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Tue Jan 14, 2020, 07:14 PM

 

Bernie-Warren Feud Has Been Fueled By Everyone But Bernie And Warren

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/prime/bernie-warren-feud-has-been-fueled-by-everyone-but-bernie-and-warren

In the age of Trump and cable news soundbites, political feuds are often perpetuated by a politician’s own words. Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) went after former Vice President Joe Biden directly on the debate stage, questioning his record on race by invoking his comments about a 1970s-era busing program. Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) dug into Mayor Pete Buttiegieg’s courtship of top-dollar donors by calling out his “wine cave” adventures.

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Reply Bernie-Warren Feud Has Been Fueled By Everyone But Bernie And Warren (Original post)
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Response to StrictlyRockers (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 07:18 PM

1. Yeah, right.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/14/sanders-admits-anti-warren-script-early-states-098786

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Response to StrictlyRockers (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 07:18 PM

2. By "others" are they referring to Sanders' surrogates and high level staffers? Unlike...

 

...the Harris and Klobuchar debate incidents, this is being fueled by high level staffers in his campaign. Check the twitter accounts of people like Turner, Sirota, and Gray. They're the ones who were driving this.
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Response to George II (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 07:22 PM

5. Really?

 

Sanders staffers leaked contents of his private conversation with Warren to the press?
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Response to HerbChestnut (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 07:30 PM

6. No, but they're the ones that said the Warren people were "lying" until they had to retract it....

 

...and they're the ones who denied that it happened until they had to retract that. It wasn't just that statement from the 2018 private meeting, it was the anti-Warren script that they swore didn't exist or was fake until they could no longer deny it. Even Sanders called it a fake.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/14/sanders-admits-anti-warren-script-early-states-098786

Sanders camp admits anti-Warren script was deployed in multiple early states

Sanders initially attributed the talking points to rogue staffers, and supporters launched an online campaign to convince people the document was fake.

By ALEX THOMPSON and HOLLY OTTERBEIN
01/14/2020 05:06 PM EST Updated: 01/14/2020 05:50 PM EST

DES MOINES, Iowa — The controversial talking points attacking Elizabeth Warren that Bernie Sanders' campaign deployed were given to teams in at least two early voting states on Friday, three Sanders campaign officials confirmed.

Volunteers and staffers used the script on Saturday while canvassing for votes, meaning the talking points were more official than what Sanders previously suggested after POLITICO reported on the language.

The campaign pulled back the script — which described Warren's appeal as limited to the highly educated and financially well off — later on Saturday after the story published. Sanders initially appeared to blame the controversy on rogue employees.

“We have hundreds of employees. Elizabeth Warren has hundreds of employees. And people sometimes say things that they shouldn’t,” Sanders said Sunday in Iowa. His press aides never denied the veracity of the document.

The script mostly focused on Sanders' ability to beat President Donald Trump in a general election. But one page included attacks on the electability of Warren, as well as Joe Biden and Pete Buttigieg.

“The language was pulled because it was sloppily worded,” a Sanders official said, confirming that the script was an official campaign document.


Also from the article:

Some Sanders’ supporters claimed over the weekend that the campaign script wasn’t genuine and that the story was false. Sanders campaign photographer Bryan Lawrence also tweeted that the talking points were “unapproved.”

On Sunday, the Sanders campaign provided a new script and instructed officials in early states to stop giving volunteers the old one, according to two Sanders officials. A Warren aide told POLITICO that her campaign appreciated Sanders pulling the talking points and that they hoped to move on.
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Response to StrictlyRockers (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 07:19 PM

3. You just know this was

 

coined by some one in the Trump Campaign. Noticed these slugs testing talking points for the last three four months in preparation of either Candidate becoming the Nominee.

Same Trump Campaign as 2016 only the female name changed and Bernie changed to Biden.
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Response to StrictlyRockers (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 07:21 PM

4. What's everyone suppose to do.. Ignore what EW said and BS' Denial?

 



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Will it come up at the debate?


https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=421111

Bernie Sanders told Elizabeth Warren in private 2018 meeting that a woman can't win, sources say


The two agreed that if they ultimately faced each other as presidential candidates, they should remain civil and avoid attacking one another, so as not to hurt the progressive movement.

Ooops.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/13/politics/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-meeting/index.html

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287420981#post5
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Response to StrictlyRockers (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 07:55 PM

7. Looks like their both right.

 

Keep posting.
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Response to StrictlyRockers (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 07:59 PM

8. Oh get real!! Sanders already half admitted to it..per usual

 

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Response to StrictlyRockers (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 08:04 PM

9. I dont understand why this is even an issue...

 

Even if Sanders said what he's accused of saying, he was expressing an opinion that I think most of us would agree is wrong.

Personally, I find it implausible he would tell Warren "I dont think a woman can win." Even if he tought it, I doubt he'd say it to Elizabeth Warren, of all people.



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Response to StrictlyRockers (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 08:15 PM

10. That's a very odd statement.

 

It's as if Bernie and Warren are innocent bystanders in all of this, and some nebulous unknown sinister players with a secretive agenda are trying to drive a wedge between them.

The Sanders/Warren rift was inevitable. It was just a matter of time. They are fighting for the same turf, and they were bound to clash. Everything about them is incompatible: their ideologies, their personalities, their backgrounds. Why is everyone so surprised about this? The only thing that surprises me is that it didn't happen sooner.
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Response to StrictlyRockers (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 08:41 PM

11. If Bernie Is Not Responsible for Campaign Attacks on Warren

 

I guess we should not hold Trump responsible for fueling the racist rhetoric that leads to incidents like the El Paso shooting. When Bernie himself makes statements like Trump can easily beat Biden, then he needs to own the fact that his followers will also embraced his scorched earth rhetoric.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/04/beto-orourke-trump-el-paso-white-nationalist-1445700

Trump rhetoric freshly condemned after mass shootings

The Justice Department on Sunday said it was treating a mass shooting in Texas as domestic terrorism, while 2020 candidates and politicians across the spectrum, frustrated by a string of deadly shootings, battled over President Donald Trump’s rhetoric on minorities and whether it is encouraging violence.

“There’s a statutory definition of domestic terrorism — this meets it,” John Bash, the U.S. attorney for West Texas, said at a news conference. “It appears to be designed to intimidate a civilian population, to say the least.”

Kerri Kupec, a spokeswoman for the Justice Department, followed up on Twitter: “At #elpasoshooter press conference, @USAttyBash says working closely with AG Barr, @TheJusticeDept treating as domestic terrorism case. Calls for swift and certain justice. including death penalty.”

Democratic candidates were unsparing in assessing blame, with former Rep. Beto O’Rourke of Texas leading the way. He said on Sunday that responsibility for the shooting in his hometown of El Paso the day before — one of two in 24 hours that left at least 29 dead — fell on President Donald Trump and his racial rhetoric, accusing the president of “encouraging” such acts of violence.
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