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Tue Jan 14, 2020, 07:06 PM

 

Time to revisit: Joe Biden and VAWA

A reply on another thread suggested that there was some similarity between Biden, Sanders, and their common generation's attitude toward women.

I have to call BULLSHIT in the strongest way I can.

There's some old stuff on Sanders that illuminates his attitudes towards women, I'm not going to dredge that up here. (Though others probably will if someone begs hard enough, by claiming they have no idea what I'm talking about.)

Biden, on the other hand, pushed VAWA through. (the landmark Violence Against Women Act, in case anyone is not familiar.


https://time.com/5675029/violence-against-women-act-history-biden/

(emphasis added)

According to Nourse, Joe Biden, who was then the chair of the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee, first proposed working on the bill because he was concerned about national attitudes about violence against women — and was especially “appalled” that people didn’t take marital rape seriously. He introduced the Act in 1990 and thus helped to return the issue of violence against women to the national stage. The legislation, co-authored by Rep. Louise Slaughter, a New York Democrat, was also backed by Sen. Orrin G. Hatch, a Utah Republican, and had the support of a coalition of women’s rights groups, including NOW Legal Defense and Education Fund.

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In Nourse’s opinion, then-Senator Biden was motivated to push for the bill because of his empathy for women who had approached him about the idea, and those who testified in the hearings in the House and Senate.

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In terms of the passage of the Violence Against Women Act, Nourse says Biden’s empathy was an asset.

“He’s criticized for his emotion and his empathy. But it also means he has grit; when it gets in that he’s got to do something, he’s not taking no for an answer,” Nourse says. “That bill could only have been passed because of Joe Biden.”



Biden has his strengths and weaknesses as a candidate, and in his history in the Senate. But he's gotten shit done that mattered to women's rights. So anyone trying to equate him with Sanders in that area ... no. Just no.
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Response to MH1 (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 07:09 PM

1. That's malarkey!! Good try though!! Joe gotta lot done alright... that's what needs to be vetted!!

 

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Let's start with the resolution that lead to the Iraq War... that got done, true. The Crime Bill, along with Draconian drug laws and so-called justice reform that contributed to mass incarceration of minorities... yes, that got done. Changes to U.S. bankruptcy laws and banking regulations that helped create record wealth inequality... that also got done. The treatment of Anita Hill and the over-all handling of the Thomas confirmation hearings.... check.

The list goes on, proving that getting things done is not necessarily a positive and these things need to be vetted BEFORE the votes are counted. Of course, there are positives in Joe's favor that also need to be weighed.


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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 07:36 PM

8. Nope and this latest dust up with Warren shows him in a bad light.

 

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Response to MH1 (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 07:09 PM

2. Biden was in the Senate for THIRTY SEVEN years. And now people are cherry picking his votes...

 

...and positions to suit their narrative, forgetting that he got lots of things done. And there aren't all that many post offices in Delaware, either.
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Response to George II (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 07:57 PM

10. Wasn't there a whistleblower letter after one of BS's runs that documented sexual violence,

 

sex discrimination, and a pervasive predatory culture within the campaign itself?



https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/30/bernie-sanders-campaign-harassment-1077014

https://time.com/5490813/bernie-sanders-campaign-sexual-harassment/

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Response to MH1 (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 07:12 PM

3. Thanks

 

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Response to elleng (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 07:16 PM

5. You're welcome but it's only true, and ticks me off when people ignore it

 

and try to act like Biden is someone other than he really is.

If he doesn't get the nomination let it be for factual and policy reasons, not total bullshit.

I think he's a very decent guy and will be happy to vote for him in November if he does get the nom.
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Response to MH1 (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 07:31 PM

7. I agree, and been waiting for this issue to be put forward.

 

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Response to MH1 (Original post)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 07:16 PM

4. What are sanders' legislative accomplishments??

 

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 07:17 PM

6. Um ... ? anyone? Bueller?

 

not a lot that I know of.

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Response to MH1 (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 14, 2020, 07:45 PM

9. He named

 

a post office for Thaddeus Stevens.....that's a kind of cool thing to have as your signature piece of legislation for decades in congress, I guess.

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Response to MH1 (Original post)

Wed Jan 15, 2020, 06:53 AM

11. K&R

 

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