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Thu Nov 7, 2019, 09:05 PM

 

We need to be talking about tax policy like adults would. We need to speak in the language that

people are use to.

Things like repeal the trump tax cut. Things like more fair tax rate schedules.

That's how voters and adults talk about taxes.

Not "tax Bill Gates." Not "wealth tax." That's like sticking your head above a fox hole and daring the enemy to shoot it off!

The left is as gullible toward Bernie and Warren as MAGA's are toward trump. I am really disappointed at the childhood level of the political debate coming from top tear candidates.


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Kamala Harris

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Reply We need to be talking about tax policy like adults would. We need to speak in the language that (Original post)
wasupaloopa Nov 7 OP
NYMinute Nov 7 #1
JoeOtterbein Nov 7 #3
guillaumeb Nov 7 #8
Hoyt Nov 7 #17
guillaumeb Friday #22
dansolo Saturday #33
JoeOtterbein Nov 7 #2
NYMinute Nov 7 #4
JoeOtterbein Nov 7 #5
PhoenixDem Nov 7 #9
Dem4Life1102 Nov 7 #10
JoeOtterbein Nov 7 #11
wasupaloopa Nov 7 #14
JoeOtterbein Nov 7 #16
Dem4Life1102 Nov 7 #18
JoeOtterbein Nov 7 #19
Dem4Life1102 Nov 7 #20
Voltaire2 Saturday #34
Voltaire2 Saturday #35
guillaumeb Nov 7 #6
wasupaloopa Nov 7 #15
guillaumeb Friday #21
Post removed Nov 7 #13
PhoenixDem Nov 7 #7
Humanist_Activist Friday #23
PhoenixDem Friday #24
Humanist_Activist Saturday #25
redqueen Saturday #26
Humanist_Activist Saturday #27
redqueen Saturday #31
Voltaire2 Saturday #36
PhoenixDem Saturday #28
Humanist_Activist Saturday #29
PhoenixDem Saturday #30
Humanist_Activist Saturday #32
betsuni Nov 7 #12
TheFarseer Saturday #37

Response to wasupaloopa (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 09:08 PM

1. K&R

 

The wealth tax is a big loser in the GE just as much as M4A.

It only excites the far left wing but most of America dislikes it. We are Americans and many of us aspire to be billionaires one day.
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Response to NYMinute (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 09:10 PM

3. That's a pretty thought.

 

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Response to NYMinute (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 09:14 PM

8. Many of us aspire to be billionaires?

 

I have never met anyone who admitted to that. Perhaps we move in different social circles.
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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 10:27 PM

17. Hope you make it, we need more Billionaires to tax and keep the cost from falling on middle and

 

lower income groups for all the things we want/need.
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Response to Hoyt (Reply #17)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 12:57 PM

22. And these same billionaires purchase politicians

 

to insure that the 1% pay less and less.
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Response to NYMinute (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 9, 2019, 09:59 AM

33. Worse than that, it is not sustainable

 

You can't denounce billioniares and make your funding dependant on them at the same time.
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Response to wasupaloopa (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 09:09 PM

2. Billionaires need to pay their fair share. Regardless if they like it or not.

 

We can't afford them unless they can come up with 90%. Like the patriots in the USA used to do.
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Response to JoeOtterbein (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 09:10 PM

4. Then raise their income tax

 

taxing money that they have already paid taxes on or have not yet earned? SMDH
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Response to NYMinute (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 09:11 PM

5. We will when we elect Bernie. Are you in? The poor and sick need our help ASAP.

 

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 09:14 PM

9. BS is finished .. he will never be the nominee n/t

 

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 09:41 PM

10. I hate to break this to you

 

But Sanders won’t be the nominee or be elected President.
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Response to Dem4Life1102 (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 09:43 PM

11. Thanks for your kindness.

 

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 09:53 PM

14. You really should thank them

 

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Response to wasupaloopa (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 10:00 PM

16. I thank all DUers! I'll need them next November!

 

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 11:04 PM

18. You're very welcome 😉

 

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Response to Dem4Life1102 (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 11:11 PM

19. I have to admit that I'm impressed that you used the polite answer. Notice how many on TV say...

 

..."thank you" in response to a "thank you". Miss Manners would have been appalled! Now I have to thank YOU for the LOL!
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Response to JoeOtterbein (Reply #19)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 11:21 PM

20. Again

 

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Response to NYMinute (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 9, 2019, 03:06 PM

34. They frequently have little 'income'

 

compared to their huge pile of wealth accumulating value.

So sure, make income taxes more progressive, but a wealth tax directly addresses the gross inequality 40 years of reagonomics has produced.
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Response to NYMinute (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 9, 2019, 03:13 PM

35. My social security is taxed.

 

SYDH.

Make more than 30k? Your ss benefit is taxed.

Sales taxes are paid using dollars you already paid taxes on. SYDH.

“Taxing money you already paid taxes on” is a right wing meme. Lots of “taxed money” is taxed again. I guess just not for billionaires accumulating more billions. Poor babies.


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Response to JoeOtterbein (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 09:13 PM

6. Is it my imagination, or was this post "inspired" by an earlier post of mine

 

that quoted from a different candidate?
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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 09:56 PM

15. I think these thoughts daily reading DU.

 

In my 73 years on earth 2020 will probably be the most consequential year of my life.

Yet two of our top candidates act as if we have the presidency in the bag and just what kind of candy do you want kids?

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Response to wasupaloopa (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 12:55 PM

21. If we accept that many things are basically unsolvable,

 

they will remain unsolvable.

Even though many of these problems have already been solved by most other industrialized countries.
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Response to wasupaloopa (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 09:13 PM

7. Very well put

 

Americans, by and large, don't begrudge rich people - they look up to them.

The wealth tax and M4A will be big losers in the GE.

Joe Biden has the right ideas.
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Response to PhoenixDem (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 12:59 PM

23. "they look up to them" and you don't see this as a massive problem.

 

The billionaires are the class that exploits the working class the most. Why the fuck should we look up to them?
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Response to Humanist_Activist (Reply #23)

Fri Nov 8, 2019, 09:43 PM

24. They don't exploit anyone

 

Bill Gates formed a company, its products were popular and made the company billions. He employed thousands of people. The investors wanted to buy stock in his company and the stock price went up so he is rich.


Where did he exploit anyone?

This meme or billionaires exploiting people is utterly false.
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Response to PhoenixDem (Reply #24)

Sat Nov 9, 2019, 07:46 AM

25. Oh please, every billionaire has had to exploit people to get where they are...

 

you can't be that naive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Microsoft#Labor_practices

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/29/bill-gates-charity-work-business-practices
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Response to Humanist_Activist (Reply #25)

Sat Nov 9, 2019, 07:54 AM

26. Hope those links show how he built Microsoft by ripping off competitors

 

and screwing over the people who worked with him early on.
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Response to redqueen (Reply #26)

Sat Nov 9, 2019, 07:57 AM

27. Oh it does, but I'm just amazed that there are so many people I call...

 

wealth worshippers on this board. Behind every great hoard is probably a great crime, but for sure it wasn't acquired ethically.
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Response to Humanist_Activist (Reply #27)

Sat Nov 9, 2019, 09:06 AM

31. It seems to be increasingly popular

 

we're seeing two very popular candidates get hammered for daring to do anything to threaten the constant transfer of wealth upward.

And people wonder why so many don't vote.
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Response to redqueen (Reply #31)

Sat Nov 9, 2019, 08:52 PM

36. The stakes are huge. This could be a sea-change election.

 

So the possibility of a serious center-left reform era is real, and the oligarchs are going to do whatever they can to derail that prospect.
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Response to Humanist_Activist (Reply #25)

Sat Nov 9, 2019, 08:46 AM

28. So?

 

I don't see exploitation there.
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Response to PhoenixDem (Reply #28)

Sat Nov 9, 2019, 08:49 AM

29. Ah, so you don't see exploitation as exploitation...

 

Sorry, can't debate with someone removed from reality like this.
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Response to Humanist_Activist (Reply #29)

Sat Nov 9, 2019, 08:54 AM

30. Your definition of exploitation is too broad n/t

 

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Response to PhoenixDem (Reply #30)

Sat Nov 9, 2019, 09:10 AM

32. Anyone earning only a fraction of their value in labor as wages is exploited on some level.

 

This should be a given.

Question, what do you do for a living?
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Response to wasupaloopa (Original post)

Thu Nov 7, 2019, 09:46 PM

12. Agree.

 

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Response to wasupaloopa (Original post)

Sat Nov 9, 2019, 09:01 PM

37. I agree and disagree

 

I would hope our candidates would say something intelligent like we need to tax all income the same whether it's a W-2 or investments or business income or hidden in the Cayman islands. However, the Republican's never get past "THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE YOU'RE MONEY!!!!!!!"
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