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SunSeeker

(52,353 posts)
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 12:55 AM Dec 2019

Winners and losers from the December Democratic debate

Winners

Joe Biden: I’ve had him as a loser in just about every debate thus far. He’s been halting, often confused and hasn’t shown himself to be the kind of debater Democrats will want going toe-to-toe with President Trump. Thursday night was better. It wasn’t flawless, but he kept things on the rails, had flashes of good humor, and was deft with tough moments he could see approaching, including about his age.

He dealt particularly well with the toughest question he got, which was about a recent Washington Post report on how leaders, including those in the Obama administration, misled the country about the status of the war in Afghanistan. He said he argued against nation-building there and emphasized disagreements with the Pentagon about things like the troops surge. And he’s got documents to back that up. He had previously struggled when asked to own particular elements of the Obama legacy, but not Thursday.

Biden also described how he connects with voters, including by talking like a child who stutters — something he struggled with when he was younger. President Trump’s former press secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, appeared to not pick up on what Biden was actually doing and ridiculed him on Twitter, which could be a lasting moment from this debate. Sanders later apologized and deleted that tweet.

Perhaps most importantly for him, as the candidate who leads almost all of the national polls — and has in recent weeks reasserted that lead — the other candidates mostly gave him a pass. Even when the topic was conducting high-dollar fundraisers, most of the heat was trained on South Bend, Ind. Mayor Pete Buttigieg, and when Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.) seemed to want to press the issue on Biden, he was bypassed. Suddenly, we saw the Joe Biden who dealt with Paul D. Ryan in the 2012 vice presidential debate. Will he stick around, though?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/19/winners-losers-december-democratic-debate/

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Winners and losers from the December Democratic debate (Original Post) SunSeeker Dec 2019 OP
K&R nt NYMinute Dec 2019 #1
Interesting.. Losers: Bernie Sanders.. Cha Dec 2019 #2
being dismissive is one of bernie's major flaws IMO nt msongs Dec 2019 #7
I agree.. Cha Dec 2019 #8
Yes, I think this Biden PatSeg Dec 2019 #3
And, Biden has had a really Cha Dec 2019 #4
Joe is back in top form PatSeg Dec 2019 #5
And, I'm so wonderfully Cha Dec 2019 #6
Good to know. Mme. Defarge Dec 2019 #10
I really wasn't going to watch PatSeg Dec 2019 #18
im like you..but i didnt watch this one either. i dont like the confrontations. samnsara Dec 2019 #27
Most people don't like it PatSeg Dec 2019 #28
So glad to hear good reports coming out of the debate. I don't watch them, and quite frankly.... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2019 #9
I don't watch them, either, Tarheel.. Cha Dec 2019 #11
I'm right there with you Cha. I don't see the point in these monthly pissing contests. It only... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2019 #12
That's a good way to put it.. Cha Dec 2019 #13
biggest winner... myohmy2 Dec 2019 #14
NO.. the WaPO in the OP says BS was a "Loser".. Cha Dec 2019 #15
Was that his answer to education, women's issues,... TidalWave46 Dec 2019 #17
I could not believe that Mediate had Biden as a "loser". He looked great, strong and he WAS strong hlthe2b Dec 2019 #16
So wha't their agenda?! Cha Dec 2019 #19
No idea... hlthe2b Dec 2019 #20
They have BS in the Loser column.. Cha Dec 2019 #21
Yes, but I can only post 4 paragraphs in the OP. Thanks for your additions! SunSeeker Dec 2019 #22
Right.. I just wanted Cha Dec 2019 #23
LOL. Perfect. SunSeeker Dec 2019 #24
.. Cha Dec 2019 #25
Joe can walk into office and from MINUTE ONE...know his job and what to do next.. samnsara Dec 2019 #26
 

Cha

(300,315 posts)
2. Interesting.. Losers: Bernie Sanders..
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 01:19 AM
Dec 2019
Losers

Bernie Sanders on race, again: If there was one issue that dogged Sanders in his 2016 campaign against Hillary Clinton, it was his inability to appeal to minority voters. And for one striking moment on Thursday, that problem reared its ugly head

The candidates were asked about the declining diversity in their debate field, and when the question was presented to Sanders, he opted instead to try to talk return to a previous topic, climate change. Debate moderator Amna Nawaz of “PBS NewsHour” cut in, though. “Senator, with all respect, this question is about race. Can you answer the question as it was asked?”

The crowd roared. Sanders tried to rescue it by saying people of color would suffer from climate change, too, and then he offered some boilerplate about problems that plague minority communities. It was one moment, but it came just after the only minority candidate onstage, Andrew Yang, gave a detailed answer citing the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., and it briefly revived some old demons.

Sanders also, shortly thereafter, responded to a quote Barack Obama recently gave about old white men running countries. When debate moderator Tim Alberta noted Sanders was the oldest candidate onstage, Sanders interjected, “And I’m white, as well!” It wasn’t awful, but it may not have been the time to emphasize that.

I didn't see anymore Losers.. am I missing something?

Thank you, SunSeeker!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

msongs

(68,198 posts)
7. being dismissive is one of bernie's major flaws IMO nt
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 02:08 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatSeg

(49,061 posts)
3. Yes, I think this Biden
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 01:25 AM
Dec 2019

will stick around. He had a really good night and he looked presidential standing on that stage.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(300,315 posts)
4. And, Biden has had a really
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 01:40 AM
Dec 2019

great couple of months!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatSeg

(49,061 posts)
5. Joe is back in top form
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 01:47 AM
Dec 2019

This is the Joe who can win hearts and minds of American voters.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(300,315 posts)
6. And, I'm so wonderfully
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 01:55 AM
Dec 2019

grateful!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mme. Defarge

(8,205 posts)
10. Good to know.
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 02:22 AM
Dec 2019

(You’re braver than Moi for watching.)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatSeg

(49,061 posts)
18. I really wasn't going to watch
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 10:32 AM
Dec 2019

I'm on political overload and there isn't much about the candidates that I haven't heard already. I'm glad I did though. It really was a much better debate than the others and reminded me of how much great talent we have. Trump should be very concerned.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

samnsara

(17,853 posts)
27. im like you..but i didnt watch this one either. i dont like the confrontations.
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 06:10 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatSeg

(49,061 posts)
28. Most people don't like it
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 08:06 PM
Dec 2019

It is such a turnoff. I think some of these candidates are getting really bad political advice from their consultants.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tarheel_Dem

(31,320 posts)
9. So glad to hear good reports coming out of the debate. I don't watch them, and quite frankly....
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 02:21 AM
Dec 2019

I think there have been way too many of them, especially since they don't move the needle long term.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(300,315 posts)
11. I don't watch them, either, Tarheel..
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 02:25 AM
Dec 2019

not since bush vs Gore.. my nerves won't take them.

I just read DU & Twiiter now.

Joe did Good by most accounts.. except the ones with an agenda to say he didn't.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tarheel_Dem

(31,320 posts)
12. I'm right there with you Cha. I don't see the point in these monthly pissing contests. It only...
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 02:34 AM
Dec 2019

helps the Big Orange Anus and his campaign. People seem to forget that what is said, can't be unsaid, and that only works to our detriment.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(300,315 posts)
13. That's a good way to put it..
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 03:05 AM
Dec 2019

".. monthly pissing contests.." that I don't need to watch.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

myohmy2

(3,389 posts)
14. biggest winner...
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 03:19 AM
Dec 2019

Bernie,

"This is why 3 people own more wealth than the bottom half."





...
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(300,315 posts)
15. NO.. the WaPO in the OP says BS was a "Loser"..
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 03:24 AM
Dec 2019
Losers

Bernie Sanders on race, again: If there was one issue that dogged Sanders in his 2016 campaign against Hillary Clinton, it was his inability to appeal to minority voters. And for one striking moment on Thursday, that problem reared its ugly head

The candidates were asked about the declining diversity in their debate field, and when the question was presented to Sanders, he opted instead to try to talk return to a previous topic, climate change. Debate moderator Amna Nawaz of “PBS NewsHour” cut in, though. “Senator, with all respect, this question is about race. Can you answer the question as it was asked?”

The crowd roared. Sanders tried to rescue it by saying people of color would suffer from climate change, too, and then he offered some boilerplate about problems that plague minority communities. It was one moment, but it came just after the only minority candidate onstage, Andrew Yang, gave a detailed answer citing the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., and it briefly revived some old demons.

Sanders also, shortly thereafter, responded to a quote Barack Obama recently gave about old white men running countries. When debate moderator Tim Alberta noted Sanders was the oldest candidate onstage, Sanders interjected, “And I’m white, as well!” It wasn’t awful, but it may not have been the time to emphasize that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
17. Was that his answer to education, women's issues,...
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 07:23 AM
Dec 2019

Or Russian interference in the 2016 election?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

hlthe2b

(103,323 posts)
16. I could not believe that Mediate had Biden as a "loser". He looked great, strong and he WAS strong
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 07:17 AM
Dec 2019

in this debate. The others had their moments too, but Biden, as front-runner wins by not (at all) losing in this context I do believe.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(300,315 posts)
19. So wha't their agenda?!
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 05:28 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(300,315 posts)
21. They have BS in the Loser column..
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 01:09 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SunSeeker

(52,353 posts)
22. Yes, but I can only post 4 paragraphs in the OP. Thanks for your additions!
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 05:53 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(300,315 posts)
23. Right.. I just wanted
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 06:02 AM
Dec 2019

to kick your thread earlier and that's what I came it. lol

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

samnsara

(17,853 posts)
26. Joe can walk into office and from MINUTE ONE...know his job and what to do next..
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 06:04 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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