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Elizabeth Warren20%
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Bernie Sanders10%
Pete Buttigieg5%

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:16 PM

 

OUCH.

Debate ended. Sanders held out his hand to shake Warrens.

She did not extend her hand.

That says a lot to the stories circulating.





https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287424055#top

Thanks highplanesdem

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Elizabeth Warren

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cry baby Jan 14 #11
Green Line Jan 14 #29
trueblue2007 Jan 15 #79
Pachamama Jan 15 #84
BooScout Jan 15 #87
mcar Jan 15 #110
BooScout Jan 15 #132
katmondoo Jan 15 #102
Name removed Jan 14 #19
W_HAMILTON Jan 14 #21
Cha Jan 15 #42
BeyondGeography Jan 14 #23
sheshe2 Jan 14 #26
PatrickforO Jan 14 #2
peggysue2 Jan 14 #3
Cha Jan 15 #43
getagrip_already Jan 15 #103
The Mouth Jan 15 #114
getagrip_already Jan 15 #118
Demsrule86 Jan 14 #5
question everything Jan 14 #7
Demsrule86 Jan 14 #14
sheshe2 Jan 15 #36
TidySum Jan 15 #69
ehrnst Jan 15 #94
marble falls Jan 15 #113
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ecstatic Jan 14 #8
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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:18 PM

1. Saw that, too. nt

 

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Response to cry baby (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:20 PM

4. Thanks!

 

Good to know I did not see that wrong.

That is one telling gesture.
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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:26 PM

11. CNN showed it just now and they're talking about it.

 

Elizabeth was raising her eyebrows and looking very annoyed.
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Response to cry baby (Reply #11)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:47 PM

29. She always looks annoyed

 

I remember her rolling her eyes at Joe in one of the earlier debates.
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Response to Green Line (Reply #29)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:09 AM

79. NINA TURNER OR JEFF WEAVER, is that you?

 

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Response to Green Line (Reply #29)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 04:15 AM

84. Elizabeth Warren never looks annoyed

 

She will show concern and empathy and is very sincere in my opinion.
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Response to Green Line (Reply #29)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 07:13 AM

87. Ooooh! She should smile more too!

 

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Response to BooScout (Reply #87)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 11:44 AM

110. And what about her voice? Is it shrill?

 

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Response to mcar (Reply #110)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:32 PM

132. And ANGRY...

 

...don't forget about ANGRY.
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Response to Green Line (Reply #29)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 11:06 AM

102. and Bernie always looks angry.

 

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Response to Name removed (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:34 PM

21. David Sirota, is that you?

 

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Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #21)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:33 AM

42. lol

 

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Response to Name removed (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:34 PM

23. Hey Bro!

 



Nice meeting ya!
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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #23)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:42 PM

26. Aaah...

 

I have a friend? Lol~

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:19 PM

2. Warren had a GREAT debate. And, she'll be a great president if

 

she becomes the nominee.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Elizabeth Warren

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:20 PM

3. Noticed the same thing

 

The exchange did not look friendly. Bernie screwed up his face and then turned away. I know I read earlier that Warren told her supporters to deescalate the argument. But something rough and ragged happened between the two campaigns. I'm thinking Elizabeth Warren will ultimately benefit from the brouhaha.
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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:35 AM

43. That's what I said to someone.. she

 

had asked supporters to scale down the whatever.. and now this.

I speculated that something happened from the BS camp that we don't know about yet.

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 11:10 AM

103. bernie has an anger issue...

 

When he is challenged, he gets mad. That isn't a good trait in a potus.
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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #103)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:20 PM

114. And sometimes it extends to his followers.

 

Sadly, as I like many of his policy positions, but some of his supporters seem to be 'Bernie or I'm out of here'.

Fuck purity, 'blue no matter who' or get your MAGA hat.
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Response to The Mouth (Reply #114)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:21 PM

118. I hadn't heard that before.....

 

'blue no matter who'

I like it. I usually use the term yellow dog, but you have to know what it means.
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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:21 PM

5. I missed that.

 

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:23 PM

7. Same here but I am sure it will be played again and again

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Amy Klobuchar

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Response to question everything (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:29 PM

14. I imagine so.

 

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Response to question everything (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:02 AM

36. Vid in the OP now.

 

Priceless.
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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #36)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:32 AM

69. Priceless indeed

 

This reflects very poorly on your candidate.
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Bernie Sanders

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Response to TidySum (Reply #69)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:40 AM

94. Sucks when that happens to one's candidate, doesn't it? But it doesn't mean that they're done.

 

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Response to TidySum (Reply #69)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:10 PM

113. Nope. Bernie is in damage control.

 

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Undecided

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Response to marble falls (Reply #113)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 05:22 PM

128. Yep.

 

Pulled out the big guns, Nina and Jane, to defend him.
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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #128)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 05:38 PM

130. Anther spring and summer of BBs will so work against him big time.

 

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primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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Response to TidySum (Reply #69)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:18 PM

115. welcome to DU

 

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Response to TidySum (Reply #69)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 05:43 PM

131. Lol

 

No it does not.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #5)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:01 AM

35. Just posted the vid in the OP.

 

Priceless.
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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #35)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:04 AM

37. Thanks Sheshe2 and for what it is worth...she had class tonight and I believe her...I saw her face

 

when he said it wasn't true.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #37)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:09 AM

39. I love that woman.

 

Thanks so much, Demsrule86. Fact is I like your candidate as well.

I want to thank you for your support of mine.



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Elizabeth Warren

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #39)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:48 AM

96. Warren deserves better...after this if Biden for some reason doesn't get the nomination, I will

 

throw my support behind her as my second choice in the primary...totally pissed off at the way she was treated. I always liked Warren and she fought back last night ...good for her.
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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:21 PM

6. I saw that as well...told my husband that's huge.....solidarity should have been

 

they all shake hands......
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Response to a kennedy (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:49 AM

97. I don't think she was lying. He had it coming...and probably worse.

 

He out and out said I didn't say that...no 'misunderstanding perhaps'...no softening ...that is calling a person a liar on stage...dreadful.
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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:24 PM

8. Good. He pretty much called her a liar.

 

So why reward that with a handshake? F that! I think she might be much more of a fighter than people think, which is a good thing. Being nice hasn't gotten us anywhere these past few years.
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Response to ecstatic (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:37 AM

44. Yes! He ordered his surrogates to specifically call her a liar,

 

while he "pretty muched" it himself earlier in the day, which would have been bad enough. The press know who pays his attack dogs and gives their orders, though, and of course Warren does.

Fwiw, she's long been known to be a fighter. Remember her Consumer Financial Protection Bureau? And how Wall Street conservatives had a hissy over the possibility that she might be Hillary's VP running mate? Lol, they must have heard that Biden had wanted her for his running mate in 2015 when he was considering running and thought they'd dodged a bullet.

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Joe Biden

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:55 AM

54. And his campaign called her supporters elites!

 

No bueno.
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Undecided

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #54)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:53 AM

98. And it turns out it wasn't some unknown campaign person...the campaign put it out and used it

 

over the weekend for canvassing...and and used other talking points against other candidates as well. Once again the story told by the campaign and Sen. Sanders appears not to be true.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #98)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 11:17 AM

105. Yup. nt

 

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #105)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 03:12 PM

120. Not a good look for him...

 

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Joe Biden

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:08 AM

61. Hi ecstatic.. did he call

 

her that on the debate stage?

Mahalo!
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Response to ecstatic (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:40 AM

73. She lied

 

It's bad enough that she's still yet to apologize for lying, but refusing to shake hands, as if she's somehow the victim here, just makes her come across as a very petty and low class individual.
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Response to TidySum (Reply #73)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:14 AM

89. Got any evidence to back that up?

 

Other than wishful thinking?



She is the more credible candidate here.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=420801
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Response to TidySum (Reply #73)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:55 AM

99. She did not lie. And if it comes between believing Sanders or Warren unless you are a Sanders fan...

 

Warren will win every time.
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Response to TidySum (Reply #73)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 11:38 AM

107. How do you know who is lying here?

 

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Response to TidySum (Reply #73)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:52 PM

116. i wish it wasnt allowed for posters to come here and FUCKING LIE about our AWESOME

 

candidates like Warren...I really wish that.
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Response to TidySum (Reply #73)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 06:04 PM

136. So sez a BS supporter.. NO EW did NOT "lie"

 

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:24 PM

9. Bernie Has His Campaign Making Character Attacks Targeting Warren...

 

...complete with a script. Bernie should be happy Warren took the high road, but Bernie has a history of going scorched earth, no holds barred trying to render all primary opponents unelectable.

https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/bernie-sanders-takes-the-gloves-off-goes-after-biden-hes-got-a-lot-of-baggage-record-is-so-weak/

Bernie Sanders Takes the Gloves Off, Goes After Biden: He’s Got ‘A Lot of Baggage,’ Record is ‘So Weak’

Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) has, in recent weeks, been looking up only at former Vice President Joe Biden in most national presidential polls. So with just one month left before the first votes are cast, the Vermont senator has apparently decided it’s time to take the gloves off.

In an interview with the Washington Post, Sanders took some pointed shots at the former vice president — calling his record “so weak” and saying that he carries “baggage” into the race.

“It’s just a lot of baggage that Joe takes into a campaign, which isn’t going to create energy and excitement,” Sanders said. “He brings into this campaign a record which is so weak that it just cannot create the kind of excitement and energy that is going to be needed to defeat Donald Trump.”

Sanders went on to argue that Trump will go after Biden on the economy. “It doesn’t take much imagination to understand that Trump will be saying, ‘You see this guy? He voted for NAFTA,’” he said.
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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:25 PM

10. Here's a tweet with video:

 


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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:33 PM

20. WOW! That was an amazing interchange. She said something to him, he grimaced....

 

...and then walked away.

That must have been humiliating to him. And Steyer stood there with a look like "WTF?"

This is all unraveling for him. Other than his diehard fans, he's going to lose a lot of voters.
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Response to George II (Reply #20)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:55 PM

117. She knows what she is dealing with. Most dont, if they did they might...

 

I have a question, if you want UHC and you have one candidate with a proven track record of accomplishing little and hardly ever getting along with others, or one with a relatively good list of achievements in a short period of time KNOWN for getting along with others

which do you choose?

Do people understand they have to get CONS to go along with things like UHC and college tuition?

I have a feeling these things are NEVER thought about.
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:47 PM

28. Posted it in my OP with credit. nt

 

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #28)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:53 PM

34. Thanks! Mediaite article with better video:

 

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:48 PM

30. Yeah, she jumped his ass. No doubt about it. Now let's all get together and beat Trump.

 

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:14 AM

41. And of course he points at her.

 

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:38 AM

45. So EW shook Biden's hand!

 

Thank you for this, hpd!
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Response to Cha (Reply #45)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:01 AM

57. You're welcome, Cha! Wanna hear something funny? There are paranoid

 

Sanders supporters on Twitter suggesting Warren must have "cut a deal" with Biden because of that handshake, and because she didn't attack Biden more.

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #57)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:07 AM

60. Of course.. there's always plenty of CTs to go around

 

other than she's pissed at BS for denying he said that..


Did he basically call her a liar on the debate stage?

Mahalo!

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:27 PM

12. I recorded the debate and went back and took

 

another. She walked over to him he was very animated she did not shake his hand her body language was closed and she appeared to be talking softly. He got more animated and dismissed her with a heck with you gesture. I’m sure a vid of that moment will be captured
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Response to Ninga (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:32 PM

18. Thank you!!!!!

 

Waiting for the video to capture it for posterity.

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Response to Ninga (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:36 PM

24. Wow I missed that

 

I'll have to look for that clip tomorrow.
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Response to Ninga (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:40 AM

46. Any lip readers!?

 

Thank you for that, Ninga
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Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:27 PM

13. He called her a liar....

 

That's hard to come back from.
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Response to Happy Hoosier (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:30 PM

15. My mother called me a liar

 

and we didn't speak for a number of years.

I hold a grudge.
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Response to Happy Hoosier (Reply #13)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:31 PM

17. Yep.

 

He called her a liar.

Don't fuck with my Senator!
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Response to Happy Hoosier (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:36 AM

71. What else does one call a person

 

Who spreads lies in order to smear them?
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Response to TidySum (Reply #71)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:22 AM

90. Speechwriters?

 

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287403646

Campaign advisors?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128794008
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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:31 PM

16. She also side-eyed him a few times during the debate

 

I think she’s done with him.
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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:41 AM

47. Hopefully!

 

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:59 AM

100. I have seen that look on my Mom's face...white lipped anger...boy we were scared to death when

 

Mom looked at us like that. And the thing is after seeing her face when he said he never said it, I know in my bones,he is lying and she is not...as a woman I am offended...Warren is now my second choice should Biden falter in the primary. She reminded me of Nancy Pelosi last night.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #100)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 11:03 AM

101. Well said...That expression told me everything I needed to know as well

 

As you well know I spend a lot of time on Warren and I had never seen that particular look before...it was raw.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #101)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 03:06 PM

119. She handled herself well and showed guts...she is now my number two in the primaries.

 

And I repeat myself...sorry...
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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:34 PM

22. I still don't get issue. While I hope he's wrong, it's a valid

 

opinion that a woman has the odds stacked against them. Sadly, 225+ years of presidential elections prove that.

We need to put this misunderstanding behind us and move on.
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Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:39 PM

25. I think the issue, for me at least, was that he flat out denied saying it

 

If he'd owned the comment and then explained the context maybe people wouldn't have been so upset. That's my take of it. I could be wrong.
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Response to MustLoveBeagles (Reply #25)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:48 PM

31. Honestly, I doubt I'd remember saying voters suck and make it tough

 

for a woman. It’s true, unfortunately.

Now if he said, “women shouldn’t run for office,” yeah kick his rear. But I know he didn’t.

It’s a non-issue. And, that is from someone who almost wishes both would implode in primary voting.
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Response to Hoyt (Reply #22)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:42 AM

48. the "issue" is BS denied he said it.

 

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:47 PM

27. Warren Shook Bernie's Hand...

 

I don't think you should repeatedly shake hands. That would get awkward.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/iowa-democratic-debate-live-updates/ar-BBYXCG8?li=BBnb7Kz

The six candidates have taken the stage. Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders were out first, and they gave each other a warm handshake and shared a few words. Elizabeth Warren was out next, shaking Mr. Biden’s hand and then reaching over to Mr. Sanders, who was looking elsewhere; he noticed her, smiled and joined in a handshake.
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Response to TomCADem (Reply #27)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:51 PM

32. Who do you think is gonna buy that spin?

 

This happened AFTER the debate, when everyone was shaking hands and heading off stage.
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Response to TomCADem (Reply #27)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:48 AM

50. Watch the video.

 

It comes at the end of the debate.
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Response to TomCADem (Reply #27)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:59 AM

56. What was "awkward" is that EW denied shaking hands

 

with BS when he offered his.. and then she had things to say(lip readers?).. that pissed him off.. and he huffed away..

Check out the vid..


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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:51 PM

33. Last summer Liz was embracing Bernie on Debate Stage

 

Now she won't shake Bernie's Hands ..The Conversation between her and Bernie took place in 2018 ..Only now she has become offended ? .. Please .... Warren claims the Party needs to nominate a Candidate who can unify the Party - and now she does this ? … She has pissed off tons of Bernie supporters tonight...
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Response to ritapria (Reply #33)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:10 AM

40. She's not mad about the '18 convo but that he's essentially calling her a liar n/t

 

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Response to ritapria (Reply #33)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 08:59 AM

88. Well at least she's telling her supporters to rise above this

 

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rubycramer/elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-woman-president-deescalation

When will Bernie do the same?

That's what real leaders are made of.
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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:07 AM

38. Sanders Walked away while she was still speaking...what a rude guy...I am sorry I want someone

 

who is nice in the White House. I am so sick of Trump and his shit...I want nice. Warren is Nice, Biden is nice...so is Amy and Pete...I want nice.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #38)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:45 AM

49. Hi Dems.. did BS

 

basically call EW a "liar" on the debate stage?

I just got home and haven't seen anything yet.

Thanks!
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Response to Cha (Reply #49)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 11:11 AM

104. He said he didn't say it period...no softening, nothing. He called her a liar on the debate stage..

 

You could see how angry she was...when I saw her face, I knew she was telling the truth...there was outrage as well as anger. I thought she handled it well...as for shaking his hand...I wouldn't either. And it had come out that he used the script against her in canvassing in unnamed early states...got to be Iowa and New Hampshire -after he claimed himself that it was some low level campaign person...blah blah.

I don't like Sanders so that may color my opinion (yes people I would vote for him in a general), but I thought he looked really bad the last couple of days and really hurt himself with women. I was offended as a woman over the script and lying thing. And My two Millennial daughters were enraged as was my Gen Z daughter. My son thinks Sanders did real damage last night and with the script to his campaign. He is Millennial also...interesting take from the 'youngins'...also, a commentator on MSNBC said that Sanders only has 8% more of 18-35 % of voters than Biden...to hear some talking about it Biden has none of this vote, and apparently that is just not true. I have not verified this but no one there disagreed.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #38)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:53 AM

52. Steyer seems to draw him away and try to calm him/BS down.

 

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #52)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 03:25 PM

121. I saw that...didn't look like a friendly conversation...but Steyer who probably heard it wouldn't

 

say which is probably for the best.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #38)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:56 AM

55. +1

 

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:52 AM

51. What a vicious bad-faith attack on Sanders this has been. I'd be mad too.

 

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Response to ArtTownsend (Reply #51)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:43 AM

74. This all started when Bernie's campaign broke the nonaggression pact by trashing Warren supporters.

 

His campaign called Warren supporters "rich" and "elite."

That precipitated the leak about him telling Warren that a woman can't win in 2020. The media then asked Warren to confirm if that was true and she did. Then Bernie basically called Warren a liar.

What a vicious bad-faith attack on Warren this has been. Yet Warren kept her cool and did not walk off in a huff.
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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #74)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:03 AM

76. When did Bernie's campaign ever trash Warren supporters?

 

And it wasn't a leak. It was a lie. A misrepresentation at best. How else are you supposed to respond to something like that, other than call that person out for lying?

And now Warren is trying to frame herself as the victim here?

Not a good start for her.
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Response to TidySum (Reply #76)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:43 AM

83. Sanders' campaign confirmed the authenticity of the Warren-bashing script Politico obtained.

 

Bernie campaign slams Warren as candidate of the elite

The nonaggression pact between Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren is seriously fraying.

Sanders’ campaign has begun stealthily attacking Warren as a candidate of the upper crust who could not expand the Democratic base in a general election, according to talking points his campaign is using to sway voters and obtained by POLITICO.

The script instructs Sanders volunteers to tell voters leaning toward the Massachusetts senator that the “people who support her are highly-educated, more affluent people who are going to show up and vote Democratic no matter what” and that “she's bringing no new bases into the Democratic Party.”

“I like Elizabeth Warren. [optional]” the script begins. “In fact, she’s my second choice. But here’s my concern about her.” It then pivots to the criticisms of Warren.

The Sanders campaign did not challenge the authenticity of the script, but it declined to comment. The Warren campaign also declined to comment.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/11/bernie-quietly-goes-negative-on-warren-097594
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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #83)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:34 AM

92. Indeed. (nt)

 

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #83)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 11:41 AM

109. After days of denying

 

that his campaign put out the script, Sanders now admits that, in fact, it came from his campaign, not some rouge supporters.

I wonder if this interaction had anything to do with that.

On another note. After denying, then admitting to the script as an official campaign document, why would anyone believe him in his denials of what he said about a woman not being able to beat trump?
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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #74)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:45 AM

86. I think you have it exactly right

 

They definitely took the gloves off first; the Sanders campaign put it in writing with that script as you note below. Warren had the “woman-can’t-beat Trump” anecdote in reserve to be used as needed.
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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #86)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:35 AM

93. I haven't heard that she was behind the leak. (nt)

 

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Wed Jan 15, 2020, 03:33 PM

122. Thank you, SunSeeker.

 

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:54 AM

53. Wow.. now that's an exchange that's

 

going to have people speculating for days.. weeks maybe. BS looked pissed after "no hand shake for you".. and of course whatever EW had to say..

She patted Biden's shoulder..

Mahalo, she!
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Response to Cha (Reply #53)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 04:07 PM

123. Thank you, Cha.

 

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:03 AM

58. That was interesting to watch

 


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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:03 AM

59. "Steady Steyer Don't Blow This.." You can Do IT!!

 


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Response to Cha (Reply #59)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:09 AM

62. LOL!

 

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Response to betsuni (Reply #62)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:18 AM

64. lol rofl!

 

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Response to Cha (Reply #59)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:17 AM

63. I think Steyer tried to defuse the situation.

 

He drew BS away. He was escalating. He needed to calm down. He needs to stay calm and focused. He has heath issues and needs to breathe.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #63)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:20 AM

65. The Accidental Therapist.

 

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #63)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:22 AM

67. Yeah, imagine if he weren't there.. maybe Tom Steyer

 

will tell us what was said?
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Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:22 AM

66. She put her hands together in a prayerful, gracious manner

 

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Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #66)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:55 AM

75. M'kay

 

I don't hang out in here much, but when I do I see why it's not healthy for anyone within 3 posts.

Which oddly seems to be a formula which holds true mathematically the longer I'm in here.
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Response to herding cats (Reply #75)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:09 AM

80. ?

 

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Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #80)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:23 AM

81. I disagree with you

 

For the record, I know social media will make their own versions of "analysis" for this moment tonight. I don't care. I saw it and mine is mine, and is real without some other manufactured to fit an ideology analysis.
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Wed Jan 15, 2020, 05:25 PM

129. Thank you, herding cats.

 

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #129)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 12:27 AM

134. Apparently, Warren was fierce!

 

I saw it with my own eyes and now I've heard the exchange.

Warren wasn't taking any of that 'pretend it away' from Bernie.

Damn, I respect her so much.
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Response to herding cats (Reply #134)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 12:36 AM

135. I respect her too, herdingcats.

 

She was fierce and never flinched or backed down.
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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:24 AM

68. How about a fist bump instead?

 

No point in spreading germs. It's cold and flu season after all.
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Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:33 AM

70. Bernie and his fingers crack me up. Nt

 

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 01:36 AM

72. She has a touch of the . . . .

 

Pelosi 'Don't mess with me!' seriousness about her.

Good on her, wonder what the words exchanged were about?
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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:07 AM

77. I WOULD NOT SHAKE HIS HAND EITHER !!!

 

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Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:09 AM

78. Everything I said here about being too divisive and unelectable is holding true.

 

Someone should never have ran if they honestly cared about the Democrats winning in 2020.

Pro tip: I'm not speaking of Warren here.
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Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:28 AM

82. Good for Liz!

 

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Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:17 AM

85. Would love to have been a fly on that podium!

 

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Wed Jan 15, 2020, 10:48 AM

95. She should smile more.

 

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 11:31 AM

106. Sanders has burned every bridge he might have in the Democratic Party.

 

Who is surprised?
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Response to The Valley Below (Reply #106)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 11:38 AM

108. I agree with that assessment.

 

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Response to The Valley Below (Reply #106)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 11:47 AM

111. Not me. History may not be repeating itself, but it is certainly rhyming. nt

 

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Response to The Valley Below (Reply #106)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 04:16 PM

125. I did not see this coming

 

exactly this way but looking at all the signs they were right there.. all it needed was for Elizabeth to act on it.. and she did!
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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 11:52 AM

112. The fact is, this incident means absolutely nothing.

 

It's all in the mind of the viewer. We can read into it anything we want and that is a dangerous thing for the future of our country right now. It becomes fodder for the rw to chip away at the character of dem candidates. That's all.
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Response to defacto7 (Reply #112)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 04:14 PM

124. Disagree.. it means a lot.. EW is calling out

 

BS on live stage.. he didn't like it.. too bad.
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Response to Cha (Reply #124)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 05:16 PM

126. I'm no fan of Sanders, I am a fan of Warren,

 

but it's amazing to me what people see, don't see, want to see and don't want to see in a little video clip. There's nothing substantive or useful. Is anyone watching the last .2 seconds of it? You have to watch closely. It's a mutual breakup but no one wants to see it. Otherwise it seems EW is making some kind of important point. It also seems like Bernie tries to reply. It also shows them moving on. In the end "seems" means nothing in the world of facts. Finding conclusions in this clip only opens up holes that people fill with mind reading opinions.
In any case, I hope Warren cleans his clock in real time. Actually she already is.

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Wed Jan 15, 2020, 05:18 PM

127. She's scolding him like one of her students

 

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Response to demosincebirth (Reply #127)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 11:34 PM

133. She's calling him out.

 

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