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This Sanders answer whether he would support House Dem legislation to improve ACA is pretty interesting. He says "no" and says he doesn't support any incremental reforms, which is quite a departure from his record. He's voted for all kinds of incremental reforms including ACA
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

JI7
(91,311 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,783 posts)to healthcare for every inhabitant of this county.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Last edited Thu Mar 28, 2019, 08:18 AM - Edit history (1)

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(27,447 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)If he'd have had his way, there would have been no ACA to begin with for us to build upon should we take back the Senate and POTUS. He did ultimately vote with the Democratic Party to pass the ACA, but not without all the griping and insults to the Democratic Party for which he is famed.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Interesting how Bernies suddenly become more cavalier about not supporting traditional dem causes now that the Russia investigation is over.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)And Bernie knows that. But he's pushed HIS health care idea for so long and so loudly that he will not budge, even if it means millions of Americans losing their health care. He knows damn well what would happen, but his giant ego won't let him compromise.
Bernie is ALWAYS right.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,783 posts)
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Join the revolution!!!

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)So tell me, what's the point of not supporting a current bill in the House that could get us CLOSER to "M4A"? And how does Sanders propose to get his bill through the Senate?

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)In the mean time, voting against protections for people who are sick and rely on the ACA is the opposite of advocating for health care.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,783 posts)So, let's at least get everyone on the record to see where they stand... with people suffering in desperate need of healthcare in this country, who Bernie is advocating for, or the greedy health insurance companies, which are profiting off of people's misery and not even adequately serving their needs
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)And even if the CBO gives it an acceptable score, and even if we have the Senate and the WH and Congress and SCOTUS, what makes you think we are going to replace the ACA with something that promises to upend the health care system far more than the ACA? Getting the ACA with all three was a massive accomplishment on the part of Pelosi, and it had to be phased in, and while it was being phased in, SCOTUS put a knife it its side by striking down the Medicaid expansion requirement.
But I'll bite - what is the timeframe for MFA to be completed in the event of the planets once again aligning, and how does it impact current coverage during implementation?
What is your timeframe for Roberts, Gorsuch, Thomas, Kavanaugh and Alito to be replaced with more liberal justices?

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,783 posts)You're welcome to jump on the bandwagon anytime... there's always room for one more.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)...to a horse that doesn't seem to be going anywhere any time soon.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Last edited Wed Mar 27, 2019, 04:09 PM - Edit history (1)
LBJ was an effective, team player who also knew where the bodies were buried.
He had the respect of fellow Senators, and had the skill to persuade in addition to simply scolding.
LBJ had skills that Senator Sanders does not have.
You also don't seem to know much about the proccess by which the Great Society legislation came into existence. If you think that it started working right away...

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts).....we didn't have the civil rights act yet.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(47,847 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(71,038 posts)This is one reason why I don't think Sanders will be our nominee.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,783 posts)
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(71,038 posts)Without healthcare so spare me the greater good arguments. I think they are nonsense. You work with what is possible.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)is a secondary outcome.
I'm no fan of unregulated private insurance or pharma, but if it's a choice between actually getting UHC sooner by expanding on what we have in the ACA (which we know won't disrupt health care delivery,) and refusing to go foward with anything but MFA, which will not stand up if challenged all the way to SCOTUS, I'll take getting actual people actual care now.
If we were starting from scratch, that would be different, but that train left the station in the Truman administration. We had a chance again in 74, with a plan that Nixon put forth that was actually to the left of the ACA, but Democrats told Teddy Kennedy to walk away from anything but single payer.
It was one of Kennedy's biggest career regrets, because it made the perfect the enemy of the possible, and we might have something much closer to what the rest of the developed world has now. How many lives could have been saved, and how many people would have gotten care if only he hadn't said "single payer or bust."
We have another chance not to fuck it up with the ACA. It might be decades before we can get it to what we need, but we're at least on the road.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(71,038 posts)If we lose the ACA We lose health care for a long time.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Maru Kitteh
(29,586 posts)I guess we're supposed to be happy to give them up "in order to bring THE REVOLUTION" or so we are told.

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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)from any of the negative consequences, disruption and backlash that always come with revolutions - as we learned emancipation, prohibition, desegregation, and Roe v Wade.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)The ACA got a limb ripped off by SCOTUS when they struck down medicaid expansion as a requirement.
And you think that they're going to let MFA stand? They have Gorsuch and Kavanaugh and Roberts who are going to be there for decades.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Or is it simply throwing more stuff at the wall in hopes it sticks?

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lark
(24,526 posts)That's always the play with this guy.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Our chances of taking the Senate are about 1 in 100. Single payer won't pass Congress but other reforms could very well pass, given the growing pressure the public is putting on Congress about healthcare.
Bernie aims for the moon. His enthusiasm is understandable, but single payer is a dream, at least for several years.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(18,648 posts)

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Even if we take back WH AND the Senate in 2020, if Senator Sanders' bill gets a cost analysis from the CBO that's acceptable to the public, and then reaches the floor, refusing to support and strengthen the ACA protections that are keeping many people alive isn't going to help those people until then. In fact, the opposite.
Then it will take years, if not decades, after all that to transition and implement fully.
This sadly appears to be political theatre leading up to elections at the potential expense of people's health care NOW. I thought the primary goal of progressives was to get health care to people who need it in the soonest, most effective way possible, and not be predicated on validating a particular political brand/getting rid of health insurance companies.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(17,518 posts)theater. Sanders has been all or nothing for decades, and again it will be nothing at the expense of those who fought for and actually attained something.
After watching his performance on Hayes show, his motives for continuing to undermine Democrats who are working to keep the ACA are more than angering. There is no excuse for it. The midterms were won by focusing on the ACA. Those are the facts.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(71,038 posts)And there are serious obstacles too.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)that Medicaid is a more practical solution. Medicare is for seniors and they will not want it tampered with. Bernie polls very poorly with the over 50 crowd.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(71,038 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yardwork
(65,420 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(71,038 posts)Insurance is going away. We will be tossed out of office and get nothing. Sanders needs to consider the millions some who would die. This is why I vote for Democrats...this is too important to screw up.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Blue American
(18,361 posts)Single Payer would NEVER PASS!

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(71,038 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Blue American
(18,361 posts)Last edited Thu Mar 28, 2019, 05:58 AM - Edit history (1)
Today. Who knows tomorrow?

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(71,038 posts)Last edited Wed Mar 27, 2019, 04:25 PM - Edit history (1)
reconsider,

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,866 posts)I heard Hayes give him ample opportunity to be less rigid and open to a problem he wont acknowledge - he is not close to having the Senate back his bill.
Thankfully AOC sees things more practicality.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,783 posts)What an outrage!!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MrsCoffee
(5,825 posts)Come on, you cant really believe that. Cant you stop for one second and see how wrong this is?
This will affect millions of people TODAY, some who will die with nothing waiting for this promise he cant fulfill anytime soon.
Ffs.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,783 posts)You can make a better argument than that!!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MrsCoffee
(5,825 posts)I was saying that Bernie's position on the Chris Hayes show was that he believes it should be MFA or nothing.
I don't think you believe that, which is why I said "you can't really believe that".
But Bernie's answers seemed very callous.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,866 posts)It's the only way to make it Constitutional. Repugs will take his idea down if he doesn't do that. And since we're already there, he needs to help shore up the ACA. But for now he wont do that.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sandensea
(22,850 posts)Voters are ready for Medicare For All.
Reich-wingers are hopeless, and trying to find "common ground" with them is a fool's errand.
And the rest are much less likely to support anything incremental, than they were a decade ago.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)to any given problem, but mathematics denies your unsupported premise.
Much as 2+2=4, it also equals 6-2 and -98+4.
But I get it... math and science are easily overlooked when our sacred cows demand that of us.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pnwmom
(109,719 posts)and everyone in those countries has guaranteed healthcare.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(71,038 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)








primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(86,306 posts)Millions of Americans are alive/not bankrupt because of the ACA

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(71,038 posts)Without the Senate and presidency. This can't be true.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tymorial
(3,433 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BannonsLiver
(18,648 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I guess I understand how a politician can be motivated by his (or her) PERSONAL VANITY and the desire to boast to their constituents that he (or she) "didn't compromise" and "stood up for what's right" (blah, blah blah) but the politician's ego gets in the way of the FACT that something is better than nothing.
Personally, if a politician calls himself (or herself) "progressive"... then I expect to see PROGRESS. I expect to see that politician's willingness to find common ground, be willing to compromise, and to make PROGRESS.
The "all or nothing" philosophy is a stupid and unreasonable approach that only causes MORE suffering.
Why would ANYONE pursue a course that CAUSES MORE SUFFERING???

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TomSlick
(12,142 posts)Sen. Sanders' comments made no sense. Essentially, he was saying he wants it all or nothing. I suppose that if the uninsured die, that's just the price to be paid in the name of policy purity. Sen. Sanders lost points with me tonight.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JI7
(91,311 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TomSlick
(12,142 posts)he admitted that his plan to completely rework the health care system by eliminating private health insurance was currently unobtainable. Nevertheless, he is opposed to incremental steps like repairing the ACA or Medicare by-in. It really did sound like an argument that the system needs to completely collapse so it can be rebuilt.
I was listening reasonably closely and understand the issue as well as most. If I misunderstood Sen. Sanders, he really needs to clarify his position.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Neither is going to pass. So fight for what you want now. You don't negotiate away your position on a talk show, I wish more would realize that.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LuvLoogie
(7,753 posts)Can we finally dispense with the notion that this guy qualifies as a Democrat. He's as bad as Jill Stein or Glen Greenwald.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstatebluegirl
(12,559 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(71,038 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)Is the platform of his supporters. It seems in line with everything about the independent Senator from Vermont.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(307,131 posts)

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)aiming to eliminate the ACA lock stock and barrel. You can't improve something that Trump and the SCOTUS may wipe from the books.
It's time to be bold my fellow Democrats!

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
RandySF
(71,859 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,872 posts)No one is going to live or die based on this bill.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)It is all about living in the world as it is my friend.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,872 posts)... this Senate or Oval Office. So people screaming Bernie is killing children can cool their jets.
Ill ask again, why should Bernie support their symbolic bill when he has his own symbolic bill? Hes hell bent on Medicare For All. Full stop. No distractions.
Keep in mind Bernie voted for the ACA when it actually counted. Because that vote mattered and it was the best we could get at the time. And Bernie wasnt one of a couple good Democrats trying to water the bill down either.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)why doesn't Bernie simply chill and focus on campaigning? As it is, he is needlessly poking a finger in the democrats' eye.
I want to see Bernie on a debate stage opposite Pete Buttigieg, that is going to be a game changer, IMO.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,872 posts)Hayes even chuckled and acknowledged Sanders point that the bill wasnt going to be brought up in the senate.
When asked several times if he was supporting it he pivoted to what he was supporting. And they both acknowledged this house bill was going nowhere.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)The fact is that NO "Medicare for All" bill is going to pass, forms of it have been introduced for just about every year for decades going back the 1940s. How many have passed?
On the other hand the ACA has passed. It can be improved upon.
The Empire State Building wasn't built in one shot. First the foundation, then the first floor, etc. up to the 102nd floor.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,783 posts)
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Join the revolution!!!

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(71,038 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)Progressive legislation is bad.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,872 posts)Yeah, no.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)He has a history of things like this. For example, voting with republicans against a pathway to citizenship.
He sounds like a detached multimillionaire with quality healthcare.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(71,038 posts)Insurance and has a pre-existing. I feel Sanders's position further endangers the ACA with nothing to replace it with, I will never forgive him if this gives the GOP an out...could Hurt our 2020 chances. It is hard enough with Trump trying to end the ACA.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)As I recall Cory Booker got flamebroiled here on DU when he voted against a symbolic amendment that Sanders promoted concerning drugs from Canada.
Even though there was no way it would pass.
TOTALLY different this time because Bernie.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(71,038 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,872 posts)I dont know if this is a vote you want to bring up in this context.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,783 posts)
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)He's going after the ACA like never before under Barr.
The Justice Department now believes the entire Affordable Care Act is unconstitutional
https://www.law.com/nationallawjournal/2019/03/25/in-reversal-doj-now-says-whole-aca-unconstitutional/?slreturn=20190226215654

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)1) The ACA exists. This isn't up for debate. There is no debate. It exists.
2) Just because the DOJ is going all in on repeal doesn't mean shit - it's still up to the same Supreme Court that ruled in 2012 it was constitutional.
3) I can't stress this enough - IT IS CURRENTLY STILL THE LAW. It will likely still remain the law. Bernie's turn on the ACA means he's advocating against a law that helps millions of Americans. He is openly joining Trump is pushing to eliminate health coverage for a good amount of Americans.
4) Even if it was repealed, please tell me how Mr. Sanders, who has no substantial legislation to his name as either a congressman or a senator, expects to pass Medicare for All with a Republican Senate?
Let's call a spade a spade - Bernie is playing politics with peoples' lives.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TomSlick
(12,142 posts)Tear the system down - sure some people die but there will be public pressure to get something done. Susan Sarandon would get her revolution after all.
I hope I misunderstood Sen. Sanders (although I don't think I did) and that he clarifies his statements.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(47,847 posts)so so sick of the Berner's purity bullshit
people are going to fucking DIE

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dubyadiprecession
(6,652 posts)

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,872 posts)Medicare For All is the message for 2020. Whats the point in a symbolic half measure?

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(71,038 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Trenzalore
(2,575 posts)Best case scenario the democrats win the Senate and the White House in 2020.
You still aren't getting Medicare for All.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Trenzalore
(2,575 posts)Much more politically active than. Not as much now.
The democrats killed the public option not the republicans. You don't have enough votes in the democratic caucus for Medicare for all let alone a 60 vote majority in the Senate.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Eko
(8,866 posts)Lieberman as an independent killed it.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
watoos
(7,142 posts)killed the public option.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Trenzalore
(2,575 posts)We cannot disown Lieberman after putting him on the ticket.
If he hadn't done it Max Baucus or Evan Bayh would have stepped up.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided


primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Blue American
(18,361 posts)I did when he backed McCain, helped Max Baucus and Grassley torpedo the Single Payer.
Finally both parties dumped him. Then he became an Insurance Lobbyist. His wife already was one!
Oh, yes, Joe Lieberman was disinherited long ago!

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)of advocating for health care for the people.
And beyond dumb.
MFA, won't even get a vote until we get the Senate and WH back, even if it does get a CBO score that's acceptable. And even then it will take YEARS after that to transition the health care system.
Don't you think that the ACA would have been put in place all at once, rather that incrementally if that was even remotely possible?

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(71,038 posts)Look at the map.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Since the tRumpublicons hadnt done everything they did to wreck the fillibuster, Id have to agree. However, now, if we regain the Senate, I hope whomever our majority leader is just a loose with the nuclear option as that jackass Mitchy.
I want to hear their screams of anger as we trample them down.
I hope if theres any investigations into any of our members, our own POTUS appointed AG gets to delivery a short summary without releasing.
I want to see fucking executive orders and national emergencies called on guns to stop shootings, climate change, treatment of immigrants, police shootings of innocent minorities, etc.. etc.. etc..

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Be as "bold" as you want, but there isn't any way to do this, no matter what a politician running for office promises you.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(71,038 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,825 posts)After this post even!
Which was proven false with his own words.
How can you push both narratives at once and expect anyone to take you seriously?

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dalton99a
(86,306 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden


primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(53,861 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(47,847 posts)Ditch the Bern, go for the Buttigieg

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Stuart G
(38,726 posts)...If he is argumentative to a point that he wants "all or nothing" then he fails the test of leadership. Incremental steps are very important in achieving goals. Look at the civil rights battle. It was incremental steps that won, not the all or nothing steps.
...Here, right now, Bernie is creating division among dedicated Democrats. No, He won't vote for a Democratic position because it won't "pass." ...Is this a team player? Answer that question please..

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)He's a "democrat" for the $$$, voter lists and visibility, especially the debates. Division helps his chances.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(307,131 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SHRED
(28,136 posts)So it gives him the freedom to play politics with our lives apparently.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(71,038 posts)if Robert's thinks the Democratsi don't want it either.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dlk
(12,557 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(86,306 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,825 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dogman
(6,073 posts)Bernie is smarter than that.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,872 posts)We also know any repeal bills are DOA in The House.
ACA is not moving one way or the other in the legislature. Everyone knows that. Theres no reason Bernie should muddle his message for a symbolic go nowhere bill.
Bernie is campaigning on MFA. So are a few more candidates.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
RandySF
(71,859 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,872 posts)It wont get brought up in the senate - you know, where Bernie votes.
Saying people are going to be hurt by this non vote is a bit dramatic, no?

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(307,131 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Trenzalore
(2,575 posts)He has no concept of making things better instead of failing trying to make things perfect.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Perfectly described.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Maru Kitteh
(29,586 posts)OMG that is OUTSTANDING.
WELL SAID.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)not treating anyone who disagrees (or fact checks) as being corrupt or a corporate shill.
We've seen enough of that with the current POTUS.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
greatauntoftriplets
(177,226 posts)Looks like its his way or the highway.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,872 posts)What is this bill going to accomplish in the meantime? Tell me how this tides us over?
We pass a bill in the house? Then what?

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)....trump and "his" justice department filed to invalidate the entire ACA means nothing to him?

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RandySF
(71,859 posts)What a message to send to the resistance.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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George II
(67,782 posts)....the answer to the question they way that he did.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(307,131 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OhZone
(3,216 posts)If more people had supported it back then, why might even have single payer by now.
Oh well.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(17,518 posts)decades ago, all or nothing now. This is a very good look into the character as you see what he is willing to sacrifice for unattainable ideals. Thirty years is a lot of progress down the drain from Hillarycare.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(307,131 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jalan48
(14,661 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
comradebillyboy
(10,614 posts)majority of working people have, employer subsidized private health insurance.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Freddie
(9,788 posts)Actually like and do not want replaced by something (single payer) that might not be as good as what they have now. But lets hold out for all or nothing because that ALWAYS works, right?

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jalan48
(14,661 posts)Last edited Wed Mar 27, 2019, 11:40 AM - Edit history (1)
I agree with Bernie that health care is a right not a privilege.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BannonsLiver
(18,648 posts)I agree with Bernie that health care is a privilege, not a right.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jalan48
(14,661 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(158,041 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(307,131 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,872 posts)Sanders said three times he wouldnt support the house bill because he is supporting MEDICARE FOR ALL. When pressed if he would vote no for Medicare for America in the senate he said it aint gonna come up in the senate. Hayes chuckled and agreed with him saying maybe Mitch McConnell will troll the Democrats.. @10:05
Thanks for posting the actual video mahalo!

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(27,447 posts)legislation I helped write." Bernie Sanders in 2015, when he said his plans for single-payer health care were not based on dismantling the ACA but expanding and improving it.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(307,131 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(27,447 posts)Hard to keep track of. Hillary wrote that after the election, "We recently shared a smile and a sigh when we heard Bernie called for improving the Affordable Care Act immediately by embracing the approach that I proposed as a candidate: a public option in fifty states and lowering the Medicare age to fifty-five."

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(307,131 posts)wouldn't like that.
And, no worries for BS.. that's not "evolving".
Thanks for the quote, betsuni

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(27,447 posts)Here's a quote from Paul Krugman: "You could argue that policy details are unimportant as long as a politician has the right values and character. As it happens, I don't agree. For one thing, a politician's policy specifics are often a very important clue to his or her character ... . For another, I consider a commitment to facing hard choices as opposed to taking the easy way out an important value in itself. But in any case, the way Mr. Sanders is now campaigning raises serious character and value issues."

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(307,131 posts)for this quote from him, betsuni

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(27,447 posts)

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(19,701 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(307,131 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LuvLoogie
(7,753 posts)"Your folks are so bourgeoisie. Why do you have to work so much just to be like them? You could'a bought a used car. BTW I need to use it tonight. Did you fill it up?"

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)abusive relationship ...
Why are you going out with him? Btw, you're still fat, ugly and dumber than a box of rocks. You'd be so much better off with me. Why can't you see this?

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Blue American
(18,361 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(27,447 posts)Playing to his base. Repeat the magic words "Medicare-for-All." He keeps saying health care is a human right, but this is pure politics. Once you climb out on that limb of the ideology tree, there you are dangling.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(89,528 posts)

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)Is to stand in opposition to all positive change on an issue.
Most of us already understand this about him. Its the exact reason so many progressives are strongly opposed to him. He is a hindrance to progress. He creates false narrative that the hard work of great people on the left is bad. Its deceptive as he only does it for personal gain.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(11,594 posts)when ideology blinds you to everything but 'my way or the highway.' The idea of progress and actual lives get lost in the mix. It's not unlike the theory that voting for Trump in 2016 would pave the way for 'Our Revolution.'
Think Susan Sarandon and her minions.
Because when you're living on a mountaintop, the carnage in the valley is very far away, the pain an abstract. You're not going to feel the discomfort; the sacrifice in healthcare or any other issue will be carried by others.
But the dream lives!
Voters need to remember this the next time Bernie supporters insist that Dems=Repugs, that leveling the whole system is actually a good thing because the road to paradise runs through destruction.
It doesn't.
We're witnessing that in real time: the populist fantasy. Doesn't matter whether it comes from the Left or the Right. The end note is always the same.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(89,528 posts)All you are left with is lve.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Starry Messenger
(32,376 posts)Anyone refusing to run on Obama's record is going to lose

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided