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Thu Oct 17, 2019, 01:56 AM

 

Sen. Klobuchar Used My Line (Posted on DU) in the debate

Before the 2018 election results were announced, I posted my prediction here on DU that a progressive Democratic blue wave would hit, but I specifically.changed wave to wall and said Trump would pay for that wall.

Here is my original post from 2018:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11373957

I also repeated this framing on Sirius XM Progress radio on a call-in.

Then Senator Amy Klobuchar adopted my line and on September 21 there were 61 likes for it here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287289211

Sen. Klobuchar repeated that line in last night's debate, which caught my attention.

I just want to say that beautiful blue walls are not created by the bipartisan working across the aisle that is one of Senator Klobuchar's signature characteristics.
They are created by hard campaigning for Dems and against Republicans.

I don't mind anyone using this phrase in general, but i do want to state my objection to it being repurposed to apply to the bipartisan efforts Klobuchar favors. The 2018 elections had a big beautiful blue wall that emphatically rejected Trump and Republicans. It wasn't a handshake across the aisle Amy!

The least Klobuchar could do is give a shout out to getting good ideas from DU!! (Or DUers on Progress radio).

On edit: some excellent research below showing some others thought of the phrase before too. I salute them. I still object to repurposing the line to refer to bipartisan efforts!
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Land Shark Oct 2019 OP
blm Oct 2019 #1
Land Shark Oct 2019 #2
highplainsdem Oct 2019 #3
Land Shark Oct 2019 #4
Land Shark Oct 2019 #5
yowzayowzayowza Oct 2019 #6
Land Shark Oct 2019 #8
MasonDreams Oct 2019 #7
Land Shark Oct 2019 #11
MasonDreams Oct 2019 #17
Land Shark Oct 2019 #19
lastlib Oct 2019 #9
RobertDevereaux Oct 2019 #10
Land Shark Oct 2019 #14
PhoenixDem Oct 2019 #12
Land Shark Oct 2019 #13
PhoenixDem Oct 2019 #15
Land Shark Oct 2019 #16
MasonDreams Oct 2019 #18

Response to Land Shark (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 02:03 AM

1. Hey, old buddy.

 

Nice to see you.
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Response to blm (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 02:06 AM

2. Thanks blm

 

Same here. Where you been?
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Response to Land Shark (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 02:12 AM

3. GMTA, Land Shark. Other people thought of and used that line before you. Some examples:

 

From 2016:









From 2017:






I'd guess if Klobuchar heard that line before, instead of thinking of it herself (which is just as possible as anyone else coming up with it), it was most likely a result of what was said at the Texas Democratic Women convention in early 2017. I'd be surprised if that line hadn't been copied into a lot of emails and social media posts circulated by Democratic women then.


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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 02:18 AM

4. Where does it say the blue wall is BIPARTISAN?

 


I object to the repurposing.

But I take your point that others have thought of them. They deserve credit! I will edit my post.
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 02:40 AM

5. Anyone can use that line freely

 

You make a sound analysis about the Dem women listserv (which i would not have received not being a woman, but Klobuchar might have)

Even if i had been the first to coin it, the point in putting it out there is the hope that it will be of use....

That said, the main point is the apparent bipartisan repurposing. I think one can work across the aisle with legislation, but elections are not bipartisan affairs, so there seems to be a distinction to be made here in how the phrase is used -the general context. If it weren't for that angle I wouldn't say a thing about her using it.
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Response to Land Shark (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 02:55 AM

6. Hey. Long time!

 

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Response to yowzayowzayowza (Reply #6)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 03:21 AM

8. Good to see ya!

 

Haven't posted much except for this big story about the coverup of an exxon valdez-sized gas spill in ND, during DAPL no less. Here are the direct links rather than the DU posts:

On August 19, 2019, the investigative website desmogblog asked whether it was 11,000,000 gallons, not 10 gallons as officially listed by the state for over four years.
https://www.desmogblog.com/2019/08/19/north-dakota-regulators-oil-gas-spill-exxon-valdez

A second story confirms that a document states it was the company's estimate of 11,000,000 gallons, not a contractor's estimate:

https://www.desmogblog.com/2019/10/01/whistle-blower-lehto-oneok-north-dakota-gas-plants-spill

11,000,000 gallons means bigger than the Exxon Valdez

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Response to Land Shark (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 03:09 AM

7. It bugs me when they call themselves one of us then they vote with them.

 

I better shut up now.
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Response to MasonDreams (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 08:26 AM

11. Elijah Cummings was the opposite of that. nt

 

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Response to Land Shark (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 05:55 PM

17. Elijah Cummings is a wonderful Superhero. An inspiration for all humans.

 

He's celebrating a break from hanging out with a half republican crowd.

Tonight he is with Dr King, Gandhi, Jesus, and Nelson Mandela.
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Response to MasonDreams (Reply #17)

Fri Oct 18, 2019, 01:43 PM

19. Agree!

 

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Response to Land Shark (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 06:16 AM

9. I too want no nicey-nice with that other party

 

I have nothing but contempt, loathing, and seething hatred for the gang that has given us the tRump crime ring, the Bush/Cheney/neocon war criminal ring, McConnell, Helms, Cruz, Ryan, and so many other greedy soul-sucking, worker-raping, billionaire-coddling, tRump-enabling assholes. I want them Burned. To. The. Ground. Like, Yesterday.
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Response to Land Shark (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 08:07 AM

10. That now fully toxic party must die, be buried, and never rise again.

 

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Response to RobertDevereaux (Reply #10)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 11:27 AM

14. It certainly won't last past Trump, imo

 

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Response to Land Shark (Original post)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 08:45 AM

12. Bipartisanship is here to stay

 

Democrats will never have a sustainable 60+ seat majority in the senate.

The extreme left wing can dream about it but an overwhelming majority of Americans is centrist.
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Response to PhoenixDem (Reply #12)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 10:41 AM

13. Talking about ELECTIONS here, not.governance

 

Elections involve contrast and choice. Clear difference.

Bipartisanship comes larer, if it comes at all.

But what has bipartisanship accomplished for you un the last couple years?
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Response to Land Shark (Reply #13)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 12:18 PM

15. Elections don't have bipartisanship

 

but there are a lot of republicans and Democrats who vote for the other party if the candidate is not too far off into ideology.

Sometimes they do it out of spite if they are gaslighted with tales of rigging.
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Response to PhoenixDem (Reply #15)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 12:40 PM

16. But it is truly far more complex than left right and center

 

I have lived for years in one of the reddest states. Working class people there were dead set against Hillary Clinton but found Bernie Sanders to be an interesting candidate they could support. These folks should be blue all along, but something happened to really sour them toward establishment or centrist Dems. Moving to center is not a guaranteed way to get the most votes. I could organize for any "insurgent" Dem like Sanders, Yang, Tulsi but it was the worst kind of uphill battle organizing for centrist dems.

Just my oft repeated experience there
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Response to PhoenixDem (Reply #12)

Thu Oct 17, 2019, 06:52 PM

18. We dreamed about letting women vote, and POC too!.

 

We dreamed about child labor laws, a five day work week with some safety rules.
We dreamed about Nixon's resignation and an end to the Vietnam War.

We will keep fighting to make our dreams come true. Right now I am dreaming of medical care w/o bankruptcy.

Please turn 180 and fight the fascists.

Return to representating the base is necessary.
I will vote for the nominee will you?
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