Kornacki just discussed some scary polling on Morning Joe

Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:09 AM

samnsara (16,898 posts)

1. yeah that part about going back to vote for trump after voting in the blue wave...???

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:13 AM

bearsfootball516 (6,345 posts)

2. Hence why having Biden as the nominee is so important.

Independents love him, and he's the only candidate that destroys Trump in swing states. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to bearsfootball516 (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 09:25 AM

Butterflylady (2,957 posts)

48. That's the more important fact.

The swing states. Biden can easily win them. The others, not so much. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Butterflylady (Reply #48)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 05:17 PM

LakeArenal (25,838 posts)

153. I'm not sure how easy.

But Joe is liked way more than a woman candidate will be. Sanders is more of a threat to Joe I believe. WI was strong for Bernie. The hate for Hillary is alive and any woman has that shadow. But I know Joe is popular in WI. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:14 AM

RandiFan1290 (6,150 posts)

3. All of those precious 'centrists' from 2018 are going to vote for trump again?

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:39 AM

Cha (283,922 posts)

24. hose moderates in red districts are why we

have a Democratic House now. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 09:30 AM

zaj (3,433 posts)

49. This country is governed by coalition builders

Not ideological purists. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to zaj (Reply #49)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 03:54 PM

SterlingPound (428 posts)

134. What a truckload of crap

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to SterlingPound (Reply #134)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 04:30 PM

zaj (3,433 posts)

142. Hardly...

The right gets is power from a confederation of in-group special interest communities: - Selfish global billionaires - free market libertarian ideological purists - authoritarian Christians value voters - basket of deplorable Alt-Righters - American emerialist neo-cons - Western/Rural isolationist - suburban wealthy, in-group wannabes The left gets it's power from a confederation of out-group special interest communities: - under-represented minorities of all kinds including black, women, LGBTQ, native American - selfless global billionaires - urban community dwellers - Innovation and education value voters - environmental champions - next generation / youth They both fight over the non-commited swing voters. The winner has the strongest coalition of partners. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to zaj (Reply #142)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 04:35 PM

SterlingPound (428 posts)

145. how laws get passed has nothing to do with how people get in office

lately the winner is who ever shouts the loudest the longest getting M4A passed with have very little to do with those coalitions If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to SterlingPound (Reply #145)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 04:53 PM

zaj (3,433 posts)

149. Who's going to bring the shouters out?

If you can't afford to buy the media, the house and Senate votes? If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to zaj (Reply #149)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 05:12 PM

SterlingPound (428 posts)

152. big businesses will always have a voice in the room

and their money on the streets and we wont no matter when it eventually gets introduced as a bill but it will and some time eventually it will get passed i think we both know this so lets not play chase the dog today If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to SterlingPound (Reply #152)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 05:37 PM

zaj (3,433 posts)

154. I'm asking you...

... how you think anyone in politics, particularly anyone on the left succeeds without building coalitions. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to SterlingPound (Reply #134)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 07:03 PM

MarcA (2,145 posts)

166. Now if the ideologically pure centrists would just believe that. n/t

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:34 AM

Demsrule86 (65,536 posts)

65. The sure could. After a left left candidate is demonized as socialist... and they look at trillions

of dollars in new spending for programs they don't want like MFA (they prefer the ACA), Student debt forgiveness,free college etc. We won the midterms with the ACA...and by running candidates that fit their district or state. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #65)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 04:13 PM

TheRealNorth (8,108 posts)

140. Biden will be labeled a Trotskyist

After the Right is done with him. We should stop lending credence to the Right's red-baiting. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to TheRealNorth (Reply #140)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 04:31 PM

Demsrule86 (65,536 posts)

143. Nonsense, Biden can withstand any such criticism...as he has already done.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #65)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 04:32 PM

SterlingPound (428 posts)

144. "They" didn't and don't know what the ACA is or was

and very little has changed imo https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/06/22/history-lesson-how-the-democrats-pushed-obamacare-through-the-senate/ If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to SterlingPound (Reply #144)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 04:39 PM

Demsrule86 (65,536 posts)

147. Of course they know what the ACA is...we won moderates in 18 on the ACA and took back the house.

And if we are not careful who we nominate we could lose the house. Health Care was the number one issue during the primary. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #147)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 04:40 PM

SterlingPound (428 posts)

148. "they" as in the American Populace while it was being passed

and clearly long after it was passed the Much Maligned and very etherical "ObamaCare" is what was on trial for the election not the "ACA" If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to SterlingPound (Reply #148)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 05:52 PM

Demsrule86 (65,536 posts)

156. What election do you refer to...2010 was a disaster...2018 was a big success...

No matter how you slice it the ACA or Obamacare can help us win M4A won't...it wil have the opposite effect...help us lose to Trump and God fobid the house. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:17 AM

still_one (87,290 posts)

4. It is actually worse than that among likely voters in those battle ground states. Only Biden is

leading Trump in those battleground states One Year From Election, Trump Trails Biden but Leads Warren in Battlegrounds Signs that the president’s advantage in the Electoral College has persisted or even increased since 2016. Despite low national approval ratings and the specter of impeachment, President Trump remains highly competitive in the battleground states likeliest to decide his re-election, according to a set of new surveys from The New York Times Upshot and Siena College. Across the six closest states that went Republican in 2016, he trails Joe Biden by an average of two points among registered voters but stays within the margin of error. Mr. Trump leads Elizabeth Warren by two points among registered voters, the same margin as his win over Hillary Clinton in these states three years ago. The poll showed Bernie Sanders deadlocked with the president among registered voters, but trailing among likely voters. The results suggest that Ms. Warren, who has emerged as a front-runner for the Democratic nomination, might face a number of obstacles in her pursuit of the presidency. The poll supports concerns among some Democrats that her ideology and gender — including the fraught question of “likability” — could hobble her candidacy among a crucial sliver of the electorate. And not only does she underperform her rivals, but the poll also suggests that the race could be close enough for the difference to be decisive. In national polls, Mr. Trump’s political standing has appeared to be in grave jeopardy. His approval ratings have long been in the low 40s, and he trails Mr. Biden by almost nine points in a national polling average. But as the 2016 race showed, the story in the battleground states can be quite different. Mr. Trump won the election by sweeping Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Florida, Arizona and North Carolina — even while losing the national vote by two points. Democrats would probably need to win three of the six states to win the White House, assuming other states voted as they did in 2016 — an outcome that is not at all assured. ………. The Times/Siena poll of 3,766 registered voters was conducted from Oct. 13 to Oct. 26. The margin of sampling error for an individual state poll is plus or minus 4.4, except for Michigan at plus or minus 5.1 points. Together, the battleground sample has a margin of error of plus or minus 1.8 percentage points. The Times/Siena poll of 1,435 registered voters in Iowa was conducted from Oct. 25 to Oct. 30 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points. Full cross-tabs and methodology are available here. In 2018, the Times/Siena polls had an average error of 2.5 points in 10 polls in these states over the final three weeks of the campaign. If they had been joined together as one large poll, as is the case here, the final result would have been within 1 point. …… https://github.com/ndcohn/battleground-poll-2019/blob/master/AZ110419%20Crosstabs.pdf https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/04/upshot/one-year-from-election-trump-trails-biden-but-leads-warren-in-battlegrounds.html If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to still_one (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:22 AM

Tarheel_Dem (31,129 posts)

7. The article says we need to win at least 3 of these.

"Mr. Trump won the election by sweeping Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Florida, Arizona and North Carolina" I think Biden takes Pennsylvania & Wisconsin. Not at all sure about the others. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:42 AM

Cha (283,922 posts)

25. And, Michigan! Gov Whitmer!

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Cha (Reply #25)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:53 AM

Tarheel_Dem (31,129 posts)

35. Fingers crossed Cha. Any idea what Gov. Whitmer's approval is in MI?

I could probably google it. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #35)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 09:11 AM

Cha (283,922 posts)

42. This is the latest I could find..

Whitmer's approval rating climbs after no-fault reforms https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2019/06/06/whitmers-approval-rating-climbs-no-fault-reforms/1331332001/ If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Cha (Reply #42)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 09:16 AM

Tarheel_Dem (31,129 posts)

45. She's running about a 30% net positive. That's wonderful. Thanks for that.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:43 AM

still_one (87,290 posts)

26. The poll indicates an difference between registered and likely voters. I think Pa is most likely

ours, and WI and MI it is probable, and even though that makes "3", I believe this will come down to Florida or Ohio, and one of those is a must win. I would also agree that most of this is a manifestation of the electoral college, but that isn't going to change, at least now for the 2020 election, and if we have 47% that again decide not to vote, it won't cut it If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to still_one (Reply #26)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 11:07 AM

honest.abe (7,191 posts)

90. Dont need FL or OH if we win back PA, MI, WI.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:37 AM

Demsrule86 (65,536 posts)

68. Biden will win Michigan and they don't mention it but Biden is up in Ohio against Trump as well.

I think he can take Arizona and possibly Florida. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #68)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:45 AM

Tarheel_Dem (31,129 posts)

74. I've never been sure about AZ. Much like TX, they keep telling us we're so close, but it...

never pans out. I'm elated to hear about MI & OH. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #74)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 11:15 AM

Demsrule86 (65,536 posts)

94. Michigan is close...it will be a battle. Honestly, Ohio looks better right now on the ground...no

real polling. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:57 AM

Celerity (35,569 posts)

83. I would flip those. MI should be a lock, PA and WI more problematic.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Celerity (Reply #83)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 11:06 AM

Tarheel_Dem (31,129 posts)

89. I guess I was hoping for somewhat of a hometown advantage for Joe in PA. nt

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Response to still_one (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 05:52 PM

regnaD kciN (25,617 posts)

155. Not to add to the doom'n'gloom...

...but even Biden is only leading by an average of 2%. Going into the morning of Election Day 2016, Clinton had a larger average lead than that in those states…and we all know what happened. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to regnaD kciN (Reply #155)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 06:15 PM

Demsrule86 (65,536 posts)

160. True but Hillary was way less popular than Biden and there is no Stein effect this year...and we are

on to the Russians...also Trump is an incumbent...those are bad numbers for an incumbent. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:17 AM

Tarheel_Dem (31,129 posts)

5. Which probably means some of those who got swept up in the bluewave, will likely lose their...

seats. I'm thinking folks like Lucy McBath are likely one termers which will make our majority a bit slimmer. I don't care for Kornacki, and I hope like hell his analysis is wrong. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:23 AM

still_one (87,290 posts)

9. Kornacki is just regurgitating a NY Times Sienna College poll of battle ground states, and among the

top three candidates, with LIKELY voters, the poll indicates only Biden beating trump in the majority of those states. The main culprit is the electoral college, and while we can rightfully piss and moan all we want about the electoral college, it isn't going to change before the 2020 election, and we better make sure that interference or election tampering does not occur, because regardless, this is going to be close, and we need a massive get out the vote effort. 47% NOT voting won't cut it That is why I have been discounting National Polls. It is states that elect Presidents, not the popular vote. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to still_one (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:27 AM

Tarheel_Dem (31,129 posts)

14. The EC works to Republican's advantage. A national popular vote would exclude them from...

the WH for generations to come. As I said earlier, I'm almost certain Biden wins back PA & WI, but I'm hard pressed to come up with a 3rd. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #14)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:35 AM

Turin_C3PO (10,654 posts)

20. I think he'd for sure take Michigan also.

I’m an optimist though. I believe ultimately that he’ll win Arizona, Georgia, Florida, and North Carolina. But we must get out the vote. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #20)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:44 AM

still_one (87,290 posts)

27. yup. I think it will come down to either Ohio or Florida, assuming we get out the vote as you say

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to still_one (Reply #27)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 11:16 AM

Demsrule86 (65,536 posts)

96. I think we have a better chance in Ohio but we were close in Florida in 18. However, if we win

MI, PA and WI...we don't need any other state. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #96)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 11:18 AM

still_one (87,290 posts)

97. Absolutely!!!

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #20)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:50 AM

Tarheel_Dem (31,129 posts)

32. I'm afraid I've lost some of the optimism I gained in '08. NC went blue in '08 & switched back....

in '12. I think we can, legitimately, be called a purple state because we keep it really close. But close isn't good enough. As you say, "we must get out the vote". If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #32)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:02 AM

BannonsLiver (14,899 posts)

53. It's a solid red state and will be one for years to come

Fools gold. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #53)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:30 AM

dsc (51,669 posts)

63. No it isn't

Dems got a majority of the two party Congressional vote in 2018 and in 2012. In 2018 one GOPer ran unopposed so the totals are in GOP favor but we did win in the other 12 and would have won overall with even a 2 to 1 loss in that district. We won the governor's race, the AG race, and every single judicial race in 2016 and 2018. We got a majority of the two party vote for the legislature. That said, NC isn't a slam dunk by any means. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to dsc (Reply #63)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:46 AM

BannonsLiver (14,899 posts)

75. It'll be red in 2020

It’s not only not a slam dunk, it’s a Hail Mary. Fools gold. A waste of precious resources to spend a nickel chasing our tails there. And btw, god bless their governor but he’s been all but neutered by their legislature that is chock full of RWNJs. My point stands. It’s a reliably red state in presidential elections and will be again. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #75)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:46 PM

rockfordfile (8,584 posts)

181. No it won't North Carolinians are tired of the Republican bs.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to rockfordfile (Reply #181)

Tue Nov 5, 2019, 02:10 PM

BannonsLiver (14,899 posts)

187. LOL

Okay. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #14)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:37 AM

OliverQ (3,363 posts)

21. Michigan.

Michigan has lower approval for Trump than Wisconsin and PA. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to OliverQ (Reply #21)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:47 AM

Tarheel_Dem (31,129 posts)

31. Fingers crossed. My hope is that Biden wins them all, but as we only need 3, it's good to hear...

that MI is a good possible. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #14)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:38 AM

Demsrule86 (65,536 posts)

70. Michigan is the third.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:19 AM

femmedem (7,836 posts)

6. Yes, it's a NYT Upshot and Siena College poll. NYT has a full story.

"...Across the six closest states that went Republican in 2016, he trails Joe Biden by an average of two points among registered voters but stays within the margin of error. Mr. Trump leads Elizabeth Warren by two points among registered voters, the same margin as his win over Hillary Clinton in these states three years ago." Also: "In national polls, Mr. Trump’s political standing has appeared to be in grave jeopardy. His approval ratings have long been in the low 40s, and he trails Mr. Biden by almost nine points in a national polling average. But as the 2016 race showed, the story in the battleground states can be quite different. Mr. Trump won the election by sweeping Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Florida, Arizona and North Carolina — even while losing the national vote by two points. Democrats would probably need to win three of the six states to win the White House, assuming other states voted as they did in 2016 — an outcome that is not at all assured..." More: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/04/upshot/one-year-from-election-trump-trails-biden-but-leads-warren-in-battlegrounds.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage The poll was conducted October 13-26. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to femmedem (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:46 AM

still_one (87,290 posts)

29. and in this poll it favors Biden even more among likely voters

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:22 AM

dem4decades (10,376 posts)

8. There's reason Trump wanted dirt on Biden. He's the one he fears

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:23 AM

OliverQ (3,363 posts)

10. He wanted dirt on Warren too. He asked China to investigate her.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to OliverQ (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:25 AM

dem4decades (10,376 posts)

12. To the extent he sought dirt on Biden? Where's the investigation?

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to OliverQ (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:40 AM

Demsrule86 (65,536 posts)

71. As this poll and there are others clearly show, Warren will not win the midwest. She will lose in

the EC and win the popular vote like Hillary. And we could lose the House as well with her at the top of the ticket. 40 moderates gave us the House. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #71)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:48 AM

OliverQ (3,363 posts)

76. You don't know that. Half the country didn't vote.

More people support a more left-wing candidate than support a moderate. Warren and Sanders supporters outnumber Biden's. Biden is more likely to be like Clinton than Warren or Sanders. If Biden is the nominee, lots of Dems won't bother voting again, since they don't want another status quo centrist. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to OliverQ (Reply #76)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 11:03 AM

Demsrule86 (65,536 posts)

86. There is not doubt that there is support for left-wing candidates in New York and California but not

in the mid west. If we have a more fair direct votiing system, Warren or any of our fine candidates would win hands down. But we don't. And Warren (others too) will lose the EC and win the popular votes which is meaningless. Biden has a chance to destroy Trump. He is the most electable Democrat. And in order to get anything we must win in 2020. Also he has coattails for the Senate...Arizona is more likely to vote for a Democrat with Biden at the top of the ticket...Colorado too. And if he chooses Abrams as his VP, we have a shot at Georgia and North Carolina...possibly South Carolina and Texas as well. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Mon Nov 4, 2019, 03:25 PM

InAbLuEsTaTe (23,846 posts)

128. Yes, Elizabeth is a much bigger threat to tRumpty Dumbty.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!! Either way, they're stronger together!! Welcome to the revolution!!! If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:52 AM

jcgoldie (10,321 posts)

34. Why does that matter?

Trump's a fucking fool its beyond irrelevant who he fears. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #34)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 09:15 AM

dem4decades (10,376 posts)

44. Really? You do realize that "fucking tool" figured out how to be elected President?

He's trying to do it again. He feared Hillary and he, and his conspirators, made it matter. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #34)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 09:37 AM

zaj (3,433 posts)

51. Wow, that's a seemingly foolish statement

It's a window into a what abwhole lot of talented professionals trying to get him elected have learned. I'm waiting between Biden and Warren, but this is all that matters. Not who can win, not who has the best ideas. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to zaj (Reply #51)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:10 AM

jcgoldie (10,321 posts)

59. Since when does Trump listen to talented professionals or behave in a rational manner?

Placing weight on his perpetually irrational and emotional kneejerk statements and letting them influence your choices is what is foolish. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:23 AM

redqueen (112,669 posts)

11. "Democrats are stuck in a doom loop of premature polling"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287326086 If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to redqueen (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:31 AM

BeyondGeography (38,561 posts)

15. Kornacki and his owners loves them some scary polling

So yummy. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #15)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:33 AM

redqueen (112,669 posts)

18. I really hope people stop clicking and sharing garbage like this

It's only rewarding and encouraging the carnival barkers. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to redqueen (Reply #18)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:05 AM

BannonsLiver (14,899 posts)

54. Yes

We should all bury our heads in the sand and pretend it’ll be a cakewalk. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #54)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 03:16 PM

redqueen (112,669 posts)

124. See the way you said something I didn't say?

That's not honest discussion. If you're interested in actual honest discussion, try it. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to redqueen (Reply #18)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:48 AM

Hortensis (55,719 posts)

77. Poor OliverQ didn't click, just watched a conservative show

where the overall theme for Democrats 2020 is always "scary." If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Mon Nov 4, 2019, 03:45 PM

Demsrule86 (65,536 posts)

131. I would not call MJ a conservative show these days...and it is based on a poll...good poll. We

underestimate Trump at our peril. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #131)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 04:00 PM

Hortensis (55,719 posts)

137. Joe's a lifelong moderate conservative who's committed

to restoring and keeping in power the conservative ideology that took over this nation after the 1970s. He's horrified at what's happening on the right and presumably his big part in it, but his current correction, welcome as it is, is not permanent by any means. He's steering into a skid, not turning left. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #137)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 04:29 PM

Demsrule86 (65,536 posts)

141. That is not true. Biden is not conservative...he is progressive. He put climate change and the

envrironment on the floor before anyone else and it became law signed by Reagan, he pushed the violence against women act through, he has fought for civil rights his entire life. He changed Obama's stance on Gay marrage in fact. He has fought for education as well and does not favor vouchers...he wants to increase taxes on the rich and cut defense...in short Biden is a progressive. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #141)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 06:45 PM

Hortensis (55,719 posts)

163. You're misunderstanding what conservative and progressive are.

President Eisenhower was a proud progressive conservative who said so. It's not so respectable among today's crazy right. But all those trumpsters who wanted Trump to put his name on (a new better and cheaper) Obamacare are progressive regarding that, as are all Sanders' left-wingers who wanted Sanders to create a new (better and cheaper) Obamacare without his name, as are all the Democrats who support Obamacare but of course want it eventually better and cheaper. ALL believers in progressive policy, but different focuses on issues and to different degrees. Progressivism is the belief that larger groups should act to create advances that small groups and individuals cannot or will not. Including government. Sensible conservatives of course believe government should be progressive to some degree. Maybe especially read about conservative and liberal personality, though, as it's fascinating, and you'll learn a lot about yourself as well, not just others. Joe would have to have a brain transplant to no longer be conservative. However, his political positions can change with circumstances, whether generationally, with new administrations, or even day to day. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #163)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:12 PM

Demsrule86 (65,536 posts)

177. I see interesting point of view...I will read up on it. Thanks.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #15)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 07:10 PM

MarcA (2,145 posts)

167. Infotainment. First order of business is ratings. Ratings mean $$$. n/t

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to redqueen (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 03:56 PM

Drunken Irishman (34,857 posts)

136. It's premature polling until it's not...

And then it might be too late to do anything about it. Around this time in 2015, Hillary's numbers vs Trump tanked. She and Trump found themselves in essentially in a statistical tie nationally. We ignored those polls, as we convinced ourselves that A) Trump would not be the nominee and B) Even if he was, his campaign would implode. The problem is that the polls a year out proved pretty telling and the race was a dogfight the rest of the way. It's fine to suggest polling at this point is premature but eventually, it won't be. Eventually, we'll have a nominee. If these numbers continue to drag, at what point do we start worrying? When it's too late and we have our nominee? If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #136)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 04:56 PM

redqueen (112,669 posts)

150. If you read the article you'll see when it's mathematically logical

to start paying attention to head to head polls. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to redqueen (Reply #150)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 07:53 PM

Drunken Irishman (34,857 posts)

172. I did. Still didn't refute my point.

I've been hearing since April head-to-head polls don't matter. We're now at the end of 2019. In a gap smaller than the time that has elapsed, we'll likely have our nominee. It's likely in four months, we'll be beyond the point of no return with our nominee. I think this is exactly the right time to start considering head-to-head polls because, if in April, the front-runner is still losing, well we better hope to god the polls are off or will correct. Also that article is from September. It's now almost two months outdated. Despite over a month of new data and everything, the polls still haven't budged much head-to-head. And again, I point to 2015. At this point in 2015, Hillary had an average lead of 3 points head-to-head vs Trump. What was her margin nationally a year later? Hm... If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #172)

Tue Nov 5, 2019, 04:20 AM

redqueen (112,669 posts)

185. This part.

Early general election polls are not informative There are lots of people who run around telling people to “ignore the polls,” which is often bad advice in politics. Polls are extremely valuable tools that can tell us a lot about what’s going on and can often be very informative about the potential course of future events. But this particular exercise of polling hypothetical election matchups long in advance of the election is not informative. In their book The Timeline of Presidential Elections, Christopher Wlezien and Robert Erikson find that polling a year in advance of the election has essentially no correlation with the outcome. Polling right before the election, by contrast, has a lot of correlation with the final outcome. And there’s a healthy middle ground 100-200 days out when the correlation isn’t particularly strong, but it’s not nothing either. (Image link doesn't work see chart at link - it clearly shows when this kind of polling is actually meaningful) A chart showing increasing levels of correlation between polls and results from 300 days out to right before an election. Christopher Wlezien and Robert Erikson If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to redqueen (Reply #185)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 12:58 AM

Drunken Irishman (34,857 posts)

188. Yup. Still not refuting my point.

In fact, the article is pretty incorrect - at least recently. In the last two presidential elections, polls a year out almost certainly accurately measured the mood of the country and the race. In an average of polls from Nov. 5th, 2015, Hillary led Trump 46% to 43%. A year later, she won the presidency with 48% of the vote to Trump's 46%. Hillary saw an increase of +2 and Trump an increase of +3 but the margin +3 for Hillary in 2015 only slightly changed. On Nov. 5th, 2011, Obama led Romney in an average of polls 46% to 44%. A year later, Obama won the presidency with 51% of the vote to Romney's 47%. That was a +5 for Obama and +3 for Romney. However, like the margins with Trump and Hillary, they weren't dramatically off. Obama's margin over Romney a year out was +2 and he won the popular vote by +4 - a change of just two-points. Pretty stark evidence that the nature of the race was pretty clear a year out from the election. It's a little more muddled in 2008 but here's a list of polls I found from November, 2007: Gallup: Obama 47, McCain 44 (+3) Rasmussen: Obama 46, McCain 43 (+3) CNN: Obama 48, McCain 48 (--) Zogby: Obama 47, McCain 43 So, averaging those polls out and Obama led McCain 47-45. Obama won by a much larger margin, but, for most 2008, up until the economy cratered, the election was tracking for that type of margin. So, there's ample evidence suggesting polls are a pretty good indicator of the nature of the race this far out - at least in the last three elections and if you go back to 2004, you also see Bush winning near-universally head-to-head, so, actually the last four presidential elections. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #188)

Wed Nov 6, 2019, 01:06 AM

redqueen (112,669 posts)

189. Hmm.

I didn't check their math, and I haven't checked the polls you mentioned, but I see what you're getting at. I'm still not basing my primary vote based on what these matchups are saying this far out. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:26 AM

snowybirdie (4,500 posts)

13. Looks like Morning Joe

is pushing the theme today that Trump will win because he's better at marketing. Are Americans really that shallow? Certainly hope were better than that. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to snowybirdie (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:31 AM

Raven123 (3,942 posts)

16. Yes. Americans are that shallow. Sadly.

However, the media has to wring their hands about something every day. No newsworthy events yet as far as they are concerned. Polling data is low hanging fruit for them to banter about. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Raven123 (Reply #16)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 11:45 AM

INdemo (6,983 posts)

106. And remember somewhere in the shadows

Tom Perez and the DNC are pushing for Biden because it’s “his turn”and like so many times before they push for the safe choice like Mondale in 1984 and we lost by a landslide. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to INdemo (Reply #106)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 12:30 PM

emmaverybo (8,143 posts)

115. Why should we bet on a risky choice this election? What is wrong with safe? Warren sure stayed

safe when she didn’t come out and denounce Trump for trying to get Ukraine to manufacture dirt on Biden. Why should we risk losing gains made in the midterm for one particular healthcare plan that may or may not see the light of day? If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to emmaverybo (Reply #115)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 03:04 PM

INdemo (6,983 posts)

123. Elizabeth Warren was the First to call for Trumps Impeachment and

In April, Elizabeth Warren became the first of the Democratic front-runners to call for Donald Trump’s impeachment (this is in the above link) Obviously you weren't around yet in 1984...Just so you know She was also one of the first to comment on Ukraine. Of course you wont read the following because you just like to trash the other candidates without checking the facts but here check this out before you put me on ingnore> https://twitter.com/i/moments/1177753442221199360 Biden was the last candidate to comment on Impeachment and then he didn't come right out and say Trump should be impeached If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to INdemo (Reply #123)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 03:54 PM

emmaverybo (8,143 posts)

135. Right. So she was. Does not negate what I said. Not putting you on ignore. I made two

points—one that there is every reason to like “safe,” and two, that Warren (and Sanders) were the only rival candidates not to defend Biden BY NAME, to call out Trump specifically for his attack on their fellow. I think they stayed “safe” politically in that choice, whether out of some fear Biden would be found tainted or that they would be drawing attention and sympathy to him. I think whatever the case, the decision was calculated. Gutsy was Harris jumping right in to defend Biden BY NAME. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to emmaverybo (Reply #115)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 03:25 PM

INdemo (6,983 posts)

127. You didn't read my entire post

about the DNC pushing for the "safe Choice" in 1984 and losing to Reagan by a landside..Its all there Without the Millennial vote Biden will not win the nomination. Biden had what 4 chances to become the nominee and voters rejected him each time. As long as the Corporate Mafia Media pushes ""Biden is the safe choice" which doesn't reflect the whole picture this is what many will believe but its not necessarily true. Watching Presidential politics since 1960 and I don't believe Biden will win the Iowa Caucus or NH but if he does and pulls away from the pack I will support Biden 150% If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to INdemo (Reply #127)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 04:03 PM

emmaverybo (8,143 posts)

138. Thought it was three with one of those times being his quitting the race, not rejection.

I don’t think we all support Biden because he’s safe. He is the most job-specific qualified, experienced, and knowledgeable candidate, his resume unmatched by any in the field, and greatly enhanced for his foreign policy expertise and stature on the world stage. He remains one of the most respected and liked politicians in our party. Your political analysis may be spot on. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to snowybirdie (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:34 AM

Tarheel_Dem (31,129 posts)

19. If MJ were honest, they'd admit that they've given Trump much more free airtime than any other....

candidate. I can't remember a time when "rallies" were covered as a national news event. I think the media love$ Trump. How many other administrations have hourly Breaking News events? Media personalities have written countless articles, and gotten lucrative book deals just on tRump & Co. I think any one of our candidates would be considered "boring" compared to tRump. You have to admit he's a headline generator, and he sells newspapers. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to snowybirdie (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:39 AM

OliverQ (3,363 posts)

23. I mean, yes Americans are that shallow.

But I hope enough of them change. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to snowybirdie (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:07 AM

BannonsLiver (14,899 posts)

55. "Are Americans really that shallow?"

Yes. And shallow is probably one of our better qualities as a people. Violent, fear addicted and proudly ignorant are a couple others. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to snowybirdie (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:08 AM

brooklynite (85,596 posts)

56. Discussing polling comparisons is equal to saying Trump will win?

They discussed how the three leading candidates did in the battleground States Democrats need to win back. They never talked about how likely a Trump win was. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:32 AM

ritapria (1,812 posts)

17. Siena/NYT are putting out pro-Trump outliers

They also reported that only 44% of voters supported Trump's impeachment and removal …… WaPo/ABC has that number at 49% …...Fox News 49% ….NBC/WSJ 49% …...Siena/NYT are full of Spit If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:38 AM

Cha (283,922 posts)

22. Is Kornacki ever full of shite?

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Cha (Reply #22)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:46 AM

ritapria (1,812 posts)

28. Kornacki : He of the Big Mouth - and the Small Brain

The New York Times put out the poll ...It must be The Holy Scripture of Polling ….Kornacki is jumping up and down - about to lose his mind , I imagine …..That's his usual act ….Nate Cohn of the NYT , the guy who produced this bilge, is writing on his twitter feed that voters find Elizabeth Warren "unlikeable" ….MYSOGYNY in the Battleground states - just like we saw in 2016 ? This poll is a Pro Tump outlier …...People hate Trump's gates in the Rust Belt ...He promised much - and delivered nothing If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:54 AM

still_one (87,290 posts)

36. It is from the NY Times Cha based on the Sienna College, an A rated poll. It says that Biden is

leading Trump in more of those battleground states than the other Democratic nominee among registered voters, and even more among likely voters. There is a potential for some to be lulled into complacency by National Polls, when it is states that determine the President. This is also a direct result of the electoral college. I believe this will come down to either Florida or Ohio, and that presumes that we get out the vote If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:47 AM

evertonfc (1,713 posts)

30. Biden

is the only candidate that WILL beat Trump. The others MIGHT and Warren unlikely too. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:52 AM

tikka (720 posts)

33. People voted against Traitor45 and Republican policies hoping to improve their lives.

They haven't seen any change because Moscow Mitch has stymied the Democratic agenda. All people hear now is Traitor's lies, right wing controlled media, and impeachment. Shortsighted, yes. Ill informed, yes. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to tikka (Reply #33)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 09:00 AM

still_one (87,290 posts)

40. The problem is except in select areas, farming, auto industry, the economy "appears to be doing just

fine", and while there is a timebomb ticking with regard to the economy and the ballooning deficit, that has not hit home yet A lot of this right now is perception. I agree with you that the "media", especially the financial networks, are covering for trump If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to still_one (Reply #40)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 03:33 PM

INdemo (6,983 posts)

129. I would not include the farming community

Trumps rebate to Farmers is a joke unless they farm thousands of acres or have a couple thousand head of livestock. If there is Cheap Corn and Farmers grind that corn for feed and then get top price for their livestock and then get a rebate for their grain crop then they are living in high heaven. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Mon Nov 4, 2019, 04:09 PM

still_one (87,290 posts)

139. I meant the farming and auto industry have been hurt the worst by his policies, and even with this

supposedly half assed phase I trade agreement where no details are given, yet alone even happen, it will take a good long time for them to recover from this boondoggle If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to still_one (Reply #139)

Tue Nov 5, 2019, 12:16 AM

INdemo (6,983 posts)

183. Sorry I just mis-read your post

I work part time in Industrial Maintenance work and I remember a couple gigs a GM and I will tell you this, that they (GM Workers) had no appreciation for Obama after he saved their jobs. Just like GM Execs are all for Trump after he eased the emission standards. Never mind the fact that Trumps cost them millions with the trade tariffs. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to INdemo (Reply #183)

Tue Nov 5, 2019, 01:58 AM

still_one (87,290 posts)

184. That's sad. I hope their eyes are open now

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:56 AM

beachbumbob (9,263 posts)

37. nonsense that people who voted democraticin 2018 will vote trump in 2020, I suspect

1 person may have said that and then Kornacki did the trump embellishment. The purpose of the US media is no different from a propaganda machine If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #37)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:41 AM

Demsrule86 (65,536 posts)

72. The polls say otherwise.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #72)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 11:00 AM

Celerity (35,569 posts)

85. +1

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:59 AM

brush (46,909 posts)

38. That's repug Kornacki's job to spew dangerous, skewed polls which favor trump.

Last edited Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:52 AM - Edit history (1) I don't believe all those people who voted against trump in 2018 are going back to trump in 2020, especially white women. Why would they? It's not like he reformed and somehow managed to erase his history of egregious misogyny from their minds. All he's done is extort the Ukrainians, desert the Kurds and get impeached. And all that's just lately. Fuck Kornacki. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to brush (Reply #38)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:43 AM

Demsrule86 (65,536 posts)

73. This is a good poll A+ and it is not the only one. Trump will beat all but Biden, I am convinced of

this. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #73)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:50 AM

brush (46,909 posts)

78. Thank you. I'm leaning Biden too. Polls continue to say he's the...

one who beats trump by the largest margin. And that's the top priority now—to beat trump to save the republic. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to brush (Reply #78)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:59 AM

Demsrule86 (65,536 posts)

84. I will vote for any Democrat, I just want Trump gone. I am hoping he has coattail for the Senate as

well, I can see how if he is the top of the ticket it benefits Colorado and Arizona...and if he chooses Abrams as VP maybe North Carolina and Georgia. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #84)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 11:05 AM

brush (46,909 posts)

88. Abrams as VP would be good. She's mesmerizing on the stump...

but would she accept it? I thought she said a while back she wasn't interested. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to brush (Reply #88)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 11:39 AM

Demsrule86 (65,536 posts)

101. Recently she has said she is open to being a VP ...she said it before when she was considering a run

for the presidency herself. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Mon Nov 4, 2019, 03:23 PM

OliverQ (3,363 posts)

126. Emerson polling yesterday of Michigan shows Sanders winning Michigan by more than Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to OliverQ (Reply #126)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 03:39 PM

brush (46,909 posts)

130. Well that's one for Sanders as opposed to many for Biden.

Kind of makes one wonder though who's going to actually go with a near-eighty-year-old who just had a heart attack? If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Mon Nov 4, 2019, 03:52 PM

brush (46,909 posts)

133. No heart attack thougn, is a Democrat and won't be painted as...

as a socialist by trump and the repugs. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:59 AM

Siwsan (24,316 posts)

39. I pay as much attention to Kornacki as I do to my cat when she says her food bowl is empty

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Siwsan (Reply #39)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 11:43 AM

LAS14 (13,073 posts)

104. So... that means you pay very close attention to Kornacki? Otherwise, poor cat! nt

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #104)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 01:17 PM

Siwsan (24,316 posts)

120. Sophie Stinky Toes is weird. If she sees anything but solid food, to her it's an empty bowl

My other cat, Boudicca, was the same way. Eat until she saw a TINY fragment of the bottom of the bowl - lots of food along the sides, and 'MEOWWWWW!!!!!!!" If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Siwsan (Reply #120)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 02:20 PM

LAS14 (13,073 posts)

122. :-)

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 09:06 AM

TexasTowelie (99,575 posts)

41. The quickest path to victory was to win the one state with 38 electoral votes

while also leaving other options on the table. So much for Plan A, hopefully Plans B, C, and D will still work. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to TexasTowelie (Reply #41)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 06:20 PM

Tipperary (6,930 posts)

161. No way were we going to win Texas.

If you are talking about O’Rourke, he was unable to win a statewide race against probably the most hated politician in years, so no way was he going to carry Texas, never mind all the other states. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #161)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 06:57 PM

TexasTowelie (99,575 posts)

165. Wrong answer.

While Ted Cruz is hated on a national basis, he does have his base of support in Texas. Trump does not enjoy nearly as much support in Texas and is thought of as a damn Yankee. I wish that people that know absolutely nothing about Texas would stop telling actual Texans what is going on in their own state. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to TexasTowelie (Reply #165)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 07:20 PM

Tipperary (6,930 posts)

168. So why did O'Rourke not win in his own state?

I have relatives in Texas, who tell me rump is pretty damn popular there. Somehow I thought he won Texas last go-round? If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #168)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:08 PM

TexasTowelie (99,575 posts)

174. As I said, Cruz is more popular in Texas than Trump.

The 2016 GOP primary results: Ted Cruz 1,241,118 43.76% Donald Trump 758,762 26.75% Nearly a 500K vote difference. Meanwhile, Cruz only won the Senate race in 2018 by 215K votes. Beto's success in the polls preceding the Senate election also spurred Cruz to go into overdrive to get his voters out. Trump doesn't have that type of organization in Texas. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to TexasTowelie (Reply #174)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:42 PM

Tipperary (6,930 posts)

175. I think rump is pretty likely to win Texas.

It is really not any kind of swing state. Damn, I miss Ann Richards. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #175)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:56 PM

TexasTowelie (99,575 posts)

176. He is now

that Democrats in Texas won't have a reason to turn out for a favorite son candidate. We had a fighting chance to get 38 electoral college votes that just went "poof." The worst part though is how it will effect down-ballot races. With the correct ticket the Democrats had the chance of taking back the Texas House, but now all that we can expect for the future is another decade of gerrymandering. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to TexasTowelie (Reply #41)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:29 PM

Demsrule86 (65,536 posts)

180. It has already begun in the house ...and one day Texas will again have a Democratic Senator

and governor...and just like Virginia when you least expect it...Texas will be blue...I know this in my heart...and the gerrymandering and voter suppression only work for a while and then one day soon...the state will be blue. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #180)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:59 PM

TexasTowelie (99,575 posts)

182. We did gain several House seats in the 2018 election.

Unfortunately, it is going to be a tough struggle for Democrats to gain control of the Texas House to prevent gerrymandering after the 2020 census. The demographics may change prior to the 2030 census, but a lot of damage can be done in the meantime. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 09:14 AM

33taw (2,328 posts)

43. Dems are stuck campaigning in Iowa.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 09:23 AM

JudyM (26,197 posts)

46. Hopefully it's greatly undercounting the youth vote.

Hopefully the under-30’s will come out in droves. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to JudyM (Reply #46)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 11:05 AM

comradebillyboy (9,739 posts)

87. I wouldn't hang my hat on the youth vote...

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #87)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 11:11 AM

JudyM (26,197 posts)

92. We can do a much better job of outreach to them, and they are more engaged than in the past.

Just my hope... If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to JudyM (Reply #92)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 11:40 AM

Demsrule86 (65,536 posts)

103. I hear this every year and ...it is always the same. They don't come out.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #103)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 12:38 PM

JudyM (26,197 posts)

116. Not true. There was a 79 percent increase in 18-29 turnout between 2014 and 2018.

Among 18- to 29-year-olds, voter turnout went from 20 percent in 2014 to 36 percent in 2018, the largest percentage point increase for any age group — a 79 percent jump. https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2019/04/behind-2018-united-states-midterm-election-turnout.html If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to JudyM (Reply #116)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 04:37 PM

Demsrule86 (65,536 posts)

146. 79% of a tiny amount...

Sanders would be president today had they turned out to vote... in 16. He had a great deal of support from them. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to JudyM (Reply #116)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 07:55 PM

TexasTowelie (99,575 posts)

173. Another example of how statistics can be manipulated to deliver a desired message.

It's the largest percentage point increase because the other groups already have a significantly higher turnout. It's similar comparing immature economies to mature economies--the immature companies can show larger percentage increases because nothing has been developed so even a modest change will be over-magnified. A mature economy may show a lower percentage increase because they are already near the top of the heap; however, the financial increase (in dollar or other currencies) may still be greater for the mature economy compared to the immature economy. Also comparing one data point (2014) to another data point (2018) is not indicative of any type of trend and any changes could easily be attributed to random occurrence rather than a long-term change in behavior among young voters. We'll need several more data points to be able to call it a trend instead of a blip. For those who have experience with numbers, it is as easy to slant statistics as it is too slant the tone of a research paper for a desired grade. I know because I've done both successfully since I was 18 years old because I knew the audiences I was addressing. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to TexasTowelie (Reply #173)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:23 PM

Demsrule86 (65,536 posts)

178. So true...my Dad had a book 'how to lie with statistics...he was a salesman and later and inventor.

I still have the book on my shelf and refer to it...fascinating...you know there are lies, damned lies and then statistics! If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 09:24 AM

MFM008 (19,698 posts)

47. B U L L S H *T

Polls now mean NOTHING. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to MFM008 (Reply #47)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:25 PM

Demsrule86 (65,536 posts)

179. I am sure the ones showing your candidate ahead are meangiful to you...I know the ones

favoring Biden are undoubtedly completely correct...hehe. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #179)

Tue Nov 5, 2019, 06:20 AM

MFM008 (19,698 posts)

186. no

My candidate is the one who is on the ballot against FLATUS. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 09:30 AM

usaf-vet (5,237 posts)

50. In my part of Wisconsin everyone has a cellphone. No land lines we move our number to a cellphone.

Everyone I know has some cellphone app that screens incoming calls to whitelist your contacts ONLY. Calls that are not recognized produce one short ring then it's gone. However, my app captures the number and puts the unanswered ones on the blacklist. We have three cellphones get lots of calls but NEVER have been polled because they can't get through. That has to be affecting the polling. Online internet polls I will answer IF it is from an obvious GOP site. In that case, I use a throw-away email address and always answer the polls as if I wore a MAGA hat to bed each night. So I wouldn't believe Wisconsin polls. I poll as it gets closer to the election by watching yard signs and bumper stickers. One final point our RW Rep. Sean Duffy (from a gerrymandered district) resigned from Congress to "spend more time with family" then went right to work for CNN. Maybe I'm deluding myself but I think the tide HAS changed in Wisconsin. IMO they wouldn't have won Wisconsin in 2016 without Russian interference. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to usaf-vet (Reply #50)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:09 AM

BannonsLiver (14,899 posts)

57. I think we're all deluding ourselves.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 09:54 AM

inwiththenew (915 posts)

52. Bottom line is that it is going to be a battle next year that will take all hands on deck

Anyone thinking that because of the victories last year and Trump's unpopularity that it will be an easy win is mistaken. The amount of fuckery that is going to go on next year is going to make 2016 look like a model election. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:09 AM

crazytown (7,277 posts)

58. Another 'Only Biden' post

ho-hum "the polls are what the polls are" If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:14 AM

Demsrule86 (65,536 posts)

60. Some of us were criticized and ridiculed when we said impeachment and/or moving too far left in our

Democratic nominee could cause a loss of the house as well as in the 2020 presidenetial general election. We hate Trump so there is a tendency to think everyone must, but it is not true and Republicans care about the courts and tend to fall in line. Consider the media has all but said Warren will be the nomimee...she is already being portrayed as very left by righties...Nancy Pelosi has sounded the alarm about some of the proposals. We need to remember this is at best a center left country and it is not anyone but Trump in many areas of the country including the mid west which we must win in order to stop Trump. And impeachment is aobut 50/50 an those who oppose it live in areas we need to win for the Senate and the presidential races...some of those states sent Democrats to the House in 2020. The house is at risk with impeachment.If we force moderate Democrats to vote for impeachment with no chance of conviction, we are making a mistake that could cost us the House. Don't get me wrong. Trump deserves to be impeached. And I want him gone...but I want to keep the House. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #60)

Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:36 AM