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Fri Aug 30, 2019, 02:01 PM

 

from MSNBC this morning it is clear: #ButHisGaffes are the new #ButHerEmails

the lazy stupid story the media can press to give the false equivalency they crave, without doing much work or putting in much effort.

Andrea Mitchell had on several guests who said (1) trump's "gaffes" are 100x worse, (2) with all that is happening, voters don't care about gaffes, and (3) in some cases Biden's gaffes are endearing and improve reliability.

Both Mitchell and Chris Jansing had the same response: Huh. OK LET'S SPEND ANOTHER 30 MINUTES ON THIS ONE BIDEN GAFFE.

Meanwhile, trump raped his wife, raped a respected reporter in a Bergdorf's dressing room, and raped a whole bunch of other women. Not going to talk about that! No siree!
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Reply from MSNBC this morning it is clear: #ButHisGaffes are the new #ButHerEmails (Original post)
EveHammond13 Aug 2019 OP
calimary Aug 2019 #1
PatrickforO Aug 2019 #2
KPN Aug 2019 #16
madaboutharry Aug 2019 #3
dchill Aug 2019 #4
BeyondGeography Aug 2019 #5
redstateblues Aug 2019 #6
BeyondGeography Aug 2019 #8
emmaverybo Aug 2019 #30
peggysue2 Aug 2019 #33
emmaverybo Aug 2019 #39
peggysue2 Aug 2019 #40
redstateblues Aug 2019 #34
Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #11
True Blue American Aug 2019 #7
BeyondGeography Aug 2019 #9
treestar Aug 2019 #32
TeamPooka Aug 2019 #10
FloridaBlues Aug 2019 #12
NYMinute Aug 2019 #13
Meadowoak Aug 2019 #14
KPN Aug 2019 #17
Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #15
emmaverybo Aug 2019 #31
CDerekGo Aug 2019 #18
brooklynite Aug 2019 #19
AtheistCrusader Aug 2019 #20
SCVDem Aug 2019 #22
AtheistCrusader Aug 2019 #24
SCVDem Aug 2019 #29
Cha Aug 2019 #21
Tarheel_Dem Aug 2019 #25
Cha Aug 2019 #26
a kennedy Aug 2019 #23
Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #27
peggysue2 Aug 2019 #41
NoMoreRepugs Aug 2019 #28
loyalsister Aug 2019 #35
highplainsdem Aug 2019 #36
EveHammond13 Aug 2019 #37
Gothmog Aug 2019 #38

Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 02:04 PM

1. Oh I'm sure ol' Andrea is salivating!

 

No fun not having Hillary to kick around anymore? We can ALWAYS go pick on another Democrat then. Right, Andrea?



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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 02:04 PM

2. Corporate owned media.

 

They report it like their owners want them to.
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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #2)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 03:35 PM

16. Yup.

 

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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 02:06 PM

3. I think the whole "gaff" thing is going to peter out.

 

People don't care. Democrats like Joe Biden and they see the gaffs as part of his personality.

The public will shut this bullshit down and not give it traction.

The difference with "But her emails" is that as capable and smart as Hillary is, she never had endeared herself to the democratic base the way that Joe Biden has.

I am not worried about Biden getting past this. He will be fine. I actually have begun think that he is going to win this thing.
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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 02:09 PM

4. They will be so dismayed when Trump gets another...

 

...term that they helped him steal.
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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 02:19 PM

5. Biden's facts-don't-matter reaction to this story is a disaster that no Democrat should defend

 

It’s a ticket that Trump will punch every time we call him out if Biden is the nominee. If you’re into unilateral political disarmament, hooray for you.
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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #5)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 02:27 PM

6. Biden will win back the rust belt states. Warren-maybe not

 

The gaffes are used by those of you who are trying to elevate your candidate by bashing Biden. It won't work. It may actually have the reverse effect.
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Response to redstateblues (Reply #6)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 02:33 PM

8. This isn't about gaffes and who wins the rust belt states

 

It’s about owning up to your mistakes and respecting the truth. Try not to be so wedded to YOUR candidate that you can’t spot obvious problems.
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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #8)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 05:35 PM

30. The high-minded stuff does not work. Gaffes give limited room from which to extrapolate global

 

short-comings.

And when supporters of good candidates try to magnify simple, and long known, Biden public speaking flaws into huge character failings with dire warnings attached, I wonder that they are not making the case that their candidate has superior job-specific qualifications, knowledge, or experience.

But then I remember that they can’t make such a case, so they fall back on gaffes, imperfect memory, old-fashioned language, old age...



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Response to emmaverybo (Reply #30)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 06:36 PM

33. Exactly, emmaverybo

 

Because the simple truth is this: the most qualified, experienced and knowledgeable candidate is:

Joe Biden.

There is no argument to that because Biden has a long, distinguished legislative career, executive experience as Vice President for 8 years and has significant, hands-on foreign policy experience that none of the other candidates have.

None.

Biden is uniquely qualified to assume the Office of the Presidency. That's the thorn in everyone's side.

And so the complaints come down to speaking flaws and age-related 'concerns,' while both Sanders and Warren are in their 70s.

Slight disconnect, methinks. And a whole bunch of sour grapes.
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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #33)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 10:59 PM

39. A simple truth so well and succinctly put that this post should, if fair-mindedness prevailed, put

 

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to rest the whole petty line of argument used thus far to raise doubts about Biden’s candidacy.

Bookmarked.
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Response to emmaverybo (Reply #39)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 11:22 PM

40. Thank you, Ma'm!

 

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #8)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 07:18 PM

34. You are wrong about the rust belt. I couldn't care less about his gaffes.

 

Joe is connecting with people. The gaffes are only a problem for the folks that are focused on them. Your candidate needs to be concerned about her weakness with POC. So far she hasn’t had a successful plan for that
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Response to redstateblues (Reply #6)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 02:41 PM

11. You nailed it!

 

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #5)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 02:33 PM

7. Every MSNBC show opened with the same story.

 

Walter Isaacson let Joe know what he thought about Biden and that he did not glorify himself.

I turned over to CNN, Bill Krystal was saying the same thing about what a good man Joe is.

Then ran my errands, came back, flipped it on, same opening.

They have cancelled Donny Deutsche who was forced to use the same old day time panelists.

I am reading a new Rhys Bowen book, listening to Country music. Blueberry Hill!
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Response to True Blue American (Reply #7)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 02:36 PM

9. I'm reading France in the World

 

907 freaking pages. Short essays though and lots of note pages so that helps. Henry IV just got his throat cut.
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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #5)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 06:19 PM

32. facts don't matter is not what he is doing

 

Orange Useless is the one for whom facts don't matter.
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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 02:37 PM

10. CNN, my local Los Angeles news and MSNBC were all covering the story at the same time earlier

 

I kept switching channels to avoid the bullshit but it was everywhere.
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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 02:57 PM

12. Yes the pundits are doing their best. Let's hope it doesn't work this time around.

 

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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 03:00 PM

13. Andrea Mitchell needs to retire nt

 

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Response to NYMinute (Reply #13)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 03:21 PM

14. And spend more time at home with Alan Greenspan....yuk.

 

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Response to NYMinute (Reply #13)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 03:39 PM

17. I agree. She should have long ago.

 

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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 03:28 PM

15. perhaps a less flawed candidate would be a better choice.

 

When the sales pitch is that he is the most electable, shit like this doesn't back that up.
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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #15)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 05:42 PM

31. Easily most qualified in all areas and duties of the office. Also, one of the most well-liked and

 

respected politicians in America. And then there’s that foreign policy thing:

Snip—————————————————

World leaders tell Biden: We need you
The former vice president would bring deep relationships and heavyweight credentials to a 2020 Democratic field lacking in national security experience.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/20/biden-2020-foreign-policy-national-security-1228345

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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 03:58 PM

18. First time one of my GOP Relatives makes #ButHisGaffes remark

 

to me, my response will only be "ELEVEN THOUSAND DOCUMENTED LIES" and walk the other way
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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 03:58 PM

19. If that's your theory, who do they want to win?

 

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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 03:59 PM

20. It seems to me, that Biden's opponent in the primaries is not yet the President.

 

His opponents are the other primary challengers.


It only makes sense to compare Biden's gaffes, to Trump's, if you assume Biden is the nominee. (Bit early)
That said, Biden does compare favorably, so much so that Trump's glitches aren't even newsworthy.
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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #20)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 04:19 PM

22. tRump has no gaffes!

 

tRump has bald-faced lies and good old fashioned bullshit!

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Response to SCVDem (Reply #22)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 04:33 PM

24. Fair point. With his volume of lies, it's impossible to gauge what might be an honest mistake.

 

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #24)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 05:34 PM

29. That's the only way you get

 

tRump and honest in the same sentence!
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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 04:18 PM

21. I suspect the m$$$media that brought

 

us trump would do that to any Dem front runner.. am I wrong?
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Response to Cha (Reply #21)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 04:42 PM

25. You're not wrong. They love Donald Trump despite what he's doing to the country and the globe.

 

They love that they can start every newscast off with the latest ridiculous tweet, or bald faced lie. They don't have to do much leg work with this pResident, other than replay soundbite after soundbite to fill up a 24 hour news cycle. I think they believe a Dem POTUS would be boring compared to Trump, and some of these loathsome talking heads might find themselves out of work.
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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #25)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 04:59 PM

26. I've long thought, since 2002, that

 

the US media was the enemy of the state.. that's when I cancelled them. But I know from reading on DU that they've only gotten exponentially worse.

Good post descriptive post of the "media******", Tarheel.. Thank You!

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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 04:28 PM

23. I could be wrong, but the talking heads are also saying that the gaffes aren't bothering the common

 

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folks.....at least for now.
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Response to a kennedy (Reply #23)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 04:59 PM

27. This!!

 

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Response to a kennedy (Reply #23)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 11:24 PM

41. Because the 'common folk' . . .

 

can see through the nonsense.
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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 05:04 PM

28. Andrea - look out the window to see if it's raining - don't take someones word for it.

 

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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 07:23 PM

35. Both are unforced mistakes that provide ammunition

 

and open the door for speculation and suspicion. Fortunately, we have better choices this time around.
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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 07:35 PM

36. Morning Joe handled it much better, with Gene Robinson, Walter Isaacson and Scarborough defending

 

Biden and saying they've done the same thing themselves:


https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287259936
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #36)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 08:03 PM

37. +1

 

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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Fri Aug 30, 2019, 09:09 PM

38. So far this is not hurting Biden

 


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