Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumSanders: Elizabeth Warren is a capitalist to her bones. I'm not
ABC News, October 12, 2019
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-draws-contrast-elizabeth-warren-capitalist-bones/story?id=66217140
Bernie Sanders draws contrast with Elizabeth Warren: 'She is a capitalist through her bones. I'm not.'
(snip) Sanders pushed back at the idea that he and Warren hold "identical positions," and added, of the notion that voters would prefer the similarly liberal Warren given she is younger and free of health concerns, that he is the sole candidate willing to take on the nation's "ruling class."
"I am, I believe, the only candidate who's going to say to the ruling class of this country, the corporate elite: Enough. Enough with your greed and with your corruption," Sanders said. "We need real change in this country."
Sanders noted that he and Warren have been friends "for some 25 years," and he thinks "she is a very, very good senator," but again contrasted their different economic beliefs.
"Elizabeth considers herself -- if I got the quote correctly -- to be a capitalist to her bones," he said. "I don't."
EDIT: DU interview link https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287306890
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Cha
(295,543 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dem4decades
(11,211 posts)Yeah that's sarcasm.
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Celerity
(42,448 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,138 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)It used to keep me up awake at night in 2016, wondering whether he was a capitalist to his bones.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DURHAM D
(32,580 posts)What a guy.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
My thoughts exactly. She is one of the front runners that, in his mind, needs to be attacked. This pisses me off.
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BlueMTexpat
(15,344 posts)an old dog to learn new tricks though.
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OKNancy
(41,832 posts)I'm sure he considers this a slam on Warren. It won't get him any votes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,138 posts)One of my favorites!
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tishaLA
(14,176 posts)with a significant number of voters
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
That was my first thought.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
peggysue2
(10,801 posts)If Elizabeth Warren considers herself a capitalist (which she does) and Senator Sanders does not?
Then what is he?
I have my answer at the ready.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,937 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MontanaFarmer
(630 posts)There's not a secret socialist army out there just waiting for mr. right. Most Americans, even most Democrats, consider themselves to be capitalists. Capitalism is flawed, and i agree that major social changes and reforms need to be made. But if one wants to be the candidate that makes those changes, you probably don't want to criticize a very progressive reformer for being too capitalist. Can't think this will win many to his side.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(91,807 posts)in his campaign, and now furthers that alienation by attacking Elizabeth Warren with misrepresentations and distortions.
I really wish he would drop out of the race. He is a divisive person who adds nothing to the fight against trump except to push division among Democrats, something we don't need especially at this time
The fact that he has been losing supporter to Elizabeth Warren seem to indicate that people are not buy his nonesense
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DrFunkenstein
(8,745 posts)Instead of allowing far-right wingnuts and Wall Street financiers to determine what constitutes a "moderate."
Thanks, Bernie! Every day you are making Warren a more palatable option. If the country is ready for you, I'm ready to feel the Bern, but until then I appreciate the helping hand.
Just like the specter of Malcolm X helped make MLK's call to action seem more "moderate," Sanders helps make Warren's resurrection of trust bustin' Teddy Roosevelt and New Dealin' Frankie Roosevelt seem much more middle-of-the-road.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Baclava
(12,047 posts)Ok, u can quit now
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LAS14
(13,741 posts)... to more people. She says she's a capitalist. She wants "capatalism WITH RULES!!!"
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betsuni
(25,063 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)...at your speaking engagements.
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Me.
(35,454 posts)and have your campaign buy books and then charge $10. for a combined entrance and book fee. Your sale numbers go up and based on the previous book's numbers, you ask for a bigger advance with each succeeding book and lo and behold...you're a millionaire.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ecstatic
(32,532 posts)Meanwhile, most Democrats are capitalists--we support the hybrid capitalist/socialist system we have now.
So, thanks Bernie for pointing out that you are out of step, not only with your own beliefs, but with most Democrats and Americans in general.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)All he's doing is shrinking the electorate by securing the following he's already developed. His supporters and members of the media make the mistake of thinking he's a contender based on his relatively strong performance in polls. But, while other candidates have the potential to rise or fall, it's pretty clear that the Sanders following isn't going to grow. He's a known quantity who has become as polarizing as Clinton, but with a much lower ceiling (and a less diverse following) than Clinton had--this is why we knew even before Super Tuesday in 2016 that he didn't stand a chance. Once again, he has no chance at the nomination, but maybe that's not his goal.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
nycbos
(6,030 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,229 posts)Seeing as this country is capitalist to its bones.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dgauss
(878 posts)The whole sentence, if that makes a difference to anyone, was:
And she did say that. He is using her own description of herself to draw a contrast. It is a legitimate difference between the way the two candidates view economic policy and Bernie is pointing it out, which is what candidates do.
But if quoting only half a sentence works better to get the thread rolling, that's good enough for some.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,267 posts)It appears that you didn't read far enough.
"Elizabeth considers herself -- if I got the quote correctly -- to be a capitalist to her bones," he said. "I don't.""
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Turin_C3PO
(13,574 posts)Its not very smart of Bernie to go with the socialist label. It will get him nowhere.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,229 posts)The dilemma is he shores up Warrens overall appeal in the process. Damned if he does...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Bleacher Creature
(11,230 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,138 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Me.
(35,454 posts)It's why she's getting traction from Silicon Valley and other places because most polls say people DO NOT WANT socialism. In fact, the Cons want to use 'the DEms are socialists' meme as a battle cry. Keep talking BS.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Docreed2003
(16,795 posts)This will not help bring people together after the primaries...this type of talk is only divisive
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,113 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TwilightZone
(25,267 posts)"Elizabeth considers herself -- if I got the quote correctly -- to be a capitalist to her bones," he said. "I don't."
It appears that a few of you didn't bother reading to the end.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dgauss
(878 posts)But here is the title of this thread:
"Sanders: Elizabeth Warren is a capitalist to her bones. I'm not"
Here is the one sentence summary, the only description offered by the poster, right at the top:
"Bernie Sanders draws contrast with Elizabeth Warren: 'She is a capitalist through her bones. I'm not."
Look, this isn't some high crime but it's a little dishonest and manipulative in my opinion. It feeds directly into the narrative that is constantly pushed that Sanders is always attacking Democrats. You honestly don't think that was a consideration when truncating the title and the one (half)sentence summary at the top of the page?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)is the headline abc News gave to the article. I was quoting exactly, not being manipulative.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)if my bias demanded it of me.
(try again... this time, read for context)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,113 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TwilightZone
(25,267 posts)If he's not a capitalist, the presumption would be that he considers himself a socialist.
Which, of course, is what he's been saying for decades, with and without the democratic modifier.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
myohmy2
(3,118 posts)...with you, Bernie
"Enough with your greed and with your corruption," Sanders said. "We need real change in this country."
...to embrace capitalism is to embrace evil...
...to embrace capitalism is to embrace the status quo...
...we need REAL change...
...are you happy with the status quo?
...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skittles
(152,918 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)for the good of the country because his supporters tend to take their marbles and go home if they don't get their way.
I want a Democrat to win. This isn't helping.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hav
(5,969 posts)but he was quoting her.
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kcr
(15,295 posts)If he does it in such a way that it misleads, it's still wrong. He compares her to himself and claims he isn't, giving the impression that they're very different. He doesn't want another lefty candidate playing in his sandbox, so he wants to imply that Warren isn't a lefty. The fact he used a direct quote in that implication doesn't make it ok, especially given how similar they are on policy.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MarcA
(2,195 posts)Looked several places, haven't found it. Anyone aware of the rest of her
remarks to the council? Understand it was from a year ago.
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Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(44,686 posts)both.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tblue37
(64,860 posts)knows it would.
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Skid Rogue
(711 posts)we're mostly capitalist who believe in a strong social safety net, investing in the health, education and welfare of all Americans, and taxing and regulating businesses to assure those things.
That sounds like Warren to me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMTexpat
(15,344 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TidalWave46
(2,061 posts)Just sucks when the shots come from a second tier candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,179 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(44,686 posts)Sen. Elizabeth Warren's recent remark that she is a "capitalist to my bones" is being treated as some kind of news, even though it is consistent with the policies and rhetoric the liberal Massachusetts senator has espoused for her entire career.
https://www.businessinsider.com/capitalist-elizabeth-warren-has-the-right-antidote-to-socialism-and-trumpism-2018-7
She has a lot of fans who agree with her. Over the last 15 years, as markets have repeatedly failed, the markets-first approach has become a political liability for Republicans and is increasingly discredited within the Democratic Party.
As a result, there is a now fashion for people on the left to call themselves "socialists" often while implicitly or explicitly supporting many of the markets-with-guardrails policies Warren herself favors.
You can even design the same policy platform from either of these approaches, calling it "capitalist" in one case and "socialist" in the other. This is how Warren and Sen. Bernie Sanders are not that far apart on policy, despite their very different rhetoric about capitalism.
But which direction you approach the policy from matters and if your system will continue to rely on private capital, as virtually every modern political platform claiming to be "socialism" does, it's to your advantage to place markets front and center, as Warren does, because you'll have to explain how you'll make those markets work well.
I don't see a problem with Bernie drawing that distinction. Liz is a capitalist, a darn good one. The whole article is a fascinating read.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
kcr
(15,295 posts)when he and Warren are very similar in their platforms. They're virtually identical. Whatever they call themselves, both of them have operated and governed well within the boundaries of our dual party system, beholden to capitalism. Sanders has a particularly long history. He can brand himself however he likes, but his attempts at distancing himself from Warren policy-wise are weak and transparent. If he actually campaigned on a true Socialist platform his career in US politics would have been very short.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(44,686 posts)He has never in his long career campaigned on a true Socialist platform. All of the candidates make a distinction between themselves and other candidates, that's important to do. And no, their platforms are not virtually identical.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
herding cats
(19,545 posts)I hope she has the good manners to take a moment and thank him. He just lifted her up and insulated her from many of the smears the GOP has been trying to lay on her.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(44,686 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
He helped her, as I said. Which more than likely wasn't his intention here. <--- Is that what you're asking?
Warren is in my top 3 tier, I'm fine with this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)Trying to help her win.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(25,063 posts)going to" fight the corporate elite's corruption.
Message heard by others: Yeah, she's, like, a capitalism professor and creator of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and has fought against corruption her whole career. Actions speak louder than words. If Warren becomes our nominee she'll get called a socialist by one side and a capitalist (can't reuse "Wall Street" this time) by another.
Warren says the system worked from 1935 to 1980 when it was regulated, but now powerful businesses pay lip service to capitalism but don't really believe in competitive markets: "I love competition. I want to see every start-up business, everybody who's got a good idea, have a chance to get in the market and try. ... Everything I'm working on is about giving individuals the opportunity, the liberty to participate in this economy and in the governance of country. I love this stuff. Isn't this stuff fun?"
It's why people from all over the world used to want to come to America! Thanks, Republicans, for ruining our country.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,543 posts)he's a socialist?
Progressives are those who Get Progress for their People.. President Obama is a Progressive who has gotten more done for the People of the USA than anyone who just talks about it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,063 posts)I see capitalist-as-an-insult popping up more and more often as Warren rises in the polls. It's pretty funny, thinking it's a bad thing and people shouldn't vote for an American politician who says she's a capitalist. Obviously Bernie has no interest in potential voters outside of his base.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,543 posts)long time.
Thank you.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,063 posts)"I'm a grassroots capitalist." Works for others. Having a fundraiser? Call it a "grassroots fundraiser" and suddenly it isn't bad and corrupting like all the other fundraisers!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,543 posts)munching on "canapés behind closed doors"
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betsuni
(25,063 posts)Either "They tried to seduce us with donuts and water" in public or the seduction behind closed doors with swanky canapes. "They will stop at nothing to defeat us."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
swag
(26,480 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Baclava
(12,047 posts)Oh Bern, you 1%er you, lol, your game is up, relax and retire at one of your summer houses on the water, stress isn't good for you
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democratisphere
(17,235 posts)is NOW a member of?!
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kennetha
(3,666 posts)All the obfuscation there has been in this issue mostly by Bernie and Bernies followers. Bernie and Bernies people keep trying to blur the meaning of socialism by equating socialism with so-called democratic socialism but then point to social democracies of Europe as exemplars. But social democracy is not a form of socialism. It doesnt call for socializing the means of production the way socialism does. Indeed every single European social democracy has a robust private/ corporate sector and relies on free but regulated markets to provide most goods ... thats capitalism to its bones. But Bernie and his followers cant and wont admit that. They are trying to turn capitalism into a swear word, rather than making nuanced but important distinctions among different ways of implementing capitalism.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PETRUS
(3,678 posts)Decades of cold-war propaganda have a lot to do with it. Watching one group of people argue that the Nordic states are capitalist, and another group argue that they are socialist is like watching one group of people insist that the image below is green, and another group of people insisting that it is yellow.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DrFunkenstein
(8,745 posts)And he had the trust and good will of the people because they saw that he was working for the people and doing his best to give the big "robber barons" of the country's gilded age a swift kick in the nuts.
A free market is not free if the biggest predators are writing the rules with a boot on the neck of competition. That's a rigged system. Warren wants to promote a fair competition, which is something that even regular Americans get.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Beringia
(4,313 posts)Link to tweet
wideofthepost
Harry Reid tells David Axelrod that he doesnt think Elizabeth Warren will follow through on Medicare for All.
Give her some time, I think that shes not in love with that, I think that she, youll wait and see how that all turns out... oh I know shes pragmatic, just wait
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)Warren to Bernie, thanks!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Joe941
(2,848 posts)He is making a good case for himself.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided