Undecideds: Did the debate change your mind?

[mysteryowl]

DU has 36% of undecideds, have any of you changed your mind after last nights debate?

If so, why?
If not, why?

Thanks, we all want to hear from you.

[beachbumbob]

1. I was waiting for other conadidates to finally throw at Warren as she has been given pretty much a

free ride. I thought Buttigieg and Klobuchar made the argument well that pointed out how Warren pretty much exist in a fariyland she shares with Sanders

[evertonfc]

3. good point

If the nominee, I fully expect Warren to struggle in the general. She will absolutely not put Florida, Texas or North Carolina in play. I'll work my ass off for her but she will have a tough time

[beachbumbob]

7. at this point, IF warren would be nominee, Michigan, Pennsylvannia and Ohio would be off the

table too. America is a center-left country, never been a left-center one ever. But lots of time for this to play out. I see Warren losing following same as Sanders and then we will hear probably same stuff of "not being able to support the lesser of 2 evils" which gave trump the election in 2016

[DownriverDem]

13. Too many folks

do not understand that. trump does not want to run against Biden. That says it all for me. If Warren would get the nomination, trump will run a misogyny campaign. Sadly folks do no understand our country. I'll vote for Warren, but trump will win.

[thesquanderer]

43. re: "Michigan, Pennsylvannia and Ohio would be off the table"

Polls show Warren takes Michigan...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/mi/michigan_trump_vs_warren-6769.html

...and Pennsylvania...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/pa/pennsylvania_trump_vs_warren-6865.html

..and according to the latest poll, Ohio as well...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/oh/ohio_trump_vs_warren-6762.html

(and is also competitive in Florida and NC as posted elsewhere)

[thesquanderer]

42. Warren does keep Florida and North Carolina in play

Florida polls:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/fl/florida_trump_vs_warren-6844.html

North Carolina polls:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/nc/north_carolina_trump_vs_warren-6746.html

[Perseus]

12. A fairyland??? You reach for the stars and you capture the moon

Why is it a fairyland? It is not like her ideas are new, it has worked for many European countries, they have implemented what she wants to implement in the USA, there is nothing new about it, and it is working fantastically well for those countries. I have a sister who lives in one of the European countries where universal healthcare, free education is provided to its citizens, and the country is doing very well.

On the same token, everyone else is setting the bar very low and they will reach even lower giving us, once again, more of the same.

I think it is a sad state of affairs that the other candidates focused on Warren, pathetic, but I don't hear anyone complaining here as when they went after Biden.

We have a choice, we elect a candidate who is going to fight corruption from the elites and politicians, who is going to genuinely work to better the life of USA citizens, to create better opportunities for its citizens, who will try its hardest to fight against the status quo to give more to the people without the politics and false rhetoric, or we can stay with the other candidates who will give us more of the same.

[beachbumbob]

15. america is not europe and europe is not america

Not saying vast improvements can not be made in america but its not a situation that would be embraced by all on any level.

[Act_of_Reparation]

19. Is-Ought

Look it up.

[Perseus]

25. First of, this is the United States of America, when you say "America" you are including

many countries, those of North America, Central America and South America.

When you say "America is not Europe" you are missing the point that "CANADA", which is part of North America, has free education, universal health care, and other social programs to help society reach their dreams, not just the 1%.

So when you say "America" you are missing the point that, again, Canada which is part of North America, and thus the American continent, DOES have the same social programs as many European countries.

Please explain why the USA cannot have those social programs, such as free education and universal health care? What makes us so special that we have to struggle as a society because we don't have those benefits? Explain why it is so right for the USA to have a corrupt system where the wealthy get all the perks while the rest have to struggle with parents having to work two to three jobs to make ends meet. What makes the USA so special that families must lose everything they have due to medical costs? how special does that make the United States of America?

[Fiendish Thingy]

36. Canada does not have free post secondary education

Some colleges (equal to community colleges in US) are very low cost, but Degree-granting univesristies and diploma/certificate issuing tech/trade schools are not free.

[Perseus]

28. One more thing on your comment "but its not a situation that would be embraced by all on any level."

Who do you know that would not embrace having "Universal Healthcare", or who would reject to having their kids enjoy "Free Education", just like many of the European countries and that other country in North America (Canada) do?

Yes, people love to have to fight with insurance companies when filing claims, they love to have to pay deductibles every time they visit a doctor, they love the fact that if they need an X-Ray they first have to visit their primary Dr. so they can pay the deductible for his/her to sign a little paper for his/her assistant to send them to the X-Ray place, sometimes they don't even make the appointment for you, you have to call. People love the fact that the lobbies from the medical laboratories have managed to have politicians pass laws where your primary Dr. cannot draw blood, cannot do things they used to do, so you have to go to one of the labs.

The lie that with "Universal Healthcare" you have to wait for even an appointment? I had a bad cold, called my primary Dr. and they did not have an opening until about a month. I told the assistant, in a month I could be dead or the cold gone, she told me to go to emergency. That is what is happening in this country.

Everyone in the USA of America loves the fact that we pay, at least, five times for medicines that the rest of the World does. Sometimes even more.

The only people I can see not embracing what Warren wants to do are the pharmaceutical industry, the medical industry, the insurances, and the corrupt politicians, I can't see anyone else complaining about it.

[evertonfc]

2. no

I didn't see a debate. I saw a crowded stage, with 3 -4 candidates getting time to speak and telling me nothing I didn't already know. I'll support any of them with vigor but none light a fire under my was like Obama and Bill Clinton. We don't have that "it" this cycle. This cycle We have brilliant candidates but Washington insiders for the most part.

[LeftTurn3623]

27. I guess you tuned out every time Pete spoke

[blueinredohio]

4. I don't watch the debates.

I don't feel excitement for any of the candidates this election. But I will whole heartedly support whichever democrat who wins.

[Dem4Life1102]

5. Not really

However I did think it was petty of Warren not to thank Biden

[Cha]

6. Wow.. I heard something about

that.

[beachbumbob]

9. so far been little support of Biden by warren with ordeal that Joe been subjected to by trump and co

almost all other candidates have offered their backing and support to Biden over this. Warren? Pretty quiet and very telling to me on character

[hlthe2b]

8. That really bugged me too...

I also thought Buttigieg went too far in attacking Beto that hard. I understand the policy disagreement, but I don't doubt for a moment that Beto is deeply impacted by El Paso and other recent shootings.

On both matters, sometimes a velvet glove (and grace) is the better course. One can still voice policy disagreements without coming off boorish.

That said, I have seen every single debate. I already feel I know the positions, but as with Obama v Clinton in years past, I won't decide my primary choice until just prior to the Colorado primary. I surely have favorites, but I feel no need to commit until I am ready to vote. Nor will I.

[Perseus]

16. I was not able to watch the debate, Warren should have thanked him for what?

I just want to know, as I said, I was not able to watch the debate.

[Dem4Life1102]

30. Biden thanked Warren for her work

setting up the Consumer Protection Agency and noted that he worked in the Senate to get the votes needed to pass it. Then Warren thanked President Obama for his help but didn't thank Biden.

[Perseus]

37. Thank you for the information

Yes, she should have thanked both, Obama and Biden.

Still, that is not reason to dismiss her, she is still a very good contender, so I hope people think of it as a slip of the brain. At what time in the debate did that come up? Had she been drilled by then from all the other candidates? Not sure if Biden also got on her case, I didn't watch the debate.

[Dem4Life1102]

38. Not dismissing her

Just saying it made her look petty

[luvs2sing]

10. I am impressed with all of them..

except Gabbard. I know I’ll be happy to vote for whoever gets the nomination. Other than that, still too early to tell.

[seaglass]

11. Yes, I have completely ruled out Warren now as my first choice in the primary. I watched about 2/3

of the debate and then had enough.

It has been more of a ruling out for me and so far Biden, Sanders, Gabbard, Yang, Steyer and now Warren ruled out.

Still like Harris, Klobuchar and Booker.

Didn't like Buttigieg's attack on O'Rourke and he is right on the edge of being ruled out.

Not sure about Castro and O'Rourke and those who haven't made the debate stage except no on Ryan, no on Williamson and no on Delaney if he's still running.

[Cha]

14. Hi seaglass.. can you

tell us why you ruled out EW?

Mahalo!

[seaglass]

17. Her comment that everyone except her and Bernie supported billionaires reminded me too much of

Bernie and his " I am always right and everyone who doesn't agree with me is corrupt" attitude. There are other reasons that have built over time but that comment in particular hit me last night and exposed both arrogance and a level of b&w thinking that I don't appreciate.

[Cha]

18. Thank you for that.

[Perseus]

21. Did she tell a lie? I think she is right, most everyone else has supported billionaires & corp

Tell me one of those she mentioned who has not accepted contributions from big corp?

Also, they all seemed to have agreed to go after Warren, although I am sure there is no conspiracy there, but they all came after her, and you expect her to stay quiet and not defend herself while pointing out some truths about the rest?

[seaglass]

29. It doesn't work that way. She made an accusation because other candidates had different ideas about

taxing the wealthy, she needs to show the evidence that her statement is true. You tell me who has accepted what contribution and how that equals protecting billionaires.

She was defending a policy while making a character assassination about her opponents, she should have stuck with policy comparisons.

Of course they were going to come after her policies, she is the front runner - or at least tied, no agreement was needed.

And before accusing others of making decisions based on financial support, you might want to read this. I am from MA and I know Warren was supporting the industry because it is big in MA, I wouldn't assume she would support this because someone gave her money/support but I guess everyone could be accused of nefarious motives.

https://time.com/3695581/elizabeth-warren-medical-device-lobbyists-obamacare/
Elizabeth Warren Goes to Bat for Medical Device Industry

[dansolo]

41. Bernie did the same thing regarding M4A

He accused Biden of wanting to keep everything as it is now because he doesn't support Bernie's plan. That is a blatant lie.

The thing that I most dislike about Elizabeth Warren is that whenever she is asked about specifics, she responds with stories about people with terrible healthcare stories. We get it, the system is broken. My problem with what she and Bernie are promoting is that if their plan can't be implemented, then what? They have no fallback plan. Either it is M4A, or nothing.

This debate convinced me that I could never support Warren in the primary, when before I hadn't ruled her out.

[2naSalit]

20. I listened on the radio

since there was so much internet traffic that I couldn't get even DU pages to load.

I will decide when the primaries get around to my state. By then a lot of winnowing will have occurred and I will have a smaller group to select from. I listen to debates because I glean quite a bit of info about the candidates regardless of what media interprets.

The one who concerns me the most is Gabbard, I don't get a good feeling about her whenever I hear her speak, kind of triggers something that makes me cringe.*

I like that all the other women on stage made good points though I'm troubled that EW won't admit that the tax structure will require some serious tweaking and how the rise in taxes is to be expected yet allegedly offset by the benefits we would all receive. I don't get why that was so hard for her, made her sound unrealistic or incomplete in the plotting of the plan.

In the primaries, I'm not voting for any white guy. In the general, I only vote for the Democratic candidate.

That said, too early to choose.

ETA: * It's the content of her message and the ominous tone she uses in delivery. Reminds me of my elder brother threatening me during my abused childhood, the tone is threatening with an undertone of severity that implies a painful result for the wrong answer or response. I don't want anyone with that mannerism in government.

[Perseus]

22. Not only the Tax structure will require tweaking, a lot of things will

But at least she, and Bernie, is willing to make those tweaks and more, she is reaching for the stars, everyone else seems to be OK with the status quo.

Lets face it, the damage the creature and his minions will leave behind will require more than tweaking.

[2naSalit]

23. Indeed.

The whole tax structure will need reform, and that can only happen with Democratic House, Senate and president.

[demmiblue]

24. Buttigieg went down a few pegs in my book.

Then he went on the morning shows and doubled down. You can disagree to disagree, yet do it without, well, this:

“Last night she was more specific and forthcoming about the number of selfies she’s taken than about how this plan is going to be funded,” Pete Buttigieg says on Elizabeth Warren dodging questions about raising taxes to pay for "Medicare for All" https://cnn.it/2P2njKX

Link to tweet

Save that for trump.

Klobuchar, saying that Elizabeth (Elizabeth, not Senator Warren) was using republican talking points, also irked me a bit.

[dalton99a]

31. Says the guy who waited to see other candidates' plans and copied them

Too bad he can't use his Plan for Black People in South Bend

[randr]

26. Made me stronger in my support for Amy

Attacks against EW only gave her more time to repeat the same old same old.
I would rather watch an open discussion among candidates about what it means to be a Democrat

[The Mouth]

32. I will say that friends and family had the best reaction to

Tulsi.

Just a very limited sample, but amongst people who dislike Trump enough to vote against him, but don't like Warren, Biden, nor Pete, the comments were "She (Tulsi) seems sane"."I can stand to listen to her", and "Probably not a raving socialist".

That's just the reaction of friends and some family who would probably vote Republican if not for the raging dumpster fire that is our current POTUS.

[imanamerican63]

33. Deciding who I want to support is still way to early.

When it gets down to 5 or 6 candidates, I will make my choice. Right now there are to many and some of the candidates will be dropping out soon. I like most of them but will support the one who makes it thru. I figure Warren or Biden will break thru, but there is time for others to finish strong.

[LAS14]

34. I changed my mind about the wealth tax.

I have been 100% enthusiastic. Now I want to know more about the European countries that tried it and rolled it back because of implementation difficulties. I did hear that correctly, right? I forget who said it.

[Green Line]

35. I think it was Yang

[northoftheborder]

39. Still not in love with one person....

....agree with many posts above......have eliminated some from my list of favorites.....

Still thoroughly disgusted with the debate format, but that's not the candidates' fault. Too much time spent on complicated issues (health care, taxes) which HAVE TO BE PASSED BY CONGRESS, not the President. They all talk as though they can just wave a magic wand as President and PRESTO. People out there who are poorly informed about how things work believe that, then are disappointed when things do not change and are turned off of the whole "Guvmint".

The best answers were the last ones, where they had to voice a vision, an inspiration as to WHY they wanted to be a leader. Unfortunately, my television went out during the last hour, then when I listened to my recording of it, the last three answerers, with Sanders, Biden, and Warren, didn't include in the recording, since they went a few minutes over time. AARRGG! I'm wondering if the debate will be retired any time. Maybe on C-Span.

[Iggo]

40. Didn't watch. Don't care. Doesn't matter.

I'm voting for the Dem in the general election. Til then I'm trying to ignore it while they all try to make each other look bad.