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RandySF

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Tue Mar 26, 2019, 08:41 PM Mar 2019

Bernie Sanders opposes House bill to strengthen the Affordable Care Act.





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This Sanders answer whether he would support House Dem legislation to improve ACA is pretty interesting. He says "no" and says he doesn't support any incremental reforms, which is quite a departure from his record. He's voted for all kinds of incremental reforms including ACA
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Bernie Sanders opposes House bill to strengthen the Affordable Care Act. (Original Post) RandySF Mar 2019 OP
maybe he doesn't understand it JI7 Mar 2019 #1
Maybe Bernie DOES & understands that single-payer MFA is the ONLY solution to guaranteeing the right InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #55
So, having NO health care is better than an inferior one? brooklynite Mar 2019 #91
Why is it the ONLY solution? betsuni Mar 2019 #93
It's BS. for him it's all or nothing. Amimnoch Mar 2019 #97
Russia enid602 Mar 2019 #138
It isn't, of course NastyRiffraff Mar 2019 #168
A single-payer MFA will never pass. So why not support something that will pass? George II Mar 2019 #108
Yup, I gotcha... they said the same thing about the Civil Rights Act. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #112
No they didn't. George II Mar 2019 #117
+1000. No way it can even start the process until we have the house, Senate and WH. ehrnst Mar 2019 #131
ACA only goes away if MFA passes to replace it... it's not single payer or nothing. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #182
Again, we're not getting the Senate back any time soon, let alone SCOTUS. ehrnst Mar 2019 #184
He introduced it in 2017, do you know the status of it? Hearings, committee votes, floor votes? George II Mar 2019 #229
Criticize Bernie all you like... his ideas are catching on for a reason. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #249
I'll support the law we currently have and also support improving it. Not hitching my wagon... George II Mar 2019 #251
Senator Sanders is no LBJ. And Sanders doesn't have an MLK making the case to the public. ehrnst Mar 2019 #130
Using this analogy, it's like being against Brown vs. Board of Education because.... George II Mar 2019 #135
Exactly. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2019 #136
good analogy Celerity Mar 2019 #205
Millions of people are going to be hurt. And the civil rights bill was negotiated. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #152
Riiiight! Like all those tens of millions who will be given their constitutional right to healthcare InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #179
It would come too late for my daughter who will not survive until 2020 Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #183
It's as though the focus is to banish pharma and insurance companies, and people getting health care ehrnst Mar 2019 #188
+1 betsuni Mar 2019 #194
You said it better than I did. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #198
Your daughter and my youngest are to be collateral damage in the eyes of THE REVOLUTION Maru Kitteh Mar 2019 #203
I think that some people believe that THE REVOLUTION will be exempt ehrnst Mar 2019 #238
With current SCOTUS lineup? Riiiiiight. ehrnst Mar 2019 #186
This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Mar 2019 #185
Can you support that allegation with objective evidence? LanternWaste Mar 2019 #261
Because it's about him and not about sick people lark Mar 2019 #256
So it is the perfect is the enemy of the good? Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #113
It's a dream. kstewart33 Mar 2019 #114
Well that's the spin.... BannonsLiver Mar 2019 #119
In the meantime, people get sick, have pre-existing conditions, etc. What about them? ehrnst Mar 2019 #122
Excellent post, and this is what it is--inexcusable political R B Garr Mar 2019 #139
MFA will be demonized in the general. No one should run on it. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #153
I agree 100%. If I were running, I would call M4A a mere slogan and suggest Kahuna7 Mar 2019 #262
Yep and it means universal care which is the goal. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #274
It isn't the only solution, and I would expect an experienced senator to know better. yardwork Mar 2019 #127
No it isn't. MFA is not likely to work as 0nly 17% of people are for it when told work place Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #149
Bernie just said True Blue American Mar 2019 #151
But he still won't vote for the only Healthcare that is possible? Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #154
That is what he said! True Blue American Mar 2019 #157
Dear God. I hope this now makes those that support him in the primary Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #158
Bernie is way too set in "his ways". SleeplessinSoCal Mar 2019 #196
Yeah... he only wants everyone in this country to have healthcare, as is their right. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #202
And if he can't get that for us today (he can't), then we deserve nothing? MrsCoffee Mar 2019 #240
Yeah I believe in nothing as the alternative... why make that up? InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #248
Not exactly what I said or meant. MrsCoffee Mar 2019 #257
and he needs to make it clear that Insurance will still be available. SleeplessinSoCal Mar 2019 #255
+1 sandensea Mar 2019 #258
It's fun (and certainly ethically convenient) to pretend there's only one solution LanternWaste Mar 2019 #260
Why? It's not the only solution in Canada, Germany, or Switzerland, pnwmom Mar 2019 #269
Maybe. But still question whether anyone should vote for him in a primary. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #165
Jesus. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #2
Pretty damn cruel dalton99a Mar 2019 #11
I don't understand is Sanders willing to have no deal since there is sno way we get MFA Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #150
Pretty much. tymorial Mar 2019 #102
Purity Nurse Jackie. Must. Have. Purity. BannonsLiver Mar 2019 #123
What good purpose does "all or nothing" serve when it means we get "nothing"? NurseJackie Mar 2019 #134
I heard the interview. TomSlick Mar 2019 #3
then why hasn't he passed it all in his many years in office ? JI7 Mar 2019 #5
As I understood him, TomSlick Mar 2019 #12
My take, dogman Mar 2019 #22
So says a millionaire who qualifies for medicare LuvLoogie Mar 2019 #36
No kidding. redstatebluegirl Mar 2019 #110
If that is his plan why would any Democrat vote for him in a primary? Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #156
All or nothing MyNameGoesHere Mar 2019 #95
Because, of course, he doesn't. Cha Mar 2019 #4
He knows it's time to go all in on Medicare for All. No more Incrementalism,especially with Trump Power 2 the People Mar 2019 #6
And let Americans pay the price with their lives in the meantime? RandySF Mar 2019 #10
This bill isn't going anywhere with the current senate or president. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2019 #15
So? The bottom line is he's not prepared to support the position of the Democratic Party. George II Mar 2019 #45
Exactly. And he has no viable alternative, he admitted as much. nt Blue_true Mar 2019 #62
So can Bernie's alternative pass? Blue_true Mar 2019 #61
The world as it is means that bill or any other bill passed by Democrats is going nowhere in... Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2019 #69
So if neither the democrats' bill or Bernie's plan now have a chance, Blue_true Mar 2019 #72
That's exactly what he is doing. He's sticking to his message. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2019 #74
Did he even introduce "his" bill in the Senate yet? What were the votes for/against it? George II Mar 2019 #100
Well said!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #88
No, nor should it. It would paint those who vote for it socialist. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #167
They are as Sanders helps Republicans promote the image that... WeekiWater Mar 2019 #67
Lol. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2019 #70
It's not that funny. WeekiWater Mar 2019 #71
My 22 year old daughter will not survive if the ACA goes down. She can't be without Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #170
So opposing a bill that is going nowhere is OK now, because the bill is futile? ehrnst Mar 2019 #137
It gives the GOP cover and helps Trump. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #171
Umm Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2019 #174
And? (nt) ehrnst Mar 2019 #177
Yeah but it sounds more horrendous sensational to accuse Bernie and his policies of killing people. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #254
If It no longer exists there's nothing to improve upon. Drumpf will get his way.Time to go all in. Power 2 the People Mar 2019 #18
Wow. You sound positively giddy over people losing their healthcare. Drunken Irishman Mar 2019 #129
That seemed to be the plan. TomSlick Mar 2019 #28
plus 30 million ( the amount who will lose coverage if Rump wins in the SCOTUS) Celerity Mar 2019 #35
+1,000,000 George II Mar 2019 #46
I guess BS doesn't care about that aspect. dubyadiprecession Mar 2019 #107
Not to mention this bill, or any other bill strengthening ACA, is DOA in the senate and Oval Office. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2019 #14
+1 Power 2 the People Mar 2019 #19
We don't know that. The Gop is taking heat and this gives the GOP coverage. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #160
I have some bad news for you Trenzalore Mar 2019 #25
Don't be so pessimistic. We'll get there. Especially if Trump is dumb enough to kill the ACA. Power 2 the People Mar 2019 #30
I was around in 2009-2010 Trenzalore Mar 2019 #31
Actually,,,,, Eko Mar 2019 #49
Joe Lieberman, running as an Independent, watoos Mar 2019 #50
He was the Democratic nominee for VP in 2000 Trenzalore Mar 2019 #51
"We" betsuni Mar 2019 #92
Oh, yes we can disinherit Lieberman! True Blue American Mar 2019 #155
It's not 'pessimism." If Trump gets help killing the ACA from 'progressives,' that's the opposite ehrnst Mar 2019 #133
That is not true. We get nothing if Trump kills the ACA. THE Senate is tough for us, Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #161
I wouldn't bet on that one anymore. Amimnoch Mar 2019 #181
There is no way other than incrementally to retrofit the health care system in this country. ehrnst Mar 2019 #132
Yes and that is Ok. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #162
And yet you tried to push another article in GD that said he would support strengthening it. MrsCoffee Mar 2019 #241
Don't be ridiculous. I posted an article from the Huffington Post. I DIDN'T WRITE THE ARTICLE Power 2 the People Mar 2019 #252
Same ol' Bernie or Bust - Me or Nothing dalton99a Mar 2019 #7
What! mcar Mar 2019 #8
He came across as unreasonable, especially compared to Pete Buttigieg, who was interviewed next. highplainsdem Mar 2019 #9
YES Celerity Mar 2019 #38
Again, this is a perfect example of Bernie creating division in the Democratic Party. Stuart G Mar 2019 #64
I don't think Bernie is all that interested in the Democrat Party. kstewart33 Mar 2019 #115
I want the contrast to become plain in the first debate. nt Blue_true Mar 2019 #63
Yeah, so? NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT #ACA2 BEING THE END OF THE LINE. Cha Mar 2019 #13
He has healthcare SHRED Mar 2019 #16
Which is more than my kid will have if this causes us to lose the ACA. WHAT Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #172
There Are Some People Who Become Much More Stubborn as They Age dlk Mar 2019 #17
Again, similarities to the current White House are eerie dalton99a Mar 2019 #20
Yes dlk Mar 2019 #24
Right? MrsCoffee Mar 2019 #98
And some would negotiate away half of their position on a talk show. dogman Mar 2019 #26
And there are adults who know this symbolic bill is going nowhere in the senate or Oval Office. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2019 #32
"All or Nothing" gets people hurt. Period. RandySF Mar 2019 #34
Walk me through how this bill does anything other than pass the house? Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2019 #43
Beto: We will defend the ACA. We will protect the care of those whose lives depend on it. Cha Mar 2019 #21
He could never be an effective President Trenzalore Mar 2019 #23
Well said! NurseJackie Mar 2019 #29
" He has no concept of making things better instead of failing trying to make things perfect." Maru Kitteh Mar 2019 #204
Being an effective POTUS involves working well with others, and ehrnst Mar 2019 #239
And what are people supposed to do in the meantime? greatauntoftriplets Mar 2019 #27
You aware the republicans hold the senate and the presidency. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2019 #33
It's known as "party loyalty" and solidarity. The fact that just hours before he said that.... George II Mar 2019 #41
So it's ok to bail on it? RandySF Mar 2019 #80
This message was self-deleted by its author RandySF Mar 2019 #44
Sadly, I'm not all that surprised with the answer. What DOES surprise me is Hayes' acknowledging... George II Mar 2019 #37
That was a pleasant surprise. Cha Mar 2019 #42
That's why he withdrew his support from Hillarycare. OhZone Mar 2019 #39
Exactly! It was the same BS back then. All or nothing R B Garr Mar 2019 #141
He also just threw the House Dems under the bus...including many who presumably support BOTH Cha Mar 2019 #40
He's doesn't support insurance industry healthcare. Pretty simple. jalan48 Mar 2019 #47
So he doesn't support thee health care that the vast comradebillyboy Mar 2019 #79
That most of those people Freddie Mar 2019 #89
No, he supports a single payer plan that does not rely on employers providing a health care plan. jalan48 Mar 2019 #116
You don't think healthcare is a right? BannonsLiver Mar 2019 #124
Thanks-I had it backwards. I need another cup of coffee. jalan48 Mar 2019 #140
Here is the clip Gothmog Mar 2019 #48
Mahalo, Goth.. smh Cha Mar 2019 #52
Charles (whoever that is) GABA tweeted a lie. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2019 #54
"I helped write the Affordable Care Act. So I don't want somebody suggesting I'm trying to dismantle betsuni Mar 2019 #57
BS sure flipped a switch. Cha Mar 2019 #81
Not very consistent. betsuni Mar 2019 #84
Wow.. I'm guessing sirota and briahna Cha Mar 2019 #85
It's almost like he's a politician adjusting policy to changing conditions. betsuni Mar 2019 #86
Exactly, Paul Krugman! He gets it. Thank You Cha Mar 2019 #87
You're welcome for the quotes and thank you for the tweets! betsuni Mar 2019 #90
I think Chris Hayes, like many former supporters, has moved on at this point. N/T lapucelle Mar 2019 #94
Bernie won't support the Dems' efforts to bolster the ACA. Make no mistake: if the ACA goes Cha Mar 2019 #59
Bernie resents the Democrats like a deadbeat boyfriend resents his girlfriend's parents. LuvLoogie Mar 2019 #53
lol ... I was thinking of it as Bernie being resentful when his ex-girlfriend moves on from their SFnomad Mar 2019 #56
LOL... LuvLoogie Mar 2019 #58
+1 RandySF Mar 2019 #60
Apt description.:) True Blue American Mar 2019 #173
But Bernie is more of a Democrat than most Democrats, amirite? betsuni Mar 2019 #65
Love your first line. sheshe2 Mar 2019 #146
Being opposed to positive incremental change on an issue... WeekiWater Mar 2019 #66
This is what happens . . . peggysue2 Mar 2019 #125
When you take the progress out of progressive... sheshe2 Mar 2019 #187
He didn't even mention the ACA by name on his spot with Hayes tonight Starry Messenger Mar 2019 #68
Paraphrasing for simplicity BlueFlorida Mar 2019 #73
It was that all or nothing principle which facilitated putting trump in the WH still_one Mar 2019 #75
And, their "All" was based Cha Mar 2019 #76
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Mar 2019 #96
Would he Veto incremental reforms? WeekiWater Mar 2019 #77
Good point LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #78
And we all know, she was a bad egg ... SFnomad Mar 2019 #82
Sirota and Briahna were great hires. "Republicans are trying to repeal Obamacare and I don't support Cha Mar 2019 #83
Yeah...because he wants to go further with M4A. TCJ70 Mar 2019 #99
If one can't go the first few steps, how can one go "further"? And we should all remember this... George II Mar 2019 #101
So let's do it again. The ACA was a big step...let's take another one. n/t TCJ70 Mar 2019 #104
And that's what the Democrats are trying to do in the House. They introduced a bill... George II Mar 2019 #106
To be clear...I like the things in the proposal laid out yesterday. TCJ70 Mar 2019 #109
Not only will it not pass the Senate, it won't even be brought up in The Senate. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2019 #121
So tell us then, when will "Medicare for All" be brought up in the Senate? George II Mar 2019 #197
Progressives Support Shoring Up ACA Before Tackling Medicare For All Cha Mar 2019 #195
Good to hear! betsuni Mar 2019 #199
Just another reason why BlueMTexpat Mar 2019 #103
++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Mar 2019 #105
Washington Post-House Democrats' health-care bill hurts Trump and Bernie Gothmog Mar 2019 #111
Like I keep saying, he's only in this thing for himself Blue_Tires Mar 2019 #118
YUUUUUUGE ego. yardwork Mar 2019 #128
Just heckles from the balcony section. Amimnoch Mar 2019 #247
Bye bye Bernie! BannonsLiver Mar 2019 #120
WTF, Bernie! yardwork Mar 2019 #126
This message was self-deleted by its author brandnewday2009 Mar 2019 #142
Bernie wants something much much better than the ACA..Medicare for all! workinclasszero Mar 2019 #143
The plural of anecdote is not data. TwilightZone Mar 2019 #144
Sure, I'm the only person in the entire country that the ACA didn't help workinclasszero Mar 2019 #145
I'm sorry you're "suffering" in a red state. Cha Mar 2019 #169
So what's the answer for 87000 uninsured in Missouri workinclasszero Mar 2019 #175
No one is talking about ACA being the end game.. Cha Mar 2019 #178
It is as ll we got. And all that we may ever have. How can he send thousands to their deaths? Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #163
Please don't add false information to this thread. TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #201
Just the facts.... workinclasszero Mar 2019 #210
Despite all of this information that you provided, TexasTowelie Mar 2019 #236
Dear Goddess, say it ain't so! sheshe2 Mar 2019 #147
Sanders needs to burn the village in order to save it...nt SidDithers Mar 2019 #148
Not all burned villages get saved and the harm to folks would be a horrific. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #164
He lost my primary support Liberalhammer Mar 2019 #159
All I know, there is no incentive for me to vote for someone in the primaries who appointed three still_one Mar 2019 #166
+1 Kahuna7 Mar 2019 #259
This is making the perfect the enemy of the good thinking Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #176
If we could get all or nothing.... LakeArenal Mar 2019 #180
We'd have nothing. betsuni Mar 2019 #189
"Single payer" wouldn't have passed, even with Democrats in the majority in both houses.... George II Mar 2019 #190
Sanders' new national press secretary weighs in on twitter: George II Mar 2019 #191
So what are the 20 million Americans at risk? RandySF Mar 2019 #192
Seemingly. Sad that for some people "politics" is a binary choice. George II Mar 2019 #193
I called it Last Night.. Cha Mar 2019 #200
I'll pass on BG's "Incrementalism is both a electoral & moral loser." Cha Mar 2019 #223
Yes, I agree, will pass on whatever she means by that. George II Mar 2019 #232
This message was self-deleted by its author Eric J in MN Mar 2019 #206
Bernie's point is that he's for Medicare for All. Eric J in MN Mar 2019 #207
Don't try to explain BS.. we know what he said.. Cha Mar 2019 #216
He helped write that "incremental" ACA. betsuni Mar 2019 #237
He said that he wouldn't support it, to me that's "no": George II Mar 2019 #242
Bernie has been in Congress since 1991 Eric J in MN Mar 2019 #268
Then, why did he co-sponsor the Senate version? TwilightZone Mar 2019 #250
Then he and I are quite done. susanna Mar 2019 #208
+1000000000000 betsuni Mar 2019 #209
Thank you, betsuni. susanna Mar 2019 #211
Anyone who can sit back and watch millions of Americans suffer and die for lack of health insurance workinclasszero Mar 2019 #212
OK, then explain to me the mechanism in how MFA works. susanna Mar 2019 #213
"The ACA is REAL. It is the LAW." workinclasszero Mar 2019 #217
I explained this in my post. susanna Mar 2019 #219
So you understand then why the ACA is a false savior for millions of Americans workinclasszero Mar 2019 #224
Of course I understand the support - who doesn't want it?! susanna Mar 2019 #226
It's amusing that this country can charge a trillion and a half dollars to throw at billionaires workinclasszero Mar 2019 #234
Well said. susanna Mar 2019 #244
As I explained to you in another post.. Cha Mar 2019 #215
So how much longer do millions of Americans have to wait until we get real healthcare for all? workinclasszero Mar 2019 #221
I'll go with the Wisdom of the House Dems on this.. Cha Mar 2019 #225
So much this. susanna Mar 2019 #228
I'm so sorry for what Cha Mar 2019 #214
Thank you so much, Cha. susanna Mar 2019 #218
Exactly, susanna.. Cha Mar 2019 #220
No, I'm in Michigan. :) susanna Mar 2019 #222
Aha! I had to ask.. Cha Mar 2019 #227
I'm jealous! susanna Mar 2019 #231
lol.. that's very Cha Mar 2019 #235
It's a beautiful state. susanna Mar 2019 #245
Nice talking to you, too, Cha Mar 2019 #263
Here are all the details, including summaries, the text of the comprehensive bill, lapucelle Mar 2019 #230
Mahalo, Ms Researcher! Cha Mar 2019 #233
Thank you, lapucelle... susanna Mar 2019 #266
I am so very sorry about your sister -- and glad that the ACA gave you a little peace of mind. pnwmom Mar 2019 #270
Thank you, pnwmom. susanna Mar 2019 #272
From Prof Krugman Gothmog Mar 2019 #243
"..he really needs to walk this back, clearly and unambiguously." Cha Mar 2019 #264
So when it comes time to actually HELP people and protect them he says NO! NOT PURE ENOUGH Maru Kitteh Mar 2019 #246
I prefer progress over purity with no results myself. Amimnoch Mar 2019 #253
Yeah, BS says he'll Cha Mar 2019 #265
Fair weather friend. ucrdem Mar 2019 #267
From the Hoarse Whisperer Gothmog Mar 2019 #271
Every time this thread gets kicked to the top, it makes me angry all over again... NurseJackie Mar 2019 #273
 

JI7

(91,311 posts)
1. maybe he doesn't understand it
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 08:45 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,783 posts)
55. Maybe Bernie DOES & understands that single-payer MFA is the ONLY solution to guaranteeing the right
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 10:00 PM
Mar 2019

to healthcare for every inhabitant of this county.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
91. So, having NO health care is better than an inferior one?
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 05:20 AM
Mar 2019

Last edited Thu Mar 28, 2019, 08:18 AM - Edit history (1)

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
97. It's BS. for him it's all or nothing.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 07:09 AM
Mar 2019

If he'd have had his way, there would have been no ACA to begin with for us to build upon should we take back the Senate and POTUS. He did ultimately vote with the Democratic Party to pass the ACA, but not without all the griping and insults to the Democratic Party for which he is famed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

enid602

(9,171 posts)
138. Russia
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 11:34 AM
Mar 2019

Interesting how Bernie’s suddenly become more cavalier about not supporting traditional dem causes now that the Russia investigation is over.

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NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
168. It isn't, of course
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 04:30 PM
Mar 2019

And Bernie knows that. But he's pushed HIS health care idea for so long and so loudly that he will not budge, even if it means millions of Americans losing their health care. He knows damn well what would happen, but his giant ego won't let him compromise.

Bernie is ALWAYS right.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
108. A single-payer MFA will never pass. So why not support something that will pass?
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 08:40 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,783 posts)
112. Yup, I gotcha... they said the same thing about the Civil Rights Act.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 09:31 AM
Mar 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Join the revolution!!!
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Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
117. No they didn't.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 10:17 AM
Mar 2019

So tell me, what's the point of not supporting a current bill in the House that could get us CLOSER to "M4A"? And how does Sanders propose to get his bill through the Senate?

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
131. +1000. No way it can even start the process until we have the house, Senate and WH.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 10:57 AM
Mar 2019

In the mean time, voting against protections for people who are sick and rely on the ACA is the opposite of advocating for health care.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,783 posts)
182. ACA only goes away if MFA passes to replace it... it's not single payer or nothing.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 05:54 PM
Mar 2019

So, let's at least get everyone on the record to see where they stand... with people suffering in desperate need of healthcare in this country, who Bernie is advocating for, or the greedy health insurance companies, which are profiting off of people's misery and not even adequately serving their needs


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
184. Again, we're not getting the Senate back any time soon, let alone SCOTUS.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 06:05 PM
Mar 2019

And even if the CBO gives it an acceptable score, and even if we have the Senate and the WH and Congress and SCOTUS, what makes you think we are going to replace the ACA with something that promises to upend the health care system far more than the ACA? Getting the ACA with all three was a massive accomplishment on the part of Pelosi, and it had to be phased in, and while it was being phased in, SCOTUS put a knife it its side by striking down the Medicaid expansion requirement.



But I'll bite - what is the timeframe for MFA to be completed in the event of the planets once again aligning, and how does it impact current coverage during implementation?

What is your timeframe for Roberts, Gorsuch, Thomas, Kavanaugh and Alito to be replaced with more liberal justices?

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George II

(67,782 posts)
229. He introduced it in 2017, do you know the status of it? Hearings, committee votes, floor votes?
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 05:10 AM
Mar 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,783 posts)
249. Criticize Bernie all you like... his ideas are catching on for a reason.
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 01:39 PM
Mar 2019

You're welcome to jump on the bandwagon anytime... there's always room for one more.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
251. I'll support the law we currently have and also support improving it. Not hitching my wagon...
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 01:51 PM
Mar 2019

...to a horse that doesn't seem to be going anywhere any time soon.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
130. Senator Sanders is no LBJ. And Sanders doesn't have an MLK making the case to the public.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 10:54 AM
Mar 2019

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LBJ was an effective, team player who also knew where the bodies were buried.

He had the respect of fellow Senators, and had the skill to persuade in addition to simply scolding.

LBJ had skills that Senator Sanders does not have.

You also don't seem to know much about the proccess by which the Great Society legislation came into existence. If you think that it started working right away...


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George II

(67,782 posts)
135. Using this analogy, it's like being against Brown vs. Board of Education because....
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 11:05 AM
Mar 2019

.....we didn't have the civil rights act yet.

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Demsrule86

(71,038 posts)
152. Millions of people are going to be hurt. And the civil rights bill was negotiated.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 02:54 PM
Mar 2019

This is one reason why I don't think Sanders will be our nominee.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,783 posts)
179. Riiiight! Like all those tens of millions who will be given their constitutional right to healthcare
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 05:45 PM
Mar 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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Demsrule86

(71,038 posts)
183. It would come too late for my daughter who will not survive until 2020
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 06:00 PM
Mar 2019

Without healthcare so spare me the greater good arguments. I think they are nonsense. You work with what is possible.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
188. It's as though the focus is to banish pharma and insurance companies, and people getting health care
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 06:21 PM
Mar 2019

is a secondary outcome.

I'm no fan of unregulated private insurance or pharma, but if it's a choice between actually getting UHC sooner by expanding on what we have in the ACA (which we know won't disrupt health care delivery,) and refusing to go foward with anything but MFA, which will not stand up if challenged all the way to SCOTUS, I'll take getting actual people actual care now.

If we were starting from scratch, that would be different, but that train left the station in the Truman administration. We had a chance again in 74, with a plan that Nixon put forth that was actually to the left of the ACA, but Democrats told Teddy Kennedy to walk away from anything but single payer.

It was one of Kennedy's biggest career regrets, because it made the perfect the enemy of the possible, and we might have something much closer to what the rest of the developed world has now. How many lives could have been saved, and how many people would have gotten care if only he hadn't said "single payer or bust."

We have another chance not to fuck it up with the ACA. It might be decades before we can get it to what we need, but we're at least on the road.

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Demsrule86

(71,038 posts)
198. You said it better than I did.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 08:14 PM
Mar 2019

If we lose the ACA We lose health care for a long time.

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Maru Kitteh

(29,586 posts)
203. Your daughter and my youngest are to be collateral damage in the eyes of THE REVOLUTION
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 12:22 AM
Mar 2019

I guess we're supposed to be happy to give them up "in order to bring THE REVOLUTION™" or so we are told.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
238. I think that some people believe that THE REVOLUTION will be exempt
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 07:12 AM
Mar 2019

from any of the negative consequences, disruption and backlash that always come with revolutions - as we learned emancipation, prohibition, desegregation, and Roe v Wade.






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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
186. With current SCOTUS lineup? Riiiiiight.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 06:12 PM
Mar 2019

The ACA got a limb ripped off by SCOTUS when they struck down medicaid expansion as a requirement.

And you think that they're going to let MFA stand? They have Gorsuch and Kavanaugh and Roberts who are going to be there for decades.

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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
261. Can you support that allegation with objective evidence?
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 02:52 PM
Mar 2019

Or is it simply throwing more stuff at the wall in hopes it sticks?

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lark

(24,526 posts)
256. Because it's about him and not about sick people
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 02:06 PM
Mar 2019

That's always the play with this guy.

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Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
113. So it is the perfect is the enemy of the good?
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 09:40 AM
Mar 2019
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kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
114. It's a dream.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 09:41 AM
Mar 2019

Our chances of taking the Senate are about 1 in 100. Single payer won't pass Congress but other reforms could very well pass, given the growing pressure the public is putting on Congress about healthcare.

Bernie aims for the moon. His enthusiasm is understandable, but single payer is a dream, at least for several years.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
122. In the meantime, people get sick, have pre-existing conditions, etc. What about them?
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 10:35 AM
Mar 2019

Even if we take back WH AND the Senate in 2020, if Senator Sanders' bill gets a cost analysis from the CBO that's acceptable to the public, and then reaches the floor, refusing to support and strengthen the ACA protections that are keeping many people alive isn't going to help those people until then. In fact, the opposite.

Then it will take years, if not decades, after all that to transition and implement fully.

This sadly appears to be political theatre leading up to elections at the potential expense of people's health care NOW. I thought the primary goal of progressives was to get health care to people who need it in the soonest, most effective way possible, and not be predicated on validating a particular political brand/getting rid of health insurance companies.

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R B Garr

(17,518 posts)
139. Excellent post, and this is what it is--inexcusable political
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 11:37 AM
Mar 2019

theater. Sanders has been all or nothing for decades, and again it will be nothing at the expense of those who fought for and actually attained something.

After watching his performance on Hayes show, his motives for continuing to undermine Democrats who are working to keep the ACA are more than angering. There is no excuse for it. The midterms were won by focusing on the ACA. Those are the facts.

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Demsrule86

(71,038 posts)
153. MFA will be demonized in the general. No one should run on it.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 03:00 PM
Mar 2019

And there are serious obstacles too.

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Kahuna7

(2,531 posts)
262. I agree 100%. If I were running, I would call M4A a mere slogan and suggest
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 06:53 PM
Mar 2019

that Medicaid is a more practical solution. Medicare is for seniors and they will not want it tampered with. Bernie polls very poorly with the over 50 crowd.

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Demsrule86

(71,038 posts)
274. Yep and it means universal care which is the goal.
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 10:49 AM
Mar 2019
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yardwork

(65,420 posts)
127. It isn't the only solution, and I would expect an experienced senator to know better.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 10:46 AM
Mar 2019
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Demsrule86

(71,038 posts)
149. No it isn't. MFA is not likely to work as 0nly 17% of people are for it when told work place
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 02:40 PM
Mar 2019

Insurance is going away. We will be tossed out of office and get nothing. Sanders needs to consider the millions some who would die. This is why I vote for Democrats...this is too important to screw up.

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True Blue American

(18,361 posts)
151. Bernie just said
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 02:53 PM
Mar 2019

Single Payer would NEVER PASS!

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Demsrule86

(71,038 posts)
154. But he still won't vote for the only Healthcare that is possible?
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 03:02 PM
Mar 2019
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True Blue American

(18,361 posts)
157. That is what he said!
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 03:06 PM
Mar 2019

Last edited Thu Mar 28, 2019, 05:58 AM - Edit history (1)

Today. Who knows tomorrow?

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Demsrule86

(71,038 posts)
158. Dear God. I hope this now makes those that support him in the primary
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 03:10 PM
Mar 2019

Last edited Wed Mar 27, 2019, 04:25 PM - Edit history (1)

reconsider,

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SleeplessinSoCal

(9,866 posts)
196. Bernie is way too set in "his ways".
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 08:05 PM
Mar 2019

I heard Hayes give him ample opportunity to be less rigid and open to a problem he wont acknowledge - he is not close to having the Senate back his bill.

Thankfully AOC sees things more practicality.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,783 posts)
202. Yeah... he only wants everyone in this country to have healthcare, as is their right.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 11:38 PM
Mar 2019

What an outrage!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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MrsCoffee

(5,825 posts)
240. And if he can't get that for us today (he can't), then we deserve nothing?
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 08:11 AM
Mar 2019

Come on, you can’t really believe that. Can’t you stop for one second and see how wrong this is?

This will affect millions of people TODAY, some who will die with nothing waiting for this promise he can’t fulfill anytime soon.

Ffs.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,783 posts)
248. Yeah I believe in nothing as the alternative... why make that up?
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 01:34 PM
Mar 2019

You can make a better argument than that!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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MrsCoffee

(5,825 posts)
257. Not exactly what I said or meant.
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 02:10 PM
Mar 2019

I was saying that Bernie's position on the Chris Hayes show was that he believes it should be MFA or nothing.

I don't think you believe that, which is why I said "you can't really believe that".

But Bernie's answers seemed very callous.

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SleeplessinSoCal

(9,866 posts)
255. and he needs to make it clear that Insurance will still be available.
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 02:04 PM
Mar 2019

It's the only way to make it Constitutional. Repugs will take his idea down if he doesn't do that. And since we're already there, he needs to help shore up the ACA. But for now he wont do that.

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sandensea

(22,850 posts)
258. +1
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 02:10 PM
Mar 2019

Voters are ready for Medicare For All.

Reich-wingers are hopeless, and trying to find "common ground" with them is a fool's errand.

And the rest are much less likely to support anything incremental, than they were a decade ago.

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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
260. It's fun (and certainly ethically convenient) to pretend there's only one solution
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 02:51 PM
Mar 2019

to any given problem, but mathematics denies your unsupported premise.

Much as 2+2=4, it also equals 6-2 and -98+4.

But I get it... math and science are easily overlooked when our sacred cows demand that of us.

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pnwmom

(109,719 posts)
269. Why? It's not the only solution in Canada, Germany, or Switzerland,
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 04:09 AM
Mar 2019

and everyone in those countries has guaranteed healthcare.

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Demsrule86

(71,038 posts)
165. Maybe. But still question whether anyone should vote for him in a primary.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 03:41 PM
Mar 2019
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dalton99a

(86,306 posts)
11. Pretty damn cruel
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 08:53 PM
Mar 2019

Millions of Americans are alive/not bankrupt because of the ACA





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Demsrule86

(71,038 posts)
150. I don't understand is Sanders willing to have no deal since there is sno way we get MFA
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 02:51 PM
Mar 2019

Without the Senate and presidency. This can't be true.

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BannonsLiver

(18,648 posts)
123. Purity Nurse Jackie. Must. Have. Purity.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 10:35 AM
Mar 2019
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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
134. What good purpose does "all or nothing" serve when it means we get "nothing"?
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 11:04 AM
Mar 2019

I guess I understand how a politician can be motivated by his (or her) PERSONAL VANITY and the desire to boast to their constituents that he (or she) "didn't compromise" and "stood up for what's right" (blah, blah blah) but the politician's ego gets in the way of the FACT that something is better than nothing.

Personally, if a politician calls himself (or herself) "progressive"... then I expect to see PROGRESS. I expect to see that politician's willingness to find common ground, be willing to compromise, and to make PROGRESS.

The "all or nothing" philosophy is a stupid and unreasonable approach that only causes MORE suffering.

Why would ANYONE pursue a course that CAUSES MORE SUFFERING???

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TomSlick

(12,142 posts)
3. I heard the interview.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 08:47 PM
Mar 2019

Sen. Sanders' comments made no sense. Essentially, he was saying he wants it all or nothing. I suppose that if the uninsured die, that's just the price to be paid in the name of policy purity. Sen. Sanders lost points with me tonight.

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JI7

(91,311 posts)
5. then why hasn't he passed it all in his many years in office ?
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 08:50 PM
Mar 2019
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TomSlick

(12,142 posts)
12. As I understood him,
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 08:57 PM
Mar 2019

he admitted that his plan to completely rework the health care system by eliminating private health insurance was currently unobtainable. Nevertheless, he is opposed to incremental steps like repairing the ACA or Medicare by-in. It really did sound like an argument that the system needs to completely collapse so it can be rebuilt.

I was listening reasonably closely and understand the issue as well as most. If I misunderstood Sen. Sanders, he really needs to clarify his position.

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dogman

(6,073 posts)
22. My take,
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:03 PM
Mar 2019

Neither is going to pass. So fight for what you want now. You don't negotiate away your position on a talk show, I wish more would realize that.

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LuvLoogie

(7,753 posts)
36. So says a millionaire who qualifies for medicare
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:16 PM
Mar 2019

Can we finally dispense with the notion that this guy qualifies as a Democrat. He's as bad as Jill Stein or Glen Greenwald.

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Demsrule86

(71,038 posts)
156. If that is his plan why would any Democrat vote for him in a primary?
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 03:06 PM
Mar 2019
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MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
95. All or nothing
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 06:08 AM
Mar 2019

Is the platform of his supporters. It seems in line with everything about the independent Senator from Vermont.

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Cha

(307,131 posts)
4. Because, of course, he doesn't.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 08:48 PM
Mar 2019
I'm glad he's not running things. Too divisive.
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Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
6. He knows it's time to go all in on Medicare for All. No more Incrementalism,especially with Trump
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 08:50 PM
Mar 2019

aiming to eliminate the ACA lock stock and barrel. You can't improve something that Trump and the SCOTUS may wipe from the books.

It's time to be bold my fellow Democrats!

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Undecided
 

RandySF

(71,859 posts)
10. And let Americans pay the price with their lives in the meantime?
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 08:53 PM
Mar 2019
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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,872 posts)
15. This bill isn't going anywhere with the current senate or president.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 08:59 PM
Mar 2019

No one is going to live or die based on this bill.

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Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
45. So? The bottom line is he's not prepared to support the position of the Democratic Party.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:24 PM
Mar 2019
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
62. Exactly. And he has no viable alternative, he admitted as much. nt
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 10:50 PM
Mar 2019
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
61. So can Bernie's alternative pass?
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 10:49 PM
Mar 2019

It is all about living in the world as it is my friend.

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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,872 posts)
69. The world as it is means that bill or any other bill passed by Democrats is going nowhere in...
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 11:07 PM
Mar 2019

... this Senate or Oval Office. So people screaming Bernie is killing children can cool their jets.

I’ll ask again, why should Bernie support their symbolic bill when he has his own symbolic bill? He’s hell bent on Medicare For All. Full stop. No distractions.

Keep in mind Bernie voted for the ACA when it actually counted. Because that vote mattered and it was the best we could get at the time. And Bernie wasn’t one of a couple “good Democrat’s” trying to water the bill down either.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
72. So if neither the democrats' bill or Bernie's plan now have a chance,
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 11:12 PM
Mar 2019

why doesn't Bernie simply chill and focus on campaigning? As it is, he is needlessly poking a finger in the democrats' eye.

I want to see Bernie on a debate stage opposite Pete Buttigieg, that is going to be a game changer, IMO.

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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,872 posts)
74. That's exactly what he is doing. He's sticking to his message.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 11:22 PM
Mar 2019

Hayes even chuckled and acknowledged Sanders’ point that the bill wasn’t going to be brought up in the senate.

When asked several times if he was supporting it he pivoted to what he was supporting. And they both acknowledged this house bill was going nowhere.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
100. Did he even introduce "his" bill in the Senate yet? What were the votes for/against it?
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 08:02 AM
Mar 2019

The fact is that NO "Medicare for All" bill is going to pass, forms of it have been introduced for just about every year for decades going back the 1940s. How many have passed?

On the other hand the ACA has passed. It can be improved upon.

The Empire State Building wasn't built in one shot. First the foundation, then the first floor, etc. up to the 102nd floor.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,783 posts)
88. Well said!!
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 03:04 AM
Mar 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Join the revolution!!!
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Demsrule86

(71,038 posts)
167. No, nor should it. It would paint those who vote for it socialist.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 04:28 PM
Mar 2019
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WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
67. They are as Sanders helps Republicans promote the image that...
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 11:03 PM
Mar 2019

Progressive legislation is bad.

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WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
71. It's not that funny.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 11:11 PM
Mar 2019

He has a history of things like this. For example, voting with republicans against a pathway to citizenship.

He sounds like a detached multimillionaire with quality healthcare.

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Demsrule86

(71,038 posts)
170. My 22 year old daughter will not survive if the ACA goes down. She can't be without
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 04:41 PM
Mar 2019

Insurance and has a pre-existing. I feel Sanders's position further endangers the ACA with nothing to replace it with, I will never forgive him if this gives the GOP an out...could Hurt our 2020 chances. It is hard enough with Trump trying to end the ACA.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
137. So opposing a bill that is going nowhere is OK now, because the bill is futile?
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 11:26 AM
Mar 2019

As I recall Cory Booker got flamebroiled here on DU when he voted against a symbolic amendment that Sanders promoted concerning drugs from Canada.

Even though there was no way it would pass.

TOTALLY different this time because Bernie.



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Demsrule86

(71,038 posts)
171. It gives the GOP cover and helps Trump.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 04:43 PM
Mar 2019
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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,872 posts)
174. Umm
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 04:55 PM
Mar 2019

I don’t know if this is a vote you want to bring up in this context.


The Senate voted down the amendment 52-46, with two senators not voting. Unusually, the vote was not purely along party lines: 13 Republicans joined Sanders and a majority of Democrats in supporting the amendment, while 13 Democrats and a majority of Republicans opposed it.
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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,783 posts)
254. Yeah but it sounds more horrendous sensational to accuse Bernie and his policies of killing people.
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 01:58 PM
Mar 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
18. If It no longer exists there's nothing to improve upon. Drumpf will get his way.Time to go all in.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:00 PM
Mar 2019

He's going after the ACA like never before under Barr.

The Justice Department now believes the entire Affordable Care Act is unconstitutional

https://www.law.com/nationallawjournal/2019/03/25/in-reversal-doj-now-says-whole-aca-unconstitutional/?slreturn=20190226215654





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Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
129. Wow. You sound positively giddy over people losing their healthcare.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 10:52 AM
Mar 2019

1) The ACA exists. This isn't up for debate. There is no debate. It exists.
2) Just because the DOJ is going all in on repeal doesn't mean shit - it's still up to the same Supreme Court that ruled in 2012 it was constitutional.
3) I can't stress this enough - IT IS CURRENTLY STILL THE LAW. It will likely still remain the law. Bernie's turn on the ACA means he's advocating against a law that helps millions of Americans. He is openly joining Trump is pushing to eliminate health coverage for a good amount of Americans.
4) Even if it was repealed, please tell me how Mr. Sanders, who has no substantial legislation to his name as either a congressman or a senator, expects to pass Medicare for All with a Republican Senate?

Let's call a spade a spade - Bernie is playing politics with peoples' lives.

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TomSlick

(12,142 posts)
28. That seemed to be the plan.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:05 PM
Mar 2019

Tear the system down - sure some people die but there will be public pressure to get something done. Susan Sarandon would get her revolution after all.

I hope I misunderstood Sen. Sanders (although I don't think I did) and that he clarifies his statements.

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Celerity

(47,847 posts)
35. plus 30 million ( the amount who will lose coverage if Rump wins in the SCOTUS)
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:16 PM
Mar 2019

so so sick of the Berner's purity bullshit

people are going to fucking DIE

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dubyadiprecession

(6,652 posts)
107. I guess BS doesn't care about that aspect.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 08:39 AM
Mar 2019
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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,872 posts)
14. Not to mention this bill, or any other bill strengthening ACA, is DOA in the senate and Oval Office.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 08:58 PM
Mar 2019

Medicare For All is the message for 2020. What’s the point in a symbolic half measure?

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Demsrule86

(71,038 posts)
160. We don't know that. The Gop is taking heat and this gives the GOP coverage.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 03:11 PM
Mar 2019
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Trenzalore

(2,575 posts)
25. I have some bad news for you
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:04 PM
Mar 2019

Best case scenario the democrats win the Senate and the White House in 2020.

You still aren't getting Medicare for All.

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Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
30. Don't be so pessimistic. We'll get there. Especially if Trump is dumb enough to kill the ACA.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:06 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Trenzalore

(2,575 posts)
31. I was around in 2009-2010
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:08 PM
Mar 2019

Much more politically active than. Not as much now.

The democrats killed the public option not the republicans. You don't have enough votes in the democratic caucus for Medicare for all let alone a 60 vote majority in the Senate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Eko

(8,866 posts)
49. Actually,,,,,
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:33 PM
Mar 2019

Lieberman as an independent killed it.

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watoos

(7,142 posts)
50. Joe Lieberman, running as an Independent,
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:35 PM
Mar 2019

killed the public option.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Trenzalore

(2,575 posts)
51. He was the Democratic nominee for VP in 2000
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:38 PM
Mar 2019

We cannot disown Lieberman after putting him on the ticket.

If he hadn't done it Max Baucus or Evan Bayh would have stepped up.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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True Blue American

(18,361 posts)
155. Oh, yes we can disinherit Lieberman!
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 03:04 PM
Mar 2019

I did when he backed McCain, helped Max Baucus and Grassley torpedo the Single Payer.

Finally both parties dumped him. Then he became an Insurance Lobbyist. His wife already was one!

Oh, yes, Joe Lieberman was disinherited long ago!

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
133. It's not 'pessimism." If Trump gets help killing the ACA from 'progressives,' that's the opposite
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 11:04 AM
Mar 2019

of advocating for health care for the people.

And beyond dumb.

MFA, won't even get a vote until we get the Senate and WH back, even if it does get a CBO score that's acceptable. And even then it will take YEARS after that to transition the health care system.

Don't you think that the ACA would have been put in place all at once, rather that incrementally if that was even remotely possible?

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Demsrule86

(71,038 posts)
161. That is not true. We get nothing if Trump kills the ACA. THE Senate is tough for us,
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 03:13 PM
Mar 2019

Look at the map.

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Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
181. I wouldn't bet on that one anymore.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 05:54 PM
Mar 2019

Since the tRumpublicons hadn’t done everything they did to wreck the fillibuster, I’d have to agree. However, now, if we regain the Senate, I hope whomever our majority leader is just a loose with the nuclear option as that jackass Mitchy.

I want to hear their screams of anger as we trample them down.

I hope if there’s any investigations into any of our members, our own POTUS appointed AG gets to delivery a short summary without releasing.

I want to see fucking executive orders and national emergencies called on guns to stop shootings, climate change, treatment of immigrants, police shootings of innocent minorities, etc.. etc.. etc..

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
132. There is no way other than incrementally to retrofit the health care system in this country.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 10:59 AM
Mar 2019

Be as "bold" as you want, but there isn't any way to do this, no matter what a politician running for office promises you.

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MrsCoffee

(5,825 posts)
241. And yet you tried to push another article in GD that said he would support strengthening it.
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 08:17 AM
Mar 2019

After this post even!

Which was proven false with his own words.

How can you push both narratives at once and expect anyone to take you seriously?

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Power 2 the People

(2,437 posts)
252. Don't be ridiculous. I posted an article from the Huffington Post. I DIDN'T WRITE THE ARTICLE
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 01:52 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

dalton99a

(86,306 posts)
7. Same ol' Bernie or Bust - Me or Nothing
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 08:50 PM
Mar 2019
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highplainsdem

(53,861 posts)
9. He came across as unreasonable, especially compared to Pete Buttigieg, who was interviewed next.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 08:53 PM
Mar 2019
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Celerity

(47,847 posts)
38. YES
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:18 PM
Mar 2019

Ditch the Bern, go for the Buttigieg

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Stuart G

(38,726 posts)
64. Again, this is a perfect example of Bernie creating division in the Democratic Party.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 10:54 PM
Mar 2019

...If he is argumentative to a point that he wants "all or nothing" then he fails the test of leadership. Incremental steps are very important in achieving goals. Look at the civil rights battle. It was incremental steps that won, not the all or nothing steps.
...Here, right now, Bernie is creating division among dedicated Democrats. No, He won't vote for a Democratic position because it won't "pass." ...Is this a team player? Answer that question please..

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kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
115. I don't think Bernie is all that interested in the Democrat Party.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 09:45 AM
Mar 2019

He's a "democrat" for the $$$, voter lists and visibility, especially the debates. Division helps his chances.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
63. I want the contrast to become plain in the first debate. nt
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 10:51 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(307,131 posts)
13. Yeah, so? NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT #ACA2 BEING THE END OF THE LINE.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 08:57 PM
Mar 2019
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SHRED

(28,136 posts)
16. He has healthcare
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 08:59 PM
Mar 2019

So it gives him the freedom to play politics with our lives apparently.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(71,038 posts)
172. Which is more than my kid will have if this causes us to lose the ACA. WHAT
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 04:46 PM
Mar 2019

if Robert's thinks the Democratsi don't want it either.

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Joe Biden
 

dlk

(12,557 posts)
17. There Are Some People Who Become Much More Stubborn as They Age
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:00 PM
Mar 2019
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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dalton99a

(86,306 posts)
20. Again, similarities to the current White House are eerie
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:01 PM
Mar 2019
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dogman

(6,073 posts)
26. And some would negotiate away half of their position on a talk show.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:04 PM
Mar 2019

Bernie is smarter than that.

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Undecided
 

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,872 posts)
32. And there are adults who know this symbolic bill is going nowhere in the senate or Oval Office.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:11 PM
Mar 2019

We also know any repeal bills are DOA in The House.

ACA is not moving one way or the other in the legislature. Everyone knows that. There’s no reason Bernie should muddle his message for a symbolic go nowhere bill.

Bernie is campaigning on MFA. So are a few more candidates.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

RandySF

(71,859 posts)
34. "All or Nothing" gets people hurt. Period.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:15 PM
Mar 2019
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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,872 posts)
43. Walk me through how this bill does anything other than pass the house?
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:21 PM
Mar 2019

It won’t get brought up in the senate - you know, where Bernie votes.

Saying people are going to be hurt by this non vote is a bit dramatic, no?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(307,131 posts)
21. Beto: We will defend the ACA. We will protect the care of those whose lives depend on it.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:02 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Trenzalore

(2,575 posts)
23. He could never be an effective President
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:03 PM
Mar 2019

He has no concept of making things better instead of failing trying to make things perfect.

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Undecided
 

Maru Kitteh

(29,586 posts)
204. " He has no concept of making things better instead of failing trying to make things perfect."
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 12:26 AM
Mar 2019

OMG that is OUTSTANDING.

WELL SAID.

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Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
239. Being an effective POTUS involves working well with others, and
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 07:17 AM
Mar 2019

not treating anyone who disagrees (or fact checks) as being corrupt or a corporate shill.

We've seen enough of that with the current POTUS.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

greatauntoftriplets

(177,226 posts)
27. And what are people supposed to do in the meantime?
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:05 PM
Mar 2019

Looks like its his way or the highway.

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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,872 posts)
33. You aware the republicans hold the senate and the presidency.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:15 PM
Mar 2019

What is this bill going to accomplish in the meantime? Tell me how this tides us over?

We pass a bill in the house? Then what?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
41. It's known as "party loyalty" and solidarity. The fact that just hours before he said that....
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:19 PM
Mar 2019

....trump and "his" justice department filed to invalidate the entire ACA means nothing to him?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

RandySF

(71,859 posts)
80. So it's ok to bail on it?
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 01:06 AM
Mar 2019

What a message to send to the resistance.

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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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George II

(67,782 posts)
37. Sadly, I'm not all that surprised with the answer. What DOES surprise me is Hayes' acknowledging...
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:17 PM
Mar 2019

....the answer to the question they way that he did.

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Joe Biden
 

Cha

(307,131 posts)
42. That was a pleasant surprise.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:19 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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OhZone

(3,216 posts)
39. That's why he withdrew his support from Hillarycare.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:18 PM
Mar 2019

If more people had supported it back then, why might even have single payer by now.

Oh well.

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Joe Biden
 

R B Garr

(17,518 posts)
141. Exactly! It was the same BS back then. All or nothing
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 11:42 AM
Mar 2019

decades ago, all or nothing now. This is a very good look into the character as you see what he is willing to sacrifice for unattainable ideals. Thirty years is a lot of progress down the drain from Hillarycare.

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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(307,131 posts)
40. He also just threw the House Dems under the bus...including many who presumably support BOTH
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:19 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jalan48

(14,661 posts)
47. He's doesn't support insurance industry healthcare. Pretty simple.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:27 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

comradebillyboy

(10,614 posts)
79. So he doesn't support thee health care that the vast
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 12:40 AM
Mar 2019

majority of working people have, employer subsidized private health insurance.

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Freddie

(9,788 posts)
89. That most of those people
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 03:40 AM
Mar 2019

Actually like and do not want replaced by something (single payer) that might not be as good as what they have now. But let’s hold out for all or nothing because that ALWAYS works, right?

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jalan48

(14,661 posts)
116. No, he supports a single payer plan that does not rely on employers providing a health care plan.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 10:03 AM
Mar 2019

Last edited Wed Mar 27, 2019, 11:40 AM - Edit history (1)

I agree with Bernie that health care is a right not a privilege.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

BannonsLiver

(18,648 posts)
124. You don't think healthcare is a right?
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 10:38 AM
Mar 2019

“I agree with Bernie that health care is a privilege, not a right.”

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

jalan48

(14,661 posts)
140. Thanks-I had it backwards. I need another cup of coffee.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 11:40 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,872 posts)
54. Charles (whoever that is) GABA tweeted a lie.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:53 PM
Mar 2019

Sanders said three times he wouldn’t support the house bill because he is supporting MEDICARE FOR ALL. When pressed if he would vote no for Medicare for ‘America’ in the senate he said “it ain’t gonna come up in the senate.” Hayes chuckled and agreed with him saying maybe Mitch McConnell will troll the Democrats.. @10:05

Thanks for posting the actual video mahalo!

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

betsuni

(27,447 posts)
57. "I helped write the Affordable Care Act. So I don't want somebody suggesting I'm trying to dismantle
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 10:07 PM
Mar 2019

legislation I helped write." Bernie Sanders in 2015, when he said his plans for single-payer health care were not based on dismantling the ACA but expanding and improving it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Cha

(307,131 posts)
81. BS sure flipped a switch.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 01:14 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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betsuni

(27,447 posts)
84. Not very consistent.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 01:28 AM
Mar 2019

Hard to keep track of. Hillary wrote that after the election, "We recently shared a smile and a sigh when we heard Bernie called for improving the Affordable Care Act immediately by embracing the approach that I proposed as a candidate: a public option in fifty states and lowering the Medicare age to fifty-five."

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Cha

(307,131 posts)
85. Wow.. I'm guessing sirota and briahna
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 01:31 AM
Mar 2019

wouldn't like that.

And, no worries for BS.. that's not "evolving".

Thanks for the quote, betsuni

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betsuni

(27,447 posts)
86. It's almost like he's a politician adjusting policy to changing conditions.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 01:45 AM
Mar 2019

Here's a quote from Paul Krugman: "You could argue that policy details are unimportant as long as a politician has the right values and character. As it happens, I don't agree. For one thing, a politician's policy specifics are often a very important clue to his or her character ... . For another, I consider a commitment to facing hard choices as opposed to taking the easy way out an important value in itself. But in any case, the way Mr. Sanders is now campaigning raises serious character and value issues."

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Cha

(307,131 posts)
87. Exactly, Paul Krugman! He gets it. Thank You
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 02:05 AM
Mar 2019

for this quote from him, betsuni

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betsuni

(27,447 posts)
90. You're welcome for the quotes and thank you for the tweets!
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 05:10 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

lapucelle

(19,701 posts)
94. I think Chris Hayes, like many former supporters, has moved on at this point. N/T
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 06:02 AM
Mar 2019


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Joe Biden
 

Cha

(307,131 posts)
59. Bernie won't support the Dems' efforts to bolster the ACA. Make no mistake: if the ACA goes
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 10:16 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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LuvLoogie

(7,753 posts)
53. Bernie resents the Democrats like a deadbeat boyfriend resents his girlfriend's parents.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:48 PM
Mar 2019

"Your folks are so bourgeoisie. Why do you have to work so much just to be like them? You could'a bought a used car. BTW I need to use it tonight. Did you fill it up?"

If I were to vote in a presidential
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SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
56. lol ... I was thinking of it as Bernie being resentful when his ex-girlfriend moves on from their
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 10:04 PM
Mar 2019

abusive relationship ...

Why are you going out with him? Btw, you're still fat, ugly and dumber than a box of rocks. You'd be so much better off with me. Why can't you see this?

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betsuni

(27,447 posts)
65. But Bernie is more of a Democrat than most Democrats, amirite?
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 10:57 PM
Mar 2019

Playing to his base. Repeat the magic words "Medicare-for-All." He keeps saying health care is a human right, but this is pure politics. Once you climb out on that limb of the ideology tree, there you are dangling.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
66. Being opposed to positive incremental change on an issue...
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 11:00 PM
Mar 2019

Is to stand in opposition to all positive change on an issue.

Most of us already understand this about him. It’s the exact reason so many progressives are strongly opposed to him. He is a hindrance to progress. He creates false narrative that the hard work of great people on the left is bad. It’s deceptive as he only does it for personal gain.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

peggysue2

(11,594 posts)
125. This is what happens . . .
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 10:38 AM
Mar 2019

when ideology blinds you to everything but 'my way or the highway.' The idea of progress and actual lives get lost in the mix. It's not unlike the theory that voting for Trump in 2016 would pave the way for 'Our Revolution.'

Think Susan Sarandon and her minions.

Because when you're living on a mountaintop, the carnage in the valley is very far away, the pain an abstract. You're not going to feel the discomfort; the sacrifice in healthcare or any other issue will be carried by others.

But the dream lives!

Voters need to remember this the next time Bernie supporters insist that Dems=Repugs, that leveling the whole system is actually a good thing because the road to paradise runs through destruction.

It doesn't.

We're witnessing that in real time: the populist fantasy. Doesn't matter whether it comes from the Left or the Right. The end note is always the same.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sheshe2

(89,528 posts)
187. When you take the progress out of progressive...
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 06:19 PM
Mar 2019

All you are left with is l’ve.

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Joe Biden
 

Starry Messenger

(32,376 posts)
68. He didn't even mention the ACA by name on his spot with Hayes tonight
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 11:04 PM
Mar 2019

Anyone refusing to run on Obama's record is going to lose

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided