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Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:42 PM

 

LA Times Op Ed: Elizabeth Warren brushed off Bernie Sanders.Good.

Op-Ed: Elizabeth Warren brushed off Bernie Sanders and taught a master class in handling sexism

As the Democratic debate in Iowa wrapped Tuesday night, Sen. Elizabeth Warren confronted the extended hand of Sen. Bernie Sanders. He was plainly after one of those no hard feelings, good game handshakes. We’re cool, right? Warren (D-Mass.) wasn’t cool. It’s hard to have the presence of mind to refuse the near-mandatory displays of collegiality, but she did, folding her hands. Noli me tangere. Touch me not. CNN had cut the sound by this time, but in the pantomime she could seem to be speaking brusquely.

(snip) Sanders’ dispute with Warren had erupted the day before, with a news report of the 2018 meeting between them at which, according to CNN, Sanders told Warren a woman cannot win a presidential election. Warren confirmed the story. Sanders’ aides then called CNN’s (and Warren’s) account “a lie.”

A lie. Pretty strenuous protesting-too-much denial of something that could have been handily mitigated. If Sanders had more composure , he might have confirmed the report too — don’t we all think he said something close to what was reported? Then Sanders could have explained that he, like many feminists, fears America is too sexist to elect a Madame President. Done.

Instead his campaign distilled to a poisonous brew all the current male anxieties about gender with that one word: “Lie.” (On Twitter, pro-Sanders botnets drove the point home with a classy “Lying Liz” hashtag.) In Iowa, Sanders bloviated when the inevitable question about the report surfaced: “Anybody knows me knows that it’s incomprehensible that I would think that a woman cannot be president of the United States.” Inconceivable!

Then: “How could anybody in a million years not believe that a woman could become president of the United States?” In a million years!

(snip) Warren won. She also proved she’s a master strategist. She didn’t let Sanders get away with denying he’s sexist Tuesday night. Instead, she checkmated him into proving it.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-01-15/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-women-presidents-iowa-democratic-debate
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Reply LA Times Op Ed: Elizabeth Warren brushed off Bernie Sanders.Good. (Original post)
crazytown Jan 2020 OP
Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #1
ritapria Jan 2020 #2
Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #5
The Valley Below Jan 2020 #7
Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #20
BlueMTexpat Jan 2020 #21
Cha Jan 2020 #3
Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #4
Amimnoch Jan 2020 #13
djacq Jan 2020 #6
mcar Jan 2020 #8
kwolf68 Jan 2020 #10
BeyondGeography Jan 2020 #11
BlueMTexpat Jan 2020 #22
Amimnoch Jan 2020 #14
BeyondGeography Jan 2020 #9
ChubbyStar Jan 2020 #16
Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #17
BeyondGeography Jan 2020 #18
Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #19
Peregrine Took Jan 2020 #12
R B Garr Jan 2020 #15

Response to crazytown (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:48 PM

1. Good post. That is the way I see it. K&R

 

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:54 PM

2. Eliabeth Warren refused to shake Bernie's hand

 

Word of that stunt is getting around to Bernie's supporters across the Country ….She won't be the Second Choice for Bernie's supporters anymore ...Accusing Bernie , by inference , of being sexist is a bridge too far …. She has burned her bridges with Progressives ….The centrists will stick with Joe …. How does planting this stuff to CNN forward her cause ? ….The people who detest Bernie will cheer Warren on - but so what ? ..Those who are for Bernie will redouble their efforts ….
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Response to ritapria (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 07:06 PM

5. Re double efforts to do what?

 

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Response to ritapria (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 07:12 PM

7. Progressives? LOL.

 

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Response to ritapria (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 09:23 PM

20. I would doubt he will be the second choice for her supporters...works both ways.

 

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Response to ritapria (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 11:17 PM

21. Any Sanders supporter who ever believed that

 

Elizabeth Warren would ever run on the same ticket with Bernie has been living on a different planet.

And that was even BEFORE this moment.

He showed his true colors. He could easily have mitigated this situation. Instead, he made it worse. And at least some of his supporters are behaving exactly like Trumpers.
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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:56 PM

3. Yeah, BS doth protest too much. "In a million years"!!!!!

 

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Response to Cha (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 07:05 PM

4. Indeed!!

 

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Response to Cha (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:27 PM

13. Kind of sounds like trump in style of denial. -nt

 

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 07:07 PM

6. History repeats itself;

 

[link:https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/evolution-clinton-sanders-feud-over-qualifications-n553046|

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 07:15 PM

8. Good point

 

He could have said they misunderstood each other. Instead he called EW a liar. I do with the moderators had brought that up last night - one of them is lying about what was said.
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Response to mcar (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:02 PM

10. She called him a liar too

 


I am reading all these comments about Bernie calling Warren a liar. She did the same damn thing. Called him a liar.

Who to believe? Well, Sanders wanted her to run in 2016, Sanders is on record stating a women can be President. So her comment doesn't jive with actual empirical evidence.

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Response to kwolf68 (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:22 PM

11. Proves absolutely nothing

 

Sanders was a comparative nobody before he ran in 2016. He was right to defer to her because she was the darling of the left back then. Two years later, he had the power and she was in the way. It’s pretty easy to see his motivation for discouraging her.
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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 11:18 PM

22. Exactly. eom

 

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Response to kwolf68 (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:28 PM

14. I believe her a hell of a lot more than him. -nt

 

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 07:34 PM

9. Jason Johnson didn't miss The Look

 

What I saw on Elizabeth Warren’s face,” said the political scientist Jason Johnson later, “is the face of... every single person who has heard someone say something racist, offensive or sexist — you know you heard it and then you see them deny it in public.”
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Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:36 PM

17. Perfect description...I saw it too.

 

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:37 PM

18. Thought of you when I read that

 

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #18)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 09:20 PM

19. I don't see how anyone could miss it if they look at the video.

 

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:24 PM

12. Very disappointed in Elizabeth. She and Bernie were tied in my book

 

Now she has taken a turn to another persona as did Mayor Pete.

Not a good idea. People like consistency.

If she was so offended why didn't she mention this when it happened two years ago?
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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:32 PM

15. Warren handled Sanders' sexism perfectly.

 

Obviously Warren is a threat to Sanders now, so he is hostile to her success. Total sexism. He was already starting to thwart her before this, which is his history with others, so we know Warren is telling the truth.
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