Biden and Lucy Flores: Daily Beast has reviewed old correspondence backing up Flores claim.

[pnwmom]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/lucy-flores-joe-biden-cant-recall-kissing-incident-because-hes-so-used-to-behaving-that-way?source=twitter&via=desktop

But Flores, 39, has stuck by her account. In her piece for “The Cut,” she said that she told a few members of her staff what had taken place after the event. However, she said that she did not have permission to share personal information about them. The Daily Beast was able to view correspondence between Flores and another individual discussing the alleged incident in Nevada years prior to the New York Magazine article. The exchange gives credence to Flores’ claim to the extent that it shows it was an incident she talked about before going public this Friday.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/30/us/politics/joe-biden-lucy-flores.html

But as she was preparing to take the stage, she said, she “felt two hands on my shoulders” and “froze.”

“Why is the vice-president of the United States touching me?” she recalled wondering.

“I felt him get closer to me from behind,” she continued. “He leaned further in and inhaled my hair. I was mortified.”

Then, she added: “He proceeded to plant a big slow kiss on the back of my head. My brain couldn’t process what was happening. I was embarrassed. I was shocked. I was confused.”

[emulatorloo]

1. I believe her. However I don't believe Biden's a 'sexual predator' or a 'rapist' or whatever

hyperbolic stuff and exaggeration we might hear on the Internet in the next several days.

Biden seems to hug a lot of people and it doesn’t seem sexual. He needs to back off for sure. But the last time I saw him give a speech I wanted to give him a huge hug.

[UniteFightBack]

2. Yeah we sure have had this conversation before about Biden but now it's being weaponized. nt

[emulatorloo]

4. Republicans have been trying to make "Biden is a Perv" a THING for a while now. It hasn't

worked for them, because it’s just more of their typical filthy sleazy innuendo.

[UniteFightBack]

6. So the question is why are Democrats right here on this forum so happy to give it a go. nt

[karynnj]

17. You said this very well and it is pretty much where I am on this too

1) I believe that it and some other awkward moments actually happened.
2) They are inappropriate and - in retrospect - I wonder if Jill Biden or any close aide ever privately spoke to him about this. If they didn't, they should have. If the did, he should have listened and changed this.
3) I agree that he is as far away from a sexual predator.

I also think that he is caught in a change in culture as to what is acceptable. I also remember that several more reserved candidates were compared unfavorably to Bill Clinton, who was more of a "hugger". In fact, many of those people actually did hug people ... but only after pausing to see if it was acceptable. So, to some degree, the media and pundits deserve part of the blame in actually favoring the "hands on" politicians.

[UniteFightBack]

3. Sometimes you need a hair sniffer to beat a pussy grabber. NEXT. nt

[R B Garr]

5. Her friend doesn't believe her.

"A male friend of hers had lots of pictures from that event, too. Cristobal Alex. He's told her that what she's claiming now doesn't match his recollection, or what was in the photos he took:

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Cristóbal Alex
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@CristobalJAlex"


She's been exposed as a Sanders supporter trying to spread Whataboutism about other campaigns because Bernie has massive exposure from his 2016 harassment claims.

[pnwmom]

7. That's NOT TRUE. It would have been much more fair for you to post Alex's tweet.

He said, "I told her, as a friend, that in no way did I question her recollection of the experience, but that once it became public, she could expect questions, and that what she remembered did not match my recollection or what was in the photos."

So what if another male staffer didn't happen to see Biden kissing the back of her head? And so what if no photographer was standing with her, while she waited to go on stage, ready to snap her picture FROM BEHIND? Why would anyone expect there to be a photo of that moment?

But what IS confirmed is she told Alex, and he discouraged her from coming forward by pointing out that she didn't have corroborating evidence. And the Daily Beast has seen correspondence from years ago wherein she talked about the incident.

Link to tweet

[R B Garr]

8. It didn't copy for me, but the facts remain that he says she

misrepresented him. So if she misrepresents him, who else is she misrepresenting.

No one else saw it, so why are you talking about ”one staffer.”

[pnwmom]

9. He claims she misrepresented him, and yet she doesn't say anything that contradicts

what he says. He disputes that "he made her question herself." How can he dispute her own internal thinking processes? He confirmed that he'd told her that he hadn't seen the incident or found it in photos. She took his response as discouraging; even if now, in retrospect, he doesn't think he meant to be discouraging. But he isn't disputing her claim about Biden.

He is the one staffer. We don't know who else might have been in a position to witness the incident, or to remember it afterwards. Biden is a much taller man than she is. If he was standing behind her, someone behind both of them could have easily missed the whole thing.

[R B Garr]

10. He said she just talked about this a few weeks ago. And she

misrepresented him. Why would she do that. So what if he was polite to her in his explanation that nothing he had matched what she said. No one else saw it, either.

Now it’s come out that her motivation is to deflect from Bernie’s harassment troubles from 2016. Poster lapucelle has a thread about it.

[pnwmom]

11. She didn't misrepresent him. Read his statement again. He only disputed whether

he had made her question herself. But how can he dispute that? She's the only one in the position to know the truth about whether she had questioned herself.

They both agree that he told her that he hadn't witnessed it or seen it in photos.

Also, Flores also spoke up when women were coming forward in the Sanders campaign. She confirmed that, too. That doesn't make her less credible about Biden. (And she hasn't yet endorsed Bernie, by the way.)

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/03/681815362/bernie-sanders-responds-to-allegations-of-sexism-and-harassment-on-2016-campaign

Lucy Flores, a former Nevada assemblywoman and a surrogate for the Sanders campaign during the 2016 presidential primary, said she was contemporaneously aware of these same allegations of "misogyny" during the campaign.

"There was essentially a cover-up" when issues were raised, she told NPR.

Flores added that sexism isn't an issue isolated to the Sanders campaign, saying it commonly occurs in campaigns.

"Frankly, I do think it's a little unfair ... that the attention and all of the conversation is including Bernie's name, because this isn't just something that's limited to Bernie's campaign," Flores said.

[R B Garr]

13. What was her motivation for misrepresenting him??

His last sentence: “ But please don’t misrepresent me.” So we have to go back to the point where she misrepresented him. She misrepresented his position. This is all in the post so no sense trying to make excuses for this anymore.

Edit: we’ve seen what her motivations at this time, so no sense making excuses for this either.

[pnwmom]

14. She didn't misrepresent him. He said that because he was embarrassed by the story.

But he stated no actual way in which she misrepresented him. He only disagreed with the affect she said his words had on her -- which he is NOT in the position to know.

She also came forward and confirmed problems with harassment in Bernie's campaign, so I have no idea why some people think that reduces her credibility.

[R B Garr]

16. She did misrepresent him. Is he a liar now? He stated exactly

how she misrepresented him. Her angle was to manipulate him about being believable since he had no evidence or recollection about her new allegations, something she just brought up a few weeks ago. Why is she manipulating him or his words? Never mind, it’s obvious.

This is silly now. She has been exposed.

[Cha]

15. I know, RB.. her "friend" does Not back her up.. in fact

he says she "misrepresented" him.

Link to tweet

".. that what she remembered did not match my recollection or what was in the photos.."

He felt sucker punched and surprised that their private conversation was included and worse.. it misrepresented me".

Imagine if Cristibol Alex had not spoken up?

[trueblue2007]

12. "A Big Sloooooooow Kiss" .... oh Jeez, This is another hit job on A Democratic Candidate !!

Stop bashing Joe Biden.

[hughee99]

18. Just to be clear, are you saying that this story is a lie and didn't happen, or that even

if it did happen, it doesn't matter?