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Fri Dec 20, 2019, 08:22 AM

 

I was speaking with an Independent voter today and

she does not see the difference between Biden's family nepotism with Hunter in the Ukraine and Trump's family nepotism.
I think it will be hard for many voters in the General election to distinguish the two and may cost us the election.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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Reply I was speaking with an Independent voter today and (Original post)
sagesnow Dec 2019 OP
Hav Dec 2019 #1
BeyondGeography Dec 2019 #9
Amimnoch Dec 2019 #10
BeyondGeography Dec 2019 #13
Amimnoch Dec 2019 #15
BeyondGeography Dec 2019 #25
Amimnoch Dec 2019 #35
BeyondGeography Dec 2019 #19
Hav Dec 2019 #12
NYMinute Dec 2019 #21
ret5hd Dec 2019 #2
phleshdef Dec 2019 #3
ForEverGlades Dec 2019 #38
phleshdef Dec 2019 #39
barbtries Dec 2019 #4
TCJ70 Dec 2019 #5
bitterross Dec 2019 #6
sagesnow Dec 2019 #8
ret5hd Dec 2019 #16
NYMinute Dec 2019 #22
LanternWaste Dec 2019 #29
myohmy2 Dec 2019 #7
NYMinute Dec 2019 #23
yonder Dec 2019 #28
50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2019 #11
lark Dec 2019 #14
Act_of_Reparation Dec 2019 #17
50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2019 #18
Act_of_Reparation Dec 2019 #32
50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2019 #36
Act_of_Reparation Dec 2019 #41
LanternWaste Dec 2019 #20
LongtimeAZDem Dec 2019 #24
NRaleighLiberal Dec 2019 #26
Turbineguy Dec 2019 #27
MaryMagdaline Dec 2019 #30
scheming daemons Dec 2019 #31
highplainsdem Dec 2019 #33
Alhena Dec 2019 #34
UniteFightBack Dec 2019 #37
Hortensis Dec 2019 #40
The Mouth Dec 2019 #42
David__77 Dec 2019 #43
BannonsLiver Dec 2019 #44
Doremus Dec 2019 #45

Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 08:29 AM

1. Sure, "People are saying"...

 

Explain the nepotism. I'm sure you have proof for it. Unless Joe Biden had direct influence to get Hunter a job there then it's not nepotism. But sadly, too many on both sides are too stupid and too willing to accept rightwing propaganda without any proof.
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Response to Hav (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 09:12 AM

9. Hunter himself has said if his last name wasn't Biden he wouldn't have gotten that gig

 

plus a lot of other things that have come his way in life. Points for honesty on his part but it does speak to the issue in the OP.
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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 09:19 AM

10. You might want to look up "Nepotism" sometime.

 

What Donald Trump does with his family - Nepotism

Hunter Biden getting employment in a company completely unaffiliated with his family, but does have influence due to name recognition? - not Nepotism.

I do get your point though. It sure isn’t a far cry from actual Nepotism. I’m not sure what the proper word for that would be.. where a person gains employment or a position as a result of their name recognition, and not actual resume/education/work experience.
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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 09:41 AM

13. The semantics don't matter

 

MBNA will be dredged up, too. Mutual back scratching, insiderism, call it what you will. Trump will make Hunter Joe’s running mate and it will be a nonstop shit show. As it will for whomever we nominate. Biden can weather it if he checks his feelings at the door and emphasizes this:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/10/13/biden-family-involved-foreign-operation-sot-vpx.cnn
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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:02 AM

15. Semantics don't matter?!?!

 

I beg to differ.. given “alternate facts”.. fake “fake news”.. Semantics, actual facts, and accuracy in detail has never been more important.
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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:31 AM

25. That's a pretty sad evasion

 

Care to respond to the actual point of how Trump will leverage Hunter?
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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #25)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 11:23 AM

35. That's a pretty insulting attack.

 

I have made the conscious decision not to engage in the modern right-wing style of personal attacks that is flooding society.

So, no, I don’t think I do.

Good day.
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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 09:33 AM

12. That's not nepotism

 

To name an example, creating a think tank and using the donations to give your son a 6 figure job is a way better case for nepotism.
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Response to Hav (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:26 AM

21. Bingo!! nt

 

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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 08:32 AM

2. Well, OK. I guess we can all quit and go home now then.

 

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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 08:35 AM

3. She is a moron. Joe never hired his kids for anything.

 

I don't give a flying fuck what this hayseed independent voter thinks.
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Response to phleshdef (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:28 PM

38. Wow

 

Don't care about the independent hayseed vote, eh?
Hmmm...so maybe the eventual nominee shouldn't campaign in rural areas of WI, MI, PA, OH and IA.
Something sounds familiar here.
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Response to ForEverGlades (Reply #38)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:31 PM

39. " Don't care about the independent hayseed vote, eh?" No, I'm sick of sucking up to people who...

 

...will never change. They sit around all day and cram their brains full of Fox News horse shit and can stand there and tell you that Trump is a decent person with a straight face. Done with them.
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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 08:36 AM

4. did you ask

 

if there's no difference, why is it okay for trump's family and not the Bidens'?
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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 08:39 AM

5. People get jobs because of connections all the time...

 

...and there isn’t anything illegal about it. Unethical? Depends on the context. Nepotism is a weak argument.
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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 08:49 AM

6. Anecdotal stories do not necessarily reflect broader thought

 

So, your independent voter friend is not well-informed. There is a huge difference between the Bidens and the Trumps. If they cannot see that then they are not paying attention.
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Response to bitterross (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 09:09 AM

8. She is visiting from out of state and is usually apolitical

 

and I was surprised at how much she was aware of the Hunter Biden - Ukraine connection.
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Response to sagesnow (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:04 AM

16. Very cool story. Looking forward to the novel.

 

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Response to ret5hd (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:27 AM

22. and the movie of course! nt

 

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Response to sagesnow (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:44 AM

29. Setup and exposition were effective.

 

But Act II's rising action and confrontation seem somewhat lacking (you did however, get Plot Point Two in there, albeit awkwardly).

I'm looking forward to Resolution, Climax and Denouement. That's what separates the chaff from the wheat!!!
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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 08:52 AM

7. +1

 

...something to think about...and





...
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Response to myohmy2 (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:29 AM

23. Creating a think tank, funding it with donations and hiring an unqualified son

 

while paying him a 6 figure salary ....

Who did that?
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Response to NYMinute (Reply #23)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:40 AM

28. I'm curious too. I can guess but the think tank part throws me.

 

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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 09:20 AM

11. The only thing that may cost us the election is the same thing that

 

Cost us the 2016 election. Russian interference.
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Response to 50 Shades Of Blue (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 09:57 AM

14. Bazinga!

 

Russian operatives and russian repugs working together to hack & steal an election is what I fear. If drumpf isn't removed, these treasonous efforts will spin up a million times higher than now. He's already taken steps to reduce his exposure because he has no plans to stop until he's dictator for life and then can retire and hand the USA over to his daughter to continue our destruction and Russia's uplifting.
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Response to 50 Shades Of Blue (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:11 AM

17. If anything is going to cost us any election in the future...

 

...it's that kind of myopic thinking.
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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #17)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:19 AM

18. It's exactly what happened last time and election security is still a problem.

 

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Response to 50 Shades Of Blue (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 11:08 AM

32. No, it isn't "exactly what happened last time"

 

Several things happened last time. The Russians were just one of those things.

We made mistakes last time, as well. Mistakes we should learn from and not repeat.
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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #32)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:14 PM

36. Putin ensured that Trump got elected. Democrats' "mistakes" were irrelevant.

 

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Response to 50 Shades Of Blue (Reply #36)

Thu Dec 26, 2019, 09:50 AM

41. I can make groundless assertions, too.

 

Ice cream cures cancer; Motor oil is the best fertilizer; Once upon a time, a dead carpenter hopped out of his grave and played hide and seek with humanity for the next two millennia; and so on.
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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:26 AM

20. We should take time to educate the ignorant.

 

Regardless of whether it's ignorance of politics, or merely ignorance of crafting a plausible work of fiction.
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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:31 AM

24. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid

 

who’s going with a girl who thinks Warren's native American thing will disqualify her.
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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:32 AM

26. it really must hurt the brains of lots of people to actually think.

 

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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:36 AM

27. I have found that Independents

 

are Republicans who think of themselves as "not crazy".
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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 11:05 AM

30. You were speaking to a Republican who pretends to be an Independent

 

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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 11:08 AM

31. Nepotism means Biden hired his son

 

So with that lie in your OP exposed,why should we believe the rest of your story?
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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 11:09 AM

33. The only people who feel that way are RWers who get their "info" from Faux News and other RW sources

 

and the Democratic nominee isn't likely to get those votes anyway.

But your concern is noted.
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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 11:13 AM

34. Yeah well, the "Pocahantas" talk will be everywhere in right wing circles if Warren's the nominee

 

and that doesn't exactly look good either. We don't have a squeaky clean potential nominee.
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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:16 PM

37. Biden did not INSTALL his son ANYWHERE....unlike the dumps. If she doesn't see the difference then

 

it's because she doesn't want to.

Did YOU explain the god damn difference?
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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2019, 04:41 PM

40. :) Buck up, Sagesnow. The midterms suggest a majority

 

of Americans are not at all as willfully and shamefully dishonest as that person. If those win it'll only be through massive election theft.

Sigh. I wish there were a way to allow those sorts to sow their wind and reap the whirlwinds of their own creation. I'd gladly stop rescuing disgusting people who've degraded to their worst political selves and let them enjoy their consequences. If only.
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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Thu Dec 26, 2019, 10:07 AM

42. It's the very reason Trump's been hammering at this

 

even at the risk of impeachment.

If the average uninformed voter sees enough smoke they assume there must be fire somewhere.

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Response to The Mouth (Reply #42)

Thu Dec 26, 2019, 04:02 PM

43. That's how something or someone can become "controversial."

 

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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Thu Dec 26, 2019, 04:21 PM

44. Truly independent voters are a myth

 

Like Mermaids and Big Foot.
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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Thu Dec 26, 2019, 04:26 PM

45. This is true.

 

I hesitate to speak politics with my customers but one brought up the subject of impeachment a few days ago. His first point was Hunter Biden's involvement in Ukraine, and when I pointed out 1) every board of directors in America is filled with cronies like this, and 2) Trump has him beat x 3 kids, he pivoted and went straight for Hillary's emails. Ugh.

Biden is far from the no-brainer that a lot of people seem to think, sad to say.
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