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Elizabeth Warren20%
Joe Biden16%
Bernie Sanders10%
Pete Buttigieg5%

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 07:36 PM

 

Why is the squad jumping on a sinking ship?

Warren has co-opted Bernie’s ideological turf and is the only realistic candidate with a good shot at beating Joe. Is there a long game at play? It just seemed odd to endorse Bernie when it looks like he is being overtaken by Mayor Pete in some polls.
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Reply Why is the squad jumping on a sinking ship? (Original post)
redstateblues Oct 30 OP
zaj Oct 30 #1
Tiggeroshii Oct 30 #2
redstateblues Oct 30 #4
JonLP24 Oct 30 #8
Tiggeroshii Oct 30 #12
redstateblues Oct 30 #17
Tiggeroshii Oct 30 #18
MrsCoffee Oct 31 #26
Tiggeroshii Oct 31 #58
brooklynite Oct 31 #38
Tiggeroshii Oct 31 #56
blm Oct 30 #3
ritapria Oct 30 #5
redstateblues Oct 30 #7
Tiggeroshii Oct 30 #13
Tarheel_Dem Oct 31 #20
Kahuna7 Oct 30 #6
TidalWave46 Oct 30 #9
Thekaspervote Oct 30 #15
brush Oct 31 #36
vsrazdem Oct 30 #10
redstateblues Oct 30 #11
Thekaspervote Oct 30 #16
vsrazdem Oct 31 #39
BannonsLiver Oct 31 #37
totodeinhere Oct 31 #50
George II Oct 30 #14
redqueen Oct 30 #19
Lexblues Oct 31 #21
comradebillyboy Oct 31 #51
Scurrilous Nov 1 #63
betsuni Oct 31 #22
WobblyDem Oct 31 #23
betsuni Oct 31 #24
MrsCoffee Oct 31 #29
brush Oct 31 #34
vsrazdem Oct 31 #40
brush Oct 31 #41
vsrazdem Oct 31 #42
brush Oct 31 #44
vsrazdem Oct 31 #45
brush Oct 31 #48
vsrazdem Oct 31 #49
brush Oct 31 #54
vsrazdem Oct 31 #55
YOHABLO Oct 31 #52
Act_of_Reparation Oct 31 #25
betsuni Oct 31 #27
Act_of_Reparation Oct 31 #30
betsuni Nov 1 #59
Act_of_Reparation Nov 1 #60
Mike Nelson Oct 31 #28
MrsCoffee Oct 31 #31
Mike Nelson Oct 31 #33
redstateblues Nov 1 #62
aikoaiko Oct 31 #32
rzemanfl Oct 31 #35
cwydro Oct 31 #43
demmiblue Oct 31 #46
Bartollo Oct 31 #47
Joe941 Oct 31 #53
LanternWaste Oct 31 #57
Bettie Nov 1 #61

Response to redstateblues (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 07:40 PM

1. Didn't they come from the Bernie movement in 2016?

 

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Response to redstateblues (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 07:41 PM

2. In what way is Bernie's campaign a sinking ship?

 

Bernie is still polling very closely in Iowa and New Hampshire, is leading in individual donations among all candidates, and continues to draw record contributions and crowds. In all areas, he is doing better than the vast majority of anybody else running. I don't see that as a sinking ship at all!
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Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 07:47 PM

4. Whistling past the graveyard. He'll do ok in his New England home turf

 

But he is very weak with POC and in the Democratic primary that is not a recipe for success. Super Tuesday will be rough for Bernie
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Response to redstateblues (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 07:56 PM

8. We'll see

 

He does very well compared to most candidates when it comes to Hispanic voters and he is in 2nd place in Arizona tied with Warren behind Biden by 7% with a 5% margin of error.

No candidate besides Biden will win South Carolina but other states who knows. The candidate not doing well outside rich & white people is Pete Buttigieg.

To answer your question in the OP they could support him for ideological reasons. Muslims also strongly support him.

The surprise voting bloc Bernie is banking on to win the nomination


The Vermont senator is aggressively courting a constituency with huge potential to sway elections but that typically doesn’t turn out in big numbers.

DES MOINES, Iowa — Bernie Sanders has “barrio cred.”

That might sound like a crazy thing to say about the 78-year-old senator from one of the whitest states in the country. But Latino activists say they hear all the time from voters in their community who are high on Sanders, and that’s backed by polling showing him leading or tied among Latinos. Sanders won the highly coveted endorsement of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. His campaign co-chair is San Juan Mayor Carmen Yulín Cruz. Afro-Latina rapper Cardi B is a fan.

Sanders’ star support from prominent Latinas “gives him barrio cred, street cred for this old white Jewish dude who is running for president,” said Domingo Garcia, president of the League of United Latin American Citizens. Garcia backed the Vermont senator in 2016 but, as president of LULAC, has refrained from endorsing a candidate in the current primary.

Story Continued Below

The fact that Joe Biden is counting on strong support from African Americans to win the Democratic nomination is widely known. Less understood is the similar bet that Sanders is making on Latino voters: His campaign believes that by driving up turnout among Latinos, as well as young and working-class voters of all ethnicities, he can build out the electorate, bring new voters into the fold, and expand the 15 to 20 percent of Democratic voters who zealously support the democratic socialist.

There’s also the reality that Sanders probably can’t win the Democratic nomination without Latinos, since his campaign is relying on a strong finish in states such as Nevada and California.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/30/latinos-bernie-sanders-2020-strategy-060645
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Response to redstateblues (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 08:44 PM

12. That sounds like speculation based on rapidly changing polling.

 

The truth is, if he does very well in NH, IA, SC and NV, his chances of performing better than expected in super tuesday drastically improve. The fact is, polling suggests he will do well in the early states and with his track record of outperforming many polls, his prospects are far from "whislting past the graveyard," where other top candidates (ie Harris), are beginning to disengage their campaigns entirely.
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Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #12)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 09:33 PM

17. A lot of ifs

 

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #17)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 10:13 PM

18. Not really given his 23 primary wins in 2016.

 

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Meanwhile, Biden has yet to win 1 in his so far 3 attempts to be president (4th time's the charm?)
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Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 07:10 AM

26. In every way.

 

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #26)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 04:44 PM

58. Well let's see: contributions continue to come at record levels.

 

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Volunteers keep coming at record numbers, his polling has fluctuated but has stayed strong in the early states, and crowd sizes continue to grow. So far in no way can his campaign amount to a "sinking ship."
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Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 08:19 AM

38. We're not evaluating "the vast majority of anybody else running"...

 

As far as the top of the pile goes, Bernie has half the support he had last time, and a "Sqaud" endorsement won't bring in any votes he shouldn't already have.
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Response to brooklynite (Reply #38)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 01:33 PM

56. That is speculation.

 

Lets look at his fundraising totals in individual and total funds raised, along with polling in the early states. That does not add up to a "sinking ship."
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Response to redstateblues (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 07:43 PM

3. Endorsements really don't matter unless it also comes with a

 

well organized machine.

That said, I think those endorsements were expected, a natural fit.

And I think Pressley will likely stand with Warren.

It’s all good.
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Response to redstateblues (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 07:49 PM

5. A sinking ship ?

 

Bernie is leading in some NH Polls ...He is tied or ahead in NV …....Bernie's Iowa campaign claims he has more commitments now than he did in January of 2016 ……...Bernie is very competitive in Ca …..He raised the most money of any candidate in Q3 ...His campaign has a towering lead in volunteers and individual contributors …...His rally in Queens was the largest crowd of any Democratic candidate in this cycle ………
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Response to ritapria (Reply #5)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 07:53 PM

7. He's running third in most polls. 4th in some.Bernie had amazing crowds in 2016 and lost by millions

 

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #7)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 08:46 PM

13. Until people actually vote, no conclusions can really be made.

 

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Response to ritapria (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 02:29 AM

20. Money and the much ballyhooed crowds weren't enough in 2016, and I fear BS & Co. are in for the...

 

same rude awakening.
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Response to redstateblues (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 07:50 PM

6. Let 'em.

 

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Response to redstateblues (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 07:59 PM

9. For just the reason you said.

 

In a month or two those still thinking the ship isn’t sinking will realize it has actually sunk. Sanders has to get them out there as soon as possible after his heart attack. There is no way he wanted to do this until a month or so out from the first vote. This was his momentum builder and his hand was forced.

Now for the squad. It works for them as well. After the ship has sunk they get to maintain their political credibility. Their supporters like seeing this and there is no real downside for them.

It really looks like the move of a savvy career politician and some young guns who know what their supporters want to see.
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Response to TidalWave46 (Reply #9)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 09:28 PM

15. Oh...very good analysis... certainly the most plausible explanation

 

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Response to TidalWave46 (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 07:55 AM

36. I like. Makes a lot of sense.

 

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Response to redstateblues (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 08:18 PM

10. Being overtaken by Mayor Pete, really. They endorsed him because they believe in him.

 

Its just that simple. I have been hearing that Bernie should drop out ever since he announced. He is in it, and is staying, so people just need to get over it and move on.
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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #10)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 08:35 PM

11. Hopefully he will endorse the nominee once it is established unlike last time.

 

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #11)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 09:30 PM

16. Not sure he will. He has already stated publicly that he doesn't know if he will support EW

 

If she becomes the nominee

More 2016!
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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #16)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 10:32 AM

39. Do your have evidence to support this, I have never heard this.

 

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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #10)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 07:58 AM

37. Hopefully when he loses his supporters will take your last sentence to heart.

 

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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #10)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 12:01 PM

50. That's exactly why I am supporting Bernie.

 

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Response to redstateblues (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 08:47 PM

14. Well, not the entire "squad", just three quarters. I suspect Pressley will be endorsing Warren.

 

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Response to redstateblues (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2019, 11:01 PM

19. Not everyone just wants to be on the side that's winning.

 

Some will stick with their preferred candidate as long as they can.

That's kinda what primaries are for.
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Response to redstateblues (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 02:52 AM

21. They're wanting to take his place once he retires or passes

 

It's obvious they are after Bernie's supporters and money and they want the mantle to be the next socialist leader in the Democratic Party.
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Response to Lexblues (Reply #21)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 12:09 PM

51. There aren't any socialist leaders in the Democratic party. Bernie

 

is running for the Senate as an I. He's a Democrat only for the primaries.
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Response to Lexblues (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 07:03 PM

63. Yep.

 

They are positioning themselves for the inevitable passing of the torch.
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Response to redstateblues (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 04:40 AM

22. Ideology.

 

Believing things that are not true.
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Response to redstateblues (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 05:09 AM

23. Funny way to spell surging

 

Sinking? Bernie has:

The most individual donors
The most individual donations
The most cash on hand.

A 20% lead with young voters
An enormously diverse coalition
The most volunteers
The highest favorability of anyone running for pres (or in the senate)
Huge international support
The most momentum
The strongest polling against Trump

and a mandate.

So it would make sense that he now has:
Endorsements from the most popular people in congress

It helps that they are all WOC, the demographic he polls strongest with
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Response to WobblyDem (Reply #23)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 05:20 AM

24. "It helps that they are all WOC, the demographic he polls strongest with"

 

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Response to WobblyDem (Reply #23)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 07:18 AM

29. Oh ffs.

 

Maybe you are used to people just believing nonsense you pulled out of who knows where, but this place deals more in reality.

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Response to WobblyDem (Reply #23)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 07:51 AM

34. You forgot the elephants in the room. He just had 2 heart incidents and he's pushing 80.

 

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Response to brush (Reply #34)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 10:33 AM

40. No he had 2 heart stents, not incidents.

 

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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #40)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 10:47 AM

41. Please. The campaign finally admitted the second event was indeed a heart attack.

 

Why try denying it? And still, two heart events on someone nearing 80—voters are certainly going to consider that.
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Response to brush (Reply #41)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 10:49 AM

42. The campaign finally admitted the second event was indeed a heart attack. Link please?

 

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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #42)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 10:52 AM

44. Google it. It's no secret. It took 3 days but they admitted it. Where have you been?

 

And btw, the first event, him fainting in the shower and hitting his head when he fell(bandaged forehead while campaigning), was down-played but scary when you think about it. He fainted, fell and hit his head.

There's no guarantee that won't happen again.
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Response to brush (Reply #44)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 11:16 AM

45. Yes, they admitted he had a heart attack, no one ever said he had 2 incidents. You need to check

 

your facts. He had one incident and went to the hospital where he had 2 stents placed. There is no evidence anywhere that he had 2 "incidents."
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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #45)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 11:29 AM

48. Passing out in the shower and hitting his head? You actually think that wasn't a heart incident...

 

especially considering he had an admitted heart attack a few days later?

Let's be real and ask ourselves, is he at almost 80, healthy enough to last four years in the most stressful job in the world?
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Response to brush (Reply #48)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 11:57 AM

49. No, it was not a heart incident, and stop making accusations that you have no proof of. A few days

 

later, this was months ago when he hit his head, so yes Let's be real, and stick to the facts.
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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #49)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 12:53 PM

54. Do people just faint regularly? I speak from experience. My wife fainted at work and it was...

 

diagnosed as a heart incident. She later had a heart attack.
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Response to brush (Reply #54)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 01:06 PM

55. You keep saying he fainted. There is not one shred of evidence that he fainted. The statement was

 

that he cut his head on the shower door. Just stop with the conspiracy theories.
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Response to brush (Reply #34)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 12:11 PM

52. FDR was a very sick man. He got us thru the depression and WWII. 4 terms !

 

I would think that the amount of energy that Bernie puts in to his campaigning is probably the cause of his ailments.
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Response to redstateblues (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 06:35 AM

25. Because they're not cynics?

 

Just hazarding a guess.
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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #25)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 07:14 AM

27. No, they are cynics.

 

It's cynical to believe Democrats are corrupted by money and are just like Republicans.
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Response to betsuni (Reply #27)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 07:21 AM

30. Is that what they actually believe?

 

Or is that some hogwash you just made up? Because, being totally honest here, it sounds like you just made it up.
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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #30)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:45 AM

59. Personal insult.

 

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Response to betsuni (Reply #59)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 07:46 AM

60. Yes, imposing some standard of proof is typically insulting...

 

...to those unable to provide it.

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Response to redstateblues (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 07:17 AM

28. I think it helped...

 

... Bernie. He had been slipping, then the heart attack. He had to rebound. He took time off, had a good debate, and called some friends for support. I think it reassured his supporters. Now, I think there could be some benefit to Elizabeth, also... should she win the nomination, she would be perceived as more moderate than Bernie. The squad would support her, of course, but as a second choice.

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Response to Mike Nelson (Reply #28)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 07:23 AM

31. Lol.

 

In no universe did Bernie’s heart attack help him. This country will never elect an 80 year old who just had a heart attack.

The denial is super strong. Again.

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #31)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 07:48 AM

33. I don't think...

 

... the heart attack helped him... I do think the recovery helped... heart attacks during a campaign for President are never helpful!

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #31)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:38 PM

62. Thanks for your non rose colored glasses assessment

 

Sometimes the truth on this site gets lost in the spin
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Response to redstateblues (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 07:29 AM

32. Some people endorse people with positions they like.

 


And not other motives.
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Response to redstateblues (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 07:51 AM

35. Bookmarking. n/t

 

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Response to redstateblues (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 10:51 AM

43. Because he's their choice?

 

People are free to choose whom they want to support, last I checked.
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Response to redstateblues (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 11:19 AM

46. Because they want to.

 

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Response to redstateblues (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 11:22 AM

47. More Sanders is finished propaganda...

 

the wailing and gnashing of teeth - from Biden's reactionary 1% handlers and backers - when he crashes and burns again will be breathtaking. Soon they will be singing the blues.

My hope done left me
I do wish it wasn't so
My hope done left me
I do wish it wasn't so
But now I gotta face some reality
And learn to live with a lot less dough

Please don't tax me to pay for "free stuff for the losers" Bernie !!!


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Response to redstateblues (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 12:14 PM

53. Calling Bernie a sinking ship is laughable.

 

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Response to redstateblues (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 01:55 PM

57. My guess is it helps their branding.

 

No one beyond a relative handful expects a second-tier candidate to win, but in supporting BS they can better claim the progressive high-ground as theirs at the expense of first-tier candidates without any measurable negative consequences from their own constituents.

It's not a bad move on their part, as BS's primary loss (just a guess) won't drag them down while their own constituency numbers may actually tick up.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Fri Nov 1, 2019, 08:01 AM

61. Maybe because it is a primary

 

and everyone gets to choose who they ultimately prefer in a primary.

It really is that simple.

Each of us get to fall in love in primary season. Then, we need to fall in line in the general election.
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Elizabeth Warren

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