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The kiss of death for Tulsi's campaign... (Original Post) brooklynite Oct 2019 OP
Is this a coveted endorsement? emulatorloo Oct 2019 #1
I believe it is indeed Pachamama Oct 2019 #48
I disagree Yoopy Oct 2019 #2
"Hillary called Tulsi a Russian asset but that's crazy cuz she said the same thing about ME!" StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #3
Lol n/t emulatorloo Oct 2019 #6
He's so unbearably stupid Cha Oct 2019 #10
I hope that the voters in your area (her constituents) think about that one when they think of TG Pachamama Oct 2019 #49
Tulsi was always toast, but what this does is waters down the Trump / Russian collusion Quixote1818 Oct 2019 #13
Agreed. cwydro Oct 2019 #19
This is a pretty good article on this in the Atlantic Quixote1818 Oct 2019 #46
LOL MustLoveBeagles Oct 2019 #15
What is dead may never die IronLionZion Oct 2019 #4
Honestly I dont know why tulsi is getting to much press... Joe941 Oct 2019 #5
Media loves controversy IronLionZion Oct 2019 #7
Because Hillary Clinton opened her mouth... SMC22307 Oct 2019 #8
Bingo! nt Quixote1818 Oct 2019 #14
Think they're going to milk this all the way to November 2020? SMC22307 Oct 2019 #23
She "opened her mouth" StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #17
What comes out of it is what sets some people off. SMC22307 Oct 2019 #24
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2019 #27
Seriously, make it stop! SMC22307 Oct 2019 #29
Lol. You'd love that, wouldn't you? StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #32
I would. And Trump and the Russians... SMC22307 Oct 2019 #38
Yes. Truth bothers some people StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #31
Wish you would post as an OP. Excellent comment. Nt spooky3 Oct 2019 #34
The nation is full of "clueless and compromised" and they vote. SMC22307 Oct 2019 #42
What if HRC is exactly right in what she said? I think spooky3 Oct 2019 #33
She may be right. But middle America is not going to sweat the details... SMC22307 Oct 2019 #37
Are you aware that third party candidates pulled a spooky3 Oct 2019 #39
Yes, and do you really think Americans care about Russian interference? SMC22307 Oct 2019 #43
That's not the point. Nt spooky3 Oct 2019 #44
A certain former presidential candidate Voltaire2 Oct 2019 #16
That certain former presidential candidate made sure a certain current presidential candidate StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #18
Huh? Gabbard was going nowhere and polling Voltaire2 Oct 2019 #20
LOL The vast majority of Americans have never heard of Tulsi Gabbard. SMC22307 Oct 2019 #26
Iowa voters are VERY aware of issues like this and far more spooky3 Oct 2019 #41
She wasn't getting that press before Hillary's statement. cwydro Oct 2019 #21
And the press she's getting now isn't doing her any good, it will disappear in a few days, StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #22
You keep telling yourself that. SMC22307 Oct 2019 #28
RW media also says that Trump is king, Biden's corrupt and Elizabeth Warren's a Socialist StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #36
Because a terrifying number of Americans believe them, they vote, and we get hosed. SMC22307 Oct 2019 #45
#ETTD (Everything Trump touches dies) dewsgirl Oct 2019 #9
Tulsi almost was Named Trump Sec. of State ritapria Oct 2019 #11
K Cha Oct 2019 #12
Kick! mcar Oct 2019 #25
Magical thinking. (n/t) SMC22307 Oct 2019 #30
#ettd dewsgirl Oct 2019 #35
t-rump, Tusi, Stein and the rest . . . Iliyah Oct 2019 #40
Yep Gothmog Oct 2019 #47
 

emulatorloo

(44,063 posts)
1. Is this a coveted endorsement?
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 11:23 PM
Oct 2019
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Pachamama

(16,884 posts)
48. I believe it is indeed
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 12:22 AM
Oct 2019
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Yoopy

(124 posts)
2. I disagree
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 11:26 PM
Oct 2019

A dead campaign cannot die.

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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
3. "Hillary called Tulsi a Russian asset but that's crazy cuz she said the same thing about ME!"
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 11:29 PM
Oct 2019

Tulsi must be thrilled with THAT defense!

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Cha

(296,846 posts)
10. He's so unbearably stupid
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 12:01 AM
Oct 2019

prize catch there, TG

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Pachamama

(16,884 posts)
49. I hope that the voters in your area (her constituents) think about that one when they think of TG
Mon Oct 21, 2019, 12:25 AM
Oct 2019

Yes Cha - he is so unbearably stupid - but in this "endorsement" he admitted that they both are Russian Assets....beautiful...

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Quixote1818

(28,918 posts)
13. Tulsi was always toast, but what this does is waters down the Trump / Russian collusion
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 02:47 AM
Oct 2019

FACTS in the eyes of the casual observer, because now, one of the most powerful Democrats is saying a Democratic congresswoman is just like Trump when it comes to Russia. Anything Russia related starts looking kooky when we HAD Trump on the ropes. Seriously, this helps Trump and puts a huge spotlight on someone who was fading into oblivion and revs up the Dem infighting that had calmed down.

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cwydro

(51,308 posts)
19. Agreed.
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 09:24 AM
Oct 2019

I really don’t get why Hillary did this.

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Quixote1818

(28,918 posts)
46. This is a pretty good article on this in the Atlantic
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 11:35 AM
Oct 2019

How Hillary Clinton Boosted Tulsi Gabbard
The 2016 Democratic nominee is right to worry about the congresswoman from Hawaii—but overshot the mark by calling her a Russian asset while offering no proof.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/10/hillary-clinton-elevating-tulsi-gabbard/600370/

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IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
4. What is dead may never die
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 11:30 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe941

(2,848 posts)
5. Honestly I dont know why tulsi is getting to much press...
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 11:31 PM
Oct 2019

The other candidates need the press.

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IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
7. Media loves controversy
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 11:33 PM
Oct 2019

And they love to stir it up as much as they can

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SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
8. Because Hillary Clinton opened her mouth...
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 11:37 PM
Oct 2019

and Trump's meathead base now believes that she called a female combat veteran a Russian asset. Warren's plan for how to pay for M4All isn't exciting, but I guess that is.

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SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
23. Think they're going to milk this all the way to November 2020?
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 10:20 AM
Oct 2019

They got a ton of mileage from "deplorables."

I think it's safe to say that after decades of the Clintons, I'm Clintoned out.

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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
17. She "opened her mouth"
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 09:14 AM
Oct 2019

Yes, that always seems to set some people off.

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SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
24. What comes out of it is what sets some people off.
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 10:22 AM
Oct 2019

You may want the ghost of Hillary Clinton lingering over November 2020, but I don't. The perception is that she attacked a female combat veteran -- how are you going to best the vast right-wing noise machine over that one?

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SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
29. Seriously, make it stop!
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 10:37 AM
Oct 2019

The Clintons have been in my life since the freakin' early '90s. Enough. Retire. Enjoy the grandkids. Travel. Bill faded into the background, Hillary needs to do the same.

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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
32. Lol. You'd love that, wouldn't you?
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 10:40 AM
Oct 2019

So would Trump and the Russians.

Sorry. None of you are gonna get your wish ...

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SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
38. I would. And Trump and the Russians...
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 11:01 AM
Oct 2019

are not going to stop because of anything that comes out of Hillary's mouth. Good luck with that.

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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
31. Yes. Truth bothers some people
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 10:39 AM
Oct 2019

Funny how when Bernie or Tulsi say things that make people uncomfortable, they're courageous purveyors of honest truth. Hillary says speaks the truth and she needs to stop opening her mouth because she's a "ghost" of campaigns past.

And FYI, only the clueless and compromised will feel offended because they believe Hillary Clinton "attacked a female combat veteran" while thinking it's perfectly fine for Tulsi Gabbard to call our former standard-bearer and first female nominee "the queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption,
personification of the rot that has sickened the Democratic Party for so long," who is behind a "concerted effort" to destroy Gabbard's reputation. Everyone else gets it and sees right through Tulsi.

Tulsi's whining is just further evidence of her unfitnest for office. on the other hand, Hillary has more than earned her right to say whatever she wants, however she likes, whenever she chooses.

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spooky3

(34,405 posts)
34. Wish you would post as an OP. Excellent comment. Nt
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 10:46 AM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
42. The nation is full of "clueless and compromised" and they vote.
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 11:09 AM
Oct 2019

We shouldn't have to deal with the very polarizing Hillary Clinton in November 2020, but it appears we will be. Good job!

"Everyone" sees right through Tulsi? You keep telling yourself that. Many Americans believe what she said and if she does run third-party, she will cause damage. Just like Jill Stein and Ralph Nader caused damage, right? Thanks, Hillary, for thrusting her into the limelight!

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spooky3

(34,405 posts)
33. What if HRC is exactly right in what she said? I think
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 10:45 AM
Oct 2019

She very likely is, and SHOULD speak out.

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SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
37. She may be right. But middle America is not going to sweat the details...
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 10:59 AM
Oct 2019

the perception is that she attacked a female combat veteran. How many Dem presidential candidates have now defended Gabbard? They shouldn't have been placed in that position.

Do you honestly believe that the vast majority of Americans care about Russia? Many believe that Mueller came up empty and that Fat Nixon was exonerated. The situation in Ukraine, however, actually seems to have some teeth.

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spooky3

(34,405 posts)
39. Are you aware that third party candidates pulled a
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 11:04 AM
Oct 2019

Much bigger percentage of the votes in 2016 than in 2012? Russian interference needs to be called out, even if their Republican puppets won’t act.

HRC spoke out for the benefit of the ENTIRE election process.

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SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
43. Yes, and do you really think Americans care about Russian interference?
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 11:15 AM
Oct 2019

No one seems to give a shit. Economy is doing well for many... blind eyes are turned.

Hillary can speak out all she wants, but singling out a Democratic combat veteran candidate -- even if not by name -- was a mistake. Just like when she admitted that using "deplorables" was a mistake. Can't wait for her next book a few years from now where she admits this was a mistake as well.

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spooky3

(34,405 posts)
44. That's not the point. Nt
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 11:16 AM
Oct 2019
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Voltaire2

(12,958 posts)
16. A certain former presidential candidate
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 07:30 AM
Oct 2019

for whatever reason decided to give Gabbard a huge media boost.

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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
18. That certain former presidential candidate made sure a certain current presidential candidate
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 09:20 AM
Oct 2019

got shut down but good and is unlikely to do any real damage to us as a future third-party presidential candidate.

Democrats should be thanking that former candidate instead of telling her to keep her mouth shut and embracing her detractor.

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Voltaire2

(12,958 posts)
20. Huh? Gabbard was going nowhere and polling
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 09:25 AM
Oct 2019

Between zero and 1 per cent. My guess is her polling numbers will go up at least briefly from this horseshit.

And all this infighting nonsense just distracts from the problem in the offal office.

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SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
26. LOL The vast majority of Americans have never heard of Tulsi Gabbard.
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 10:32 AM
Oct 2019

Thanks to Clinton, they've heard of her now: the female combat veteran accused by Hillary of being a Russian asset. That's what the perception is.

What degree of damage is "real" from a third-party candidate? I've heard ad nauseam that Jill Stein cost us the election. Any votes that don't go to the Democrat hurt us. What, exactly, is "real damage" in your mind? If Stein and Gabbard both decide to run, Dems are hurt.

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spooky3

(34,405 posts)
41. Iowa voters are VERY aware of issues like this and far more
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 11:06 AM
Oct 2019

Involved than many. Good system or not, they have an outside role in the process, and will be paying a lot of attention to this story.

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cwydro

(51,308 posts)
21. She wasn't getting that press before Hillary's statement.
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 09:26 AM
Oct 2019

Absolutely baffling why she had to do that.

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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
22. And the press she's getting now isn't doing her any good, it will disappear in a few days,
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 09:29 AM
Oct 2019

and she's pretty much taken out as a third party candidate.

Nicely done, Hillary.

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SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
28. You keep telling yourself that.
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 10:35 AM
Oct 2019

Right-wing media is ALL over this and they're not going to let go. RW media hasn't let go of thinks Hillary said back in the '90s, FFS.

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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
36. RW media also says that Trump is king, Biden's corrupt and Elizabeth Warren's a Socialist
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 10:51 AM
Oct 2019

Who gives a fig what they have to say about anything?

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SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
45. Because a terrifying number of Americans believe them, they vote, and we get hosed.
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 11:21 AM
Oct 2019

But, yes, go with the la-la-la-fingers-in-the-ears approach. That helped us so much with the battle over the ACA -- historic Democratic losses afterwards that states like North Carolina are still trying to recover from.

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dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
9. #ETTD (Everything Trump touches dies)
Sat Oct 19, 2019, 11:46 PM
Oct 2019
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ritapria

(1,812 posts)
11. Tulsi almost was Named Trump Sec. of State
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 12:09 AM
Oct 2019

From The Hill : "Tulsi Gabbard is the Pick for Sec. of State , not Mitt Romney" ……...

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SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
30. Magical thinking. (n/t)
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 10:38 AM
Oct 2019
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Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
40. t-rump, Tusi, Stein and the rest . . .
Sun Oct 20, 2019, 11:04 AM
Oct 2019

HRC did not name anyone. What say you.

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