
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:03 PM
beastie boy (2,792 posts)
Suddenly, Biden leads in Iowa!
By just 0.5% with an MOA greater than 3%, but some would consider it a surge...
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/iowa/
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
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beastie boy | Jan 2020 | OP |
getagrip_already | Jan 2020 | #1 | |
LongtimeAZDem | Jan 2020 | #2 | |
beastie boy | Jan 2020 | #5 | |
redqueen | Jan 2020 | #3 | |
beastie boy | Jan 2020 | #6 | |
redqueen | Jan 2020 | #7 | |
LongtimeAZDem | Jan 2020 | #15 | |
Demsrule86 | Jan 2020 | #8 | |
redqueen | Jan 2020 | #10 | |
LongtimeAZDem | Jan 2020 | #12 | |
Demsrule86 | Jan 2020 | #16 | |
LongtimeAZDem | Jan 2020 | #18 | |
Demsrule86 | Jan 2020 | #20 | |
redstatebluegirl | Jan 2020 | #4 | |
Demsrule86 | Jan 2020 | #9 | |
Sloumeau | Jan 2020 | #11 | |
Demsrule86 | Jan 2020 | #13 | |
LongtimeAZDem | Jan 2020 | #14 | |
TidalWave46 | Jan 2020 | #17 | |
Peacetrain | Jan 2020 | #19 | |
empedocles | Jan 2020 | #21 | |
LongtimeAZDem | Jan 2020 | #22 | |
Demsrule86 | Jan 2020 | #23 | |
brooklynite | Jan 2020 | #24 | |
Demsrule86 | Jan 2020 | #25 | |
StevieM | Jan 2020 | #27 | |
Demsrule86 | Jan 2020 | #28 | |
StevieM | Jan 2020 | #29 | |
Demsrule86 | Jan 2020 | #30 | |
RandySF | Jan 2020 | #26 |
Response to beastie boy (Original post)
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:07 PM
getagrip_already (6,708 posts)
1. It's a blitzkrieg!
![]() Maybe bernie should attack him some more. It seems to be helping him. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to beastie boy (Original post)
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:08 PM
LongtimeAZDem (4,371 posts)
2. There will likely be an even division of delegates coming out of Iowa, and the current positions
will probably not change. That would be bad for everyone but Biden
"Unless you're the lead dog, the view never changes." ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #2)
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:11 PM
beastie boy (2,792 posts)
5. I just picturted the view of someone who is not a lead dog.
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to beastie boy (Original post)
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:09 PM
redqueen (112,607 posts)
3. The latest poll shown seems to be from Dec 19
What am I missing?
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to redqueen (Reply #3)
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:13 PM
beastie boy (2,792 posts)
6. The chart at the link shows standings as of January 2
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to beastie boy (Reply #6)
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:15 PM
redqueen (112,607 posts)
7. But with no new Iowa polls - how had anything changed?
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to redqueen (Reply #7)
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:26 PM
LongtimeAZDem (4,371 posts)
15. It's explained at the top; it's a moving average, less recent numbers have less weight
"Updating average for each Democratic candidate in 2020 primary polls, accounting for each poll’s quality, sample size and recency"
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to redqueen (Reply #3)
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:16 PM
Demsrule86 (51,112 posts)
8. No January 2nd...
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #8)
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:17 PM
redqueen (112,607 posts)
10. That's the date of the average.
But I see no new polls listed there so - wondering how any update as of anytime since then is possible.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to redqueen (Reply #10)
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:23 PM
LongtimeAZDem (4,371 posts)
12. "accounting for each poll's quality, sample size and recency"
Silver's algorithms take into account how long ago numbers were, and adjusts for stale data.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #12)
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:31 PM
Demsrule86 (51,112 posts)
16. You beat me to it...I was going to say that too...the same is true in New Hampshire by the way
where it looks like a tie...
![]() Our average includes all candidates that FiveThirtyEight considers “major.” Candidates with insufficient polling data are not displayed in the averages. State polling averages are adjusted based on national trends, which means candidates’ averages can shift even in the absence of fresh state polls. Read more about the methodology. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #16)
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:32 PM
LongtimeAZDem (4,371 posts)
18. They do explain their methodology:
Differentiator 1: We adjust state polls based on trends in national polls https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-makes-our-new-2020-democratic-primary-polling-averages-different/ ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #18)
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:40 PM
Demsrule86 (51,112 posts)
20. Very interesting...we should see some polls in Iowa soon too. But I think 538 is brilliant and trust
the methods.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to beastie boy (Original post)
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:10 PM
redstatebluegirl (11,018 posts)
4. As more candidates drop out and as things become more frightening around the world
I think people will look for something known and solid. We don't want to experience another 4 years of whiplash as we run from one pole to the other. The majority of America are in the middle. I know that is not popular here, but it is true.
I like Joe, I think he will make a great President to right some of the wrongs of this nutcase. However I do understand what has been done to our country and our foreign relations will take years to repair. I will work my tail off to elect a Democrat, but Joe is my first choice by far! ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #4)
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:17 PM
Demsrule86 (51,112 posts)
9. mine too.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to beastie boy (Original post)
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:20 PM
Sloumeau (2,638 posts)
11. I think redqueen is correct. I believe that this is how I saw things on 538...
more than a week ago. The small lead is not exactly new or sudden.
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Sloumeau (Reply #11)
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:24 PM
Demsrule86 (51,112 posts)
13. It has moved...My guess is national polls are also figured in...biden is ahead 10 points or more in
national polls.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Sloumeau (Reply #11)
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:24 PM
LongtimeAZDem (4,371 posts)
14. Older poll numbers are aged out
"Updating average for each Democratic candidate in 2020 primary polls, accounting for each poll’s quality, sample size and recency"
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to beastie boy (Original post)
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:32 PM
TidalWave46 (2,061 posts)
17. More than a surge according to some.
This is more like a blue TidalWave!
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to beastie boy (Original post)
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:36 PM
Peacetrain (20,826 posts)
19. Alrighty now!!!
Just the good news I needed
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to beastie boy (Original post)
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:46 PM
empedocles (11,568 posts)
21. Certainly a 'surge' by Biden supporters in this thread.
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to empedocles (Reply #21)
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:48 PM
LongtimeAZDem (4,371 posts)
22. :D
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to empedocles (Reply #21)
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 01:23 PM
Demsrule86 (51,112 posts)
23. Yep...this is good news for Biden.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to beastie boy (Original post)
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 01:24 PM
brooklynite (67,973 posts)
24. It's being reported that there's a Seltzer/DMR poll in the field...
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to brooklynite (Reply #24)
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 01:38 PM
Demsrule86 (51,112 posts)
25. Where is it being reported...not doubting you but I don't see it.
When will it be out...do you know?
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #25)
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 02:35 PM
StevieM (10,031 posts)
27. I am hoping that there will be a slew of new polls out on Monday.
It seems like we are about due. Right now we have no idea where the race stands in the early primary and caucus states because it has been so long.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to StevieM (Reply #27)
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 02:41 PM
Demsrule86 (51,112 posts)
28. I posted some updates figures...538 has a way to update using national trends and Algorithms...been
doing this for years...pretty accurate. And New Hampshire is posted here on this OP also.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287405831 ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #28)
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 02:44 PM
StevieM (10,031 posts)
29. It just doesn't feel the same as new polls.
I want the latest batch, but there is no latest batch.
Like I said, I have a feeling that we will get some new ones at the start of next week. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to StevieM (Reply #29)
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 02:48 PM
Demsrule86 (51,112 posts)
30. I agree...waiting for new polls.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to beastie boy (Original post)
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 02:30 PM
RandySF (36,122 posts)
26. The holidays are over and people are getting serious.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |