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Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:58 AM

 

Interesting. House and Senate members' salaries wouldn't get the new payroll tax Warren proposes

because they fall in a donut hole, above where the current payroll tax for Social Security ends, but well below the $250,000 floor for the higher payroll tax she's proposing for the highest earners.

From Vox's article on her new proposal:

https://www.vox.com/2019/9/12/20860672/elizabeth-warrens-social-security-expansion


To address that, Warren is proposing a rather hefty tax increase on the top 2 percent or so of the population.

First, she wants to impose a 14.8 percent payroll tax (split evenly between workers and employers) on salaries above $250,000 a year. This would create a slightly odd program structure where the payroll tax phases out at $132,900 and then pops back into existence at $250,000. But the goal in creating that doughnut hole structure is to target the tax increase at the top 2 percent of American earners.
Second, she wants to also impose a 14.8 percent tax on the investment income of people earning over $250,000.



Emphasis added.

If she's serious about Social Security solvency, you'd think she'd just extend the current payroll tax rate from $132,900 to $250,000, where the higher rate she's proposing will kick in.

For one thing, I can imagine some public backlash if Congress votes for a plan which leaves their comparatively high slaries in a donut hole. Even if some in Congress might be more likely to vote for Warren's plan if it exempts some of their salary.

Warren's plan would also leave $117,100 of the president's $400,000 salary exempt from any payroll tax.

I think she should get rid of that donut hole.
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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 12:00 PM

1. I'm actually ok with that.

 

In some high cost of living areas $150,000 a year is not wealthy.
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Response to DrToast (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 12:02 PM

2. Don't you think it would be best to extend the current, lower payroll tax rate all the way up to

 

$250,000, where the higher rate kicks in?

Otherwise this is a tax break for those earning between $132,900 and $250,000, and the more they make in that range, the bigger a tax break it is.
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #2)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 12:14 PM

3. If you extended the Payroll tax up to $250,000, you wouldn't need her plan

 

You’d also be raising payroll taxes on some middle income Americans. This is why she’s proposing a donut hole and not just extending the payroll tax to $250k.

What she’s proposing is not unheard of. The ACA did something similar where it imposed a Medicare tax on income above $250k.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 12:15 PM

4. Nor would the multi-millionaire Warren fall under her Wealth Tax.

 

And, I have a hard time forgetting how she was against the ACA's relatively small medical device tax because medical device companies are big in her state.

Obama's idea that those who benefit from our for-profit healthcare system should help fund the ACA, didn't resonate with her, I guess.
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Response to Hoyt (Reply #4)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 12:16 PM

5. Now this is a fair critique.

 

Warren, who has a plan for everything, won’t disclose what she thinks income tax rates or capital gains taxes should be. How come?
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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 12:30 PM

6. I don't understand the rationale between not changing the payroll tax between $132K and $250K....

 

...Why not just extend the payroll tax all the way up to $250K and THEN add the increased tax?
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Response to George II (Reply #6)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 12:33 PM

7. You don't need both

 

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Response to DrToast (Reply #7)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 12:38 PM

9. What I'm saying is that everyone pays the payroll tax up to $132K, then it's capped...

 

We should just remove the cap from $132 to $250, then impose the increased payroll tax.

And we have to keep in mind now it's a "payroll" tax, not an income based tax. So businesses will manipulate their "pay" and their "income" to minimize the tax they pay.

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Response to George II (Reply #9)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 12:44 PM

10. That's an option...

 

But $250k has been the cutoff point for Dems on raising taxes since Obama. It’s been used to blunt Republicans trying to scare voters that “Democrats want to raise your taxes!” And honestly, I think it’s been pretty effective at countering that narrative.
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Response to DrToast (Reply #10)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 01:00 PM

12. But in this case the tax is already being paid on income below $132,900. All Warren's plan does is

 

give a large (percentage-wise) tax break to everyone with any part of their income between $132,900 and $250,000.
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Response to George II (Reply #6)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 12:36 PM

8. I don't believe most people will understand it, and it will backfire, especially if Congress tries

 

to pass it and automatically exempts some of their own income.

I'm amazed Warren would even consider leaving that donut hole.
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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 12:58 PM

11. k&r nt

 

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