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Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:57 PM

 

**UPDATE** @PeteButtigieg: "The failures of the Obama era help explain how we got Trump."

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https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-11-10/pete-buttigieg-rising-alternative-biden-warren

Buttigieg chafes at comparisons to Biden and Bloomberg.

“My message is not about going back to where we were,” he said. “The failures of the Obama era help explain how we got Trump. I am running on building a future that is going to have a lot of differences.… One thing I learned in 2016 is to be very skeptical of any message that relies on the word ‘again.’ ”


Update: from Evan Halper

My story about
@PeteButtigieg
ends with him referring to the “failures of the Obama era.” That’s an inaccurate quote — the result of transcribing a noisy recording at a loud rally. His exact words were “failures of the old normal”





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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:59 PM

1. No.

 

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Response to emmaverybo (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 06:56 AM

118. The reporter now says he mistranscribed the interview and Pete didn't say Obama.

 

Please see the edited OP and this: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342805
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Response to femmedem (Reply #118)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:11 AM

188. Is there a recording?

 

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #188)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:22 AM

198. Yes, it's been released now.

 

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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:03 PM

2. That will really help his campaign..criticizing the most popular president in this century

 

Just lost any respect I had for him whatever
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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 03:53 AM

105. Ok Pete Buttigieg u've lost me too. Your arrogance isn't going to

 

Make u POTUS.
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Response to onetexan (Reply #105)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:38 AM

155. he did NOT say that, it was a misquote (see the OP correction)

 

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Response to onetexan (Reply #105)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 12:52 AM

321. Given your signature line, it's obvious he never had a chance to "lose you" in the first place...

 

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Response to regnaD kciN (Reply #321)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 04:33 AM

329. Au contraire. I've been critical of Buttigieg from the getgo given his initial missteps.

 

He's come across as a little too arrogant early on, if you've been paying attention to this board since a few months ago that is. Over past few months he got better, but now it's back to his smug ways. “failures of the old normal” is basically saying the same thing. OLD NORMAL in my mind translates to what was prior to the status quo, which was Obama. Anybody dissing O isn't going to do well.
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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 05:18 AM

114. Stop!

 

This is totally out of context.

“The failures of the Obama Era” that he is talking about are the undermining of Obama’s efforts BY THE a REPUBLICANS!

Jesus, people! You are all failing to recognize the original context.

And YES, Obama had some failures too, because of the roadblocks put in front of him by the R’s!
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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 06:56 AM

119. I thought he was supposed to be so brilliant. And he disparages...

 

the most popular Democrat on the planet who pulled the country out of the great recession?

This will lose him some support from many Dems, not to mention among African Americans with whom he's already hurting.

What's up with him saying that, and with the November debate coming up?
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Response to brush (Reply #119)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:07 AM

128. Pete didn't bash Obama or even mention Obama and the reporter has apologized for the error.

 

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Response to femmedem (Reply #128)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:41 AM

266. Thanks. I'm so glad PB didn't say that.

 

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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:08 AM

129. Pete didn't say anything about Obama and the reporter has apologized for the mistake.

 

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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:51 AM

165. it was a complete misquote

 

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342883
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Response to Celerity (Reply #165)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:45 AM

245. I wonder why the OP hasn't edited?

 

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Response to cwydro (Reply #245)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:32 AM

262. Good friggin question

 

Although the OP might stand as a warning not to jump to conclusions before the whole story is known. But some prefer to exercise the limbic region of their brains first.
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Response to cwydro (Reply #245)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:57 AM

269. The OP has been edited....

 

It was updated at 6:49 am this morning when I saw the tweet from the reporter.



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Response to SidDithers (Reply #269)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 11:39 AM

270. No, not really.

 

You still have the incorrect quote up there.
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Response to cwydro (Reply #270)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 11:51 AM

271. With the retraction...nt

 

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Response to cwydro (Reply #270)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 05:52 PM

304. Sadly, there is a fair percentage here who don't read beyond the post title.

 

One of said people just posted.


(The OP has been here long enough to know this. Sooo...)
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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:04 PM

3. Uh oh

 

Doesn't Pete know there were no failures of the Obama era? The outrage will be coming shortly.
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Response to Bradshaw3 (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:01 AM

179. it was a sloppy, made up, complete misquote

 

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342883
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Response to Celerity (Reply #179)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:25 AM

258. Wonder if this wil cause reflection by some on here

 

That maybe they shouldn't be so quick to freak out over something like this. The original incorrect quote didn't even say the failures of Obama as most on here seemed to assume.

Reflection though? doubt it.
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Response to Bradshaw3 (Reply #258)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:17 PM

282. There are only a couple of self-deleted posts in this thread.

 

The rest have let their posts stand, even after the correction. So, the answer to your question is probably No.
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Response to Mariana (Reply #282)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 02:48 PM

285. I had hope but knew the answer was probably ...

 

... No. Some are even doubling down now or trying to deflect. Funny thing is Obama is the kind of person who can admit mistakes. Wish more were like him.
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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:05 PM

4. Blaming the Obama administration for Trump is neither correct nor a winning strategy

 

Good luck, Pete, you're going to need it.
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Response to dlk (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:45 AM

160. He didn't blame Obama. The reporter has apologized for misquoting him.

 

Please see the corrected OP.
Earlier this year, Pete did eloquently blame the Republicans, though. https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342736
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Response to femmedem (Reply #160)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:16 PM

281. Alright, then

 

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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:06 PM

5. This is disqualifying.

 

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Response to George II (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:45 AM

41. Agreed.

 

If he had been my preferred candidate that would be a deal-breaker.
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Response to George II (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:11 AM

51. It's unreal. Not a winning message and

 

it's completely false.
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Response to Cha (Reply #51)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:46 AM

161. it was a complete misquote

 

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342883
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Response to George II (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 06:57 AM

120. The reporter has apologized for mistranscribing the interview. Pete didn't mention Obama.

 

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Response to George II (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:00 AM

178. it was a complete misquote, made up, what is disqualifying is this reporter's sloppiness

 

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342883

It should disqualify him as a legit reporter
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Response to George II (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:43 AM

211. I see that overnight the reporter has corrected the story and Buttigieg didn't say....

 

....what the reporter originally stated.

That's good. I was shocked and disappointed to see that quote, totally out of character. Glad he never said that.
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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:07 PM

6. The failures of the Obama era were Repuglikan!

 

NOT Obama's!!! Not Biden's.

Repuglikans. Solely and exclusively. Boehner. Ryan. Moscow Mitch McConnell. Ad infinitum. Ad Nauseum.
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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:08 PM

7. Bad move Mayor Pete. The best president of my life is NOT responsible for the worst ever.

 

As BHO might say: C'mon Man!
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Response to malchickiwick (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:26 PM

17. "C'mon Man"!! Yes!

 

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Response to malchickiwick (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:15 AM

31. So

 

how did we go from two terms of Barack Obama to what we have now? Something happened to enable enough people to go from an intelligent man of peace to a bloomin' idiot.
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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #31)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:03 AM

48. "The administration of Barack Obama was not only eight years of a Democratic president --

 

in which partisan polarization continued to grow -- but also eight years of a black president. As a result, Americans' racial identities and racial attitudes became even more potent political forces and helped transform the party coalition. Non-whites increasingly identified as Democrats. Whites -- and particularly whites who did not have a college degree and had less favorable views of racial and ethnic minorities -- increasingly identified as Republicans. The party coalitions became more divided by race and ethnicity after Obama took office and before the 2016 presidential campaign was seriously under way.

"... during the Obama era, whites were leaving the Democratic Party. In Pew Research Center surveys from 2007, whites were just as likely to call themselves Democrats as they were to call themselves Republican. But by 2010, whites were 12 points more likely to be Republicans than Democrats."

From "Identity Crisis"
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Response to betsuni (Reply #48)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 02:22 AM

91. To me, that sounds like way too many people are anti BLACK! What else differed between BO &

 

other Dem Presidents?

I'm white & in this situation, I'm ashamed of the Democrats! I knew a lot of Pugs were anti Black, but I sure didn't know that many Dems were.
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Response to betsuni (Reply #48)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 04:41 AM

110. That I agree with

 

But also think the turning point for those who left the Democratic Party have now had the chance to look at the difference between an intelligent well mannered President and the lying,loutish, ignorant excuse of a white man now there.

And they wonder why suburban housewives, the well educated, blacks and others see what n embarrassment a white man can be?
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Response to betsuni (Reply #48)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:49 AM

164. Not quite. Dems have not won a majority of whites since LBJ/1964.

 

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Response to betsuni (Reply #48)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:38 PM

275. So, then, to boil it down

 

Some white people voted twice for Barack Obama, which made them more racist as a result, and then they voted for Trump.

Yeah, sounds logical to me...
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Response to malchickiwick (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:00 AM

122. The reporter has apologized for mistranscribing the interview. Pete didn't say Obama anything.

 

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Response to malchickiwick (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:52 AM

168. He was misquoted and the reporter has apologized. Pete didn't even mention Obama.

 

The OP now includes the correction.

Here's Pete's response to the reporter's apology:

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Response to malchickiwick (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:00 AM

177. The reporter says he did not transcribe the quote correctly so this is totally bogus.

 

I am not crazy about how quickly we go after our own on this site. My guess is the reporter knew what they were doing and knew it would get headlines for his article.

Calm down everyone.
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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #177)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 05:06 AM

332. Neither am I

 

The one disappointing thing I have seen on this board is how quick supporters of one person are so quick to attack others.

I have made no choice, think it is unwise until we get closer to election and see how the voters respond.

If I have insulted any candidate I here by apologize and will try to never do it again.

The Reporter needs to be sanctioned. That was too big of a mistake, too Trumpian to be over looked.
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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:09 PM

8. I retract my comment in light of the updates on the reporting

 

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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:25 PM

16. Most Definitely..

 

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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:27 AM

65. Yea, should help plenty...

 

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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:11 AM

132. That would be unfortunate, because it was a reporting error. Pete didn't mention Obama.

 

The reporter mistranscribed the interview and has apologized.
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Response to femmedem (Reply #132)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:49 AM

215. That's pretty despicable.

 

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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:15 PM

9. And, I'm out.

 

He was in my top 3 for most of the campaign, but that's about it for me. Does he really think saying something like that helps him in the DEMOCRATIC primary?
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Response to Bleacher Creature (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:24 PM

13. I hear that.. What a message! Good Grief..

 

Last edited Mon Nov 11, 2019, 04:25 AM - Edit history (1)

Why the hell did he think that was a worthwhile message?! It's not even true. Except that Obama is Black..

How about all the positive progress in the Obama Admin?! Is this a direct shot at Obama and Biden?

Don't think that's going to go over well with our AA community.. I know is sure as hell blew it for me.
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Response to Cha (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 03:59 AM

106. Pete's head is too big for his britches apparently Cha

 

Again, people say he's not arrogant but some of those digs against O are no longer subtle.

Pete needs to abide by the "walk the walk" adage. That and a big dose of humility.
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Response to onetexan (Reply #106)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 04:22 AM

109. Hey Aloha, onetexan!

 

I haven't heard that in awhile.. ".. too big for his britches.. "! I like those colloquialisms.


President Obama
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Response to Cha (Reply #109)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 03:03 PM

289. that's how we say it here in TX Cha LOL

 

Love O & Mrs. O. Love Joe & Mrs. Joe
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Response to onetexan (Reply #289)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 03:27 PM

294. That ain't just a Texas thang! My family say it up in CT

 

where I had most of my formulation! 😉

💙🇺🇸💪🗽

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Response to sprinkleeninow (Reply #294)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 03:45 PM

298. LOL u mean most of your formation

 

i hear sprinkle
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Response to onetexan (Reply #298)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 12:33 AM

320. Oopsie. Thx for that. I dint notice. The phones are too smart for their own britches!!1😝

 

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Response to onetexan (Reply #289)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 05:42 PM

301. My family lived in Houston for

 

a few years way back when I was a kid.. before moving back to Colorado. 'Cause I know I've heard it before.

So now it's a good thing Pete didn't say that!

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Response to onetexan (Reply #106)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:54 AM

172. Here is Pete's response to the reporter's apology for misquoting him:

 


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Response to femmedem (Reply #172)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:01 AM

250. Good apology...while I don't support Pete...glad to know he didn't do this

 

it seems.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #250)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:34 AM

263. Thanks, Demsrule86. Regardless of which candidate we support

 

I don't think any of us want people voting based on misinformation.
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Response to femmedem (Reply #263)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:06 PM

278. Of course not...I wonder how the reporter got it so wrong...the old normal is very clear.

 

Was it deliberate?
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Response to femmedem (Reply #172)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 03:13 PM

291. He was kinder than I think I would have been

 

He must have wanted to curse this guy out.
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Response to Bleacher Creature (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 04:54 AM

111. Yep. It suggests that he is not a wise campaigner. We don't need a candidate who

 

commits own goals.
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Response to tblue37 (Reply #111)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:19 AM

138. Except Pete didn't bash or mention Obama and the reporter has apologized for the error.

 

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Response to Bleacher Creature (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:01 AM

123. The reporter has apologized for mistranscribing the interview. Pete never said Obama era.

 

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Response to femmedem (Reply #123)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:02 AM

228. Thanks, that makes me feel a lot before. NT

 

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Response to Bleacher Creature (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:48 AM

163. it was a complete misquote

 

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342883
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Response to Celerity (Reply #163)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:07 AM

236. Thanks, and my bad for jumping the gun. NT

 

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Response to Bleacher Creature (Reply #236)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:09 AM

237. no problem, it's understandable given the subject, I'm just trying to put out what actually was said

 

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Response to Bleacher Creature (Reply #236)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:37 AM

264. Good for you

 

There are several on here who jumped the gun and won't back down.
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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:17 PM

10. BULLFEATHERS!! Oh Pete.. that's right.. blame it on President Obama

 

How about a ******** positive message?!

Yeah, you do that.. be skeptical.
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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:21 PM

11. I'll advised rhetoric. May I suggest

 

“We need a Congress to tee up Winning President”

Something like that

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Response to OhNo-Really (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:47 AM

162. His rhetoric was ok; unfortunately the reporter misquoted him and has since apologized.

 

And the OP has updated with the correction.

But Pete did say something earlier this year in line with the message you're suggesting: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342736
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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:08 PM

279. Thanks for the update. Deplorable reporting.

 

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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:22 PM

12. Your done

 

Let me tell you something. You diss Obama and your done. Adios Amigo. You are now 100% irrelevant. Unbelievable
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Response to evertonfc (Reply #12)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:09 AM

130. The reporter mistranscribed the interview and has apologized.

 

Please don't let a reporting error change your opinion of Mayor Pete.
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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:24 PM

14. oh the people who didnt want him are upset. too bad. nt

 

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Response to msongs (Reply #14)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:00 AM

46. What? No.. that's not why we are mad at

 

Mayor Pete.. it's about the untrue statement he made about President Obama.
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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:25 PM

15. Oh well.

 

It looks like we all came to the same conclusion.
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Response to underthematrix (Reply #15)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:16 AM

134. The reporter made a huge, damaging error. Pete didn't bash or even mentioned Obama.

 

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Response to femmedem (Reply #134)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:39 AM

209. I don't see how even if Pres. Obama wasn't mentioned by name this changes anything...still

 

an attack on his administration. Am I missing something?
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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:31 PM

18. Instead of bashing other candidates ...

 

Instead of bashing other candidates,
tell us why we should support yours.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #18)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:33 PM

19. A candidate's own words are "bashing"...

 



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Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:47 PM

24. How's Harris doing in the polls?

 

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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:07 AM

27. Undecided...

 



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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:16 AM

32. Talk about gaffes

 

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #32)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:11 AM

52. THIS!

 

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Response to emmaverybo (Reply #52)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:29 AM

146. Except Pete didn't say anything about Obama and the reporter has apologized for the mistake.

 

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #32)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:57 AM

175. no, talk about a malicious made up misquote

 

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #18)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:01 AM

47. Talk to Mayor Pete.. he's BASHING President Obama.

 

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Response to Cha (Reply #47)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:21 AM

59. +1

 

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #59)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:31 AM

68. Mahalo, dalton!

 

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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:17 AM

136. The reporter made a huge error. Pete didn't blame or even mention Obama.

 

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Response to femmedem (Reply #136)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 05:34 PM

299. Right.. and nobody was "jumping to conclusions" with the

 

original information that was quoted in the OP.

This is all on the reporter.. not DU.. at least the reporter confessed to getting it wrong.

I'm really grateful Pete did not say what was quoted.
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Response to Cha (Reply #47)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:30 AM

261. Jumping to conclusions is what is wrong

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/11/buttigieg-obama-misquote-069212

Try and take a deep breath next time before you go on full blast against someone and wait before the whole story is known.
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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:36 PM

20. Joe is going to hammer Pete on that comment

 

Mayor Pete is hurting Joe in Iowa
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Response to ritapria (Reply #20)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:29 AM

66. Well Joe may have just found his opening in Iowa....

 

As Pete is straight up burnt toast after saying some mess like this.
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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:28 AM

145. Except he didn't say it and the reporter has apologized for his huge mistake.

 

Please see the edited OP and this: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342805

But of course more people will read the misquote than the apology.
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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:03 AM

182. good luck to Biden running with a made up misquote

 

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Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:39 PM

21. Self deleted my original post

 

Last edited Mon Nov 11, 2019, 02:39 PM - Edit history (1)

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Response to MustLoveBeagles (Reply #21)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:06 AM

49. I can't believe it, either, Beagles.. What a message

 

to send to the Democratic Party members who are mainly proud of President Obama and his Accomplishments in the face of unprecedented Obstruction!
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Response to Cha (Reply #49)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:05 AM

127. He didn't say it and the reporter has apologized for the mistake.

 

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Response to femmedem (Reply #127)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:08 AM

255. Thank you for trying to set this straight.

 

Not sure why the OP hasn’t edited the title.
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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:31 AM

69. Pretty soon he'll blame Hillary for losing the election

 

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #69)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 02:00 AM

81. Oh yeah. "Part of how we lost our way in 2016 was, first of all, it was all about our nominee.

 

'I'm with her' was literally the button."

"Donald Trump got elected because in his own twisted way, he pointed out the huge trouble in our economy and our democracy. At least he didn't go around saying that America was already great, like Hillary did."

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Response to betsuni (Reply #81)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 02:07 AM

84. Oh right.. ".. at least trump didn't

 

go around saying America was already great like Hillary did."

gmafb. No It was NOT "all about our nominee".. If you paid attention.

He got called out on that one, too.. thanks for the reminder, betsuni.
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Response to Cha (Reply #84)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 02:18 AM

90. Anti-Democratic propaganda: our nominee made it all about herself and

 

stood for nothing except "I'm not Trump." Ugh. While Obama was president those Trump voters moaned and groaned about how terrible the economy was and from the instant Trump was sworn in, everything was fabulous.
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Response to betsuni (Reply #90)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 02:35 AM

95. Yes, the trump supporters had 8 years of misery

 

under Obama..

8 years of suffering under Barack Obama

The sentence I hear most from well-meaning, conservative friends since President Trump’s election is this: “We suffered 8 years under Barack Obama.”

Fair enough. Let’s take a look.

The day Obama took office, the Dow closed at 7,949 points. Eight years later, the Dow had almost tripled.

General Motors and Chrysler were on the brink of bankruptcy, with Ford not far behind, and their failure, along with their supply chains, would have meant the loss of millions of jobs. Obama pushed through a controversial, $8o billion bailout to save the car industry. The U.S. car industry survived, started making money again, and the entire $80 billion was paid back, with interest.

While we remain vulnerable to lone-wolf attacks, no foreign terrorist organization has successfully executed a mass attack here since 9/11.

Obama ordered the raid that killed Osama Bin Laden.

He drew down the number of troops from 180,000 in Iraq and Afghanistan to just 15,000, and increased funding for the Department of Veterans Affairs.

He launched a program called Opening Doors which, since 2010, has led to a 47 percent decline in the number of homeless veterans.

He set a record 73 straight months of private-sector job growth.

Due to Obama’s regulatory policies, greenhouse gas emissions decreased by 12%, production of renewable energy more than doubled, and our dependence on foreign oil was cut in half.

He signed The Lilly Ledbetter Act, making it easier for women to sue employers for unequal pay.

His Omnibus Public Lands Management Act designated more than 2 million acres as wilderness, creating thousands of miles of trails and protecting over 1,000 miles of rivers.

He reduced the federal deficit from 9.8 percent of GDP in 2009 to 3.2 percent in 2016.

For all the inadequacies of the Affordable Care Act, we seem to have forgotten that, before the ACA, you could be denied coverage for a pre-existing condition and kids could not stay on their parents’ policies up to age 26.

Obama approved a $14.5 billion system to rebuild the levees in New Orleans.

All this, even as our own Mitch McConnell famously asserted that his singular mission would be to block anything President Obama tried to do.

Even more at https://tericarter.wordpress.com/2017/07/10/8-years-of-suffering-under-obama/

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President Obama and his Admin!
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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 02:38 AM

96. ...

 

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Response to betsuni (Reply #81)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 02:08 AM

85. +1. So we weren't supposed to advertise our nominee

 




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Response to betsuni (Reply #81)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:58 AM

224. OMG...I can't believe he said this...nice really Mayor Pete.

 



I can't believe he said the economy which Pres. Obama fought the GOP for in order to save it...and was doing very well in 16 . This economy continued to grow despite Trump and has given the orange bastard bragging rights ever since was in 'huge trouble' in 16. And he took a shot at Hillary too...so angry.
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Response to MustLoveBeagles (Reply #21)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:04 AM

126. You're right not to believe it--he didn't say it. The reporter has apologized for the mistake.

 

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Response to femmedem (Reply #126)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:11 PM

280. Thank you

 

I was angry about this last night but decided not to react any further and wait for an explanation. I'm now glad I did that. I'm sorry for misjudging him.
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Response to MustLoveBeagles (Reply #280)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 06:05 PM

309. Yeah, we were reacting off of false information which

 

was not our fault.

The reporter owes a lot of apologies to everyone who took it to be accurate.


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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:43 PM

22. Time for Buttigieg to drop out.

 

We got Trump because of the failures of Dubya.
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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:32 AM

149. The reporter made a huge mistake and has apologized. Pete didn't even mention Obama.

 

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Response to femmedem (Reply #149)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:27 PM

283. Ouch. My bad! It did seem a remarkably stupid thing for the brilliant Buttigieg to be saying.

 

I needed to let that percolate a bit more before trusting it.
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Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:45 PM

23. Well, that's sad.

 

Looks like Mayor Pete forgot which party's nomination he's running for.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #23)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:57 AM

45. Ouch!

 

It is sad.. and quite unnecessarily so.
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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 06:58 AM

121. The reporter has apologized for mistranscribing the interview. Pete didn't mention Obama.

 

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Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:57 PM

25. Um, doesn't he know that racism helps explain how we got Trump?

 

That Republicans did everything they could to stop Obama from doing anything? What is he talking about?
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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:26 AM

34. I guess Mayor Pete missed that

 

pesky detail.

And, heaven forbid he talk about the positive accomplishments of the last Democratic Admin
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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:07 AM

26. Yeah blame Obama because people are too stupid to understand

 

Why they’re voting against themselves.
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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #26)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:10 AM

187. it was a complete misquote, a really sloppy and bad reporter

 

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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:14 AM

28. Failures? nt

 

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Response to doc03 (Reply #28)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:37 AM

153. It was a reporting error. The reporter has apologized for misquoting Pete.

 

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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:14 AM

29. There were failures during Obama's tenure.

 

The failure to get a public option, austerity, not aggressively addressing the housing crisis, and not spending all the stimulus funds are a few of them.

But in this climate baldly blaming Obama is a non-starter.

Mayor Pete needs to blame the failure on the policies and the republicans for blocking their efficacy. Never on Obama directly.
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Response to Buzz cook (Reply #29)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:25 AM

33. Obama didn't have the Votes for a Public Option..

 

it's so brilliant of Mayor Pete to say the failures brought trump.. instead of a positive message of all the Accomplishments.

That's going to hurt him with the African American Community and voters who actually appreciated the Obama Admin..

But, have it, Mayor Pete.
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Response to Cha (Reply #33)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:34 AM

36. Yes that was a failure. nt

 

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Response to Buzz cook (Reply #36)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:39 AM

38. No It Was NOT.

 

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Response to Buzz cook (Reply #29)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:10 AM

50. Whether viewed as failures or not, none of these gave us Trump. Obama got what he could, what the

 

freight would bear.
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Response to emmaverybo (Reply #50)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:12 AM

53. Precisely, emmaverybo.

 

smh.
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Response to Cha (Reply #53)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:15 AM

56. Yes He got the bus outta the ditch. He saved our economy. Thanks for reminding that he didn't have.

 

the votes for a public option, Cha.

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Response to emmaverybo (Reply #56)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:30 AM

67. Yeah, some refuse to believe President Obama

 

didn't have the votes. Unreal.

And, it seemed more like.. President Obama got the train outta the abyss!

You're Welcome, emmaverybo.. Thank you for saying that the fact that Obama didn't have the votes for Public Option had nothing to do with bringing us the Psycho in the WH.

Barack Obama was born Black.. that's not a "failure".

Trump voters were always racist, and Trump set them free.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212331669han

That's just one example..

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Response to emmaverybo (Reply #56)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:57 AM

174. The reporter has apologized for misquoting Pete. Here's Pete's response

 


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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:51 PM

284. That's too bad

 

But it is out there and even if its false it will be used against him.
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Response to Buzz cook (Reply #29)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 02:39 AM

97. After Ted Kennedy died there was literally no avenue toward getting a public option.

 

The only way to have ANY bill was to have the House pass the already-Senate-passed bill, the one that had passed with Ted Kennedy's vote before he died. No further vote in the Senate was possible because Kennedy was replaced by a Republican and 60 votes were required to get past a filibuster.

The reason the Senate bill didn't contain a public option was because Joe Lieberman, Independent, refused to be one of the 60 votes if the bill included a public option. So the Senate, including Kennedy, passed its bill, and the hope was for the House to pass a bill with the public option. Then the two houses, in a conference committee, would agree on keeping the public option.

But that possibility died with Senator Kennedy.
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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:37 AM

152. But Warren will get those Repub votes for MFA? No! Finally acknowledgement her plan will be DOA. Thx

 

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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:53 AM

170. Pete was misquoted and the reporter has apologized.

 

Here is Pete's response to the apology:

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Response to Buzz cook (Reply #29)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:44 AM

212. Exactly, the left never appreciated Pres. Obama and blame him for the lack of the public option

 

refusing to support him in 10 and 14...of course the votes were not there and their efforts limited what President Obama could accomplish the rest of the time he held office and there would have been no investigation of Hillary without losing the house ...so I expect in some ways this also helped bring about Trump...imagine if everyone had supported the president in 10 and 14. And whether Mayor Pete said Pres. Obama's name or not the point he was making is pretty much the same.
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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:15 AM

30. talk about gaffes. Pete is a little tone deaf

 

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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:23 AM

143. It was a huge, damaging reporting error. Pete didn't even mention Obama, let alone blame him.

 

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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:33 AM

35. Done with you Mr Mayor

 

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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:25 AM

144. I hope you'll reconsider because it was a reporting error, and the reporter has apologized

 

Pete didn't even mention Obama, let alone blame him.
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Response to femmedem (Reply #144)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:46 AM

214. Really so what was the point?

 

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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:34 AM

37. People need to take a deep breath

 

He didn't say the "failures of Obama", he said the "failures of the Obama era". That could mean what people on here have jumped on him for, or it could mean the repub obstruction of the Obama era, or many other things. His reference in the last sentence to "again" was obviously to the MAGAt message.

Reading the article doesn't really give it any more context. I would like to hear him expound on it before crucifying him.
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Response to Bradshaw3 (Reply #37)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:43 AM

40. When you have to look for nuance or parse a message

 

it's not a good thing. While there could be more context, I think most people will read it as an attack on Obama and stop there.
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Response to Merlot (Reply #40)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:52 AM

77. Exactly

 

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Response to Merlot (Reply #40)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:27 AM

259. Yes they will and they were wrong

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/11/buttigieg-obama-misquote-069212

What this should do is to get people to stop having knee jerk reactions to quotes like this.
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Response to Bradshaw3 (Reply #37)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:57 AM

44. Thank you for this.

 

Agreed that ”failures of the Obama era” is not the same as Obama failures.

This chronic divide, divide, divide will do more damage than any comment Pete Buttigieg has made. I can’t think of a single person I’ve had a political discussion with that thought everything done in the Obama era (or any other era) was perfect.
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Response to Bradshaw3 (Reply #37)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:33 AM

70. The "Failures" of the Obama era???

 

Umm. considering Obama spent six years fixing Bush shit and two years trying to pass shit with a Republican Congress that was not trying to let him pass any shit, are we being serious right now?

Pete can take a walk off a short pier and (finish the sentence)....
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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #70)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:44 AM

74. The GOP that met on election night.

 

They said to make him a one term President.

F off Pete. You just blew it.
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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #70)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:21 AM

257. Um care to revise your comment now?

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/11/buttigieg-obama-misquote-069212

He was misquoted, but hey why stop a good crucifixation right?
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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:27 AM

260. "Pete can take a walk off a short pier and (finish the sentence)...."

 

What a disturbing thing to say about one of our candidates.
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Response to Bradshaw3 (Reply #37)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 12:59 AM

323. He didn't say EITHER of them...

 

He said "failures of the old normal" and his quote got mistranscribed. The reporter has corrected the quote. Of course, I’m sure that those whose main goal is to play "gotcha!" on behalf of their own candidate will keep spreading it.
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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:41 AM

39. NO, you're Wrong, Mayor Pete, and I bet you just lost

 

some support from the African American Community.. mainly because you're wrong.
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Response to Cha (Reply #39)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:25 AM

62. Not a brilliant move.

 

The failures that saved our economy from disaster and brought healthcare to millions?
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Response to dalton99a (Reply #62)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:33 AM

71. So not brilliant..

 

I can't even believe he said it.

Yeah, why not talk about the accomplishments of the successful Democratic Admin instead of blaming him for trump? Just a thought.

Does not compute!
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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:39 AM

73. It's an utterly false, unfair, and uncalled-for accusation

 




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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:53 AM

171. No, the thing that was FALSE was the quote, it was made up

 

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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:53 AM

42. Mayor Pete's been rising in the polls...

 

so why pull a cheap shot like this now?
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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:56 AM

43. It's weird.. he just got a whole bunch

 

of people mad.. quite unnecessarily.
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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:13 AM

54. Julian Castro tries to help him out

 


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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #54)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:22 AM

60. +1

 

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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:53 AM

78. LOL

 

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #54)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 02:02 AM

82. EXCELLENT!

 

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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:13 AM

55. WTF?!!!!

 

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Response to DesertRat (Reply #55)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:52 AM

167. it was a complete misquote

 

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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:49 AM

247. Thanks

 

That's a relief
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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:20 AM

58. It's a shame Obama couldn't be as perfect as the mayor

 

The mayor would have done a perfect job.

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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:24 AM

61. Mayor P apologists are saying he was blaming the "era," not Obama personally. Will parsing work?

 

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Response to emmaverybo (Reply #61)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:34 AM

72. Let us answer that....

 

HELL to the NO!
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Response to emmaverybo (Reply #61)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 02:00 AM

79. There's a tweet for that..

 



Pete said .. "Failures of the Obama era"! Bad Messaging if there's this much of an Uproar!
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Response to Cha (Reply #79)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 03:00 AM

100. The tweet explains the wording choice perfectly. Pete will be walking this comment back, explaining

 

it, but really the best one can say is he made a gaffe, saying something that didn’t mean what we think he meant.

I love how Liz Smith’s response implies malice on the part of people applying
the common meaning to his words—what would Bush era horrors mean or JFK era accomplishments? And he did not qualify.
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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 03:34 AM

103. I know.. not a good idea, imo.. to accuse

 

those who read it and took for what it actually said, of "reading in bad faith".

There's a whole lot of us out here and on twitter too, who took it to mean they were "President Obama's failures that lead us to trump"..

I noticed Julian Castro did, too..


Castro's tweet has 24k Likes!
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Response to Cha (Reply #103)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 03:47 AM

104. Oh wow. I mean 24,000 people understood Pete was criticizing Obama.

 

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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:34 AM

150. Pete's got nothing to walk balk because he didn't even say "Obama era." Reporter erred.

 

It was a transcription error for which the reporter has apologized.
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Response to femmedem (Reply #150)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:18 AM

193. I did. I still find Buttigieg's comment strange as is the retraction.

 

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Response to emmaverybo (Reply #193)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:38 AM

208. Thanks for replying. How so?

 

If I'd only read "the old normal" that would still sound a little strange to me, but the full quote makes sense. He seems to be talking about problems that have been building for decades--and I think most of us agree that the economy hasn't been working for everyone and we're not on track to prevent climate catastrophe.

“I also fundamentally believe that there is no going back. My message is not about going back to where we were. I think because I come from a part of the country where normal has been a real problem for a very long time, and I think the failures of the old normal help explain how we got to Trump, I am much more interested in building a future that is going to have a lot of differences."

I can't even see this as controversial.

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Response to femmedem (Reply #208)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:50 AM

217. I don't think his analysis of what led to Trump considered the most obvious factors. First and

 

foremost is that the election was stolen.
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Response to emmaverybo (Reply #217)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:52 AM

221. That's valid.

 

I just don't think his statement implied anything to do with Obama, which is what the intense blowback has been about.
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Response to femmedem (Reply #221)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:18 AM

242. Does not seem to have been at all intended. He was, as I understand, taking a swipe at Biden

 

who has made “The Obama era” a theme in his campaign. He has been roundly criticized for talking about a return to normal, with that being understood as a return to the Obama years. So
I can see that the outrageously sloppy journalist inadvertently filled in “Obama era” as her hasty
interpretation, maybe subliminal, of his reference to old normal.

She was just typing a million miles an hour not listening to every word she had recorded.

I believe she should be fired. I don’t see how an error of this gravity can be let go.



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Response to emmaverybo (Reply #100)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:02 AM

180. Btw.. Lis Smith deleted her tweet..

 

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Response to Cha (Reply #79)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 03:37 PM

295. "There's an app for that..." 😄 eom

 

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Response to emmaverybo (Reply #61)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:49 AM

216. No, that is the same fucking thing...we are not stupid. Who was president during that

 

era? I am pretty steamed about this and not because I support Biden but because I adore Pres. Obama...he deserves better from Democrats...especially those running for the nomination.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #216)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:03 AM

230. lol

 

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Response to emmaverybo (Reply #61)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:42 AM

267. Did jumping the gun work for you?

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/11/buttigieg-obama-misquote-069212

He didn't say it. You going to admit you jumped the gun and maybe should wait for the full facts next time? are you going to apologize?
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Response to Bradshaw3 (Reply #267)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 01:02 AM

324. Of course they won't...

 

...because, as happens so often here during primary season, it's all about scoring points, the truth be damned.
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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:26 AM

63. The FAILURES of who?

 

Bye Pete...
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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #63)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:35 AM

151. The failures of the reporter, actually. He has apologized for mistranscribing the interview.

 

Pete didn't even mention Obama, let alone blame him.
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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #63)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:03 AM

251. I don't understand what the old 'normal ' is...but I know that Trump's 'new'

 

normal is worse. This is confusing.
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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:31 AM

147. He didn't blame or even mention Obama. It was a reporting error; the reporter apologized.

 

But of course more people will read the misquote than will read the apology.
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Response to femmedem (Reply #147)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:56 AM

223. I deleted the post.

 

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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:00 AM

226. Thanks!

 

I figured you would. You're one of my DU favorites and I knew you wouldn't want to spread misinformation.
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Response to femmedem (Reply #226)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:47 AM

246. Aw, thank you for that.

 

I try to make sure that everything I post is true and if I find that it's not, I correct or delete it. That "quote" was jarring to read because it seemed so out of character for him. I'm glad the reporter corrected himself so quickly, but wow, what a mistake. It's like unringing a bell. I suppose all we can do is correct it wherever we find the misquote and I will. Have a good week!
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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:51 AM

76. No Pete, THAT ISN'T the reason we got Trump, and for you NOT TO REALIZE THAT, suggests that perhaps

 

you are not equipped to assume the job of President


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Response to still_one (Reply #76)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 02:00 AM

80. +1. Bizarre thing to say, really

 

The rise to power of Donald Trump has been extensively analyzed, and I'm sure the mayor is a well-read man

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #80)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 02:11 AM

88. I don't understand his disconnect either

 

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Response to still_one (Reply #76)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:08 AM

184. it was a complete misquote, made up

 

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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 02:03 AM

83. Well, for all his former eloquence, Mayor Pete just . . .

 

tripped over his own tongue. And Joe Biden is the Gaffe Master???

Or perhaps, Buttigieg has forgotten the financial disaster Obama had to clean up. Without any help from Republicans. In fact, Republicans howled at every turn as the Obama Administration worked to keep the country from diving headlong into another Great Depression. And McConnell telegraphed his greatest concern: making sure Barack Obama was a one-term president. Americans were losing their homes and livelihoods but Republicans were hellbent on political scoring.

I think Mayor Pete needs to review the history; it wasn't that long ago.

As for Donald Trump? He belongs entirely, unequivocally to the Republican Party and all its members who have debased themselves and the country for the sake of power and greed.

If you don't like the word again then don't spew Republican talking points. Or we will once AGAIN have frigging Donald Trump squatting in the White House.

Huge mistake, Mayor Pete. Prepare for the blowback!



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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #83)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 02:26 AM

92. That's correct. mcturdle and the re-pukes more or less vowed to destroy his presidency and come

 

against anything Barack would implement.
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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #83)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:40 AM

156. The blowback is real but the quote isn't. It was a reporting error.

 

The reporter has apologized for inaccurately transcribing the interview. Pete didn't even mention Obama, let alone blame him.

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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 02:08 AM

86. Say what? I was taking to you more strongly lately. Now that has changed. Bye!

 

What were you thinking, eh?

Barack cleaned up a repuklican mess and we avoided severe economic disaster.

What th' everlovin' Pete?...
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Response to sprinkleeninow (Reply #86)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:41 AM

158. Please reconsider, because the reporter has apologized for misquoting him.

 

Pete didn't even mention Obama, let alone blame him.

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Response to femmedem (Reply #158)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 03:20 PM

292. Uh, I was considering him being considered as the nominee's running mate.

 

Also feel he needs additional laps around the track for a presidential appointment. But that's my take.

No alluding to past performances, eras, old normals--simply spotlighting and hammering away at repukes, dump et al who specifically caused this greatly incalculable mess of a nightmare.
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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 02:11 AM

87. He'd want to clarify that pretty darn quick.

 

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #87)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 02:47 AM

98. His spokesperson blames it on our ".. bad faith reading.."

 



If that's correct then a lot of people are guilty.. or maybe it was just not a very good way to say what he actually meant?
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Response to Cha (Reply #98)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 06:44 AM

117. Option B !

 

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #117)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:12 AM

189. option C, as it was a complete made up misquote from a sloppy, bad reporter

 

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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 02:14 AM

89. Very concerning to see the reaction to this innocent quote

 

There absolutely has to be some self-reflection within the Democratic Party in order to prevent a figure like Trump from rising again. I actually thought we were on the way there in this primary. The quote could easily have been said by Warren and Sanders. And they have said similar things in the past. Obama was a great president but everyone in this country bears some responsibility for allowing Trump to happen. Like Buttigieg says in his stump speech, "if our economy and our democracy were working the way they were supposed to, a guy like this would never have come within cheating distance of the White House in the first place."
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Response to AngelicaHora (Reply #89)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 02:33 AM

93. There's nothing "innocent" about that quote. Hillary lost despite a 2.9 million vote edge,

 

because of the Electoral College, which was set up to give more weight to the rural, slave-holding states; because of vote suppression of millions of votes; because of Russian interference; and because of the Comey announcements.

NOT because of Obama's mistakes.
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Response to pnwmom (Reply #93)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:10 AM

131. EXACTLY! Why are people forgeting what really gave us trump?

 

Even some here on this thread are doing it.

Buttigieg should know better. What a dumb thing to say about the most popular Dem. And it's not even true.

He just fu_ked up big time.
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Response to pnwmom (Reply #93)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:21 AM

140. Except the quote is inaccurate and the reporter has apologized. Pete didn't mention Obama.

 

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #93)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:53 AM

169. the quote was not innocent . IT WAS MADE UP

 

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #93)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:08 AM

254. I agree completely...Hillary was the most qualified nominee ever.

 

But what I don't get is I listened to the recording...and maybe it is incomplete but I did not hear anything about Hillary or Obama... I did hear the 'old normal' but it is very odd sort of statement.
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Response to AngelicaHora (Reply #89)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 02:34 AM

94. I don't think the economy has anything to do with geting DT elected.

 

I hate to say that I believe there are a lot of people who believed DT's promises, like bringing all those good factory jobs home, stopping immigration so all those jobs they take from YOU will open up. DT is good at picking all the sensitive subjects that bothr a lot of people and promise to fix them. Of course those jobs CAN'T come back because technology eliminated a lot of them, and it's not efficient to build the new modern factories when the finished product is available by importing.

I hope those who believed him in 2016 now realize he lied, but unfortunately I'm positive they have.
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Response to napi21 (Reply #94)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:50 AM

218. I will be blunt - the "economy" had jack shit to do with the getting this lunatic elected POTUS

 

just more of the republicans creating "reality" (an alternative one) and the feckless media breathlessly propagating their bullshit, and FAR too many dems going along for the ride.

The current economy remains an extension of the one this asshole inhereted.

Same economy with dem potus BAD!
Same economy with R potus GREAT!
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Response to AngelicaHora (Reply #89)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 03:08 AM

101. He said it in the context of critiquing Biden as a candidate looking to the past, in other words, to

 

his time in the Obama administration, whereas he, Mayor Pete was a forward looking guy, because
FAILURE of Obama era got us Trump. His stab at thin euphemism did not work. So he avoided saying Obama’s failures, but didn’t work. Obama era failures mean same thing.
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Response to emmaverybo (Reply #101)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 04:16 AM

108. @PeteButtigieg on comparisons to Biden and his criticism of the Obama Administration.

 



That's precisely the way others are seeing it, too..

Points for your description here .. "... his stab at thin euphemism did not work.."
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Response to Cha (Reply #108)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 05:08 AM

113. Points for you, Cha, getting the exact words PB used in that context I referenced. Leaves

 

little doubt. He will reframe it, but if Twitter is any indication, he might have given himself a fatal wound.

Flew too close to the sun. He is in need of a check.
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Response to emmaverybo (Reply #113)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 05:49 AM

115. Thank you, emmaverybo.. it's a little like

 

the Twilight Zone.. another thread telling so many of us we didn't understand what we read.. his spokesperson telling us we were "..reading in bad faith.."




PB needs to do a better job of his messaging if he didn't mean exactly what it sounds like.. causing such an uproar.


I know you've seen these tweets.. just posting again for anyone else who might not have.

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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:52 AM

220. Tweet's gone Cha...could you tell me what it said?

 

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #220)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:01 AM

227. I noticed it's been deleted.. it was

 

Lis Smith saying we were "reading in bad faith what PB said".

I take it she was talking about the quote the reporter got wrong.. because it was attached to this tweet..


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Response to Cha (Reply #227)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:10 AM

256. Thanks.

 

I appreciate it.
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Response to emmaverybo (Reply #101)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:19 AM

137. The OP has an update that

 

PB actually said.. ".. the failures of the old normal.." not sure what that's referring to?

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Response to emmaverybo (Reply #101)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:24 AM

200. That is what I think too. And my response is how dare he? Obama was the best president in my

 

lifetime. Mayor Pete for all his intelligence and verbal acuity was the mayor of a small blue city in Indiana. I have believed since the beginning of the campaign that he needed more experience before becoming president.

This is going to leave a mark and I kind of liked Mayor Pete, but I love Pres. Obama...very disappointing because whether he said Obama's name or not, he was going after the administration which included Obama and Biden.
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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 02:49 AM

99. I can scratch you off, now, Mr. Pete.

 

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Response to demosincebirth (Reply #99)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:03 AM

125. The reporter has apologized for mistranscribing the interview. Pete didn't say Obama era.

 

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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:32 AM

205. I saw it and concluded he was going after the Obama administration which isn't much different than

 

naming Obama...what was Biden in charge then? I don't think so. Why must he and others use Pres. Obama to go after Joe Biden? Talk about what you will do...don't criticize the best Democratic president since Roosevelt or maybe better than Roosevelt because he saved the economy, gave us health care (no other ever came close) and saved the dreamers as well. He did a great deal of good during his term with rabid Republicans nipping at his heels the entire time.

Roosevelt dealt with the aftermath of a failed economy. it was over before he took office...the failing part. But Obama saved our economy from failing despite the GOP best efforts to destroy it. I kept my house thanks to Obama and my husband kept his job in autos thanks to Obama. As far as I am concerned he is the best. My family kept Roosevelt's picture up in our home...he saved my Grandmother's house...and I placed Obama's picture right next to the Roosevelt picture and there it will stay.
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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 03:25 AM

102. He obviously misspoke. He will need to clean that up.

 

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Response to Doodley (Reply #102)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:19 AM

194. it was a complete made up misquote

 

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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 04:13 AM

107. Well Pete, that crap may be worth a couple of points in IA, but just wait till you get to SC.

 

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #107)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:20 AM

195. it was a complete misquote, made up by a sloppy, bad reporter

 

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Response to Celerity (Reply #195)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 12:07 AM

319. However many times I read it, and re-read it, my takeaway is the same. It was an Obama diss.

 

Sorry.
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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #319)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 04:50 AM

330. No. Pure false framing. Sorry. NT

 

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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 04:58 AM

112. I'm disappointed

 

Pete really seemed like a level headed person. But this really will kill his campaign. Obama was hamstrung by the Cons since day 1.
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Response to vercetti2021 (Reply #112)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:22 AM

141. If it kills or damages his campaign, that's heartbreaking because it was a reporting error.

 

Pete didn't even mention Obama. The reporter has apologized, but more people will read the misquote than the apology.
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Response to femmedem (Reply #141)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:33 AM

206. Was it? Whether he mentioned Obama's name or not...the gist is pretty much the same...

 

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #206)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:50 AM

219. Sounds to me like he was talking about problems going back decades.

 

Because of the phrase "very long time."

And he's right: income inequality, environmental degradation, hollowing out of the middle class."

I don't know why you would say he was blaming Obama rather than Congress, or why you would think he was referring only to the Obama years.
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Response to femmedem (Reply #219)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:02 AM

229. It doesn't sound that way to me...he specifically mentions 2016 and he took a shot

 

at Hillary...another one of my favorite people.
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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 06:19 AM

116. Yikes!

 

... not the best way to label them. I think he should switch to "Republicans failure to work with Obama." That helped elevate Trump. The Republicans decided to work against Obama and that roused the Deplorables. Our candidates do explain things without regard to "message" sometimes - but they can correct.

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Response to Mike Nelson (Reply #116)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:03 AM

124. Or go with what really elevated trump, Russians and repug cheating.

 

Can't believe this guy who's supposed to be so smart saying something so dumb.

Just before the November debate he's quoted as blaming Obama for trump. Not smart.

Wonder if it'll come up in the debate.
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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:38 AM

154. He didn't say it! It was a reporting error and the reporter has apologized.

 

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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:05 AM

253. Got it...

 

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Response to femmedem (Reply #154)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:39 AM

265. Thanks, and thank God PB didn't say that. I hope the correx...

 

goes viral too.
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Response to Mike Nelson (Reply #116)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:59 AM

176. it was a complete misquote, a really sloppy and bad reporter

 

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342883
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Response to Celerity (Reply #176)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:04 AM

252. Got it...

 

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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:14 AM

133. Thanks Sid for setting the record striaght +++

 

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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:16 AM

135. Buttigieg is correct about the "again" part

 

Trying to go back to 10 years ago or 60 years ago is not very motivating
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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #135)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:20 AM

139. Nobody wants to go back.. that's

 

a false premise.
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Response to Cha (Reply #139)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:22 AM

142. Biden does and so do many Democrats

 

They think we can just go back to 2009 or 2016 and put things back the way they were.
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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #142)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:31 AM

148. No he doesn't. that's a myth..

 

We're going forward.. that's just something for his rivals to say.

President Obama and his Admin made a lot progress.. it's something to build on going forward.
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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #142)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:18 AM

192. I would kill to go back to 2009. We absolutely have to stop Trumpers...and I don't see how the

 

reporter got the first report from what she later said was the 'real' report. I am hoping she recorded the interview. Those candidates who go after the greatest president in my lifetime will not be successful...not saying that is what happened...but even saying we can't return to that time implying somehow Obama's time wasn't good enough and finding fault with him will still make me never not now not ever support such a person in any primary...sure a general but not a primary.
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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #135)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:05 AM

233. Really, MF4A is kind of like going back to the Roosevelt or Johnson era...plenty want to

 

'go back'. I still take it as a criticism of the Obama administration as a way to go after Biden. I do not approve of such tactics. Maybe I am wrong. Time will tell as Mayor Pete's campaign is going to have to address this more fully.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #233)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:16 AM

240. Reality doesn't matter

 

I’ve seen this before.
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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #240)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:56 AM

249. I can't argue with that...

 

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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:40 AM

157. No one says "old normal". Nt

 

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Response to OrlandoDem2 (Reply #157)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:41 AM

159. Apparently Mayor Pete did..

 

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Response to OrlandoDem2 (Reply #157)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:31 AM

204. it is a take on "new normal" which is used so often it's become cliche

 

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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:51 AM

166. About the mis-quote

 

This reporter should never work in the industry again. He/she may have single handed destroyed Pete’s candidacy with his/her carelessness.
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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:56 AM

173. What a shit show. It's hard to believe 1 reporter can stir up this much crap about a candidate.

 

I don't think an apology is enough. He should never be allowed anywhere near political coverage.
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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #173)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:03 AM

181. I can only see 2/3 of this thread, so...

 

it seems as if it is not just the reporter who is doing a lot of stirring.
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Response to demmiblue (Reply #181)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:06 AM

183. I think Buttiegieg supporters are trying to respond with reports of the retraction from the reporter

 

but, why bother. The people that are so critical aren't going to vote for him anyway. I think they are just trying to set the record straight. Good luck with that.
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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #183)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:09 AM

185. Indeed. It will be ignored or twisted by many. n/t

 

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #185)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:13 AM

190. Is that a fact, demmiblue? Please tell us more..

 

just exactly how are "many going to twist it.. "?

Do you think you're helping by insulting members on such speculation?
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Response to demmiblue (Reply #181)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:10 AM

186. Then you don't really know what's going on..

 

The reporter got Pete's quote wrong and members were reacting to the information that was given in the OP.. until he updated. So don't go blaming DU Members for "stirring".

Or can you even see this post?
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Response to Cha (Reply #186)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:26 AM

201. +1

 

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #201)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:27 AM

202. Thank you, dalton..

 

smh..
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Response to Cha (Reply #202)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:39 AM

210. The same info was reported elsewhere at the time:

 


https://www.newsweek.com/buttigieg-obama-biden-democrats-election-2020-1470934
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Response to dalton99a (Reply #210)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:46 AM

213. Wow.. talk about

 

runaway "news".. in Newsweek for cripe's sake.. now they're going to have to print a retraction and an apology to their readers for the original reporter's getting the quote so wrong.

How did that even happen.. from "..failures of Obama era" to "failures of old normal"?!

Thank you, Dalton
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Response to Cha (Reply #213)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:46 AM

268. So you blame others but not yourself?

 

I counted 36 comments by you on this thread showing true outrage at what turned out to be a false quote. You, like so many others, jumped the gun. But in those 36 comments not one mention that you reacted hastily in crucifying him. Will you be big enough to admit you were wrong?
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Response to Cha (Reply #213)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 03:07 PM

290. Still 'n' all, it should been said that reptilicans in governance, administering, upper-hand

 

controlling in federal state and local ushered in the ruination we find ourselves in presently. Not any mention of old normals or eras or like that.

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Response to sprinkleeninow (Reply #290)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 05:46 PM

303. Some are trying to blame DU for the reporter getting it wrong..

 

Excellent point, sprinkleen!
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Response to Cha (Reply #186)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:20 PM

314. You definitely did most of the stirring

 

And deserve blame for trashing him without knowing all the facts. The decent thing to do would be to admit you jumped the gun and take back the comments. I don't expect you to do that, which tells me all I need to know.
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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #173)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:21 AM

196. +1000

 

Morning Joe even dealt with it, and corrected the record.
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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #173)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 10:24 AM

336. +1000. I was just about to downgrade Pete into my

 

"hold my nose to vote for him if he's the nominee even though I know he will lose" category.

That reporter really f*cked up! Many people may not see the correction.
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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:17 AM

191. I guess I see we need MORE failures like the Obama era which btw, saved the american economy AND

 

the world economy for starters. Perhaps Buttigieg was asleep during those first few years???
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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #191)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:23 AM

199. or failures to read, as it was a complete misquote (the OP finally put that in) mage up by a sloppy

 

bad reporter.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342883
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Response to Celerity (Reply #199)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:03 AM

231. Actually a reporter with an agenda it seems. A two-fer hit on both Pete and Barack.

 

Fire his ass.
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Response to LuvLoogie (Reply #231)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:06 AM

234. and now some are trying to spin it back into a dodgy 'Pete was still attacking Obama' meme

 

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Response to Celerity (Reply #234)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:12 AM

238. Yeah. I'm not getting into the candidate wars this time around. Had Pete actually said

 

what was reported, he'd have some explaining to do.

I was a Hillary supporter last time around and have been since she came on the scene. So i'm pretty focused on getting fuckhead out of the Whitehouse.
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Response to LuvLoogie (Reply #238)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:22 AM

243. me too, and if Pete is not the nominee, then I will gladly vote or the winner

 

I think atm that Biden is probably the surest shot to boot Trump if Pete fails to win. He really needs to have some strong debates though, although he may even overcome that. I support Buttigieg because I think he would make the best POTUS, and I will vote for him in the California primary, but will fully pivot to the winner and try my hardest to get them elected over the monster Rump.

MFA as an election-loser scares the shit out of me. I have no idea why Warren went all in on it. I love much of her agenda, and I would so prefer MFA instead of the current system (at current rates of increase, under the current in-place model, we will spend at least 52.5 trillion USD on healthcare from 2021 to 2020, per the architect of the ACA), but it just will not pass under the current paradigm (I do not think even the Public Option will pass) and it can be used to bash us over the head (especially the 160m people having their health insurance taken away part)in the general.
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Response to Celerity (Reply #199)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 03:24 PM

293. The OP "finally" put that in, less than 1/2 hour after the reporter posted their correction...nt

 

Sid
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Response to SidDithers (Reply #293)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 03:38 PM

296. oki, cool, but I would have deleted the whole thing, as it was literally 'fake news'

 

you still had many coming on even today and thinking he had said that
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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #191)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:36 AM

207. I know...whether he mentioned Obama's name or not...it still sounds like he went after the

 

administration which includes VP Biden. I hope there is a recording. If so, Mayor Pete needs to make it public.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #207)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 03:43 PM

297. you STILL are pushing this tosh?

 

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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:21 AM

197. Where are all the apologies? nt

 

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #197)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:27 AM

203. if you hold your breath until they come, you will pass out

 

In fact I expect to see this debunked tosh repeated for months by some.

sigh
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Response to Celerity (Reply #203)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:17 AM

241. IKR

 

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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:53 AM

222. Here is the audio it has been asked for downthread

 

&feature=youtu.be
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Response to dsc (Reply #222)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:58 AM

225. Thanks

 

He said 'normal'.
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Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:07 AM

235. Thanks!

 

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Response to dsc (Reply #222)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:53 AM

248. I see no hint of blaming Obama in the recording...is this the full recording?

 

I don't quite see how the reporter misunderstood this. If her motives were to damage Mayor Pete than why retract? This is very mysterious.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #248)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:04 PM

272. Too true

 

I don't get how 'failures of the old normal' became 'failures of the Obama era.' I listened to the available audio clip and the 'failures of the old normal' was clear enough even with the background noise. And my hearing sucks.

If this is indeed the right clip then this goes beyond a reporter's error into a reporter's incompetence or deliberate malfeasance during an election season.

That being said, I'd suggest Mayor Pete clarify the statement itself. What exactly is meant by the 'old normal?'
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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #272)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:04 PM

277. I would like to know this too...and I don't see how the reporter heard it wrong either...as you

 

point out, it was very clear.
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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:05 AM

232. Clean out your desk mistake

 

I think Buttigieg would be a fine VP candidate, but I want to see more experience from someone running for President. This kind of mistake only strengthens the disfunctional GOP and reinforces their narrative of sloppy reporting.

I don't know this reporter, but I am wondering how this could be an honest mistake. It is such an explosive quote, I would have verified that I had it right before publishing anything.
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Response to exboyfil (Reply #232)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:14 AM

239. It was a sloppy hit by an amateur it seems. So over these junior conservatives/jill steiners.

 

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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:42 AM

244. Good to know!

 

Thanks for the update.
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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:23 PM

273. This thread is the perfect cautionary tale for 2020.

 

The number of knee-jerk responses to the OP (pre- and post-correction) was stunning. It’s hard not to wonder and worry about the implications for 2020. After all we’ve been through since 2016, how can there still be so many in the DU community who are this easily spooked into stampeding over the cliff? An onslaught of deliberate gaslighting and disinformation is coming our way from tRumpster trolls and their Russian puppet masters, and they won’t be apologizing, or correcting their “mistakes.”
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Response to ariadne0614 (Reply #273)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:37 PM

274. +1

 

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Response to ariadne0614 (Reply #273)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 02:52 PM

286. Well said n/t

 

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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:45 PM

276. CHANGE THE TITLE OF YOUR POST. Please. For the sake of accuracy, don't repeat

 

falsehoods even in the title of your post.
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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 02:56 PM

287. Mods should delete the thread

 

A falsehood with the word "update" next to it isn't gonna cut it.
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Response to Xandric77 (Reply #287)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:36 PM

312. Agreed! (nt)

 

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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 03:01 PM

288. Delete. Is it OK for DU has a 'Fake News' OP

 

which the poster has declined to correct?
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Response to crazytown (Reply #288)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 05:41 PM

300. + 1 bn/t

 

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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 05:43 PM

302. So sick and tired of this

 

Attacking President Obama and HRC is so not a winning strategy.
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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 05:55 PM

306. Pete,

 

Please, do not not use your platform as a Democratic candidate to disparage the party that "brought you to the dance." imo
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Response to saidsimplesimon (Reply #306)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 06:03 PM

307. He didn't do that. The reporter misquoted him.

 

Last edited Tue Nov 12, 2019, 09:00 PM - Edit history (1)

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342805

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287342818

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=343209

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Response to MustLoveBeagles (Reply #307)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 06:07 PM

310. Depressing, isn't it?

 

It is easy to see how fake news spreads so fast all over the internet.
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Response to demmiblue (Reply #310)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:43 PM

316. Yes it is

 

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Response to MustLoveBeagles (Reply #307)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:09 PM

315. Thanks for correcting the record!

 

I love beagles, too. Grew up with a house full of Bassets.
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Response to femmedem (Reply #315)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:47 PM

317. You're welcome

 

I'm glad the OP added the retraction but the headline should've been changed. This will be my final response on this thread as I think it's best to let it die.

I like Bassetts too. I've fostered a few and they were lovable characters.
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Response to saidsimplesimon (Reply #306)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 06:04 PM

308. You should try reading beyond the post title.

 

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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 06:31 PM

311. Thank you for including the reporters retraction

 

Thank you for including the reporters retraction but can you please edit the subject line? People are still clicking on your OP with inaccurate quote and thinking Pete said this.
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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:05 PM

313. Too bad you have decided to let this fake quote stand.

 

Unrec.
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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:58 PM

318. I'll just leave this Tweet.

 


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Response to RLG (Reply #318)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 12:56 AM

322. Beto was accurately quoted, quite different from this complete misquote

 

Sounds like someone with a racist agenda against Pete
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Response to RLG (Reply #318)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 01:05 AM

325. +1

 

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/8/23/1880675/-Beto-NEVER-said-he-was-Born-to-Run-or-to-be-President-Here-is-the-Vanity-Fair-quote-in-context
Beto NEVER said he was Born to Run or to be President. Here is the Vanity Fair quote in context
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Response to RLG (Reply #318)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 01:07 AM

326. Maybe because HE DIDN'T MAKE A STATEMENT DISSING OBAMA...???

 

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Response to RLG (Reply #318)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 04:55 AM

331. Lol, you are still at at, pushing a completely discredited misquote.

 

Give it up. This really is bashing a Democratic public figure with false info, and it is shameful.
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Response to Celerity (Reply #331)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 08:03 AM

334. There is a double standard when it comes to him.

 

I'm just calling it out.
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Response to RLG (Reply #334)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 09:41 AM

335. there is no double standard, it was a goddamn complete misquote nt

 

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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 01:16 AM

327. Would you consider updating your thread title with the corrected quote, Sid?

 

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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 02:57 AM

328. "Never mind!" - Emily Litella

 

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Elizabeth Warren

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Response to SidDithers (Original post)

Tue Nov 12, 2019, 05:39 AM

333. HE WAS MISQUOTED!!!

 

"Here’s the candidate’s full remark: 'I also fundamentally believe that there is no going back. My message is not about going back to where we were. I think because I come from a part of the country where normal has been a real problem for a very long time, and I think the failures of the old normal help explain how we got to Trump, I am much more interested in building a future that is going to have a lot of differences.'"
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