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Sun Nov 10, 2019, 07:04 PM

 

A retail worker who misses a shift because of an emergency can be fired on the spot.


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Reply A retail worker who misses a shift because of an emergency can be fired on the spot. (Original post)
Uncle Joe Nov 10 OP
Kurt V. Nov 10 #1
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Uncle Joe Nov 10 #3
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Uncle Joe Nov 10 #5
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George II Nov 10 #16
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Response to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 07:15 PM

1. when we the ppl are convinced we're merely another commodity in the great rat race, this happens

 

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Response to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 07:48 PM

2. I do not see this anywhere at the link.

 

A retail worker who misses a shift because of an emergency can be fired on the spot.


This is a quote from Bernie? Does he have a link? I have been in retail from sales to management for over 40 years and with many different companies. I have never heard of such a thing. One store I managed, we had a single mother. She called out from time to time when her daughter was sick. We made adjustments.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 07:52 PM

3. Here you go.

 



Can you get fired for one no call no show?

yes. Many U.S. states now have "employment at will," meaning that a company can terminate you at any time, with or without cause.
EMERGENCY: Can I get fired for technically one "no call no show ...

https://www.reddit.com › jobs › comments › emergency_can_i_get_fired_fo...


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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:14 PM

4. Not sure what I am suppose to read.

 

There are 100's of articles like this:


This man is recycling old picnic coolers into shelters for stray cats for winter! How very cool is this?!


bruh sometimes i just catch him chillin and vibing out and i think maybe i should record. thought you guys would appreciate a couple more clips of Badger, it's been a while

etc~

That is not a link. What is reddit all about? Reminds me of FB. Reddit is where Bernie's quote came from?
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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:31 PM

5. Here try this one

 



Can your job fire you for a family emergency?

Unless the family emergency is covered under FMLA AND the employer knew or should have known that to be the case, then yes, you can be legally fired for missing work due to a family emergency; yes, it is legal for them to contest your unemployment (the employer does not have the power to either grant or deny benefits; ...Dec 18, 2012

Can You Be Fired for Missing Work Due to a Family Emergency ...

https://www.expertlaw.com › forums › showthread



Of course there are other emergencies in addition to medical whether it be transportation disruptions or major domestic/social upheavals.
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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 09:09 PM

9. Nope.

 

You are quoting in your post from some sort of statement from 2012 and linking to this article written in 2018:

Uncle Joe
5. Here try this one



Can your job fire you for a family emergency?

Unless the family emergency is covered under FMLA AND the employer knew or should have known that to be the case, then yes, you can be legally fired for missing work due to a family emergency; yes, it is legal for them to contest your unemployment (the employer does not have the power to either grant or deny benefits; ...Dec 18, 2012

Can You Be Fired for Missing Work Due to a Family Emergency ...

https://www.expertlaw.com › forums › showthread


and linking to this article written in 2018:


Human Factors in Accidents

This is about industrial accidents/ work accidents and has nothing to do with your OP where Bernie states in a tweet that:


Bernie Sanders

@SenSanders


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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 09:20 PM

10. I'm not even sure what your quibble is?

 

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 09:30 PM

12. I asked you simply and directly for data to support...

 

I asked you simply and directly for data to support to support BS statement that:


Bernie Sanders

@SenSanders


A retail worker who misses a shift because of an emergency can be fired on the spot.


I consider a tweet a quote. I am asking his source for the statement. I already stated my experiences, over 40 years in the field and never saw that happen once.
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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:06 PM

24. Teh Bernie !1!!

 

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 09:30 PM

13. "Employment at will" doesn't mean that someone can get fired for one no show. That's preposterous..

 

"Employment at will" does not allow a company to terminate employees without cause. Period!

Plus, any termination depends on the circumstances of the "no show". If one calls in prior to the shift, I doubt ANYONE gets fired. Despite the level of job, it's costly for employers to hire and train workers. Surely an employer won't dismiss someone for one no show, even if there wasn't a call in advance.

Are there any documented examples of this being a pervasive problem? That is, other than an isolated incident in a country of 330 million people?

Aside from the sensationalism, almost EVERY state has an EEOC that protects employees. CT has a CHRO (Commission on Human Rights and Opportunity, the OLDEST in the nation) that protects the rights of employees, even "at will" employees.

BTW, reddit is hardly a definitive source for legal interpretation or advice!
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Response to George II (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 09:38 PM

14. 'Employment at will" does not allow a company to terminate employees without cause. Period!'

 

Uh, yes it does. That is exactly what it allows a company to do. Period.
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Response to melman (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 09:41 PM

16. Good to see you again, melman.

 



But no it doesn't.
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Response to George II (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 09:42 PM

17. Of course it does

 

That is exactly what it does.
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Response to melman (Reply #17)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 09:45 PM

19. And just what is your experience in matters like this, any?

 

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Response to melman (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:07 PM

25. It's bizarre that this is even an argument here.

 

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #25)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:17 PM

27. Bizarre but not surprising

 

Some people are very consistent in their worldview.
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Response to melman (Reply #27)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:03 PM

44. I'll try again. And just what is your experience in matters like this, any? In other words....

 

...what is your "worldview"?
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Response to George II (Reply #44)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:13 PM

50. Funny

 

I must have missed where you shared your ''experience in these matters''


Perhaps you can show where you did that. Some cold hard facts maybe?
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Response to George II (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:45 AM

64. What?

 

"Employment at will" does not allow a company to terminate employees without cause. Period!


That's exactly what it does -- unless you're a member of a protected class or terms of termination are addressed in a contract.
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Response to George II (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 08:07 AM

67. What do you think it means, then?

 

From https://www.usa.gov/labor-laws:

Some states are "employment-at-will" states, which means that if there is no employment contract (or collective bargaining agreement), an employer can let an employee go for any reason, or no reason, with or without notice, as long as the discharge does not violate a law.

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Response to George II (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:34 AM

69. you are wrong

 




At-will employment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment

At-will employment is a term used in U.S. labor law for contractual relationships in which an employee can be dismissed by an employer for any reason (that is, without having to establish "just cause" for termination), and without warning, as long as the reason is not illegal (e.g. firing because of the employee's race or religion). When an employee is acknowledged as being hired "at will," courts deny the employee any claim for loss resulting from the dismissal. The rule is justified by its proponents on the basis that an employee may be similarly entitled to leave his or her job without reason or warning. The practice is seen as unjust by those who view the employment relationship as characterized by inequality of bargaining power.
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Response to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:38 PM

6. What Sanders policy is going to address this issue?

 

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:48 PM

7. I believe some of Bernie's proposals will go a long way.

 



(snip)

The Vermont independent's agenda would guarantee workers eventually take control, through the issuance of new stock, of 20% stakes in the country's largest companies, while mandating that employees elect 45% of corporate boards of directors. The Sanders plan would also impose strict new guidelines on mega-mergers, while asking a revamped Federal Trade Commission to review deals pushed through during the Trump administration.

(snip)

But it is the stock transfer plan that would likely have the most significant impact on the ways companies do business.

Those inside the parameters drawn up by Sanders would be required to issue new shares of stock, in increments of at least 2% per year, until the total employee ownership reaches 20%. The plan would create "Democratic Employee Ownership Funds," which would be controlled by a board of trustees directly elected by workers. Stock dividends would be paid out directly from those funds.

Sanders said "having employees directly vested in the company's success and playing a role in the decision-making process will lead to different outcomes. Outcomes that will benefit working people as opposed to stockholders driven by profit margins."

(snip)

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/14/politics/bernie-sanders-worker-ownership-plan/index.html



There is much more on the link.
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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 09:45 PM

18. Unfortunately, Sanders doesn't understand how it works in corporations or the working world...

 

"...having employees directly vested in the company's success and playing a role in the decision-making process will lead to different outcomes" is simply not true.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:11 PM

26. ?

 

Trying to link proposals regarding the composition of corporate boards with at-will employment is a stretch.

The only thing that I see is that Bernie wants to impose more regulations against business. That isn't going to be a winner in a general election.

The requirement that companies issue new stock will also have a negative economic effect since it deceases the stock prices of the currently outstanding shares. Considering that there are mutual funds and pension funds that are invested in those stocks, it will affect the people that are depending upon that income in their retirements. While Bernie may have good intentions, his proposal appears to have potential negative outcomes.
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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:23 PM

30. Have you ever heard of reverse stock splits?

 

How would Bernie's proposal to issue new shares of stocks work when companies are forced into reverse stock splits in order to avoid being delisted by stock market exchanges. The purpose of reverse stock splits is to decrease the number of shares available while retaining the same market capitalization so the price per share remains above a certain price. Having mandated issuances of stock runs counters to those goals and may contribute to a company becoming delisted which influences their ability to raise capital, increases the interest rates they pay, and the ability of the company to stay in business.

It doesn't really help anyone to have more employees on company boards if the company fails and all of the workers are left unemployed.
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Response to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 09:29 PM

11. More red meat for the supporters n/t

 

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Response to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 09:38 PM

15. Having been in retail management

 


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A retail worker who misses a shift because of an emergency can be fired on the spot.


Having been in retail management with the ability to hire and fire, BS is incorrect. Every company has to cover their butts. Document. Document. Document. Written warnings. 1.2.3. Signatures in front of witnesses to the documentation and interviews with the employee. No company would fire someone on the spot in fear of lawsuits.
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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #15)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 09:50 PM

20. Precisely!! NO one can be dismissed without the reasons being documented, and this BS about...

 

.....being dismissed for one no show is simply not true. But it makes for great fundraising tweets and emails.
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Response to George II (Reply #20)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 09:57 PM

22. Exactly.

 

There has to be history and documentation.
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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #22)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:41 PM

54. The dirt file

 

Which is why employers pack "dirt files" into personell records, and rarely list skills or achievements.

Ready to be railroaded, at the whim of "management".
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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #15)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 09:54 PM

21. Because companies never break the rules.

 

Except when they do.

Two million at will employees are fired every year. When impartial arbitrators are given the opportunity to review termination decisions, half of them are found to be unjust. Experts believe that at least 150,000 people are unjustly fired every year.

https://www.aclu.org/other/legislative-briefing-kit-wrongful-discharge?redirect=legislative-briefing-kit-wrongful-discharge#8
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Response to progressoid (Reply #21)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:00 PM

23. And getting sued for it.

 

https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Employment+at+Will

Much of this is about union workers. I was never in a union.
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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #23)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:21 PM

28. lol so now ur logic is union workers are treated worse?

 

ssssttttttrrrrrrreeeeetttttccccccccccccchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh



lmao
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Response to questionseverything (Reply #28)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:30 PM

31. From the article yes.

 

I actually read the article.

However I as a non union worker was treated like s**t. My company, one of them I worked for refused the union.
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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #23)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:33 PM

33. How many minimum wage workers have the means to sue their employer?

 

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Response to progressoid (Reply #33)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:46 PM

35. No clue.

 

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #35)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:55 PM

39. Do you know any minimum wage workers?

 

Do they seem like they have the time, resources or even knowledge of the law to undertake such an endeavor?
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Response to progressoid (Reply #39)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:11 PM

48. I do.

 

progressoid
39. Do you know any minimum wage workers?
Do they seem like they have the time, resources or even knowledge of the law to undertake such an endeavor?


Or even the knowledge? I sure hope you are not saying that minimum wage workers are uneducated and without knowledge. They don't have to sue alone, they can do a class action.
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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #48)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:22 PM

51. Yes, some aren't knowledgeable about the law.

 

That's how they are taken advantage of.


And no, they can't necessarily "do a class action."

From last year:

In a decision last month that will have widespread ramifications, the Supreme Court basically barred workers nationwide from launching class-action lawsuits against employers. In the ruling in the case, Epic Systems Corp. v. Lewis, five justices made it that much harder for workers to collectively seek justice in court against employers’ abuses at work.

For an individual worker, the ruling would channel a typical workplace grievance—even one dealing with major questions of civil and labor rights—into an individual mandatory-arbitration process, effectively controlled by the employer.

https://www.thenation.com/article/supreme-courts-war-class-action-lawsuits/



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Response to progressoid (Reply #51)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:25 PM

53. I posted to you below.

 

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #53)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:42 PM

55. It's citing events from the 1980's

 

Newsflash. Times have changed since the 80's.



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Response to progressoid (Reply #33)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:53 PM

38. How many minimum wage workers lose their jobs for not showing up for a shift? Probably....

 

....close to zero.

This whole OP is based on virtually zero real life facts, mostly speculation. Would like to see some cold hard facts. Not holding my breath though.
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Response to George II (Reply #38)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:56 PM

40. OK, but we're cool with the CEO getting a 33% pay raise and making 20 million a year though right?

 

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Response to progressoid (Reply #40)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:58 PM

42. The premise of the OP is that a shift worker loses his/her job for a single no-show....

 

...let's concentrate on that, okay?
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Response to George II (Reply #42)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:08 PM

46. I posted the ACLU link

 

You were looking for cold hard facts.

Two million at will employees are fired every year. When impartial arbitrators are given the opportunity to review termination decisions, half of them are found to be unjust. Experts believe that at least 150,000 people are unjustly fired every year.

https://www.aclu.org/other/legislative-briefing-kit-wrongful-discharge?redirect=legislative-briefing-kit-wrongful-discharge#8


That's 100,000 people a year that are fired unjustly (of the ones reviewed). Just a guess, but I imagine some of those were for missing a shift.

Got some cold hard facts to dispute the ACLU?
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Response to progressoid (Reply #46)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 09:27 AM

68. Boom. There it is. When I worked in retail and the food industry I have seen it many times.

 

I know a young woman who lost her job when the fucking road was closed because of snow.
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Response to Autumn (Reply #68)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:05 PM

72. Yep.

 

Why this has to be explained on a Democratic website is beyond me.

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Response to George II (Reply #42)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:13 PM

49. Oh Snap.

 

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Response to George II (Reply #42)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 03:20 AM

62. No George, you are just wrong

 

Reading the very short tweet, he says they can be fired for missing a shift due to an emergency, which is legal and can happen, and does happen.

The tweet is about the CEO who oversaw the company through a huge loss and he left the company with a bonus and a multi million dollar package.

Let's concentrate on that part of it. Or are you OK with CEO's making millions for ruining companies while the employees get shafted?
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Response to Lordquinton (Reply #62)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:42 AM

71. "Let's concentrate on that part of it"

 

Yeah, interesting how the people shitting on this skipped right over that part.
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Response to progressoid (Reply #21)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:22 PM

29. Companies may break the rules, but there is always legal recourse, and generally prevails.

 

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Response to George II (Reply #29)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:30 PM

32. Sure. A single mother working minimum wage has the time and resources to sue her employer.

 

Happens all the time.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #32)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:35 PM

34. In most (if not all) states one doesn't have to sue his/her employer. Just file a complaint...

 

...with the state's EEOC or equivalent.
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Response to George II (Reply #34)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:47 PM

36. Thank you!

 

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Response to George II (Reply #34)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:51 PM

37. From Sheshe2' link:

 

Some state legislatures have enacted legislation that struggles to balance the rights of the employee and the employer. In 1987, Montana passed the Montana Wrongful Discharge from Employment Act (Mont. Code Ann. § 39-2-901). This law limits the rights of employees claiming wrongful discharge, by restating the principle that at-will employees may be dismissed for "any reason considered sufficient by the terminating party."


Workers rights have been eroding.

Age discrimination.
Class-action arbitration
Shrinking the NLRB
ETC

I get that you don't like Bernie. But let's not pretend like everything is hunky dory for workers.




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Response to progressoid (Reply #37)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 10:56 PM

41. Workers' rights on a Federal level have not been eroding. When a state complaint is filed....

 

...with the state Equal Employment Opportunities Commission, it is simultaneously filed with the Federal EEOC.
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Response to George II (Reply #41)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:02 PM

43. Federal level?

 

Retail workers on a Federal level?
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Response to progressoid (Reply #43)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:04 PM

45. Read my post again. Thanks!

 

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Response to George II (Reply #45)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:08 PM

47. Sure. Got some cold hard facts to back up that statement?

 

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Response to progressoid (Reply #37)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:23 PM

52. From my link.

 

As a result, a greater number of discharged workers brought suits alleging Wrongful Discharge from employment. By the 1980s, as concepts of job security expanded, employees became increasingly successful in such suits. In 1987, California juries ruled in favor of the employees in over two-thirds of such cases and granted an average award of $1.5 million. In some successful cases, the courts have created exceptions to the employment-at-will practice. Thus far, these exceptions have fallen into three broad categories: (1) breach of contract by the employer, (2) breach of an implied Covenant of Good Faith and fair dealing, and (3) violation of public policy by the employer. Employers and legislatures have responded in a variety of ways.


Hmm

I get that you don't like Bernie. But let's not pretend like everything is hunky dory for workers.


Not sure where anyone said that, see underlined/bolded text. My comments all started with a tweet from Bernie where the OP cannot give a source to the quote.


Bernie Sanders

@SenSanders


A retail worker who misses a shift because of an emergency can be fired on the spot.


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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #15)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:36 AM

60. Employment at will - termination for any reason or no reason at all- bye-bye

 

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #15)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:48 AM

65. Documenting, progressive discipline and witnesses are certainly to be expected at a large retail

 

chain. But smaller restaurants and stores aren't going to follow those procedures, and can and do fire people on the spot for no-shows. Pretending it doesn't happen or is very rare doesn't help anyone.
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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #15)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:01 AM

70. Bullshit.

 

Employment at most workplaces is at-will. You can be fired for virtually any reason, at any time.

Your employer may have had rules on the books as a matter of internal policy.
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Response to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:49 PM

56. I know Texas is a right to work state.

 

You can be fired or let go for no cause. I have a friend who is a manager at a medical supply manufacturer. If you are hourly they have a point system. If you are late, or miss work for any reason and accumulate 3 points in any 90 day period , you are fired. No matter what the reason. Even if you are ill, and can provide a doctor's note. This company makes medical supplies the need to be sterile.

These same rules do not apply to supervisors or managers.
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Response to BigMin28 (Reply #56)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:07 AM

58. What you are detailing is documented 'violations'.

 

BigMin28
56. I know Texas is a right to work state.


You can be fired or let go for no cause. I have a friend who is a manager at a medical supply manufacturer. If you are hourly they have a point system. If you are late, or miss work for any reason and accumulate 3 points in any 90 day period , you are fired. No matter what the reason. Even if you are ill, and can provide a doctor's note. This company makes medical supplies the need to be sterile.


Documented. Documented. Three strikes and you are out in a 90 day period. All documented fair or not.

The OP quotes BS as saying:

A retail worker who misses a shift because of an emergency can be fired on the spot.


No warnings. No documentation.
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Response to BigMin28 (Reply #56)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:40 AM

63. You are conflating "right to work" with "at-will employment."

 

"Right to work" is a state rule that means you can benefit from collective bargaining contracts without paying union dues. "At-will employment" is an understanding of federal employment law that means your employer can fire you for any reason other than being a member of a protected class, or unless you are covered by a contract, and it applies in all states, with very small exceptions in a couple of states.
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Response to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:59 PM

57. technically, maybe...

 

In the world we live in, rarely, unless you're a sorry piece of crap boss, and I mean on the lowest end of crappiness. Not much of a boogeyman to make a point.
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Response to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:42 AM

59. Cause is needed only to avoid

 

Paying into unemployment.
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Response to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 02:28 AM

61. Rec. Thank you, Uncle Joe. n/t

 

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Response to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Mon Nov 11, 2019, 07:55 AM

66. This is an issue I'm happy to see getting some attention

 

There is a really good article on this issue here

It goes on to list some exceptions but I feel this is a very valuable read informative read. If you get the time, please check it out.

"Whether you can be fired for no reason, when you did nothing wrong, depends on your employment status and specifically on whether you are an at-will employee. In most of the United States, employees are generally considered “at will” employees. At-will means that you or your employer can terminate your job on a moment's notice for any reason, whether good, bad, indifferent or for no reason at all. The law in most states presumes that an employee is at-will unless the employee can prove otherwise. This means that unless the termination violates federal or state law, company policies, or an implied contract, there is very little that an at-will employee can do to protest a termination without a reason.

For cause employment is just the opposite. In these cases, the employer cannot terminate the employee without cause, and to discharge the employee there must be a legitimate reason. For example, some companies have policies that require for-cause justifications for employee terminations. These policies are typically outlined in employee handbooks. Some employees may be protected from termination without just cause under the terms of a contract. Certain types of employees such as members of labor unions or government employees are protected as well. One state, Montana, prohibits at-will terminations if the employee successfully completes an initial probationary period of employment.

While the law in most states presumes that an employee has at will employment, there are several exceptions to the general rule that employees can be fired without cause. An at-will employee still has employment rights. If you believe you have been terminated unjustly, you should seek the advice of an employment lawyer to discuss the laws in your state."


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