
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 08:22 AM
sagesnow (2,721 posts)
I was speaking with an Independent voter today and
she does not see the difference between Biden's family nepotism with Hunter in the Ukraine and Trump's family nepotism.
I think it will be hard for many voters in the General election to distinguish the two and may cost us the election.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
45 replies, 3080 views
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Author | Time | Post |
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sagesnow | Dec 2019 | OP |
Hav | Dec 2019 | #1 | |
BeyondGeography | Dec 2019 | #9 | |
Amimnoch | Dec 2019 | #10 | |
BeyondGeography | Dec 2019 | #13 | |
Amimnoch | Dec 2019 | #15 | |
BeyondGeography | Dec 2019 | #25 | |
Amimnoch | Dec 2019 | #35 | |
BeyondGeography | Dec 2019 | #19 | |
Hav | Dec 2019 | #12 | |
NYMinute | Dec 2019 | #21 | |
ret5hd | Dec 2019 | #2 | |
phleshdef | Dec 2019 | #3 | |
ForEverGlades | Dec 2019 | #38 | |
phleshdef | Dec 2019 | #39 | |
barbtries | Dec 2019 | #4 | |
TCJ70 | Dec 2019 | #5 | |
bitterross | Dec 2019 | #6 | |
sagesnow | Dec 2019 | #8 | |
ret5hd | Dec 2019 | #16 | |
NYMinute | Dec 2019 | #22 | |
LanternWaste | Dec 2019 | #29 | |
myohmy2 | Dec 2019 | #7 | |
NYMinute | Dec 2019 | #23 | |
yonder | Dec 2019 | #28 | |
50 Shades Of Blue | Dec 2019 | #11 | |
lark | Dec 2019 | #14 | |
Act_of_Reparation | Dec 2019 | #17 | |
50 Shades Of Blue | Dec 2019 | #18 | |
Act_of_Reparation | Dec 2019 | #32 | |
50 Shades Of Blue | Dec 2019 | #36 | |
Act_of_Reparation | Dec 2019 | #41 | |
LanternWaste | Dec 2019 | #20 | |
LongtimeAZDem | Dec 2019 | #24 | |
NRaleighLiberal | Dec 2019 | #26 | |
Turbineguy | Dec 2019 | #27 | |
MaryMagdaline | Dec 2019 | #30 | |
scheming daemons | Dec 2019 | #31 | |
highplainsdem | Dec 2019 | #33 | |
Alhena | Dec 2019 | #34 | |
UniteFightBack | Dec 2019 | #37 | |
Hortensis | Dec 2019 | #40 | |
The Mouth | Dec 2019 | #42 | |
David__77 | Dec 2019 | #43 | |
BannonsLiver | Dec 2019 | #44 | |
Doremus | Dec 2019 | #45 |
Response to sagesnow (Original post)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 08:29 AM
Hav (5,967 posts)
1. Sure, "People are saying"...
Explain the nepotism. I'm sure you have proof for it. Unless Joe Biden had direct influence to get Hunter a job there then it's not nepotism. But sadly, too many on both sides are too stupid and too willing to accept rightwing propaganda without any proof.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Hav (Reply #1)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 09:12 AM
BeyondGeography (38,561 posts)
9. Hunter himself has said if his last name wasn't Biden he wouldn't have gotten that gig
plus a lot of other things that have come his way in life. Points for honesty on his part but it does speak to the issue in the OP.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #9)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 09:19 AM
Amimnoch (4,558 posts)
10. You might want to look up "Nepotism" sometime.
What Donald Trump does with his family - Nepotism
Hunter Biden getting employment in a company completely unaffiliated with his family, but does have influence due to name recognition? - not Nepotism. I do get your point though. It sure isn’t a far cry from actual Nepotism. I’m not sure what the proper word for that would be.. where a person gains employment or a position as a result of their name recognition, and not actual resume/education/work experience. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Amimnoch (Reply #10)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 09:41 AM
BeyondGeography (38,561 posts)
13. The semantics don't matter
MBNA will be dredged up, too. Mutual back scratching, insiderism, call it what you will. Trump will make Hunter Joe’s running mate and it will be a nonstop shit show. As it will for whomever we nominate. Biden can weather it if he checks his feelings at the door and emphasizes this:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/10/13/biden-family-involved-foreign-operation-sot-vpx.cnn ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #13)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:02 AM
Amimnoch (4,558 posts)
15. Semantics don't matter?!?!
I beg to differ.. given “alternate facts”.. fake “fake news”.. Semantics, actual facts, and accuracy in detail has never been more important.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Amimnoch (Reply #15)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:31 AM
BeyondGeography (38,561 posts)
25. That's a pretty sad evasion
Care to respond to the actual point of how Trump will leverage Hunter?
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #25)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 11:23 AM
Amimnoch (4,558 posts)
35. That's a pretty insulting attack.
I have made the conscious decision not to engage in the modern right-wing style of personal attacks that is flooding society.
So, no, I don’t think I do. Good day. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #13)
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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #9)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 09:33 AM
Hav (5,967 posts)
12. That's not nepotism
To name an example, creating a think tank and using the donations to give your son a 6 figure job is a way better case for nepotism.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Hav (Reply #12)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:26 AM
NYMinute (3,256 posts)
21. Bingo!! nt
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to sagesnow (Original post)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 08:32 AM
ret5hd (18,925 posts)
2. Well, OK. I guess we can all quit and go home now then.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to sagesnow (Original post)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 08:35 AM
phleshdef (11,936 posts)
3. She is a moron. Joe never hired his kids for anything.
I don't give a flying fuck what this hayseed independent voter thinks.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to phleshdef (Reply #3)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:28 PM
ForEverGlades (64 posts)
38. Wow
Don't care about the independent hayseed vote, eh?
Hmmm...so maybe the eventual nominee shouldn't campaign in rural areas of WI, MI, PA, OH and IA. Something sounds familiar here. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to ForEverGlades (Reply #38)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:31 PM
phleshdef (11,936 posts)
39. " Don't care about the independent hayseed vote, eh?" No, I'm sick of sucking up to people who...
...will never change. They sit around all day and cram their brains full of Fox News horse shit and can stand there and tell you that Trump is a decent person with a straight face. Done with them.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to sagesnow (Original post)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 08:36 AM
barbtries (27,271 posts)
4. did you ask
if there's no difference, why is it okay for trump's family and not the Bidens'?
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to sagesnow (Original post)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 08:39 AM
TCJ70 (4,387 posts)
5. People get jobs because of connections all the time...
...and there isn’t anything illegal about it. Unethical? Depends on the context. Nepotism is a weak argument.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to sagesnow (Original post)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 08:49 AM
bitterross (4,066 posts)
6. Anecdotal stories do not necessarily reflect broader thought
So, your independent voter friend is not well-informed. There is a huge difference between the Bidens and the Trumps. If they cannot see that then they are not paying attention.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to bitterross (Reply #6)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 09:09 AM
sagesnow (2,721 posts)
8. She is visiting from out of state and is usually apolitical
and I was surprised at how much she was aware of the Hunter Biden - Ukraine connection.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to sagesnow (Reply #8)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:04 AM
ret5hd (18,925 posts)
16. Very cool story. Looking forward to the novel.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to ret5hd (Reply #16)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:27 AM
NYMinute (3,256 posts)
22. and the movie of course! nt
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to sagesnow (Reply #8)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:44 AM
LanternWaste (37,748 posts)
29. Setup and exposition were effective.
But Act II's rising action and confrontation seem somewhat lacking (you did however, get Plot Point Two in there, albeit awkwardly).
I'm looking forward to Resolution, Climax and Denouement. That's what separates the chaff from the wheat!!! ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to sagesnow (Original post)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 08:52 AM
myohmy2 (3,030 posts)
7. +1
...something to think about...and
... ![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to myohmy2 (Reply #7)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:29 AM
NYMinute (3,256 posts)
23. Creating a think tank, funding it with donations and hiring an unqualified son
while paying him a 6 figure salary ....
Who did that? ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to NYMinute (Reply #23)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:40 AM
yonder (8,553 posts)
28. I'm curious too. I can guess but the think tank part throws me.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to sagesnow (Original post)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 09:20 AM
50 Shades Of Blue (8,244 posts)
11. The only thing that may cost us the election is the same thing that
Cost us the 2016 election. Russian interference.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to 50 Shades Of Blue (Reply #11)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 09:57 AM
lark (22,202 posts)
14. Bazinga!
Russian operatives and russian repugs working together to hack & steal an election is what I fear. If drumpf isn't removed, these treasonous efforts will spin up a million times higher than now. He's already taken steps to reduce his exposure because he has no plans to stop until he's dictator for life and then can retire and hand the USA over to his daughter to continue our destruction and Russia's uplifting.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to 50 Shades Of Blue (Reply #11)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:11 AM
Act_of_Reparation (8,842 posts)
17. If anything is going to cost us any election in the future...
...it's that kind of myopic thinking.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #17)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:19 AM
50 Shades Of Blue (8,244 posts)
18. It's exactly what happened last time and election security is still a problem.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to 50 Shades Of Blue (Reply #18)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 11:08 AM
Act_of_Reparation (8,842 posts)
32. No, it isn't "exactly what happened last time"
Several things happened last time. The Russians were just one of those things.
We made mistakes last time, as well. Mistakes we should learn from and not repeat. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #32)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:14 PM
50 Shades Of Blue (8,244 posts)
36. Putin ensured that Trump got elected. Democrats' "mistakes" were irrelevant.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to 50 Shades Of Blue (Reply #36)
Thu Dec 26, 2019, 09:50 AM
Act_of_Reparation (8,842 posts)
41. I can make groundless assertions, too.
Ice cream cures cancer; Motor oil is the best fertilizer; Once upon a time, a dead carpenter hopped out of his grave and played hide and seek with humanity for the next two millennia; and so on.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to sagesnow (Original post)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:26 AM
LanternWaste (37,748 posts)
20. We should take time to educate the ignorant.
Regardless of whether it's ignorance of politics, or merely ignorance of crafting a plausible work of fiction.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to sagesnow (Original post)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:31 AM
LongtimeAZDem (4,494 posts)
24. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid
who’s going with a girl who thinks Warren's native American thing will disqualify her.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to sagesnow (Original post)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:32 AM
NRaleighLiberal (58,235 posts)
26. it really must hurt the brains of lots of people to actually think.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to sagesnow (Original post)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:36 AM
Turbineguy (35,833 posts)
27. I have found that Independents
are Republicans who think of themselves as "not crazy".
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to sagesnow (Original post)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 11:05 AM
MaryMagdaline (6,670 posts)
30. You were speaking to a Republican who pretends to be an Independent
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to sagesnow (Original post)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 11:08 AM
scheming daemons (25,487 posts)
31. Nepotism means Biden hired his son
So with that lie in your OP exposed,why should we believe the rest of your story?
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to sagesnow (Original post)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 11:09 AM
highplainsdem (43,220 posts)
33. The only people who feel that way are RWers who get their "info" from Faux News and other RW sources
and the Democratic nominee isn't likely to get those votes anyway.
But your concern is noted. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to sagesnow (Original post)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 11:13 AM
Alhena (2,931 posts)
34. Yeah well, the "Pocahantas" talk will be everywhere in right wing circles if Warren's the nominee
and that doesn't exactly look good either. We don't have a squeaky clean potential nominee.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to sagesnow (Original post)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:16 PM
UniteFightBack (8,231 posts)
37. Biden did not INSTALL his son ANYWHERE....unlike the dumps. If she doesn't see the difference then
it's because she doesn't want to.
Did YOU explain the god damn difference? ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to sagesnow (Original post)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 04:41 PM
Hortensis (55,683 posts)
40. :) Buck up, Sagesnow. The midterms suggest a majority
of Americans are not at all as willfully and shamefully dishonest as that person. If those win it'll only be through massive election theft.
Sigh. I wish there were a way to allow those sorts to sow their wind and reap the whirlwinds of their own creation. I'd gladly stop rescuing disgusting people who've degraded to their worst political selves and let them enjoy their consequences. If only. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to sagesnow (Original post)
Thu Dec 26, 2019, 10:07 AM
The Mouth (2,821 posts)
42. It's the very reason Trump's been hammering at this
even at the risk of impeachment.
If the average uninformed voter sees enough smoke they assume there must be fire somewhere. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to The Mouth (Reply #42)
Thu Dec 26, 2019, 04:02 PM
David__77 (21,456 posts)
43. That's how something or someone can become "controversial."
...
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to sagesnow (Original post)
Thu Dec 26, 2019, 04:21 PM
BannonsLiver (14,888 posts)
44. Truly independent voters are a myth
Like Mermaids and Big Foot.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to sagesnow (Original post)
Thu Dec 26, 2019, 04:26 PM
Doremus (7,255 posts)
45. This is true.
I hesitate to speak politics with my customers but one brought up the subject of impeachment a few days ago. His first point was Hunter Biden's involvement in Ukraine, and when I pointed out 1) every board of directors in America is filled with cronies like this, and 2) Trump has him beat x 3 kids, he pivoted and went straight for Hillary's emails. Ugh.
Biden is far from the no-brainer that a lot of people seem to think, sad to say. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |