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Tue Oct 15, 2019, 01:42 PM

 

Froma Harrop: Sanders wants it both ways as party outsider

On a recent “Saturday Night Live,” Bernie Sanders (played by Larry David) exclaimed, “l’m so excited to be back and to ruin things a second time.” The audience emitted a nervous laugh.

The Vermont senator’s fan base takes great offense at the notion that Sanders was a spoiler in the 2016 election who helped elect Donald Trump. But many Democrats believe that and remain bitter over his burnt-earth campaign against Hillary Clinton. This explains Sanders’ frequent shoutouts these days about how he avidly supported Clinton’s candidacy.

Sanders is recovering from his recent heart attack and has wisely eased the pace on his campaign. One of his key issues now is big money’s outsized role in elections. That’s fine, but why is he singling out the Democratic National Convention as the place that needs shaping up, demanding that it ban all corporate donations?

Because Sanders has long reserved his strongest critiques for Democrats who don’t conform to his worldview. From a practical perspective, Democrats can’t unilaterally disarm from fundraising. In any case, it’s odd to zero in on Democrats when the other party is far more bought.

Long after Trump became the Republican nominee, Sanders threatened to withhold his support from the Democrats’ pick if certain demands weren’t met. He never reined in the fanatics he had inflamed against Clinton. At the Democratic National Convention, Sanders delegates booed Clinton surrogates and even chanted, “Lock her up!”

Trump immediately picked up Sanders’ talking points about Clinton being a tool of Wall Street fat cats. Imagine that. And Russian trolls covertly fanned anger in the Sanders base to drain votes from Clinton.

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https://www.heraldnet.com/opinion/harrop-sanders-wants-it-both-ways-as-party-outsider/
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2019 OP
comradebillyboy Oct 2019 #1
LanternWaste Oct 2019 #2
Ztolkins Oct 2019 #7
corbettkroehler Oct 2019 #10
melman Oct 2019 #3
Cha Oct 2019 #9
betsuni Oct 2019 #13
PhoenixDem Oct 2019 #4
Cha Oct 2019 #5
NurseJackie Oct 2019 #6
TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #8
elocs Oct 2019 #11
betsuni Oct 2019 #12
aikoaiko Oct 2019 #14
ehrnst Oct 2019 #18
Hortensis Oct 2019 #15
aikoaiko Oct 2019 #16
ehrnst Oct 2019 #17

Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Oct 15, 2019, 01:52 PM

1. Excellent article. It's worth reading the whole thing....

 

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Oct 15, 2019, 02:32 PM

2. I never did get the "revolution" thing as it comes from a professional politician

 

But then again, commercial branding isn't about accuracy, just a series of appeals to emotive, hispter tag-lines and bumper stickers.
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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #2)

Tue Oct 15, 2019, 03:01 PM

7. Like "Hope and Change?"

 

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Response to Ztolkins (Reply #7)

Tue Oct 15, 2019, 03:12 PM

10. Boom! That's The Point!

 

This attitude reminds me a little of Sarah Palin's old "Hopey, Changey Thing" line.

Medicare For All won't happen until millions of Americans stand up and demand it. That must be a coordinated. Warren and Sanders are the only ones who recognize that and, instead of declaring M4A politically dead, point us to how we could do it.
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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Oct 15, 2019, 02:38 PM

3. Froma Harrop

 

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Response to melman (Reply #3)

Tue Oct 15, 2019, 03:08 PM

9. She's not wrong.

 

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Response to melman (Reply #3)

Tue Oct 15, 2019, 07:58 PM

13. Your point?

 

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Oct 15, 2019, 02:39 PM

4. This is a great article

 

Finally someone is calling a spade a spade.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Oct 15, 2019, 02:56 PM

5. Dead On.

 

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Oct 15, 2019, 03:00 PM

6. "In any case, it's odd to zero in on Democrats when the other party is far more bought."

 

In any case, it’s odd to zero in on Democrats when the other party is far more bought.
Things like that only create suspicion, resentment and division. A divided party is a weak party. That only serves to benefit the GOP, and Trump, and Russia.
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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Oct 15, 2019, 03:06 PM

8. Won't be able to get away from it.

 

“ recovering from his recent heart attack ”
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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Oct 15, 2019, 07:56 PM

12. Thank you, excellent article!

 

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Oct 15, 2019, 09:28 PM

14. Fromma's premise is wrong. Bernie has hammered Republicans and Trump more than Democrats.

 



True in 2016 and true now.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #14)

Wed Oct 16, 2019, 03:32 PM

18. No, it's not wrong. (nt)

 

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2019, 07:00 AM

15. "l'm so excited to be back and to ruin things a second time."

 

Good article. Thanks, Yo Mama.

Sanders' illicit attempt to overset the choice of Democratic voters, every bit as contemptuous of representative democracy as Republican election theft, powerfully illustrates why I'm dismayed that any Democrat would support Sanders. And why I always speak out against him. We can only have national healthcare if the will of the people continues to rule. Sanders knew that when he attacked our sovereignty from the left as the Republicans and Russia seek to destroy it from the right.

When Clinton later amassed nearly 4 million more votes than he did, Sanders implored the superdelegates to bypass the primary voters’ choice and give him the nomination.


The article didn't point out Sanders' extensive piggybacking on massive Republican spending on anti-Clinton advertising by designing some of his own themes around theirs. Or his hiring once again of viciously dishonest attack staff to help create the 24% of his voters "he had inflamed against Clinton." 24% refused to vote for her, and most of those refused to vote for Democrats.

I believe politicians who misuse the power of their candidacies like this are giving the electorate huge clues to how they would use the real thing.
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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Wed Oct 16, 2019, 07:20 AM

16. A solid 15% of polled primary voters disagree.

 



Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Froma.

Bernie may not win this primary race either, but he has the support of enough rank and file Democrats and independents to stay in.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #16)

Wed Oct 16, 2019, 03:15 PM

17. Source for that stat? (nt)

 

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