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Thu Oct 31, 2019, 01:05 PM

 

A Democratic president is going to need to bully other Democrats



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“Damn right they will. You know why? We’re going to go to West Virginia,” Sanders responded, specifically singling out Manchin, who has been far chummier with Trump than he ever was with Barack Obama. “Your average politician sits around and he or she thinks, ‘Let’s see. If I do this, I’m going to have the big money interests putting 30-second ads against me. So I’d better not do it.’ But now they’re going to have to think, ‘If I don’t support an agenda that works for working people, I’m going to have President Sanders coming to my state and rallying working-class people.’”

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Even as he’s been allowed to essentially do whatever the hell he wants for the past ten years, however, Manchin has repeatedly spit in the face of the people who’ve coddled him, including Sen. Chuck Schumer and Obama. No national Democrat has ever been able to wrangle Manchin into being a consistent vote for their agenda. No one’s ever really even tried; conventional wisdom in D.C. seems to hold that Manchin’s ideology or temperament is what’s keeping him in office, rather than the strength of his political machine, which helped elect billionaire coal boss Jim Justice as a Democratic governor the same year that the state went for Trump by 42 points. (Justice has since switched back to the GOP.)

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The Obama administration tried the nice way, even after Obama was given a broad mandate by voters in the 2008 election. The nice way spectacularly failed. The conservative wing of the Democratic Party killed some of Obama’s most ambitious plans on labor and the climate — Manchin infamously ran an ad in 2010 where he literally shot the cap and trade bill with a gun — and helped the GOP water down the things that actually passed, such as taking the public option out of Obamacare.

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But the biggest problems facing this country right now are not polarization, or incivility in Congress, or Democratic disunity. We have much bigger problems than that, such as that diabetics are dying from rationing insulin, that people are drowning in student debt, that the elimination of reproductive rights throughout the states continues to get worse, that California now appears to be perpetually both on fire and without electricity. And if the path to solving these many crises means ending the careers of some of the most craven people in Congress, then so be it.


https://theoutline.com/post/8170/bernie-sanders-joe-manchin-fall-in-line-fuckface?zd=1&zi=sa2m522o



That would be the "bully pulpit."
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Bernie Sanders

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Reply A Democratic president is going to need to bully other Democrats (Original post)
Uncle Joe Oct 31 OP
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beastie boy Oct 31 #3
Thekaspervote Oct 31 #4
Uncle Joe Oct 31 #5
beastie boy Oct 31 #6
Uncle Joe Oct 31 #7
beastie boy Oct 31 #9
Uncle Joe Oct 31 #10
beastie boy Oct 31 #13
HerbChestnut Oct 31 #8
Peacetrain Oct 31 #11
Amimnoch Oct 31 #12
Uncle Joe Oct 31 #14
Peacetrain Oct 31 #15
Uncle Joe Oct 31 #16
Peacetrain Oct 31 #17
Uncle Joe Oct 31 #18
Peacetrain Oct 31 #19
Uncle Joe Oct 31 #20
guillaumeb Oct 31 #21

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Response to Post removed (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 01:26 PM

2. A little history for the uniformed.

 



A bully pulpit is a conspicuous position that provides an opportunity to speak out and be listened to. This term was coined by United States President Theodore Roosevelt, who referred to his office as a "bully pulpit", by which he meant a terrific platform from which to advocate an agenda. Roosevelt used the word bully as an adjective meaning "superb" or "wonderful", a more common usage at that time.[1][2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bully_pulpit


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Response to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 01:49 PM

3. If Brnie, with 15-20% approval rating, already looks forard to bullying his party allies in Congress

 

...I doubt he will ever get a chance to use a bully pulpit.
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primary today, I would vote for:
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Response to beastie boy (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 01:52 PM

4. Indeed!!

 

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primary today, I would vote for:
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Response to beastie boy (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 01:55 PM

5. 15-20% approval rating?

 

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 02:07 PM

6. My bad. The RCP average rates him at 16.8% , his FiveThirtyEight average is 16.5%

 

I stand corrected. Make it 16-17%
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Response to beastie boy (Reply #6)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 02:21 PM

7. That's just current polls against 18, 19 or however many candidates

 

we have now.

There are Biden, Warren and other candidate supporters that have Bernie as their second or third choice.

Lower current poll numbers would apply to any Democratic Candidate running now, but the dynamics would be entirely different upon winning the Presidency for said candidate whoever it is or they wouldn't be President.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 02:25 PM

9. Bernie, even at this early stage, is assuming a confrontational stance against Democrats.

 

Every Democrat has his/her base of support. If Bernie keeps alienating all these voters, what are his chances of getting better ratings, let alone winning the Presidency?
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Response to beastie boy (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 02:42 PM

10. If Bernie doesn't win the Presidency, the point is moot but

 

it's impossible to change the establishment powers or status quo without some form of confrontation.

I believe if Bernie is successful, the Democratic Party will be exceptionally so, however the American People will be the ultimate winners and the Republican Party will head be on a downward spiral for generations.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #10)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 03:02 PM

13. Agreed.

 

Let's turn to something more compelling.
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Response to beastie boy (Reply #6)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 02:24 PM

8. That's not how approval ratings work...

 

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Response to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 02:59 PM

11. I had my fill of Bernie Bro bullying during our last caucus , and do not need to revisit that again

 

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Response to Peacetrain (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 03:01 PM

12. Really. Nope to BS 2020.

 

Had enough of bullying from the bully pulpit.

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Response to Peacetrain (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 03:03 PM

14. Then I suppose Manchin would be your cup of tea and from post# 1

 




A bully pulpit is a conspicuous position that provides an opportunity to speak out and be listened to. This term was coined by United States President Theodore Roosevelt, who referred to his office as a "bully pulpit", by which he meant a terrific platform from which to advocate an agenda. Roosevelt used the word bully as an adjective meaning "superb" or "wonderful", a more common usage at that time.[1][2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bully_pulpit



Not mention I pointed this out in the OP.
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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #14)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 03:09 PM

15. Let me tell you a little story Uncle Joe..

 

I was the precinct captain for Martin O'Malley at our caucus.. Caucus precinct captains were to give a 5 minute speech about why their candidate should get caucus votes... I was shouted down by the Bernie Bros.. they would not let me finish.. I had already counted heads and did not have the 15%.. but they made sure I could not connect with people who may have wanted to take a closer look at O'Malley.. I had my fill with those kind of tactics.
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Response to Peacetrain (Reply #15)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 03:16 PM

16. Which has absolutely nothing to do with the OP and the definition of Bully Pulpit. n/t

 

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #16)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 03:19 PM

17. I was not the one who picked the subject title..

 

"A Democratic President is going to need to bully Democrats.." That's on you..

I do not deal with bullies or people who try and shout me down.
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Response to Peacetrain (Reply #17)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 03:33 PM

18. That was the title of the article and from the first paragraph in the OP,

 

it's clearly spelled out what this is about.

It's not as if a President Bernie Sanders would go to West Virginia and take Manchin's lunch money.



“Damn right they will. You know why? We’re going to go to West Virginia,” Sanders responded, specifically singling out Manchin, who has been far chummier with Trump than he ever was with Barack Obama. “Your average politician sits around and he or she thinks, ‘Let’s see. If I do this, I’m going to have the big money interests putting 30-second ads against me. So I’d better not do it.’ But now they’re going to have to think, ‘If I don’t support an agenda that works for working people, I’m going to have President Sanders coming to my state and rallying working-class people.’”

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287329887



I even spelled out the meaning of this in the OP as "bully pulpit" and gave a historical definition on post#2 and directly to you just above from wikipedia and here again but you want to keep re-fighting 2016.



A bully pulpit is a conspicuous position that provides an opportunity to speak out and be listened to. This term was coined by United States President Theodore Roosevelt, who referred to his office as a "bully pulpit", by which he meant a terrific platform from which to advocate an agenda. Roosevelt used the word bully as an adjective meaning "superb" or "wonderful", a more common usage at that time.[1][2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bully_pulpit



P. S. Apparently the rest of the article didn't mean anything to you.
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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #18)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 03:40 PM

19. I do not know you, I am not clicking on the link of someone I

 

have had no interaction with''

You pasted up what I had to assume were the highlights of your article.

Again, I am not impressed with the bullying title, and if the author of the article thought that was a good choice of words, that is on him.. and you for choosing the title.

I do not need any more bullying of anyone.. I have had my fill. The current miserable resident of the white house is a world class bully..



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Response to Peacetrain (Reply #19)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 03:46 PM

20. That's true you don't know me and I've only been here since 2005.

 

You don't even have to click on the link to get the gist of the article, it's spelled out clearly in the OP but I imagine if I had added or altered anything in the insert from the actual article, no doubt other posters that clicked on the link would let everyone know.
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Response to Peacetrain (Reply #15)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 05:09 PM

21. Did this happen in 2016?

 

What is the relevance of this story to 2020?
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