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Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:24 PM

 

Klobuchar says a woman with Buttigieg's experience would not make it to debate stage

Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) said Sunday that women in politics are held to a higher standard than men, arguing that a female candidate with South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigiegís experience probably would not make it to the presidential debate stage.

Klobucharís comments mark the latest instance of a 2020 presidential contender taking aim at Buttigieg, a newcomer on the national political stage whose ascent in the fundraising race and in polls for the Democratic nomination has taken many by surprise.

In the third quarter of the year, Buttigieg raised $19.1 million for his presidential bid, a haul that put him third behind Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who raised $25.3 million, and Warren, who raised $24.6 million. Klobuchar raised $4.8 million in the same period.

Recent polls show Buttigieg gaining ground on Biden, Warren and Sanders, particularly in Iowa, whose caucuses in February mark the first nominating contest of the 2020 primary race. Klobuchar has remained in the single digits.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/klobuchar-says-a-woman-with-buttigiegs-experience-would-not-make-it-to-debate-stage-because-of-different-standard/2019/11/10/cf191e00-03e1-11ea-8292-c46ee8cb3dce_story.html
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Reply Klobuchar says a woman with Buttigieg's experience would not make it to debate stage (Original post)
left-of-center2012 Nov 10 OP
George II Nov 10 #1
Salviati Nov 10 #8
pnwmom Nov 10 #17
dsc Nov 11 #48
judeling Nov 10 #21
efhmc Nov 10 #2
brush Nov 11 #51
Gothmog Nov 10 #3
nycbos Nov 10 #4
apcalc Nov 10 #5
WheelWalker Nov 10 #6
dsc Nov 11 #44
TheFarseer Nov 10 #7
WheelWalker Nov 10 #11
rpannier Nov 10 #14
TheFarseer Nov 10 #25
rpannier Nov 10 #26
dsc Nov 11 #45
pnwmom Nov 10 #18
TheFarseer Nov 10 #22
pnwmom Nov 10 #23
TheFarseer Nov 10 #28
redstateblues Nov 11 #34
Cha Nov 11 #37
TheFarseer Nov 11 #47
aikoaiko Nov 11 #56
customerserviceguy Nov 11 #54
RLG Nov 10 #9
emmaverybo Nov 10 #10
LakeArenal Nov 10 #12
msongs Nov 10 #13
Skittles Nov 10 #15
mcar Nov 10 #16
pnwmom Nov 10 #19
mcar Nov 10 #20
CaliforniaPeggy Nov 10 #24
pnwmom Nov 11 #31
hay rick Nov 10 #29
pnwmom Nov 11 #30
Eric J in MN Nov 11 #38
evertonfc Nov 10 #27
33taw Nov 11 #32
Eric J in MN Nov 11 #39
democrank Nov 11 #33
underthematrix Nov 11 #35
Eric J in MN Nov 11 #40
Celerity Nov 11 #43
SidDithers Nov 11 #36
BlueMTexpat Nov 11 #41
zaj Nov 11 #42
hay rick Nov 11 #50
Renew Deal Nov 11 #46
dansolo Nov 11 #49
exboyfil Nov 11 #52
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:34 PM

1. I love Amy Klobuchar, but that wasn't a very wise comment.

 

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Response to George II (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:54 PM

8. She's not wrong though.

 

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Response to George II (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:06 PM

17. It's true. If Pete was Petra, a gay small-city mayor, she wouldn't be doing as well. nt

 

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #17)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:42 AM

48. actually lesbians and bisexual women have done much better at the ballot box than gay man

 

Both LGBT US Senators are women, one of the two governors, and the first one elected, is a woman. The big city mayors and mayoral candidates have mostly been women (Houston, Chicago, and NYC for example).
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Response to George II (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:35 PM

21. I see it as pretty wise

 

It will be one of the obvious lines of attack on Mayor Pete. But, She delivered at peak Bloomberg.

That is one heck of a multi-layered attack delivered is a way and in a place that hurts her very little.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:39 PM

2. There is still such a divide here. I wish this old feminist could not say it's true.

 

This is why I do not think EW can beat DJT. Not because she is not a great candidate but because we are still such a backward country.
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Response to efhmc (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:55 AM

51. You're right, misogyny is still out there which could cost EW...

 

votes, but there's also that she advocated for MFA without allowing for people to keep their own insurance if preferred.

I do understand she has walked that back now with a transition plan which would allow exceptions. That might be too late though.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:41 PM

3. I agree with Amy

 

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:42 PM

4. She is not wrong.

 

Pete seems like a good guy but he is a small town mayor. He couldn't even convince the DNC members to make him party chairman and now he things he can be president.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:46 PM

5. She's right.

 

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:46 PM

6. If that is true of Buttigieg, surely it is true of Yang is it not?

 

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Response to WheelWalker (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 05:26 AM

44. But yang is straight so it's ok

 

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:54 PM

7. Marianne Williamson made it to the debate stage

 

Proving her wrong. Also the HP lady in the Republican debate.
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Response to TheFarseer (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 09:21 PM

11. I knew there was someone relevant to this discussion I had forgotten. Thank you.

 

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Response to TheFarseer (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 09:32 PM

14. I would argue that is more because of her 'cult-like' following

 

The people who buy her books and turn to her for advice
As to the "HP woman", the Republicans did not have the same criterion in 2016, that the Democrats have for 2020
Just about everyone running got into the Republickkan debate if you had a minutia of support pulse
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Response to rpannier (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:35 PM

25. Didn't the R's in 2016

 

Have a ďkidís tableĒ debate? We could have done that. As many Republicans as there were in 2016, there were even more Democrats in 2020. Itís just so many people you donít even know what to do at some point.
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Response to TheFarseer (Reply #25)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:46 PM

26. You are correct

 

Top half debate and bottom half debate
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Response to rpannier (Reply #14)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 05:27 AM

45. She made the top debate stage at least once

 

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Response to TheFarseer (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:07 PM

18. That doesn't prove her wrong. Marianne hasn't been doing nearly as well as Pete. n/t

 

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #18)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:26 PM

22. Once you make it

 

To the debate stage, itís up to you to woo the voters.
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Response to TheFarseer (Reply #22)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:31 PM

23. Not true. So much is dependent on media attention OFF the debate stage.

 

And the only reason Williamson got anywhere is she already had a non-political platform.
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Response to pnwmom (Reply #23)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:51 PM

28. Your first sentence

 

ďSo much is dependent on media attention off the debate stageĒ. Unfortunately, a solid debate performance can be talked down by a panel of talking heads or a bad performance talked up, but debate viewers still can be impressed in the moment and look into a candidate on their own. The worst thing the media does is completely ignore candidates. Iím not disagreeing with you, I just donít think itís 100% either thing.

Btw, Iíd never heard of her before the debate and was pretty sure she was, letís just say unelectable after.
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Response to TheFarseer (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:20 AM

34. She had no business being in that stage with serious candidates

 

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #34)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:53 AM

37. Exactly, redstateblues!

 

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #34)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:41 AM

47. That's true

 

And neither did Buttigieg just based on jobs theyíve held but they both made it and thatís my only point.
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Response to redstateblues (Reply #34)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 04:41 PM

56. But she got there on her own terms. twice

 


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Response to TheFarseer (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:48 PM

54. There's a difference

 

Pete makes sense when he talks.

And that "lady" is no lady, Carly Fiorina is poison wherever she goes. Even my GOP'er acquaintances back in NY acknowledged that to me. One was livid when Ted Cruz chose her as a running mate just before the California primary. He had been quite the fan of Cruz until that happened!
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 09:05 PM

9. No lies were told.

 

nt
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 09:06 PM

10. I like her, but this is a bad road to go down as it was when Geraldine Ferraro traveled it, with

 

much more spite admittedly and a racist dog-whistle.

It always takes an extraordinary person to be the first. No one gets there by grumbling about the stacked deck. Obama and surrogates never did.

Ageism, racism, homophobia, misogyny, and plain old custom and tradition erect hurdles for all.

Claiming to have the highest hurdle does not help the jump.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 09:26 PM

12. Love Amy but an unnecessary comment.

 

Neither are going to win the primary.

Serious quality staff or possibly VP potential.

Pete doesnít have the experience of Amy but he sure has qualities that make him a very viable candidate for any position. I like him.

Both of them have so much potential. Build up yourselves and donít worry so much about the other one.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 09:26 PM

13. envy is such an ugly emotion nt

 

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 09:41 PM

15. holding women to a higher standard is SOP

 

women have to bet twice a good to be considered half as good
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:05 PM

16. She is correct

 

Klobuchar, Warren and Harris have much more experience than does Mayor Pete, and 2 of them are virtually ignored by the media. A female mayor of a small city wouldn't be given the time of day by the media or the DNC.
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Response to mcar (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:08 PM

19. Right. And a female lesbian mayor of a small city would be given even less serious attention. nt

 

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #19)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:11 PM

20. You got that right

 

I've got nothing against Mayor Pete. I just think it's too soon for him, and he's getting all this attention to the detriment of much more qualified candidates.

He got 8000 votes in his last election and is running for president. Harris, by example, got 7 million. But she is ignored by the media.
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Response to mcar (Reply #20)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:33 PM

24. He's getting all this attention because he has worked for it.

 

If the "more qualified" candidates aren't getting this level of attention, perhaps they should be working harder.

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #24)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:05 AM

31. Yeah, right. n/t

 

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #19)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:55 PM

29. Even if she was a Rhodes scholar and had done a tour in Afghanistan?

 

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Response to hay rick (Reply #29)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:02 AM

30. Even if. nt

 

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Response to mcar (Reply #16)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 04:23 AM

38. Marianne Williamson never had a government job

 

...but she was in a debate and was in the recent ďPresidential Forum on Environmental JusticeĒ in SC.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:48 PM

27. oh please

 

The guy has accomplished more at his age than anyone on stage. He is a combat veteran, ridiocusly educated, speaks 5 languages and a mayor. Come on. The debate stage is determined by voters...
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:07 AM

32. Any republican that bitches can all Sarah Palin. Mayor to a small town.

 

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Response to 33taw (Reply #32)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 04:24 AM

39. Sarah Palin was also governor of Alaska. NT

 

NT
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:08 AM

33. Pete Buttigieg earned his spot on the debate stage.

 

Iím sure Amy Klobucharís poison darts werenít the first ever aimed at him.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:21 AM

35. I refer everyone to the FIRST interview

 

Rachel Maddow did with Mayor Pete. Then read his wiki page and pay close attention to his background.

He worked for McKinsey and Company as a consultant and was a NAVAL INTELLIGENCE reserve officer with a tour of duty in Afghanistan.

He has a very interesting background but I find it more than puzzling that he would think he has the qualifications AND executive network to be president.

He never got on my short list, mostly because of the Maddow interview.
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Response to underthematrix (Reply #35)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 04:26 AM

40. What was the big deal with that interview? NT

 

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Response to underthematrix (Reply #35)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 05:13 AM

43. I assume you will have issues with Chelsea Clinton and Susan Rice

 

as they are ex McKinsey employees too?

As for experience he has 8 years as an executive (and in a strong mayor system to boot) overseeing a budget and staff that dwarfs a Senator's or a Representative's. His academic background is as close to ideal for a future president as one can get, including an ultra rare 'Oxford First' whilst a Rhode Scholar in their extraordinary rigourous Philosophy, Politics and Economics (PPE) programme. His military experience is also a large plus, as is his ability to speak 8 languages, as this shows not only great cognitive skills, but also gives him perspective on the world at large in terms of neuro-linguistic vision and conceptualisation of the world at large.

To say that a lesbian version of Pete would be getting less attention is playing what if games, as there is no lesbian version of Pete to do a valid comparison to. As for women and our Party's nomination, look at who won in 2016, and look at who is the clear second place candidate nationally (and clear leader in IA and NH overall.)

Finally, take away the Obama VP role from Biden, and he would never have gotten within 100 miles of even running again for POTUS, let alone being the national leader, after his 2 previous failed runs. Taking that away is not possible, however, just the same as speculative interjections of some mythical lesbian version of Buttigieg.

I support Buttigieg because I find him to be extraordinarily gifted and I truly believe he would make the best POTUS out of the current group running. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:37 AM

36. Why not say something positive about your candidate?...

 



Sid
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 04:37 AM

41. While I may concur generally

 

with what Klobuchar said, it is comments like this as well as her taking lots of gratuitous shots at Warren that have dropped her from my top three in my ranked-choice voting.

My first two choices remain the same, although my #2 Harris seems to be struggling more than I thought that she would. But Buttigieg has replaced Klobuchar in my RCV.

Just my two bits!

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ETA: I just recently saw what I consider to be a gratuitous slur from Buttigieg against Warren: a paraphrase = fighting for fighting's sake.

That's one that I've noticed and now I'm watching more carefully.


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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 05:12 AM

42. Uh, Tulsi Gabbard says "Hi"... from the debate stage

 

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Response to zaj (Reply #42)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:25 AM

50. LOL.

 

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:40 AM

46. Buttigieg isn't successful because of biography.

 

He is successful because of message and contrast with an otherwise elderly field.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:54 AM

49. Umm... Are we forgetting Marianne Williamson?

 

She made it to the debate stage with no experience whatsoever.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:58 AM

52. The military service gains him a lot of credibility

 

He is more qualified that Beto who should have run for Senate again.

I don't think she gains anything by tearing down other candidates in that way. I may need to reconsider my support for her in the Iowa caucus.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:01 PM

53. She's not wrong?

 

Marrianne Williamson made it to the stage. How is she more experienced than PB? Tulsi Gabbard is on the stage, she's a 38 year old 3 term representative with nothing of significance in her record. As a mayor he's atleast had to make executive decisions that actually effected people directly.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 04:39 PM

55. I think Marianne Williamson making it to the debate stage blows up that claim.

 


I'm also sure that Stacey Abrams would have made it deep in the party nomination process (multiple debates) had she thrown her hat in.

Her political success is on par with Buttigieg.

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