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Sanders campaign knocks Biden on Social Security track record

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Sanders campaign knocks Biden on Social Security track record
BY MARTY JOHNSON - 01/18/20 07:28 PM EST 1

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Sen. Bernie Sanders' (I-Vt.) campaign continued its battle with former Vice President Joe Biden by criticizing Biden's track record on Social Security.

"Joe Biden should be honest with voters and stop trying to doctor his own public record of consistently and repeatedly trying to cut Social Security," Sanders' campaign manager Faiz Shakir said Saturday in a statement.

"The facts are very clear: Biden not only pushed to cut Social Security -- he is on tape proudly bragging about it on multiple occasions."

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/478948-sanders-campaign-knocks-biden-on-social-security-history
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at140 Jan 2020 OP
Gothmog Jan 2020 #1
Eliot Rosewater Jan 2020 #8
Gothmog Jan 2020 #25
TheFarseer Jan 2020 #32
Gothmog Jan 2020 #33
TheFarseer Jan 2020 #35
InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #2
beastie boy Jan 2020 #7
redstateblues Jan 2020 #12
George II Jan 2020 #3
at140 Jan 2020 #6
InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #16
Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #4
Me. Jan 2020 #5
vsrazdem Jan 2020 #14
InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #17
Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #21
vsrazdem Jan 2020 #42
Gothmog Jan 2020 #27
Cha Jan 2020 #9
Gothmog Jan 2020 #10
PatSeg Jan 2020 #13
The Valley Below Jan 2020 #11
InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #23
Gothmog Jan 2020 #26
The Valley Below Jan 2020 #28
InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #37
Aaron Pereira Jan 2020 #15
InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #18
Aaron Pereira Jan 2020 #20
InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #22
Gothmog Jan 2020 #29
Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 #19
Gothmog Jan 2020 #24
Aaron Pereira Jan 2020 #36
Gothmog Jan 2020 #40
Aaron Pereira Jan 2020 #44
Gothmog Jan 2020 #45
Aaron Pereira Jan 2020 #46
Gothmog Jan 2020 #48
InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #31
InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #49
mcar Jan 2020 #30
still_one Jan 2020 #34
NYMinute Jan 2020 #38
NCProgressive Jan 2020 #39
Gothmog Jan 2020 #41
Gothmog Jan 2020 #43
geralmar Jan 2020 #47

Response to at140 (Original post)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 08:42 PM

1. This claim has been declared to be false

 

The real world is a nice place where facts matter

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 08:53 PM

8. Appears the goal is familiar, harm the credibility of someone so if they

 

end up as the nominee, they lose.

How do people support this?
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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 10:31 PM

25. sanders did the same stunt last cycle

 


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Response to Gothmog (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 10:52 PM

32. You are conflating facts

 

Politifact declares it is false that Joe “lauded” Paul Ryan. Even if you accept that Biden’s was being sarcastic in agreeing we need to cut social security, he then went on to call for means testing, which is cutting social security! Then you are ignoring all the times he agreed to cutting social security as part of a balanced budget deal. But senior citizens can take it to the bank he did not “laud” Paul Ryan.
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Response to TheFarseer (Reply #32)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 10:55 PM

33. I trust a real publication like the Washington Post which declared this lie to be false

 


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Response to Gothmog (Reply #33)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 11:09 PM

35. Spin spin

 

I know I can’t convince you but anyone reading this should do their own research and see who has the better record of defending social security.
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Response to at140 (Original post)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 08:42 PM

2. UH OH!! Yes, Joe's record is VERY clear... but, there's still time to evolve!!

 


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 08:52 PM

7. Yep, very clear indeed! He just called Bernie's lie out.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden/biden-accuses-sanders-campaign-of-releasing-doctored-video-calls-it-a-lie-idUSKBN1ZH0MM

Now, how long will it take Bernie to evolve to the point where he is man enough to apologize? I am not holding my breath...
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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 09:06 PM

12. Bernie's camp is desperate. That's explains the lies

 

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Response to at140 (Original post)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 08:43 PM

3. That's their reaction to being called out for doctoring a video and lying about Biden here:

 

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287431326
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Response to George II (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 08:49 PM

6. Well, a video can be doctored, but past records are difficult to erase.

 

If I were Biden, I would just come out clean, assume responsibility for all past votes,
including the Iraq war vote, and then declare he has evolved and what his current agenda is,
is all that counts, not what he did 20 or 30 years ago. Circumstances change, and agenda has to evolve with it.
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Response to at140 (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 09:39 PM

16. Joe can't do that. He's already losin over these past votes. Joe's smart to deny responsibility.

 


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
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Response to at140 (Original post)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 08:46 PM

4. As I posted Biden has the same rating as Ted Kennedy...89%...for 40 years...

 

The Sanders campaign desperate onslaught are packed with lies...including the ones about the Ryan debate...liars got to lie I guess ad Sirota ET AL (in the campaign) are liars. They don't do their candidate any favors...and expect to see the polls drop....
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 08:48 PM

5. What Does The Truth Have To Do With It?

 

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another day, another lie...sounds familiar
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 09:23 PM

14. All Sanders has to do is compare his rating to Joe's. No match.

 

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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #14)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 09:39 PM

17. ZIIIIINNNG!!

 


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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #14)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 09:52 PM

21. What 10 points...and I expect Kennedy would be as acceptable to voters as Sanders...

 

the lion of the Senate...had an 89% rating...course he and Biden started young and were in the Senate longer ... not unemployed until what was it 40 or so?
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #21)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:59 AM

42. I didn't say it was unacceptable. I'm saying if this was one of my major issues in an

 

election, I'd rather have 100% than 89%.
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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #14)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 10:33 PM

27. sanders is telling a falsehood

 


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Response to at140 (Original post)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 08:54 PM

9. FALSE!

 


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Response to at140 (Original post)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 09:03 PM

10. I am glad that Joe Biden is calling out this lie from the sanders camp

 


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Response to Gothmog (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 09:14 PM

13. Good response

 

He gives Sanders the opportunity to save face, while implying the Sanders is better than that.
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Response to at140 (Original post)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 09:05 PM

11. More fake stories that just make Bernie Sanders look bad.

 

Dirty tricks by Faiz Shakir and David Sirota.

Scorched Earth 2.0.
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Response to The Valley Below (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 10:29 PM

23. FAKE?! Joe does NOT want to go there!! Lots more truth about Joe's record will be revealed...

 

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Bernie's been vetted endlessly by the corporate mainstream media... now it's Joe's turn to face his past.


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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #23)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 10:32 PM

26. Facts and the truth matter in the real world

 


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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #23)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 10:34 PM

28. Not this shit again!

 

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Response to The Valley Below (Reply #28)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 11:16 PM

37. Talk to Joe... HE's the one who bragged on TV about needin to cut SS AND Medicare benefits

 

with his Republican friend Bob Dole... not Bernie!!


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Response to at140 (Original post)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 09:36 PM

15. Biden's record on Social Security should be thoroughly vetted.

 

Joe has a long record through the years of saying SS is on the table. He should address his past comments instead of denying they ever took place.
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Response to Aaron Pereira (Reply #15)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 09:43 PM

18. Joe just has to DENY... then say issues re his past positions & votes have been debunked.

 

The corporate media refuses to vet Joe, so it's up to Bernie to raise Joe's past comments and votes. Good for Bernie... better we know the truth before nominating our Democratic nominee, because tRumpy won't ignore Joe's past record.


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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #18)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 09:50 PM

20. The media seems willing to accept the flat earth strategy.

 

No parsing or nuance can get around the fact he tried to freeze SS cost of living increases and proudly said so on the Senate floor. All politics aside we need to have him explain that position and if it's different now acknowledge and renounce so we can move on with certainty.
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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #22)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 10:36 PM

29. Who believes anything coming from sirota?

 

Do really want sanders vetted? sanders escaped vetting last cycle because he was mathematically eliminated after super Tuesday. the Clinton oppo file is still available and well as the trump file Trump had a two foot thick book of oppo research on Sanders http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044

They ignored the fact that Sanders had not yet faced a real campaign against him. Clinton was in the delicate position of dealing with a large portion of voters who treated Sanders more like the Messiah than just another candidate. She was playing the long game—attacking Sanders strongly enough to win, but gently enough to avoid alienating his supporters. Given her overwhelming support from communities of color—for example, about 70 percent of African-American voters cast their ballot for her—Clinton had a firewall that would be difficult for Sanders to breach....

So what would have happened when Sanders hit a real opponent, someone who did not care about alienating the young college voters in his base? I have seen the opposition book assembled by Republicans for Sanders, and it was brutal. The Republicans would have torn him apart. And while Sanders supporters might delude themselves into believing that they could have defended him against all of this, there is a name for politicians who play defense all the time: losers....

The Republicans had at least four other damning Sanders videos (I don’t know what they showed), and the opposition research folder was almost 2-feet thick. (The section calling him a communist with connections to Castro alone would have cost him Florida.) In other words, the belief that Sanders would have walked into the White House based on polls taken before anyone really attacked him is a delusion built on a scaffolding of political ignorance.
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Response to Aaron Pereira (Reply #15)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 09:46 PM

19. Yep. And gaslighting won't change that fact.

 

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Response to Aaron Pereira (Reply #15)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 10:30 PM

24. Here

 


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Response to Gothmog (Reply #24)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 11:15 PM

36. I'm glad he saying that today but he's standing in stark contrast to his own record.

 

Before the general election season starts I'd like to hear him renounce his earlier position. He talks passionately here about his repeated tries to join with Republicans freeze Social Security, Medicare and veterans benefits. He's so passionate about the need to freeze those earned benefits I absolutely believe him.

If he acknowledged and renounced those past positions instead of denying I would be more inclined to put faith in his current position.

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Response to Aaron Pereira (Reply #36)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:22 AM

40. That claim was shown to be false

 

It is sad that sanders is trying to pull this stunt
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Response to Gothmog (Reply #40)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:56 PM

44. I'm not sure denying plain facts is going to help but it is a strategy.

 

Best of luck with it.
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Response to Aaron Pereira (Reply #44)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:00 PM

45. sanders is losing and so has to use videos that have been altered

 

In the real world, facts can be checked and this bogus claim by sanders was proven false


I like living in the real world where facts and fact checking matters
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Response to Gothmog (Reply #45)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:08 PM

46. That fact check is referring to one video.

 

I posted an entirely different video with Biden saying he wanted to freeze Social Security, Medicare and Veterans benefits. Biden is on video and print over four decades saying the same thing over and over.

Are you claiming all the videos are fake or we can't believe our eyes and ears? That's what it seems like and I'm trying to determine if that's willful or if you don't realize the politifact piece is only addressing a single video.
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Response to Aaron Pereira (Reply #46)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:20 PM

48. I am sorry that sanders is losing but using bogus claims does not work in the real world

 




If nothing else, I trust President Obama over sanders and Sirota



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Response to Aaron Pereira (Reply #15)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 10:39 PM

31. Of course, Joe can TRY to deny it... but his same old song & dance ain't gonna fly no mo!!

 

Vetting Joe's record is WAY overdue. If the corporate mainstream media won't do it, then I guess it's up to Bennie to do it on behalf of We The People!!

Yes Aaron, Joe SHOULD address his past comments on Social Security... but he CAN'T, for obvious reasons. Bernie's caught ol' Joe with his hand in the SS cookie jar!! A proper vetting of Joe is now starting to bear this out.


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Response to Aaron Pereira (Reply #15)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:46 PM

49. Yes, especially for the the sake of young voters who have the most to lose...

 

Good thing Bernie has their back... and they have his!!


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Response to at140 (Original post)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 10:38 PM

30. False

 


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The Bernie Sanders campaign said Joe Biden lauded a Paul Ryan proposal to cut Social Security. That’s False. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2020/jan/09/bernie-sanders/did-biden-laud-paul-ryan-proposal-cut-social-secur/ … via @PolitiFact
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Sat Jan 18, 2020, 10:58 PM

34. Tired of Sanders nonsense. Hiring people like Briahana Joy Gray who voted for Jill Stein,

 

and has no regrets doing so, along with Hillary hating David Sirota, continually categorizing what he views as “establishment” Democrats in the most derogatory context, effectively calling one of the most progressive Democratic woman nominee a liar, along with misrepresenting and distorting her record, along with other Democratic nominees, is not only not disgusting, but dishonest



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Response to at140 (Original post)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 11:21 PM

38. Fake news. Debunked. Snoped. #SirotaLies

 

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Response to at140 (Original post)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 11:23 PM

39. A Warren supporter shilling for Sanders?

 

Interesting indeed.
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Response to NCProgressive (Reply #39)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:22 AM

41. Not really

 

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Response to at140 (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:50 PM

43. sanders is losing and so has to rely on lies

 


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