Biden will be the nominee

Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 07:43 AM

UncleTomsEvilBrother (922 posts)

1. I think you are right, but...

...I also think there's an outside chance that he chooses Eric Holder. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to UncleTomsEvilBrother (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 07:49 AM

redstatebluegirl (12,114 posts)

4. I heard that at a party meeting a month or so ago.

Eric Holder would be a fabulous choice for VP. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #4)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 09:08 AM

Demsrule86 (65,341 posts)

64. He would be a great choice...hadn't thought of him.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to UncleTomsEvilBrother (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 07:54 AM

samnsara (16,807 posts)

6. wow that would be great too!

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to UncleTomsEvilBrother (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 12:12 PM

woodsprite (11,375 posts)

31. Oooh, hadn't heard that possibility! That would be good as well. nt

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to woodsprite (Reply #31)

Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:48 AM

Thekaspervote (28,603 posts)

114. Eric holder would be great... I really like Susan Rice as well.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to UncleTomsEvilBrother (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 08:31 AM

crazytown (7,277 posts)

63. Eric Holder

of the DOJ that let the 'too big to jail' Wall Street execs skip free? Well, that would be a signal and a half wouldn't it? If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to crazytown (Reply #63)

Sat Sep 7, 2019, 10:50 AM

SMC22307 (8,037 posts)

84. Yep. Not to mention "Fast and Furious"... let's just hand the election to Trump.

His voters won't sweat the details, but that will be the equivalent of "but her emails!". NO ERIC HOLDER. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 07:47 AM

vsrazdem (2,144 posts)

2. I think it will be Warren as the nominee.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #2)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 03:39 PM

redstateblues (10,554 posts)

58. She has to show she can win the rust belt. Right now she's tied with Trump-Biden is up 9

https://www.cbs58.com/news/biden-leads-trump-by-9-points-in-wisconsin-mu-law-poll If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #2)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 09:10 AM

Demsrule86 (65,341 posts)

65. No, it won't. She isn't winning the AA community and should they move it will be for

Kamala...who is more to the center...I doubt they will move. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #65)

Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:47 AM

Thekaspervote (28,603 posts)

113. This!!

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #113)

Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:24 PM

Demsrule86 (65,341 posts)

118. This is not the same as Obama/ Clinton in 08...Obama was liked by AA community...they

just wanted to make sure he could win...they liked the Clinton also...Obama didn't have to win AA voters he just had to reassure them. They already liked him and supported his policy plans. This is not true for Warren. First of all,she is a woman and AA know only to well about the sexism prevalent in our society so they have to be convinced she can win, but she also has to get them to support her left leaning policies like MFA and then like her...I don't see that happening. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #2)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 09:41 AM

iwannaknow (210 posts)

69. Let's wait til we get a few primaries under our belt

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to iwannaknow (Reply #69)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 09:59 AM

vsrazdem (2,144 posts)

70. Probably just wishful thinking.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #2)

Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:41 PM

ElementaryPenguin (7,798 posts)

123. I don't think declaring she'll shut down Facebook is going to help her politically.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 07:49 AM

Sherman A1 (38,958 posts)

3. Perhaps

but it is far too early to know or really even guess. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 07:54 AM

samnsara (16,807 posts)

5. i dont think he will pick Stacey..and Im not sure he will pick Warren either..

..theres too much daylight between their health care proposals. I always thought a Biden/Harris ticket was my dream team but not any more. Frankly I would like Amy to be veep. I like her a lot. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to samnsara (Reply #5)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 07:58 AM

highplainsdem (42,045 posts)

8. Why don't you think he'll pick Stacey Abrams?

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #8)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 12:22 PM

Hortensis (55,021 posts)

36. I don't either. Stacey was a member of GA's house,

including as the permanently minority Democratic caucus's leader for a while. Then she ran for governor and became famous for being the object of blatant election theft. That's not exactly the same as being governor and bringing that experience with her. She's a famous black woman, but to me that seems to be a very slim resume for someone who'd not only have to play a significant role in winning the election but be first in succession to a president in his 70s. Plus, Biden wants the same kind of relationship he and Obama had. He and Stacey may like what they've seen of each other briefly, but they aren't old friends and they've never worked together. To my mind there's just no reason to zero on her and ignore all of the many other names that might be on his private short list. Btw, something like 10% of GA's black men who voted for Obama did not vote for Stacey to become GA's first black governor. Whatever their individual thinking, as a group the effect was to choose for a white male Republican enemy as their governor over a black liberal Democratic woman. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #36)

Sat Sep 7, 2019, 10:00 AM

Merlot (9,359 posts)

77. My guess is that Biden will pick a guy like Bullock

with the excuse that "he wins in red states" and is a centrist candidate. If this happens as I think, it will dissapoint and demoralize a large wing of the democratic party. While they will still vote for Biden, they won't be doing it with any enthusiasm. I like Abrams a lot (notice I didn't call her Stacy while calling all the men by their last names...) but I don't think she's going to be the VP nomination. Right now she's being very effective as a voting access activist, she's got a great political future. Call me cynical, but that meeting between Biden and Abrams seemed like nothing more than Bidens signaling something that he would not follow through with. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Merlot (Reply #77)

Sat Sep 7, 2019, 11:30 AM

Hortensis (55,021 posts)

85. I doubt it. He has too many good possibilities who won't disappoint.

I wouldn't call you cynical. Instead, I suspect your political preferences are driving how you want to believe Biden is thinking. No matter who any of our possible nominees might choose as a running mate, we can be sure some people will be disappointed in either and/or both. So what? Big pffft! to the defeatist, media-fed delusion that a candidate should be able to generate enthusiasm in 100 million people. This is the real world with real people. What matters are trust and confidence that the choice is one that should be supported. As for the VP, it's easy for political groupies to lose track during primary season of the reality that most people, including ultimately most of them, don't care all that much about who the running mate is, only that he or she help The Candidate win. Even a majority of AAs, determined to keep fighting their way forward and to grab every opportunity to do so, seem most concerned with getting a Democratic president elected this time. I agree about taking care with names. I slipped and called her Stacey because I'm from GA and we often call her Stacey, or at one time "one of the Staceys." She also stands alone, not as one of our Democratic candidates, all of whom I usually also call by their surnames. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Merlot (Reply #77)

Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:55 AM

onetexan (11,631 posts)

102. With GA having 2 senate seats open i say Stacy should run for one of them

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to onetexan (Reply #102)

Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:53 AM

Thekaspervote (28,603 posts)

115. This... Stacy has a very bright future. She should continue to seek higher office. If not in GA

Then maybe move to a state that would give her a better chance. Hey Stacy we have a great new dem gov here in Illinois...lots of possibilities here If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to onetexan (Reply #102)

Fri Sep 20, 2019, 06:05 AM

Funtatlaguy (10,324 posts)

117. She wants to be Governor. She doesn't want Senate.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Merlot (Reply #77)

Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:05 AM

onetexan (11,631 posts)

105. Agree re: Abrams. She shld run for senate. VEEP pick shld be Beto.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to samnsara (Reply #5)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 12:06 PM

MontanaFarmer (617 posts)

27. Oh i don't think Harris is off the table at all.

Primary skirmishes are just that. Easy to forget now, but Hillary and Obama were pretty contentious in 2008, then became strong allies. Joe once upon a time said Obama was too young and naive in 2008; now listen to him gush. My point is that if it's Harris that gives him the best chance to win (I'd love her or Amy klobuchar), she'll be on the ticket. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to MontanaFarmer (Reply #27)

Sat Sep 7, 2019, 12:39 PM

Gothmog (124,246 posts)

87. I like the concept of Biden/Harris ticket

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #87)

Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:39 PM

ElementaryPenguin (7,798 posts)

122. I used to like it - until she attacked him.

Doesn't Biden poll higher with black voters than Kamala does? If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to samnsara (Reply #5)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 12:19 PM

WheelWalker (8,417 posts)

34. I really like Amy, as well. My money for a Biden running mate is still Susan Rice, however.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to WheelWalker (Reply #34)

Sat Sep 7, 2019, 02:50 PM

Celerity (34,233 posts)

90. Picking Rice instantly tosses the Benghazi stinkbomb out into the arena

even though it is a bullshit RW meme. I do not see risk-adverse Biden going there. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to samnsara (Reply #5)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 06:01 PM

Tarheel_Dem (31,122 posts)

60. Like you, I once dreamed of a Biden/Harris ticket, and like you, I don't really want that anymore.

I never thought of Amy before, but I think they'd be great partners. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to samnsara (Reply #5)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 09:11 AM

Demsrule86 (65,341 posts)

66. I wouldn't pick Warren...we lose Senate seat potentially and what does she bring geographically in

the states we need? He needs to consider the South, the Mid West and maybe Texas. I heard a suggestion...Tammy Duckworth...she is great too. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #66)

Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:58 AM

onetexan (11,631 posts)

103. Biden/Beto would help win TX

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to onetexan (Reply #103)

Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:25 PM

Demsrule86 (65,341 posts)

119. I like that combination but can Beto win Texas?

I like Tammy Duckworth a great deal too...she is a hero and a new Mom... If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #119)

Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:33 PM

onetexan (11,631 posts)

120. The polls are showing Beto doing well in Tx and he's very popular here

I believe its possible. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to onetexan (Reply #103)

Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:37 PM

ElementaryPenguin (7,798 posts)

121. I agree. I'm betting Biden/Beto will end up being the ticket.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to samnsara (Reply #5)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 08:53 PM

dflprincess (27,305 posts)

99. If Joe, Bernie, or Elizabeth is the nominee

they need to pick someone younger for the VP slot. Two seventy somethings on the ballot just isn't going to work. (And I'll be 70 in 4 years, so don't jump me about that). Besides, if Elizabeth isn't at the top of the ticket, I'd rather she stay in the Senate where she can fight for what she believes in rather than being stuck singing back up. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 07:54 AM

Ninga (8,002 posts)

7. I do not agree. It's way too early to determine who the nominee will be. The primary

process is a grind, and with such a large field, the ultimate nominee will have run the marathon. All bets are off in comparison to 2016 and other past elections. We do not even know for certain, if the cretinous mess will be the GOP nominee. Voters are paying attention much earlier in the primary process. It’s a wait and see. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Ninga (Reply #7)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 01:33 PM

MBS (9,688 posts)

48. I totally agree that "All bets are off in comparison to 2016 and other past elections."

It's WAY too early to predict the nominee, not to mention VP picks, given the number of nominees and the volatile state of our society right now. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to MBS (Reply #48)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 01:52 PM

True Dough (14,717 posts)

53. Waaaaaaaaaaaaay too early!

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! ^^^^^^^^ If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to True Dough (Reply #53)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 02:16 PM

MBS (9,688 posts)

57. Agreed!!!

All these predictions remind me of forecasters trying to predict the path and intensity of Dorian last week, when it was still forming. At that early point, One meteorologist said, “Anyone who tells you they know exactly what’s going to happen next is lying.” Or are simply wrong. This election strikes me as less predictable even than hurricanes. In both cases, you know they’re coming. But as for the detailed outcome, you just won’t know until shortly before it arrives. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to evertonfc (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 07:59 AM

InAbLuEsTaTe (23,816 posts)

9. We need a progressive visionary... not a moderate incrimentalist if we want to guarantee defeating

the tRumpster fire occupying the White House. Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!! Either way, welcome to the revolution!!! If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #9)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 08:04 AM

LincolnRossiter (560 posts)

10. Biden is the best choice for (1) defeating Trump and (2) pursuing actual workable policies that

reverse the damage Trump’s caused. We need a progressive visionary... not a moderate incrimentalist if we want to guarantee defeating Nah If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to LincolnRossiter (Reply #10)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 11:59 AM

oasis (48,699 posts)

24. 100%

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Thu Sep 5, 2019, 12:04 PM

empedocles (15,751 posts)

26. A progressive visionary greatly increases the chances of a 'con win.

Just ask the Dem 2018 flippers, who seized control of the House for the Dems If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Thu Sep 5, 2019, 12:29 PM

LincolnRossiter (560 posts)

37. Kennedy was more conservative than Biden is. He was a pragmatic liberal, like Biden.

Bobby was the Warren equivalent. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Thu Sep 5, 2019, 12:59 PM

LincolnRossiter (560 posts)

44. Kennedy pushed a huge tax cut through, slow walked civil rights when necessary to placate

the racist half of his party, was an ardent free-trader, was a strident anti-communist who stood down the Soviets at every turn and blockaded their Cuban allies, escalated our involvement in Vietnam, appointed a justice who dissented on Roe v. Wade, attempted to rein-in non-military or NASA spending, supported oil and gas exploration, and generally governed non-ideologically (except as an anti-communist). Kennedy was not considered a raging liberal in his day on any issue save race. And he even took a measured (some think too measured) approach on that issue. He certainly wouldn't be considered liberal in today’s Democratic Party. And he’d certainly be to the right of Biden. I admire Kennedy for his vision and boldness relative to his times. But he was not a 50s-60s version of Warren or Sanders. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to LincolnRossiter (Reply #10)

Sat Sep 7, 2019, 12:40 PM

Gothmog (124,246 posts)

88. Biden was at his most focused when he was fighting against the ravages of Trump.

Link to tweet If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #9)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 08:13 AM

McKim (2,273 posts)

11. We need a candidate that appeals to young voters.

We need a candidate that appeals to young voters. The Left is growing in the US and progressive ideas are becoming a common consensus in the public sphere. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to McKim (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 08:35 AM

OKNancy (41,832 posts)

16. From an article I just read:

It's an iron fact that a vote cast with gusto counts no more than a vote made with detachment. Furthermore, a 23-year-old's vote punches at no greater weight than a 73-year-old's. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/09/05/curb_your_enthusiasms_bidens_the_one_141172.html If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to McKim (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 08:52 AM

highplainsdem (42,045 posts)

17. We need a candidate who appeals to reliable voters, and who can win the electoral college.

Democrats who describe themselves as "very liberal" are still a minority of the party, and Biden leads with those who describe themselves as "somewhat liberal" or "moderate" Democrats. (And IMO even moderate Democrats are actually liberal, just not as far left as "very liberal" Dems.) If we nominate a candidate who's on the far left of the party, it's possible we can run up popular-vote totals in states that are already Democratic strongholds that would vote for a nominee who isn't that far left, and then lose the electoral college by a margin wider than in 2016. Telling ourselves "Well, at least our nominee was a true progressive!" will be cold comfort the day after election day next year, if Trump is re-elected. And even if we managed somehow to get a far-left Democrat into the White House, you still have to get legislation through Congress. Biden was able to talk a few Republican senators into supporting the stimulus bill in 2009. He managed that even though McConnell was doing his best to block it and keep Republican senators from going along with anything Obama wanted. It wouldn't have passed without their support. And he was able to talk one of those Republican senators, Arlen Specter, into switching parties and becoming a Democrat, giving us the 60 votes we needed to pass the ACA without a single Republican vote. https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287262162 Biden opponents have argued that he couldn't do that now because Republicans are more extreme. But they were determined to block Obama from day one, and Biden still got around them. And if GOP lawmakers are so extreme Biden couldn't get any cooperation from them now, there's very little chance a more leftwing Democrat could. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #17)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 11:31 AM

peggysue2 (9,580 posts)

19. That's it, right there in one sentence

Telling ourselves "Well, at least our nominee was a true progressive!" will be cold comfort the day after election day next year, if Trump is re-elected. We need our eyes on the prize. And the prize is kicking Trump and his enablers to the curb and fully repudiating Trump and Trumpism. Which is why choosing a candidate with the widest appeal and reach is so important for 2020. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #17)

Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:14 AM

onetexan (11,631 posts)

106. Great points

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to McKim (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 09:03 AM

qazplm135 (7,422 posts)

18. I mean I don't want Biden either but

the reality is appealing to young voters does what? They don't vote. They never have. They never will. At their best they still don't equate to the levels of older voters. Every generation we say now THESE young kids, they are the ones that will break the pattern. And then, they don't. Again. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #18)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 01:31 PM

emmaverybo (8,143 posts)

47. Well, can we talk? Maybe our party should think about appealing to older, reliable voters and stop

lop-sidedly courting the young vote. We laugh at 73 year olds at our peril. Baby boomers are a large demographic, diverse, and well engaged politically or engageable. Not a vote we should take for granted. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to emmaverybo (Reply #47)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 01:49 PM

qazplm135 (7,422 posts)

52. the problem with that approach

is that group is dying off and they are often so set in their ways that no progress happens. Sure, they vote, but what they vote for isn't always what needs to be done. The correct answer is to stop worrying about "appealing" to a particular set of voters. Voters will respond to authenticity. Just be authentic. Obama, Bill, Reagan, these were authentic candidates who were comfortable in their own skin. Different political philosophies, approaches and they appealed to different groups and coalitions, but they shared heightened authenticity. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #52)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 02:11 PM

emmaverybo (8,143 posts)

56. Good point. I amend. We should do outreach to the young as well as older voters. We must build

our party. Strong gun legislation platform is one way we appeal to younger voters. We should also be doing rural outreach, and as I suggested in a previous thread, outreach to neglected constituents, younger Asian-American and Pacific-Island-American voters. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to McKim (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 5, 2019, 12:17 PM

Amimnoch (4,558 posts)

33. 51% in right combination in PA, OH, WI,MI,FL, and AZ to get 270.

It's about the map! It's about the map! IT'S ABOUT THE MAP!!!! It doesn't matter if the candidate energizes the electorate in California.. or Oregon.. or Washington.. or New York.. or Illinois.. Sadly, the more this campaign season goes on, it also isn't looking like my state of Texas is going to be in play either.. 270 electoral college votes is what it takes. Have to energize enough to hit a >270 electoral votes by having >50% voting in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Florida, Arizona.. Enough states to get to that 270 number. I'd think we'd have it in our heads by now that popular vote does NOT necessarily equal a win! California, Oregon, Washington, New York etc... - whomever wins our primary will almost definitely get their electoral votes.. same with all the solid blue states. Alabama, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Nebraska etc.. Trump's got them.. not changing their electoral votes.. same with all the rest of the solid red states. Battleground states, and the candidate that will get them at least 1 vote over 50%.. What energizes THOSE voters to come out in force for OUR candidate.. That's what will win. Abrams would be a good choice, it could put Georgia's 16 EC votes into this crucial battleground column. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Thu Sep 5, 2019, 12:39 PM

Doremus (7,251 posts)

40. How did the moderate candidate do in the EC last time again?

Agree with your point. Energizing voters DOES matter in the states that matter. 80K voters who stayed home last time will attest. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Thu Sep 5, 2019, 06:02 PM

Demsrule86 (65,341 posts)

61. Apples and oranges ...not enough younguns turned out to make a difference...they rarely do

better appealing to likely voters. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sat Sep 7, 2019, 03:49 PM

lapucelle (14,897 posts)

91. Wait...what?

Based on the nominee's actual record, it appears that the blame lies with the lazy no shows and third party idiots who fell for a narrative pushed by entities working against the Democratic Party. They need to take responsibility and apologize for their part in putting Trump in the White House. Hopefully those folks won't be so easily played this time around. Hillary Clinton is a Hard-Core Liberal. https://www.ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm https://www.ontheissues.org/VoteMatch/candidate_map.asp?a1=1&a2=1&a3=1&a4=2&a9=1&a16=5&a10=5&a5=5&a7=4&a8=5&a14=1&a15=1&a17=4&a19=4&a18=3&a6=1&a20=4&a11=1&a12=4&a13=1&i1=1&i2=1&i3=1&i4=1&p=75&e=5&t=21 If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sat Sep 7, 2019, 07:35 PM

lapucelle (14,897 posts)

94. Shame on any voter who stayed home because they were fooled by phony narratives.

History will hold them accountable. I hold them in contempt, as I did in 2000. Hopefully the gullible and the lazy will not be played a third time. Joe Biden is a Hard-Core Liberal. http://www.issues2000.org/Joe_Biden.htm https://www.ontheissues.org/VoteMatch/candidate_map.asp?a1=2&a2=2&a3=1&a4=4&a9=1&a16=4&a10=4&a5=5&a7=4&a8=5&a14=1&a15=1&a17=4&a19=5&a18=4&a6=1&a20=2&a11=1&a12=2&a13=1&i1=1&i2=1&i3=1&i4=1&p=80&e=10&t=21 If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Fri Sep 20, 2019, 03:52 PM

Demsrule86 (65,341 posts)

124. Energizing voters is overrated...you have to field the right canididate and those who didn't

get the person they wanted need to vote blue no matter who...put on their big boy and girl pants. No matter who runs as a Dem, they are always better than the Pug alternative...so get out their and vote period. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Thu Sep 5, 2019, 12:30 PM

LincolnRossiter (560 posts)

38. The next time the "young vote" wins an election will be the first.

NT. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sat Sep 7, 2019, 10:08 AM

wasupaloopa (4,516 posts)

80. Young voters are usually one interest voters who don't show up

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:01 AM

onetexan (11,631 posts)

104. Tacking on Beto, Harris or Butigieg will take care of that problrm

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Thu Sep 5, 2019, 08:18 AM

beastie boy (5,299 posts)

12. Couldn't disagree with you more.

We need a moderate incrementalist with a long and proven record of accomplishment, and not a progressive visionary with zero record of accomplishment! If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Thu Sep 5, 2019, 12:41 PM

Doremus (7,251 posts)

41. Care to share a moderate's (any moderate) 'long and proven record of accomplishment'?

Genuine question. Thanks. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Thu Sep 5, 2019, 05:35 PM

beastie boy (5,299 posts)

59. Take Biden (who is the most moderate candidaterunning), and Obama.

Getting the country out of recession, saving America's financial system, reducing national deficit by half, reducing unemployment by half, saving the US auto industry, Obamacare... need I go on? You DO think Obama and Biden are moderate incrementalists, don't you? And this is just a shortened record of what a couple of moderate incrementalists had accomplished together. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Thu Sep 5, 2019, 08:18 AM

ginnyinWI (17,276 posts)

13. I would like our progressive visionaries to

Stay in the Senate or House and give us many years of excellent work. The executive branch can oversee it, manage and prioritize. The presidency should be more of that, and less a one man government like it’s been turning into. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Thu Sep 5, 2019, 08:24 AM

griffi94 (3,581 posts)

14. That's my position as well

The primaries are the time to support the candidate closest to you on issues. In the general I'll happily vote for our nominee but until then I'm supporting who I most agree with on issues. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Thu Sep 5, 2019, 11:32 AM

BannonsLiver (14,680 posts)

20. Well that's not Bernie

Though I suspect you have probably figured that out by now. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Thu Sep 5, 2019, 11:56 AM

Amishman (5,267 posts)

23. Best chance at defeating Trump? That is Biden.

Poll after poll shows it. DU is not a good representation of the electorate. Trump's extremism has alienated independents and moderates, Biden gathers those in which is why he polls so well head to head with the orange idiot If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Thu Sep 5, 2019, 12:09 PM

OhZone (3,198 posts)

29. Has a Democratic "progressive visionary" -

Ever won? Maybe Woodrow Wilson? Wasn't FDR considered moderate at first? If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Thu Sep 5, 2019, 01:38 PM

emmaverybo (8,143 posts)

49. He was. Outside agitation and events put the pressure on him. They (capitalists) didn't want to

lose labor to communism. Unfortunately, FDR also brought us Japanese internment camps, an immigration policy that turned down hundreds of thousands Jews pre-holocaust, and was not only anti-Semitic but a white supremacist as well. You could sure say he was moderate. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Thu Sep 5, 2019, 12:56 PM

stonecutter357 (12,459 posts)

43. Biden is the only progressive visionary in the race ......

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Thu Sep 5, 2019, 01:44 PM

emmaverybo (8,143 posts)

50. He's the only one to have articulated a real vision for uniting Americans, to have defined the terms

of the upcoming election as “a struggle for the soul of America,” and to have reminded us what that America is and who we are in it. Joe Biden reminded all of us of what a presidential president would sound like by Jonathan Capeheart Snip——————————from Capeheart What gave Biden’s address more power was that it wasn’t just a harangue against Trump. It was a reminder of who we are as a nation, “the soul of America,” as he called it. Snip—————————-from Biden.speech as quoted by Capeheart What this president doesn’t understand is that unlike every other nation on earth, we're unable to define what constitutes "American" by religion, by ethnicity, or by tribe; you can't do it. America is an idea. An idea stronger than any army, bigger than any ocean, more powerful than any dictator or tyrant. It gives hope to the most desperate people on earth…. The most powerful idea in the history of the world I think beats in the hearts of the people of this country. And it beats in all of us. No matter your race, your ethnicity. No matter your gender identity, your sexual orientation. No matter your faith. It beats in the heart of rich and poor alike. It unites America -- whether your ancestors were Native to these shores or they were brought here forcibly and enslaved, whether they were immigrants generations back, like my family from Ireland, or those coming today looking to build a better life for your family. The American creed – that we are all created equal –was written long-ago. But the genius of every generation of Americans has opened it wider and wider and wider, to include those who have been excluded in a previous generation. That’s why it has never gathered dust in the history books. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/08/07/joe-biden-reminded-all-us-what-presidential-president-would-sound-like/ If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:19 AM

onetexan (11,631 posts)

108. Excellent post

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Thu Sep 5, 2019, 01:23 PM

emmaverybo (8,143 posts)

46. Who is WE? Bernie not my idea of a visionary anyway. More old school revolutionary ala white male

campus protestors circa 1968. Maybe start-ups need visionaries. Politics and governance a little more pragmatic. Oh, and we are a leading superpower among superpowers, navigating perilous waters at this time in history. Does the visionary have any foreign policy interests, knowledge, experience or will he just be spreading revolution around? If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Fri Sep 6, 2019, 09:12 AM

Demsrule86 (65,341 posts)

67. No we don't. We need to win three states in the Mid West...and left won't cut it this year.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:16 AM

emmaverybo (8,143 posts)

107. Democratic voters in the primary will decide who they need.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Thu Sep 5, 2019, 08:27 AM

Demsrule86 (65,341 posts)

15. I agree with you and Stacey would be a great pick...she is amazing.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Thu Sep 5, 2019, 11:33 AM

BannonsLiver (14,680 posts)

21. I'd pick Tammy Duckworth

Much stronger credentials than Abrams. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Thu Sep 5, 2019, 11:36 AM

Demsrule86 (65,341 posts)

22. I love Tammy...and a baby in the VP house too!

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sat Sep 7, 2019, 10:28 AM

pinkstarburst (834 posts)

82. I like her, too

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Thu Sep 5, 2019, 12:00 PM

Autumn (42,280 posts)

25. I don't think so.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Thu Sep 5, 2019, 12:06 PM

cwydro (48,496 posts)

28. Bookmarked.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Thu Sep 5, 2019, 12:42 PM

Gothmog (124,246 posts)

42. Here is why I like Joe

Link to tweet If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:29 AM

emmaverybo (8,143 posts)

109. Joe didn't discover the evils of white supremacy yesterday. He's been long concerned on a global

basis. Way back, he confronted the Reagan administration about South Africa’s system of apartheid. Out of the gate, he defined one of the key missions he is running on—to, as he said, send white supremacists and neo-Nazis back under their rocks. To do this, he calls for unity around our shared democratic ideals and as Jonathan Capeheart wrote about his Iowa speech, “reminds us of who we are” without ignoring existing injustices. These can not be addressed by big, bold economic policy aspirations alone. Joe calls us to our better angels. We have to have the heart, not just a plan for every pot. Biden leads with heart, always has and always will. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Thu Sep 5, 2019, 01:08 PM

LincolnRossiter (560 posts)

45. Probably. To me it all depends upon his performance in the early contests. He doesn't need to win

Last edited Thu Sep 5, 2019, 01:46 PM - Edit history (1) Iowa and NH, but he can’t afford to be blown out either. A top two finish in Iowa and a top three strong showing in NH would set him up nicely for SC and NV where demographics are much more favorable to him. If he wins both of those (and he does need to win SC) he takes a good narrative and a head of steam into Super Tuesday. Of course if he wins Iowa I think it’s pretty much all over. Expectations won’t be too high in NH because the other two leading candidates have huge advantages there. So as long as he finishes behind only them he’s in the catbird seat. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Thu Sep 5, 2019, 01:45 PM

NYMinute (3,256 posts)

51. K&R nt

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Thu Sep 5, 2019, 01:57 PM

Farmer-Rick (8,053 posts)

54. I don't trust predictions ever since the Russians got into our votes

Hillary was the enivitable winner before Traitor Trump won. Don't forget the little man in Russia. He gets a vote too. And it's bigger than yours. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Thu Sep 5, 2019, 02:06 PM

Iliyah (25,111 posts)

55. That pertains to anyone who wins the

Democratic Nominee. Also, whoever wins, the Republicans alongwith corporate media, hate radio, and general RWers will come out swinging in full force wherein majority of the bashing and attacks will be fake and false. To ad more unfavorable attacks will be from the far left, especially when their preferred candidate(s) doesn't win. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Fri Sep 6, 2019, 08:24 AM

Farmer-Rick (8,053 posts)

62. I think Russia has a bigger impact on our elections than

Those others. And they are going to have a huge impact. Yes, of course anyone who wins the primary will have a problem. But last time around, Russia started meddling by spreading Putin's stolen wealth around to different primary candidates. Putin didn't wait for the general election to start meddling. He's doing it now. But you know, the FBI can't t act to protect the country from foreign influence thanks to the Roberts Court, Traitor Trump administration, the broken voting system that the GOP set up and American capitalist kings who are busily stealing vast amounts of our national wealth. Then also they have their fingers in the GOP, every media from radio to Twitter to facebook to TV. And they have traitors in campaigns feeding them info. This election won't be what everyone thinks. This election will be fully Putin vs the American people. Right now all the power structure is aligned to give Putin the win. But maybe the American people will wake up and act.....maybe. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Fri Sep 6, 2019, 09:19 AM

myohmy2 (3,012 posts)

68. not so fast...

...we're 5 months away from even beginning the process... ...I think most Dems want to keep their options open, keep their powder dry, take the high road and see what happens... ...we have many excellent candidates to chose from this time around and anything can happen... ...a week can be an eternity in national politics...things will look a lot different a year from now... https://berniesanders.com/issues/ ... If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Fri Sep 6, 2019, 03:58 PM

Gothmog (124,246 posts)

71. We all have a responsibility to stand up and speak out when we see abuse of power

Link to tweet If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Fri Sep 6, 2019, 07:28 PM

Andy823 (11,475 posts)

72. Another hit and run post nt

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Sat Sep 7, 2019, 09:36 AM

elocs (21,735 posts)

73. "Biden will be the nominee"

Then let's dispense with all of these pesky debates and primaries and caucuses and get on with it and get behind him 100%. Well, maybe not. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sat Sep 7, 2019, 09:40 AM

Autumn (42,280 posts)

74. Okay. Do we cancel the primary and just appoint him and should we now start vetting Ms. Abrams?

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Sat Sep 7, 2019, 09:43 AM

DrFunkenstein (8,745 posts)

75. Wes Clark Was Frontrunner in Sept, Clinton Had a 18+ Lead in Late Dec 2007

The Dec. 14-16, 2007, poll shows that Clinton continues to have a large lead over her competitors, with 45% of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents saying they support her for the nomination. Twenty-seven percent of Democrats support Obama and 15% support Edwards. Sen. Joe Biden (3%), Gov. Bill Richardson (2%), and Rep. Dennis Kucinich (2%) are well behind in what has pretty much been a three-person race the entire campaign. https://news.gallup.com/poll/103351/clinton-maintains-large-lead-over-obama-nationally.aspx If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Sat Sep 7, 2019, 09:57 AM

Firestorm49 (3,476 posts)

76. I'm not a Biden fan, but I also believe that he'll get the nomination.

I only hope that he chooses one of the female candidates as his running mate. We need a strong candidate, and I’m afraid that Joe is too old school. As much as I hate Trump, we need a pit bull in there to counter the guggernaugt that Republicans have created over the past years. The DU post yesterday about the deceased Republican strategist showed how intense and planned the Republican Party has become. I’d be thrilled if the Democratic Party had such a strategy. Perhaps they do, and it’s kept private. One can only hope, but it seems that Republicans are more on top of their game than we are in terms of long term goals. I’ll vote for Joe if he’s the nominee, but I think we can do better. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sat Sep 7, 2019, 10:02 AM

wasupaloopa (4,516 posts)

78. Nobody knows who the nominee will be. Anyone who tells you

they know is a fool. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Sat Sep 7, 2019, 10:04 AM

Fiendish Thingy (11,535 posts)

79. Your inevitability mythology is duly noted

Don't count your chickens before the eggs have even been laid. If Warren wins Iowa and NH, especially if Biden comes in 3rd or lower in those states, all bets are off. The momentum, fueled by the media's narrative, will shift rapidly, possibly damaging Biden's chances in SC and Nevada. Many single digit polling candidates will likely drop out before Super Tuesday, further condensing the votes. A lot can and will happen between now and January, and a lot can and will happen between January and February. PS- Holder would be a terrible choice for VP. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Sat Sep 7, 2019, 10:24 AM

pinkstarburst (834 posts)

81. Warren and Harris

are more experienced and qualified VP picks. If Abrams doesn't want to run for Senate, that's her choice. But IMHO she's doesn't have the experience to be VP to a 76 year old president. And I think passing over Warren (if she doesn't get the nomination outright) when she's got so much momentum with the progressive side of the party could be a bad, bad move that could come back to bite Biden in the general as far as turnout goes. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Sat Sep 7, 2019, 04:10 PM

evertonfc (1,713 posts)

93. turnout

If progressives don't turn out for this one, I don't know what to say. The most conservative Democrat is far, far better than Trump. If turnout dosent break records in 2020- the people are not as appalled as they pretend to be. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:42 AM

emmaverybo (8,143 posts)

111. Joe Biden has a range of great folks to pick from. There are several extremely accomplished WOC

in the senate. Two white septuagenarians is not a great idea. And Warren is far into her progressive ideology around which multiple pet plans orbit, without her accounting for how to pay for them. On the other hand, as a senator she could work on building a consensus for the implementation of some key pieces. I think her main interest is in domestic economics. A VP who might be president should be well rounded. During this time of great peril, with the existential threat of a first nuclear exchange looming closer than ever before, a Susan Rice profile would make for a formidable, globally engaged and experienced administration. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sat Sep 7, 2019, 10:36 AM

Thekaspervote (28,603 posts)

83. EW & BS being next door to NH.... no surprise that they would come in 1st and 2nd

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sat Sep 7, 2019, 12:37 PM

Gothmog (124,246 posts)

86. Joe Biden still bests fellow Democrats on electability, polls show

Link to tweet If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Sat Sep 7, 2019, 12:44 PM

Joe941 (2,848 posts)

89. That's your opinion. I have another...

I believe people want change not another slick politician. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Sat Sep 7, 2019, 03:50 PM

Peacetrain (22,236 posts)

92. I think he will be the one

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Wed Sep 11, 2019, 07:21 PM

Gothmog (124,246 posts)

95. Joe Biden's appeal actually isn't a mystery

Link to tweet Biden shows reverence for the most popular Democrat around, former president Barack Obama; others find fault in everything from the Affordable Care Act to immigration policy. Biden does not bombard voters with a torrent of multi-part plans; he gives them a few basic positions and defends them. Biden does not campaign from the neck up; he campaigns with his heart on his sleeve. Biden is deeply optimistic; his opponents think Americans are the problem, not Trump. (I don’t suggest that his opponents are wrong, merely that their stance apparently isn’t as popular as they thought.) Biden wants normalcy plus reform; his opponents want a peaceful revolution. Biden knows people want to be heard and seen; his opponents (with the exception of Sen. Kamala D. Harris) don’t fully grasp this. They want to “help," to pepper people with ideas and a to-do list, while Biden takes the time to listen to them. (Think of the well-meaning friend who has a thousand suggestions when you are grieving and you’d rather they just shut up and commiserate.) This is the grouchy-white-guy-in-the-diner problem all over again. Reporters are blinded by their own age, background, education and geography. Instead of going to West Virginia diners to find the Trump voter, reporters should go talk to the residents of The Villages in Florida, the African American churchgoing ladies and the buttoned-down professionals in the affluent suburbs (the Romney-Clinton voters). These people have endured a noisy, offensive and intrusive presence in the White House. They don’t necessarily want a different noisy, intrusive presence — even one they agree with on substance. Part of the “mystery” of Biden’s appeal would be solved if the moderators flipped their questions, as one smart Democrat not in the Biden camp put it. Instead of asking Biden or another moderate, “Why aren’t you going with the big, bold idea of Medicare-for-all?,” the moderators might consider asking Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) or Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), “Why blow up Obamacare, and why don’t you trust people to choose Medicare if given the option?” Instead of assuming that extreme proposals are the standard, requiring the moderates to explain why they are such wet blankets, the moderators should press the super-progressives on questions such as: What makes you think that voters want to go through another health-care makeover? Why should poorer people pay for richer people’s health care or subsidize their college debt? Better yet, ask the candidates to relate the personal story from a voter who moved them the most, or the last voter whose phone number they took so that the candidate could call later, or the most insightful thing they have heard from a voter. It might reveal who is talking at voters and who is listening to them. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:45 AM

emmaverybo (8,143 posts)

112. A lot to unpack here that makes sense. Why am I feeling lectured at and finding that uncomfortable,

exhausting with Joe’s rivals, dizzied by plans, while I am feeling a heart connection to Joe, as though he has listened to some version of me, has listened to America’s “heartbeat” as he called it and is reflecting it back? Yes, I feel upbeat about our future when I listen to Joe, but overwhelmed with “tasks” I have no idea how they will be accomplished when I listen to Bernie or Liz telling me what we MUST do and I want to get a question in edgewise via the moderator as to where we find the money, and the political capital, and the TIME. I want to say did you forget Social Security is endangered before you added to its cost, rich and poor alike getting another 200 a month. Did you know we have a historically high deficit that keeps growing? But they are so bent on pushing their fabulous plans I get the sense they don’t pay attention to how or why—why discharge 95 percent of student debt and not do something about mass foreclosures. What about the threat to Medicare as is and Medicaid and the dismantling of Obamacare? What will people do until your new bold big system is implemented. What if it’s not? They just go on lofted by their own enthusiasm, as though they are so powerful they can make anything happen, as though they will be in a bubble in the White House too, no moderate democrats or oppositional Republicans to have to work with. They wave their arms and hands around too much. Makes them look very busy. Tiring. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Mon Sep 16, 2019, 07:34 PM

Gothmog (124,246 posts)

96. The hardest job for the next president may be fixing Trump's mess

This is one of the reasons why I think that Joe Biden is the best candidate. Who ever is the nominee will have to be prepared to fix all of the damage that trump has done to our government. https://beta.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-hardest-job-for-the-next-president-may-be-fixing-trumps-mess/2019/09/16/e16216fe-d8bf-11e9-ac63-3016711543fe_story.html Perhaps the most straightforward and least complicated undertaking, since it would be entirely within the next president’s purview, is rebuilding the executive branch from the corrupted ruin Trump will leave behind. One of the most underreported stories about the Trump administration is its basic incompetence. Perhaps Trump’s biggest con of all was convincing his supporters that he was some sort of business wizard with a genius for management. In truth, the Trump Organization was a mom-and-pop family business that he repeatedly micromanaged to the brink of collapse. He is doing exactly the same with the government of the United States. The White House itself is less like “The West Wing” than “Game of Thrones.” Courtiers vie for the favor of the Mad King, unable or unwilling to perform normal duties for fear of risking Trump’s ire. Usually, the White House is a place where information from outside sources is synthesized and digested so the president can make the best possible decisions. Under Trump, the flow is reversed — his whims, however ill-informed or contradictory or just plain loopy, are tweeted out and must be made into policy. Agencies vital to our national security — including the Department of Homeland Security and the Federal Emergency Management Agency — lumber along, month after month, without permanent leadership. “It’s easier to make moves when they’re acting,” Trump has said, but really the situation reflects his own insecurity. By keeping his underlings weak and beholden only to him, he limits their power — and thus hamstrings the departments they nominally lead. Joe Biden is the best candidate to repair the damage done by trump. I think that the repair of this damage will keep the next Democratic President very busy. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Mon Sep 16, 2019, 07:42 PM

jcgoldie (10,031 posts)

97. There are NINE more Democratic debates

That is very much not in Joe's favor. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:39 AM

InAbLuEsTaTe (23,816 posts)

110. You can say that again!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!! Either way, welcome to the revolution!!! If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Mon Sep 16, 2019, 07:48 PM

W_HAMILTON (6,462 posts)

98. I'm not a big fan of him picking Abrams.

I appreciate Abrams for what she has done and what she has the capability of doing, but I just don't see her as being very useful on the ticket. I would prefer that Biden just nominate a fellow candidate for the nomination just to shore up their supporters. I would prefer Warren (for her supporters, but unlikely) or Harris (for her attack dog ability and the fact that she is a woman of color to add diversity to the ticket). I just think Abrams would be another Kaine-type VP pick that ultimately would not really help the ticket in any demonstrable way. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:28 AM

Gothmog (124,246 posts)

100. Biden's Electability Advantage Will Be Hard to Shake Among Risk-Averse Democrats

Link to tweet The most obvious is Biden’s consistent strength in head-to-head polls against Trump. You can remind people all day long that these are unreliable indicators of how a general-election campaign will actually play out, but they won’t be able to ignore them. And Biden’s advantage here is significant. There is not a single poll in the RealClearPolitics database of 2020 trial heats between Biden and Trump in which Biden does not lead. His current lead in RCP’s polling averages is an enormous 11.5 percent (Sanders’s is 7.0 percent, and Warren’s is 5.2 percent, but both have trailed Trump in some surveys). A second factor making Biden Mr. Electable is the widespread belief among pundits and voters alike that, all things being equal, proximity to the political “center” is a general-election asset. The more we approach a three-candidate nominating contest in which Biden’s only real challenge comes from Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, the more Biden’s relative “moderation” will become evident. That may hurt him with some primary voters, but it could at the same time enhance his perceived electability. A third factor some analysts focus on is the practical ability to win voters the party lost in 2016 — either to Trump or to third parties or to the living-room couch. There’s at best limited evidence that Biden is more popular than other Democrats in the much-chewed-over white working-class demographic (especially Obama-Trump voters). But he certainly talks about his focus on these voters a lot, which enhances the perception they are his people. And he certainly has conspicuous strength among African-American voters, whose fall-off in turnout was a big problem for Hillary Clinton in 2016. Biden does not look like a good bet to energize younger voters, but Trump might well do that for him...… “Risk-averse” is probably the most important term to remember in assessing Democratic voters heading toward 2020. They still don’t entirely understand how Hillary Clinton managed to lose to Donald Trump in 2016, but they aren’t inclined to take anything for granted this time around. And that will make it difficult for candidates other than Biden to convince Democrats their other qualities are worth taking a bit of a risk on. Sure, Biden could in theory blow himself up with some high-profile gaffe that undermines the very premise of his candidacy. But that’s not within anyone else’s control. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:37 AM

Dyedinthewoolliberal (14,355 posts)

101. We are almost a year from when that will happen.

I bet an internet dollar he wont be.......... If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Fri Sep 20, 2019, 03:26 AM

YOHABLO (7,358 posts)

116. We have a long way to go in this Primary so let's not get ahead of ourselves.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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