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Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:16 PM

 

There's Only One Way the Patrick and Bloomberg Campaigns Make Sense

The New Republic

To be very overly broad (I am, I am aware, describing the beliefs and motives of a large and diverse set of individuals), “Clinton World” detests Bernie Sanders, is largely on board with Kamala Harris, but has no real problem with Elizabeth Warren, and would greet her nomination without much rancor.

“Obama World,” on the other hand, doesn’t share this perspective. They don’t take Sanders seriously, and think of him—even with some affection—as a harmless crank. They, however, strongly dislike Warren. I don’t want to say they would stop at nothing to prevent her from winning the nomination, but there are a lot of ancient tensions between the two camps that are far from settled.

If it is the growing consensus among many top Democrats in those two worlds that Joe Biden does not have it in him to win the nomination (or the general election), there are a couple obvious paths forward: Boost the prospects of the “mainstream” candidate most likely to win if Biden fades, or Option B, which we will get to in a minute.

In Clinton World, it seems obvious to continue to offer support to Kamala Harris, or hope for Amy Klobuchar to surge, or perhaps get on board with Warren. It would be smarter for anyone in the anybody-but-Sanders camp to throw in with Warren now, given the fact that the Harris and Klobuchar campaigns have entered a decaying orbit. But for many, those two senators still “make sense on paper,” so many seemingly smart people are still convinced something might come of them.

But what should Obama World do if they see Harris (or Cory Booker, or Julián Castro, both of whom are viewed with favor by this camp) struggling to gain traction? Many of this cohort seem to like Mayor Pete Buttigieg and would find his nomination acceptable. Nevertheless, they surely originally envisioned him as, perhaps, a future Senate candidate, or a running mate at best. It can’t be lost on them that the primary calendar after New Hampshire and Iowa becomes rough sledding for a candidate whose entire base of support is white. Still, they can’t support Warren; Sanders is an unserious option; Biden has perhaps lost it.
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brooklynite Nov 20 OP
Fiendish Thingy Nov 20 #1
Demsrule86 Nov 20 #15
Fiendish Thingy Nov 20 #16
Demsrule86 Nov 20 #17
Demsrule86 Nov 20 #18
BeyondGeography Nov 20 #2
beastie boy Nov 20 #3
ritapria Nov 20 #4
brooklynite Nov 20 #6
Hassin Bin Sober Nov 20 #10
brooklynite Nov 20 #11
Sloumeau Nov 20 #5
brooklynite Nov 20 #9
Demsrule86 Nov 20 #14
The Valley Below Nov 20 #7
loyalsister Nov 20 #8
Demsrule86 Nov 20 #13
Demsrule86 Nov 20 #12
redqueen Nov 20 #19
Act_of_Reparation Nov 20 #20

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:29 PM

1. Sounds like these last minute campaigns are a Hail Mary from the "centrist" Dems

 

Sounds like folks are getting nervous that Joe can't go the distance...
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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 02:15 PM

15. Only if you don't want Biden to be the nominee...wishful thinking.

 

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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 02:20 PM

16. The OP reports the Obama camp fears Joe won't make it...

 

Along with Amy, Kamala and Pete, and they apparently want some back up candidates in the wings just in case, to prevent Warren or Sanders getting the nomination.
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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 02:43 PM

17. And the article is a bunch of bullshit from the New Republic...have you read their shit lately?

 



Above is a few...there are plenty more...
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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 02:46 PM

18. It doesn't work that way...there entry could dilute the moderate vote thus this would help

 

Sanders and Warren...one can see clearly that this would not help Biden or further any other moderate candidate...you don't do that by splitting the vote three ways. However, it won't hurt Biden. Both will be gone quickly...Patrick could damage Warren I suppose.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:31 PM

2. This is healthy

 

Sounds like a lot of behind-the-scene game players with an axe to grind making a hash of things. We’ll see where it leads but unity isn’t the destination that comes to mind.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:38 PM

3. I find the premise of the article a bit dubious.

 

The author takes the division between "the Clinton camp" vs 'the Obama camp" for granted. At least he doesn't bother to show any evidence for it existing.

He also takes Biden's impending demise and Warren's rise almost for granted. This is far from inevitable to base speculations of Patric's and Bloomberg's motivations for running. Certainly, it is not the only way their campaigns make sense.

A far more likely and simpler explanation for their entry into the race is that, whether Biden or Warren turns out to be the eventual nominee, they are throwing their hats into the ring not to win, but to line themselves up for a VP spot.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:40 PM

4. Dear "Obama World"

 

Bernie Sanders , " the harmless crank " nearly overcame a 55% polling deficit and carried 22 states in the 2016 election ...He raised over 200 million dollars and received over 1800 delegates on the first ballot at the 2016 Dem Convention …….This year he leads all other campaigns in number of contributions , individual contributors and volunteers ….The crank Sanders has drawn the largest crowd (26,000) of any Democratic contender in the field ………..
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Response to ritapria (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:48 PM

6. Of course, his voting support is half what it was in 2016, but who' counting?

 

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Pete Buttigieg

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:31 PM

10. And Biden's is also half of Bernie's opponent

 

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:34 PM

11. Um, which opponent?

 

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 12:46 PM

5. LOL, thanks for posting this hysterically funny nonsense.

 

1. On average, Biden has tested better against Trump than any other candidate.
2. On average, Biden tests better in the super important Rust Belt than any other candidate.
3. Biden does better on average with African Americans, a super important constituency than any other candidate.
4. Biden tests better in the super important South than any other candidate.
5. With 6 terms in the Senate and 8 years as Vice President, Biden has more national political experience than any other candidate.
6. No other candidate has more experience working in the Oval Office than Biden.
7. No other candidate has endured as much campaign battle testing as Biden, and no one else has been more thoroughly vetted than Biden.
8. There is no candidate that either Donald Trump or the Republicans fear more than Biden, as one can see from both the Ukraine affair and which of the candidates Donald Trump goes after the most.
9. Joe Biden is fit, trim, and healthy.

10. As for this quote:

"If it is the growing consensus among many top Democrats in those two worlds that Joe Biden does not have it in him to win the nomination (or the general election), there are a couple obvious paths forward:..."

Joe Biden is the only one of the candidates that we can be sure has it in him to win the nomination. No one else has more experience campaigning. No one has won national elections more often than Joe.

11. Finally. other than basically one day, October 7, 2019, Joe Biden's polling average has always been number one since the day he entered the race last spring:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html

Joe Biden has been winning this nomination since day 1. As for the two latest entries into the Democratic Presidential Nomination race, who supposedly entered because "Joe Biden cannot get it done", watch as both former Mayor Bloomberg, aka "Mr. Billionaire" "Mr. Stop and Frisk", and "Mr. Only a Democrat when convenient" and Mr. Deval Patrick aka "Mr. Bain Capitol" crash and burn like Japanese Zeros during the battle of the Midway.
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Response to Sloumeau (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:31 PM

9. Are you saying that nobody's worried about Biden's performance so far?

 

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 02:13 PM

14. Yes, this angst some have for Biden and his 'preformance'... is from folks who support other

 

candidates and want to use this phony concern to take down Biden in order to further the success of their own candidates .
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:17 PM

7. LOL. Both the HRC and Obama "camps" see that Joe Biden is kicking ass...

 

and it thrills us, as we know he's the person to crush Trump and that Biden's long coat-tails will help win Congressional seats.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 01:29 PM

8. I had the thought that they help rehabilitate Biden's reputation

 

Bloomberg's stop and frisk policies neutralize Biden's association with criminal injustice and monied interests, and Patrick may make him look better to people who have reservations about the discomfort some women have reported. The primaries are about contrast and when it comes to objectionable history, "at least he's not as bad as......" is something some people will respond to.
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Response to loyalsister (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 02:07 PM

13. Obama has nothing to do with this...more shit from the New Republic...this is about two

 

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men who have wanted to run for president probably for years...seeing multiple candidates and thinking they could maybe take a stab at it...I don't care for Bloomberg and would not vote for him in a primary. Deval is off my list because of the brother in law situation...I think we have two men who want to run for president...Bloomberg may use this to go after Trump too...he has done so thus far.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 02:02 PM

12. More fact free shit from the New Republic targeting Biden...

 

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Joe Biden

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:05 PM

19. 75 days till the rubber meets the road

 

105 till a significant portion of voters will get a chance to have their voices heard.

Gonna be a very interesting couple few months.
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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:11 PM

20. Yep. They jumped in the race because there is concern Joe Biden might not be able to win it.

 

Giving the timing, it's the only explanation that makes sense.
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