

NOBODY else did I say anything to along those lines.

[m-lekktor]

71. This is a very well thought out and nuanced analysis. I don't see how anybody could be angry at you

no matter what side they are on. The only influence Rogan would have is votes, not much else that affects anything. He is definetly the epitome of a "bro" though. I never listen to him

[SaschaHM]

74. Nah, Rogan's endorsement matters because millions of supporters are willing to ...

whitewash and accept just about anything Bernie does. It's more likely that Rogan's views are going to infiltrate Bernie's youngest supporters than a grown ass man changing his mind.

When videos of Rogan just openly spouting the n-word w/ a hard r start making the rounds, I don't want to see anyone on the left complaining about their inability to reach people of color that aren't already on your team.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

76. Trump is already president right now. If, as you insist in this thread, "defeating Trump is all that

matters," where does that leave you if he wins this fall?

.because, again, the alternative is maybe DEATH.

People are already dying. People are already dead. When you put all your chips on one presidential election, you end up having to justify the endorsement of a Democrat by a racist, misogynist bigot. Is it worth it? For me, no.

[NCProgressive]

77. I disagree

An enemy's enemy is not always your friend.

There are some principles that are higher than just winning an election and those must never be compromised.

Rogan's existence is antithetical to the core values we as Democrats espouse. What next? A David Duke endorsement of Bernie?

[delisen]

78. You did not mention Rogan re women-any thoughts?