Joe Biden Just Showed Exactly Why Trump Is So Afraid Of Him

[guillaumeb]

From the article:

Biden said, “No president in American history has ever dared to engage in such unimaginable behavior. Donald Trump has violated his oath of office, betrayed this nation, and committed impeachable acts. We all laughed when he said he could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot someone and get away with it. It’s no joke. He’s shooting holes in the constitution and we cannot let him get away with it.

To read more:

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/10/09/joe-biden-trump-impeached.html

Trump is not alone, of course, in attempting to destroy the Constitution. He is helped in this by the complicit and compliant leadership of the GOP.

[Cha]

1. Mahalo, guillaumeb..

We Cannot!

[guillaumeb]

2. Agreed.

Sane and informed people realize what is being done, and what is at stake. And that essentially leaves out the entire GOP at this point.

[grantcart]

29. +1

[pangaia]

3. i wish dems would take up the REPUBLICANS ARE RESPONSIBLE chant !!!

REPUBLICANS ARE RESPONSIBLE
REPUBLICANS ARE RESPONSIBLE
REPUBLICANS ARE RESPONSIBLE
REPUBLICANS ARE RESPONSIBLE
REPUBLICANS ARE RESPONSIBLE

pass it on

[guillaumeb]

5. And complicit.

As Elie Wiesel said, silence never benefits the victim. it only benefits the oppressor.


Silence is complicity.

[LakeArenal]

42. Yes... complicit.

[bucolic_frolic]

4. Our candidate must confront Trump just like this!

Joe Biden seems ready and at peace with what must be done.

[guillaumeb]

6. Agreed. And we should all be ready.

Impeachment can divide voters, but in the face of Trump's many crimes, it must be done.

[WheelWalker]

7. Trump took his best shot at Biden and Joe is still standing. Standing tall for America.

[emmaverybo]

12. Whatever are you talking about? Biden has been bringing the fight to Trump from his launch. He's

been the stand up guy taking the incoming from all sides and standing up for our elections. Eight
years as MVP in Obama’s administration and you are claiming we will end up having to protect Biden from HIMSELF?!

Would have been nice if ALL candidates had defended Biden—by name—when we learned Trump was attacking him and family as a way to meddle in our 2020 elections.

Whatever happens with the nomination, we can depend on Biden, one of the most respected
voices in our party, to be a unifier whether he personally wins or loses, and to continue to confront Trump on his own behalf and America’s.

[WheelWalker]

15. 100% agree. Joe is the tip of the spear that is piercing Trump to the heart.

Biden knows this isn't about him. It's bigger than any individual. It's about the Republic. Win or not win the nomination... Joe is on the front line in this fight.

[Thekaspervote]

22. This!

[yellowdogintexas]

31. Joe is in the best position to do this:

Respected and well liked. He also has no Fs left to give, it is his last hurrah and he is in it for the fight. I have always said that whether Joe ran or not, he would be the official attack dog of the campaign.

Personally, if Joe is the nominee I hope he will continue in this vein. He better pick a partner who is just as fierce (Elizabeth, perhaps?) Every single one of the Democratic candidates will be excellent surrogates throughout the campaign up to election regardless of who is the nominee.
Then they can be cabinet members!

[wnylib]

43. Agree and I'd go farther than that.

Biden was bringing the fight to Trump BEFORE his launch this year. Remember his speech at the 2016 Dem convention?

BTW, I'm a newly registered member of DU. I've been lurking for several months. Don't even know how to get to my profile page to fill it out. Any help on that would be welcome.

[emmaverybo]

44. Welcome! You are right. Right-hand top, to the right of your handle, see menu item "profile."

[Kurt V.]

8. It's reasonable to assume republicans don't like the republic. they have shitty policy

that only can be successful in a minority rule.

[guillaumeb]

9. And the GOP depends on voter suppression and criminal conspiracy

to "win" because their message and platform are based on class warfare and racism.

[thecrow]

10. Same shooter, different (Syrian) streets

[peggysue2]

13. Never Forget, Never Forgive

I won't. What Donald Trump and the Republicans have done is put our democratic Republic on the edge of an abyss. For political expediency, power and God knows what else.

They must be held accountable! They must be fully repudiated, crushed.

[guillaumeb]

14. Can GOP voters be made aware of what they did by voting for Trump?

And can they be made aware of what is at risk by allowing Trump to continue on this path?

[peggysue2]

28. Sadly, a lot of these voters are willing . . .

to ignore the damage or pretend it's not happening. Others are just plain brainwashed by Trump and his tough guy act and believe anything is worth making liberals pull their hair out. The remainder, the ones who can still think for themselves, are reachable.

It's been reported, for instance, that Trump has been losing Republican women in significant numbers. His cruelty to immigrant families; his crass, thoughtless remarks in general are not playing well with the women who originally voted for him. We can hope that will hold and expand as Trump continues to prove himself unfit and increasingly demented.

[guillaumeb]

32. Well said.

And we can hope that a majority of voters will not be willing to trust Trump with their votes.

[ecstatic]

16. +1000. nt

[warmfeet]

17. Joe is correct.

Time to take these fuckers down.

[azureblue]

19. joe lays it out plain

and calls it for what it is. And that is what Don is afraid of. Don's really a spineless bully

[bdamomma]

18. I was so glad

VP Biden came out swinging, he needs to be more vocal. But I found myself cheering and clapping while watching him on TV.

[guillaumeb]

23. He needs to be vocal, and dignified.

Trump is a loud, ignorant bully.

[Sloumeau]

20. Thanks for this posting, guillaumeb. Way to go, Joe!

[guillaumeb]

25. Welcome to DU, Sioumeau.

Biden presents a huge contrast to Trump's undignified behavior.

[LiberalFighter]

21. And they all need to be held accountable.

They can't be let off scott free just because Trump is gone.

[guillaumeb]

26. True, all of the enablers and silent supporters must be exposed

for who they are, and what they allowed to happen.

[Thekaspervote]

24. Biden makes me feel proud to be an American. Something I've been in short supply as of late

[guillaumeb]

27. We must remember that Trump represnts only Trump.

He is American by accident of birth, but he is alone on his sociopathic viewpoint.

[emmaverybo]

34. +1000!

[sheshe2]

30. No dignity, no honor among thieves.

Trump and his GOP enablers collectively shat on our Constitution and the American people.

[guillaumeb]

33. And one hopes that these fellow thieves will turn on him

if they see the anti-Trump/pro-impeachment numbers growing.

But we must remember that Trump is not an aberration, he is merely the most ignorant example of the current GOP politician. His positions, his racism, are their racism and positions. Trump is simply a cruder, unfiltered version of the GOP politician of 2019.

[iluvtennis]

35. Exactly spot on. nt

[FakeNoose]

36. Joe Biden is showing what he's made of

I love to see Joe throwing all of this in Chump's face. I believe every Dem candidate should do the same, and I'm glad Joe is setting this example. He's the man who can turn this thing around.

[bdamomma]

37. You never

know he could be channeling FDR

[NYMinute]

38. Great post K&R

[Scurrilous]

39. K&R

[Gothmog]

40. Opinion: Biden's words should be echoed by all debate participants

Link to tweet

Former vice president Joe Biden, speaking in New Hampshire on Wednesday, delivered a searing denunciation of President Trump. “The ballot box is sacred ground in America. That’s where we make our voices heard. That’s where we decide who leads us. … It’s not complicated. It’s called democracy. We believe Americans should decide American elections. Period,” he said. “But Donald Trump will do anything to get reelected, including violating the most basic forms of democracy. That’s stunning — and that’s dangerous — because it directly threatens our democracy.” He argued, “No president in American history has ever dared to engage in such unimaginable behavior. With his words and his actions, President Trump has indicted himself.”

As for the obstruction of Congress, expressed in an amateurish, angry letter from the White House counsel refusing to cooperate with congressional oversight and inquiry into impeachment, Biden said, “By obstructing justice and refusing to comply with the congressional inquiry, he’s already convicted himself. In full view of the world and the American people, Donald Trump has violated his oath of office, betrayed this nation and committed impeachable acts. To preserve our Constitution, our democracy and our basic integrity, he should be impeached.”

Biden made a key point, rebutting the nonsensical argument that we should just leave him in office for more than a year to commit more constitutional mayhem. “He believes the entire United States government can be corrupted into furthering his personal political needs,” Biden explained. “He is even willing to hold Congress and congressionally appropriated aid to a foreign nation hostage to his personal political demands. He believes if he does something, it’s legal.” Biden argued that Trump “believes there is nothing we can do about it. He believes he can and will get away with anything he does. We all laughed when he said he could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot someone and get away with it. It’s no joke. He is shooting holes in the Constitution. We cannot let him get away with it.”.....

Each and every candidate should refuse to entertain questions accusing Biden or his son of wrongdoing. The only acceptable answer is something along these lines: “The allegations are false and have been repeatedly debunked. Raising the issue gives into Trump’s false equivalence and abuse of objective reality.”

Asked if they would allow their own children to engage in business, they should direct the moderators and audience back to the regrettably underexamined corruption stemming from Trump’s daughter and son-in-law working in the White House while making millions. For that, the appropriate response is that “Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump should be subject to scrutiny for any violations of U.S. law, including the foreign bribery statutes, and held accountable to the full extent of the law.”

[guillaumeb]

47. This, in my view, is the essential part.

Each and every candidate should refuse to entertain questions accusing Biden or his son of wrongdoing. The only acceptable answer is something along these lines: “The allegations are false and have been repeatedly debunked. Raising the issue gives into Trump’s false equivalence and abuse of objective reality.”

And it is the US corporate controlled media that pushes this false equivalence, and that treats a lie as somehow worthy of discussion over nd over.

[emmaverybo]

51. +1000,000

[MasonDreams]

41. Did anyone else cringe when Biden said this?

We all laughed when etc ??? It was , in your face , pure evil. A sociopath or psychopaths declaration of his fantasy. Chilling and sick and definitely not a joke.
Biden should know some history. "No prez in history has ever dared" ??? How about Nixon ratfucking the peace talks in Paris to get elected? 5+ more years of war in Vietnam killed how many? in the service of, and the victims of, his lust for power.
Bushy shrub dared to deceive US into bloodshed and how many? Probably millions because the flames are still burning and generations will hate US.
Drumpf is just a logical extension, because shrub is hanging with Ellen and not rotting in jail.
If Bush and Cheney's rotted heads were on pikes in front of the WH when he took office, he would have a little more respect for the Constitution.

[guillaumeb]

48. US history in general is a very sanitized version of what happened.

And as you noted, Trump did what Nixon, and Reagan, and Bush Senior did before him. And that is/was to deal with the enemy for political gain.

[emmaverybo]

54. He's talking about no president daring to speak in these terms, to openly declare his psychopathy,

to proudly and publicly dismiss genocide...of course he knows about presidents deceiving, dissembling, lying to the public. Who the heck do you think confronted the popular Reagan administration’s complicity with apartheid?

You are mixing up the idea of other presidents committing horrible crimes with a president telling America he is and will continue and that no one will stop him.

You are quibbling. Bernie has his chance to nail Trump as soundly and profoundly as has Biden again and again and to define what’s at stake as resonantly as has Biden—“a struggle for the soul
of America.” Maybe he yet will. So far he has been soap-boxing about his revolution. He hasn’t addressed America on Trump as Biden has at launch, in Iowa, in his speech on foreign policy, and now.

No one is stopping him. Take a break from your ideology, Bernie. Then people will quote YOU.

[Gothmog]

45. Joe Biden raising money using the mugshots.

Link to tweet

[DrFunkenstein]

46. Warren's Right: Trump is the Worst Symptom Of a Corrupt System - Biden's Proposals?

Trump is just the nastiest symptom of a thoroughly corrupt system of influence peddling.

So, I've been looking for Biden's anti-corruption proposals and/or speeches. I keep looking, but literally all I find are RW rags talking about Hunter Biden.

Can a Biden supporter send me a link? It'd make me feel a whole lot comfortable about stories of his big donor fundraisers, like the major one at the beginning of Biden's campaign hosted by a top Comcast executive who supervises the company's DC lobbying efforts but somehow isn't legally required to register as a lobbyist.

Apparently, Biden has collected more than $500,000 in donations from lobbyists over his 35-year political career, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics, and remains one of the top recipients of big money in the 2020 primary field.

I know that executives and employees of credit-card company MBNA contributed roughly $200,000 to Mr. Biden’s campaigns from 1989 to 2010, making the company his largest corporate donor during that time.

A link to his speeches and policies to stop Wall Street's influences would certainly ease my mind if I am going to get behind him. Thanks so much!

https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-solicits-big-money-wall-street-after-climate-town-hall-2019-9

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/31/us/politics/banking-ties-could-hurt-joe-biden-in-race-with-populist-overtone.html

[Peacetrain]

49. I love Sen Warren.. she does not have the skill set we need at this point in time

[guillaumeb]

50. This is an excellent question.

My opinion is that you might wish to post this as a separate post.

[DrFunkenstein]

52. Thanks for the suggestion

I'll probably have better luck finding a Biden supporter with a response.

[guillaumeb]

53. True.

I am remaining officially undecided. My goal at this point is to post positive news about our candidates.

[emmaverybo]

55. As you know, Warren is an anti-corruption crusader focused on big business and Wall St. That is

not Biden’s focus. He has sided with corporate interests when she has championed consumer rights. I admire and agree with many of Warren’s past stances, disagreeing with some of Biden’s.

I choose to support Biden in the primaries because his achievements are wider and in more diverse areas than hers, and do not support her because I feel her skill set is so much more limited than his. Likewise her interests, which are predominantly in the field of domestic economic policy.

Biden has foreign policy stature and experience she entirely lacks. He got into politics because of the civil rights movement and has been a dedicated supporter for decades. Civil rights has not been her primary issue. In fact, she has an uphill climb attracting the black electorate and is only
recently reaching out to black leaders.

I would love to see her take a role in shaping domestic economic policy in the government. She was an accomplished legislator and well-placed as America’s chief consumer protector. If she were not running against a man of Biden’s job-specific qualifications and depth of knowledge in world affairs, and if I found her inspirational and a potentially unifying leader, I would perhaps support her at this stage.

I can’t think of a thing she has said that reminds me of what America should and can be although I have her 99 percent message down pat. I would never think of her as able to heal our nation, uplift us as one. May she continue to go after corruption and to talk kitchen table issues. But I see
no reason to think she would make a better leader of a superpower, of the free world than Biden.

[DrFunkenstein]

57. I Never Realized That Biden Had Made Civil Rights So Central to His Campaign

I disagree with you, obviously, but that is a well-thought out stance. I did not realize that civil rights was a primary issue for Biden. I thought that his polling with AA voters in his two other national races was extremely weak, and that he got called out for suggesting that he was beating Obama with them until he got 0.9% of the vote in Iowa. All the polling I saw had him at a 3% ceiling, and 1% or less in most South Carolina polls. In all honesty, it seems like his AA support was always entirely contingent on being Obama's wingman, rather than the Delaware Senator who championed the crime bill and wouldn't allow corroborating witnesses for Anita Hill.

I tried Googling one of his civil rights speeches, but all I found was the speech he gave this summer after the brouhaha about working with segregationists and Kamala Harris's busing exchange. It defended everything from his busing vote to

As far as record, I did find out that he was on board for same-sex marriage earlier than a lot of establishment Democrats, which is commendable. A 60% rating from the ACLU is worrying, but a 100% rating from the NAACP seems a good sign.

For me, I see the influence of the moneyed elite controlling virtually every aspect of governance, which is why people's distrust of government is at an all-time high. I know you disagree, but I think we need someone who can actually take on "the swamp" and give people hope - not in a messiah figure, but in the idea that our democratic institutions work for the people.

I'm still a "This Land is Your Land" kind of person, and I can't think of a better person than Warren to return us to this fundamental idea. Woody wrote that at a time of obscene wealth, but even that period pales in comparison to the concentration of money and power today.

But if Biden is the nominee, despite my reservations, I'll be more than happy to vote for him. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot.

[emmaverybo]

58. No you did not realize. Might be I am older. These days I usually am. Just one thing--

S. C. Biden has 50 percent black voters to Warren at 8 percent.

And I will certainly vote blue no matter who,

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-biden-expands-lead-among-south-carolina-democrats

[Cha]

56. KICK!