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Sun Jan 12, 2020, 02:06 PM

 

Bernie campaign slams Warren as candidate of the elite

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/11/bernie-quietly-goes-negative-on-warren-097594



Sanders volunteers are being told to zero in on the perceived weaknesses of Warren, but also Biden and Buttigieg.


DES MOINES, Iowa — The non-aggression pact between Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren is seriously fraying.

Sanders’ campaign has begun stealthily attacking Warren as a candidate of the upper crust who could not expand the Democratic base in a general election, according to talking points his campaign is using to persuade voters obtained by POLITICO.

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The script instructs Sanders volunteers to tell voters leaning toward the Massachusetts senator that the “people who support her are highly-educated, more affluent people who are going to show up and vote Democratic no matter what” and that “[s]he's bringing no new bases into the Democratic Party.”

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“I like Elizabeth Warren. [optional]” the script begins. “In fact, she’s my second choice. But here’s my concern about her.” It then pivots to the criticisms of Warren.


Exactly as I predicted...
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Reply Bernie campaign slams Warren as candidate of the elite (Original post)
Eliot Rosewater Jan 2020 OP
OnDoutside Jan 2020 #1
guillaumeb Jan 2020 #2
Eliot Rosewater Jan 2020 #3
guillaumeb Jan 2020 #5
Eliot Rosewater Jan 2020 #7
guillaumeb Jan 2020 #9
Eliot Rosewater Jan 2020 #11
guillaumeb Jan 2020 #13
Eliot Rosewater Jan 2020 #14
Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #17
Bummfuzzle Jan 2020 #22
Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #27
Bummfuzzle Jan 2020 #29
Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #31
Bummfuzzle Jan 2020 #32
mcar Jan 2020 #4
TomCADem Jan 2020 #37
BeyondGeography Jan 2020 #6
comradebillyboy Jan 2020 #19
Me. Jan 2020 #8
betsuni Jan 2020 #33
Tom Rinaldo Jan 2020 #10
Eliot Rosewater Jan 2020 #12
Tom Rinaldo Jan 2020 #15
Cha Jan 2020 #25
Darwin2019 Jan 2020 #16
Eliot Rosewater Jan 2020 #18
Nanjeanne Jan 2020 #20
SharonClark Jan 2020 #23
UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #21
Cha Jan 2020 #24
SmallDonor Jan 2020 #26
TomCADem Jan 2020 #28
ehrnst Jan 2020 #36
ehrnst Jan 2020 #35
stopdiggin Jan 2020 #30
SunSeeker Jan 2020 #34
ecstatic Jan 2020 #38

Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 02:11 PM

1. Millionaire Bernie campaign slams millionaire Warren

 

Lolz.
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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 02:11 PM

2. Recommended.

 

We should be able to disagree without being disagreeable.

Promote your own views without demonizing those who disagree with those views.

Edited to add: this criticism is directed at any candidate/campaign which engages in attack politics. If we are to defeat Trump, that should be our prime objective.
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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 02:12 PM

3. Who is that for, not me...You mean Bernie?

 

I am simply linking this factual report.

I wish Bernie and team wouldnt do this, dont you?
I might be missing your point, everybody is on edge these days.
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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 02:15 PM

5. This was directed at people who engage in this behavior, not you personally.

 

My apology for not being more clear.
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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #5)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 02:16 PM

7. You and I can be a model for going forward...I am curious, what do you think of

 

Bernie and team attacking Liz with an accusation that is completely, 100% untrue?
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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 02:17 PM

9. If it is true, it is a terrible idea.

 

I edited my previous response.
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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 02:20 PM

11. Thanks, my problem is I knew this would happen, I predicted it.

 

I said EVEN Liz wont be pure enough if she is perceived as being a threat to him.

PEOPLE need to LOOK at what is going on and we may not be able to wait and see...

Here is what should happen and I am certain it will not as to one candidate, the instant it is clear that the nominee will be whoever it is, ALL others should rally and work breathlessly to elect that person.

NO MATTER who it is including Bernie, and not just the candidates but their SUPPORTERS...

I dont want to predict a certain thing, but...never mind...
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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #11)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 02:23 PM

13. Agreed, and I am certain that the vast majority of Democrats

 

will vote for the nominee. This was true in 2016. We can also hope that Trump's obvious unfitness and erratic behavior might reach that portion of the GOP voting population that is neither racist nor greedy.

And no, before you ask, I will not estimate how large this non-racist, non-greedy portion might be.
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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #13)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 02:26 PM

14. Yes the vast majority did, and I am certain those 4 states were stolen by actual vote theft

 

but remember how close they were? All it takes is people to refuse to vote over hurt feelings that their person didnt win.

And then that person tells anyone who will listen: any social gathering like a meal or at a bar, grocery store in line, at kids basketball game, etc. how they just CANT TRUST fill in the blank...sound familiar?

I will have hate in my being for those people, again.
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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 02:45 PM

17. I think it shows that Bernie should not be our nominee...so much for the Bernie/Warren team.

 

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #17)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 04:37 PM

22. It was the Bernie team pushing that to legitimize him as a Democrat and VP pick.

 

I never felt Warren would accept or Sanders would offer. He couldn't handle such a power outspoken woman, and she is pure Democrat which he doesn't like. When discussing who he would pick as VP, I have to believe it will be someone outside the Democratic party in heart or actuality.

Warren people do not cheer for a Warren/Sanders team. Harris, Castro. Not Sanders.
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Response to Bummfuzzle (Reply #22)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 05:08 PM

27. Sander never planned as you said to offer Warren the VP spot ...it will be Tulsi, Nina or Stein.

 

He just wanted her votes in a brokered convention.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #27)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 05:13 PM

29. This, exactly. Not being a Democrat, he plays politics differently than our Party.

 

I have always been proud how our party holds themselves in integrity even in a fight.
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Response to Bummfuzzle (Reply #29)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 06:06 PM

31. I agree...you don't see our party doing this...A few minor skirmishes...but that is all

 

and the primary has been going on for months.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #31)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 07:33 PM

32. Thinking about it though, I think that our minor skirmishes is a result of what Sanders brought

 

to the race. I was thinking about it earlier with Warren saying maybe Biden is running in the wrong primary and Biden saying Warren is an elitist. I think Sanders just being in the race and his past behavior in his run and present one is affecting the whole group. Sure we all know better, and punch lite or pull back, but that we are punching in this manner at all is because Sanders has lowered our bar.
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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 02:12 PM

4. So much for the pledge

 

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Response to mcar (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 22, 2020, 12:50 AM

37. NPR: Bernie Sanders Files To Run As A Democrat -- And An Independent

 

The irony of Bernie's campaign attacking Warren for not being sufficiently loyal over the years to the Democratic party is amazing given that Bernie has already made plans to abandon the Democratic party for his next run for Senate.

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/04/700121429/bernie-sanders-files-to-run-as-a-democrat-and-an-independent

Bernie Sanders filed Monday to be a candidate for the Senate in 2024 — as an independent.

But last month, Sanders filed as a Democrat for president.

It's not unusual for candidates to file with the Federal Election Commission for re-election to their current office, which allows them to begin raising money. Most candidates file shortly after Election Day, in fact.

But with Sanders, it creates the odd situation of having a high-profile presidential candidate file to run for two different offices with different parties, just as the Democratic Party is adopting rules mandating presidential candidates take something of a loyalty pledge.
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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 02:16 PM

6. Warren has been saying she can and will unify the party

 

It’s a strong message coming from someone with her broad appeal within the party and it is gaining traction. This pathetic response proves it.
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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 02:59 PM

19. Warren could unify the party. Bernie? I don't think so.

 

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 02:17 PM

8. I Guess I Feel Sorry For BS

 

no money, no assets, no resources, no free health care, no guaranteed pension, no big 6 figure salary, no three million+ to run his office, no big SS, no book sales, no flying on privately chartered planes, no driver, no going hungry, no receiving excellent care for his heart attack, no homelessness, no cleaning toilets and other dirty jobs. Boy he has it tough and I don't blame him for pointing his finger at those who occupy privileged positions in life.
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Response to Me. (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 07:43 PM

33. +1

 

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 02:19 PM

10. Here's my reply to the exact same thread elsewhere on this forum

 

By the way, this is the third thread I know of here that features this Politico reporting, another goes under a different title:

"Slammed" Warren? "Aggression"? Please. If they literally were a team they wouldn't be competing against each other. Of course each wants votes that might otherwise go to the other. Both know that even in a best case scenario only one of them can win the nomination and they each want to be that person.

I realize that Politico chose the title but it is nonsense. One could just as easily have concluded that Bernie's volunteers were instructing people to caucus for Warren if there wasn't enough support inside their precinct for Sanders to clear the 15% threshold. That's a slam?

The word "elites" was a Politico fabrication. The script being discussed here said "well educated, affluent voters" etc. form Warren's base, which is pretty much what pollsters and talking heads in the media say all of the time. AND the direct point of the reference was to remind caucus goers that well educated affluent voters are reliably Democratic in their political leanings so that they would likely support other Democratic candidates also if they become our nominee instead of Warren whereas Sanders appeals to some less reliably Democratic voters and thus can expand our potential electorate.

That argument is a good part of why I recently switched my preference here to Sanders after listing Warren for several months. It is a fair argument to make. Likewise it would be fair for Warren canvassers to admit that Sanders was their second choice except they were worried that his past use of the Democratic Socialist tag might repel some moderate voters who might otherwise vote against Trump.

They are still competing against each other, not cross endorsing. I'll accept that kind of "slamming" any day in a primary.










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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 02:22 PM

12. So it is okeedokee with you...got it...I have a question, if Bernie loses the nom, and WHOEVER gets

 

it and I dont care who it is, will you INSTANTLY jump on board and AGGRESSIVELY AND PASSIONATELY support that person no matter, NO MATTER who it is and expect Bernie and his team to do the same?

Yes, if Bernie is the nom I will do this. Just to save time.
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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 02:33 PM

15. As I said in my full post, if Warren's team wants to note that Bernie's past identification

 

as a Democratic Socialist could make it harder for him to attract moderate Republican voters, that would be a fair issue to raise. I would not consider that "slamming" Bernie. Whether or not Warren shows broad enough appeal with lower middle class voters is similarly fair game. NOTHING NEGATIVE was said about Warren, no slur, no lies, no attack on her character, no distortion of her positions.

If politics is, as they say, a blood sport then this is playing to bruise. It takes a big ego to run for President and no one is playing to lose, except perhaps a few people whose goal is to be the VP pick only.

And as to your question about aggressively supporting the nominee, the answer is an absolute YES!
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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 04:59 PM

25. the more the better.. people need to see what

 

BS is up to..
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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 02:41 PM

16. As I recall Bernie bought a $600,000 lake house

 

Bought a new lake house after he lost the last election.

maybe someone can find a


link to this story https://www.snopes.com/news/2016/08/10/bernie-sanders-buys-summer-home/
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Response to Darwin2019 (Reply #16)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 02:52 PM

18. I dont care about that...it is impossible to be a US Senator and not "technically"

 

a millionaire so I dont care about that house.
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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 03:10 PM

20. As a phone banker for Sanders - I find this highly unlikely. No training I received says anything

 

like this. We are told to not comment on other candidates and to pivot back to Bernie and his policies.

All training videos on Sanders site also reflect not commenting on other candidates.

Multiple tweets in response to this story that is being circulated by actual canvassers and phone bankers and other volunteers also say they have never received any such information or script. I know I never have.

Until the actual memo is revealed - rather than some typed up words with no indication of where they came from - I will state

Emphatically - I have never received this script - I have never been told by anyone to use those talking points - and I have never found any other Sanders volunteer to support this claim.

Pure anonymous bull this came from the campaign. Perhaps a volunteer who wanted to be a bit more aggressive than the campaign has asked wrote this up to be used - but it is most definitely not official - most definitely not coming from the Sanders campaign and a direct contradiction to everything we are told during our training.
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Response to Nanjeanne (Reply #20)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 04:40 PM

23. It will be a good thing for Sander's campaign when they put out a denial of this article.

 

If the Warren campaign has proof of the script then she should use it peel off some soft Sanders supporters and fire up some undecideds. Democrats, over all, like their politics to be honest.
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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 03:18 PM

21. Being covered on MSNBC now...'slamming' Warren. Milking that Iraq war vote still and desperately

 

trying to use it against Biden. He's trying to rebake a cake - like I said in another thread, time is getting close to vote and he has to pull out all the stops here....it's his last chance. So I predict some real ugliness coming out of that camp.
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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 04:54 PM

24. BS called the whole Dem Party "Elite" after the fascists took over the WH.

 

Bernie Sanders 'deeply humiliated' Democrats lost white working-class voters

Washington (CNN)Sen. Bernie Sanders expressed his disappointment Monday with Hillary Clinton's failure to secure the support of white working-class voters in last week's presidential election.

Donald Trump "very effectively" tapped into "the anger and angst and pain that many working class people are feeling," the Vermont independent senator who challenged Clinton in the Democratic primary said on "CBS This Morning."

"I think that there needs to be a profound change in the way the Democratic Party does business," Sanders said. "It is not good enough to have a liberal elite. I come from the white working class, and I am deeply humiliated that the Democratic Party cannot talk to where I came from."

https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/14/politics/bernie-sanders-humiliated-democrats-loss-working-class-voters/index.html

The Dangerous Myth That Hillary Clinton Ignored the Working Class

https://www.democraticunderground.com/12512645001
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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 05:02 PM

26. Time to point out differences, this is how people make choices!

 

Remember Warren slammed Pete foe wine caves, so it is what it is.
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Response to SmallDonor (Reply #26)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 05:11 PM

28. The Bernie Sanders 'Rape Fantasy' Essay, Explained

 

That is right. It is time to make choices. Bernie seems to have a history of objectifying and dismissing the qualifications of women if not being downright mysogynistic:

https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/05/29/410606045/the-bernie-sanders-rape-fantasy-essay-explained

"A man goes home and masturbates his typical fantasy. A woman on her knees, a woman tied up, a woman abused.

"A woman enjoys intercourse with her man — as she fantasizes being raped by 3 men simultaneously.

"The man and woman get dressed up on Sunday — and go to Church, or maybe to their 'revolutionary' political meeting.

"Have you ever looked at the Stag, Man, Hero, Tough magazines on the shelf of your local bookstore? Do you know why the newspaper with the articles like 'Girl 12 raped by 14 men' sell so well? To what in us are they appealing?"
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Response to TomCADem (Reply #28)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 12:27 PM

36. He was an grown adult when he wrote this. (nt)

 

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Response to SmallDonor (Reply #26)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 12:15 PM

35. And then there's this:

 

April 15, 2015

“I am one of the exceptions," he said. "I am not going to start a super PAC. I’m not going to go around the country talking to millionaires. Now I'm saving my time because they wouldn't give me any money anyhow and that's fine."


https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/senator-bernie-sanders-calls-hillary-clinton-foundation-money/story?id=30687863


October 14, 2015

Mr. Sanders was cheered at a fancy campaign fund-raiser at the Hollywood home of Syd Leibovitch, a high-end real estate agent, and his wife, Linda, on Wednesday night.

Tickets for the event sold for a minimum of $250. Those who spent the maximum, $2,700, or who raised $10,000, were invited to a “pre-event reception,” according to the invitation.

The 14 co-hosts included Cindy Asner, the former wife of the actor Ed Asner, the actress Mimi Kennedy, and Benjamin W. Decker, whose website notes that he was once called the “legendary Hollywood P.R. maven” by Forbes magazine, and used to produce “celebrity-driven red-carpet movie premieres.”

...........................................

It was the ninth such event of his campaign, his aides said, according to the pool report.

................................

As Mr. Sanders began speaking to the guests, he joked that the Leibovitch house was a “proletariat” home, and told them, “The truth is there are many people in this country who have money but also believe in social justice.”



https://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/15/bernie-sanders-has-fund-raiser-at-fancy-hollywood-home/
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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sun Jan 12, 2020, 05:39 PM

30. this Politico article keeps coming back around (this is the 3rd or 4th string?)

 

read the article. It does NOT say what the headline implies. This is neither an "attack" nor "going negative." This is a list of talking points that seeks to highlight differences (and some perceived weaknesses) between candidates .. and completely stresses respectful terminology and dialogue. This is nothing more than solid grassroots campaigning. And to read this and come away with "attacking" ...

yet more Politico clickbait.
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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Mon Jan 13, 2020, 01:03 AM

34. Yep, it was just a matter of time. nt

 

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Wed Jan 22, 2020, 12:54 AM

38. Their attacks are so personal and offensive. nt

 

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