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Tue Oct 15, 2019, 10:10 PM

 

Question about the Yang (and, apparently, Gabbard) UBI proposal.

Would the $1,000 per month payment be in addition to programs such as SNAP and Section 8, or in lieu of such programs?
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Reply Question about the Yang (and, apparently, Gabbard) UBI proposal. (Original post)
Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2019 OP
namahage Oct 2019 #1
Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2019 #3
SKKY Oct 2019 #2
Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2019 #4
redqueen Oct 2019 #10
left-of-center2012 Oct 2019 #5
Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2019 #6
namahage Oct 2019 #8
redqueen Oct 2019 #12
htuttle Oct 2019 #7
redqueen Oct 2019 #13
W_HAMILTON Oct 2019 #15
thesquanderer Oct 2019 #9
redqueen Oct 2019 #14
redqueen Oct 2019 #11
eilen Oct 2019 #16
Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2019 #17

Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Tue Oct 15, 2019, 10:12 PM

1. In lieu of.

 

Apparently, if you receive such aid you would have a choice—take the $1k or take the aid, but not both.

Yang claims that most would opt for the cash.
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Response to namahage (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 15, 2019, 10:16 PM

3. Thanks!

 

I knew I'd get an answer faster here.
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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Tue Oct 15, 2019, 10:14 PM

2. In lieu of...

 

UBI would basically become the new social safety net.
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Response to SKKY (Reply #2)

Tue Oct 15, 2019, 10:21 PM

4. Also thanks.

 

Simpler. Very possibly more efficient. However, people lose their damn minds now when someone uses a SNAP voucher to buy a lobster tail.
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Response to SKKY (Reply #2)

Sat Oct 19, 2019, 10:25 PM

10. Actually no, here's a pic showing how it works.

 

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Tue Oct 15, 2019, 10:24 PM

5. $1,000 a month?

 

The average Social Security benefit was $1,461 per month in January 2019.

https://money.usnews.com/money/retirement/social-security/articles/2018-08-20/how-much-you-will-get-from-social-security
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #5)

Tue Oct 15, 2019, 10:26 PM

6. That's what I heard Yang say

 

I invite correction/clarification
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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #6)

Tue Oct 15, 2019, 10:39 PM

8. From his website:

 

https://www.yang2020.com/policies/the-freedom-dividend/

Andrew would implement the Freedom Dividend, a universal basic income of $1,000/month, $12,000 a year, for every American adult over the age of 18.


How would this be paid for? Through a value added tax (VAT). Unfortunately, VAT, like other consumption based taxes such as sales taxes, tend to be regressive—they affect lower-income people proportionally more.
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Response to namahage (Reply #8)

Sat Oct 19, 2019, 10:27 PM

12. They are regressive, but when paired with the UBI

 

and when necessities are exempted, that mitigates the regressive nature of the tax.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #5)

Tue Oct 15, 2019, 10:37 PM

7. My mother gets twice that, since she outlived my father

 

$1,000 is not enough to avoid living on catfood in many, many places.

And not enough to live indoors in many others.



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Response to htuttle (Reply #7)

Sat Oct 19, 2019, 10:28 PM

13. The Freedom Dividend stacks with Social Security Retirement benefits.

 

It's not meant to be a replacement for income. It's meant to be an income floor or foundation so that no citizen is left completely out in the cold so to speak.
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Response to redqueen (Reply #13)

Sun Oct 20, 2019, 11:53 AM

15. It didn't stack originally.

 

Which is one of the reasons why I shake my head every time someone talks about how intelligent and well thought out Yang and his policies are. Literally anyone with even the slightest bit of knowledge or experience with Social Security would have quickly realized that a $1,000/mo not stacking with Social Security, yet still forcing the elderly to pay for it through a national VAT, would have driven many senior citizens back into the poverty that Social Security was meant to uplift them from.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #5)

Tue Oct 15, 2019, 11:12 PM

9. UBI does not replace Social Security

 

From Yamg's site:

Social Security retirement benefits stack with UBI. Since it is a benefit that people pay into throughout their lives, that money is properly viewed as belonging to them, and they shouldn’t need to choose.
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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #9)

Sat Oct 19, 2019, 10:29 PM

14. Oops just saw this. It doesn't stack with Social Security cash benefits - forget what that's called,

 

but it does stack with disability and retirement. Among other types of welfare benefits.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #5)

Sat Oct 19, 2019, 10:26 PM

11. It stacks with Social Security Retirement benefits. nt

 

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Sun Oct 20, 2019, 02:19 PM

16. Why is this necessary with 3.4% unemployment?

 

Even fast food workers are going to be making $15/hr in NY state.
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Response to eilen (Reply #16)

Tue Oct 22, 2019, 01:55 AM

17. The theory of UBI is that the individual is a better judge of their needs than the State

 

As it stands now, non-work tied social programs are vouchers (SNAP, WIC, and Section 8 being the ready examples I can think of at this hour).

RE: Fast Food workers. They won't make $15 everywhere - only in the states that have raised to $15. That said, two things: a) I agree that the best way to slash entitlements and stimulate the economy is to mandate a minimum wage that is > than the poverty line, and can reasonably pay for health, rent, food, and transportation; however b) I'm not sure a nationwide $15 mandate is the way to do it. Instead, I'd rather look regionally. In parts of the Midwest, $12-13 would probably work; in the SF Bay Area or Seattle, I'm thinking $15 isn't nearly enough - even $20 might not do it.
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