
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 03:01 PM
EveHammond13 (2,855 posts)
from MSNBC this morning it is clear: #ButHisGaffes are the new #ButHerEmails
the lazy stupid story the media can press to give the false equivalency they crave, without doing much work or putting in much effort.
Andrea Mitchell had on several guests who said (1) trump's "gaffes" are 100x worse, (2) with all that is happening, voters don't care about gaffes, and (3) in some cases Biden's gaffes are endearing and improve reliability. Both Mitchell and Chris Jansing had the same response: Huh. OK LET'S SPEND ANOTHER 30 MINUTES ON THIS ONE BIDEN GAFFE. Meanwhile, trump raped his wife, raped a respected reporter in a Bergdorf's dressing room, and raped a whole bunch of other women. Not going to talk about that! No siree!
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
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EveHammond13 | Aug 2019 | OP |
calimary | Aug 2019 | #1 | |
PatrickforO | Aug 2019 | #2 | |
KPN | Aug 2019 | #16 | |
madaboutharry | Aug 2019 | #3 | |
dchill | Aug 2019 | #4 | |
BeyondGeography | Aug 2019 | #5 | |
redstateblues | Aug 2019 | #6 | |
BeyondGeography | Aug 2019 | #8 | |
emmaverybo | Aug 2019 | #30 | |
peggysue2 | Aug 2019 | #33 | |
emmaverybo | Aug 2019 | #39 | |
peggysue2 | Aug 2019 | #40 | |
redstateblues | Aug 2019 | #34 | |
Skya Rhen | Aug 2019 | #11 | |
True Blue American | Aug 2019 | #7 | |
BeyondGeography | Aug 2019 | #9 | |
treestar | Aug 2019 | #32 | |
TeamPooka | Aug 2019 | #10 | |
FloridaBlues | Aug 2019 | #12 | |
NYMinute | Aug 2019 | #13 | |
Meadowoak | Aug 2019 | #14 | |
KPN | Aug 2019 | #17 | |
Voltaire2 | Aug 2019 | #15 | |
emmaverybo | Aug 2019 | #31 | |
CDerekGo | Aug 2019 | #18 | |
brooklynite | Aug 2019 | #19 | |
AtheistCrusader | Aug 2019 | #20 | |
SCVDem | Aug 2019 | #22 | |
AtheistCrusader | Aug 2019 | #24 | |
SCVDem | Aug 2019 | #29 | |
Cha | Aug 2019 | #21 | |
Tarheel_Dem | Aug 2019 | #25 | |
Cha | Aug 2019 | #26 | |
a kennedy | Aug 2019 | #23 | |
Thekaspervote | Aug 2019 | #27 | |
peggysue2 | Aug 2019 | #41 | |
NoMoreRepugs | Aug 2019 | #28 | |
loyalsister | Aug 2019 | #35 | |
highplainsdem | Aug 2019 | #36 | |
EveHammond13 | Aug 2019 | #37 | |
Gothmog | Aug 2019 | #38 |
Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 03:04 PM
calimary (74,877 posts)
1. Oh I'm sure ol' Andrea is salivating!
No fun not having Hillary to kick around anymore? We can ALWAYS go pick on another Democrat then. Right, Andrea?
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 03:04 PM
PatrickforO (13,953 posts)
2. Corporate owned media.
They report it like their owners want them to.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to PatrickforO (Reply #2)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 04:35 PM
KPN (14,695 posts)
16. Yup.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 03:06 PM
madaboutharry (38,606 posts)
3. I think the whole "gaff" thing is going to peter out.
People don't care. Democrats like Joe Biden and they see the gaffs as part of his personality.
The public will shut this bullshit down and not give it traction. The difference with "But her emails" is that as capable and smart as Hillary is, she never had endeared herself to the democratic base the way that Joe Biden has. I am not worried about Biden getting past this. He will be fine. I actually have begun think that he is going to win this thing. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 03:09 PM
dchill (34,945 posts)
4. They will be so dismayed when Trump gets another...
...term that they helped him steal.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 03:19 PM
BeyondGeography (38,561 posts)
5. Biden's facts-don't-matter reaction to this story is a disaster that no Democrat should defend
Its a ticket that Trump will punch every time we call him out if Biden is the nominee. If youre into unilateral political disarmament, hooray for you.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #5)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 03:27 PM
redstateblues (10,559 posts)
6. Biden will win back the rust belt states. Warren-maybe not
The gaffes are used by those of you who are trying to elevate your candidate by bashing Biden. It won't work. It may actually have the reverse effect.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to redstateblues (Reply #6)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 03:33 PM
BeyondGeography (38,561 posts)
8. This isn't about gaffes and who wins the rust belt states
Its about owning up to your mistakes and respecting the truth. Try not to be so wedded to YOUR candidate that you cant spot obvious problems.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #8)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 06:35 PM
emmaverybo (8,143 posts)
30. The high-minded stuff does not work. Gaffes give limited room from which to extrapolate global
short-comings.
And when supporters of good candidates try to magnify simple, and long known, Biden public speaking flaws into huge character failings with dire warnings attached, I wonder that they are not making the case that their candidate has superior job-specific qualifications, knowledge, or experience. But then I remember that they cant make such a case, so they fall back on gaffes, imperfect memory, old-fashioned language, old age... ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to emmaverybo (Reply #30)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 07:36 PM
peggysue2 (9,770 posts)
33. Exactly, emmaverybo
Because the simple truth is this: the most qualified, experienced and knowledgeable candidate is:
Joe Biden. There is no argument to that because Biden has a long, distinguished legislative career, executive experience as Vice President for 8 years and has significant, hands-on foreign policy experience that none of the other candidates have. None. Biden is uniquely qualified to assume the Office of the Presidency. That's the thorn in everyone's side. And so the complaints come down to speaking flaws and age-related 'concerns,' while both Sanders and Warren are in their 70s. Slight disconnect, methinks. And a whole bunch of sour grapes. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to peggysue2 (Reply #33)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 11:59 PM
emmaverybo (8,143 posts)
39. A simple truth so well and succinctly put that this post should, if fair-mindedness prevailed, put
Last edited Sat Oct 12, 2019, 12:52 AM - Edit history (1) to rest the whole petty line of argument used thus far to raise doubts about Bidens candidacy.
Bookmarked. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to emmaverybo (Reply #39)
Sat Aug 31, 2019, 12:22 AM
peggysue2 (9,770 posts)
40. Thank you, Ma'm!
![]() ![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #8)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 08:18 PM
redstateblues (10,559 posts)
34. You are wrong about the rust belt. I couldn't care less about his gaffes.
Joe is connecting with people. The gaffes are only a problem for the folks that are focused on them. Your candidate needs to be concerned about her weakness with POC. So far she hasnt had a successful plan for that
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to redstateblues (Reply #6)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 03:41 PM
Skya Rhen (2,701 posts)
11. You nailed it!
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #5)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 03:33 PM
True Blue American (16,842 posts)
7. Every MSNBC show opened with the same story.
Walter Isaacson let Joe know what he thought about Biden and that he did not glorify himself.
I turned over to CNN, Bill Krystal was saying the same thing about what a good man Joe is. Then ran my errands, came back, flipped it on, same opening. They have cancelled Donny Deutsche who was forced to use the same old day time panelists. I am reading a new Rhys Bowen book, listening to Country music. ![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to True Blue American (Reply #7)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 03:36 PM
BeyondGeography (38,561 posts)
9. I'm reading France in the World
907 freaking pages. Short essays though and lots of note pages so that helps. Henry IV just got his throat cut.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #5)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 07:19 PM
treestar (81,170 posts)
32. facts don't matter is not what he is doing
Orange Useless is the one for whom facts don't matter.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 03:37 PM
TeamPooka (22,385 posts)
10. CNN, my local Los Angeles news and MSNBC were all covering the story at the same time earlier
I kept switching channels to avoid the bullshit but it was everywhere.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 03:57 PM
FloridaBlues (3,617 posts)
12. Yes the pundits are doing their best. Let's hope it doesn't work this time around.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 04:00 PM
NYMinute (3,256 posts)
13. Andrea Mitchell needs to retire nt
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to NYMinute (Reply #13)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 04:21 PM
Meadowoak (4,305 posts)
14. And spend more time at home with Alan Greenspan....yuk.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to NYMinute (Reply #13)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 04:39 PM
KPN (14,695 posts)
17. I agree. She should have long ago.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 04:28 PM
Voltaire2 (10,768 posts)
15. perhaps a less flawed candidate would be a better choice.
When the sales pitch is that he is the most electable, shit like this doesn't back that up.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #15)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 06:42 PM
emmaverybo (8,143 posts)
31. Easily most qualified in all areas and duties of the office. Also, one of the most well-liked and
respected politicians in America. And then theres that foreign policy thing:
Snip World leaders tell Biden: We need you The former vice president would bring deep relationships and heavyweight credentials to a 2020 Democratic field lacking in national security experience. https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/20/biden-2020-foreign-policy-national-security-1228345 ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 04:58 PM
CDerekGo (507 posts)
18. First time one of my GOP Relatives makes #ButHisGaffes remark
to me, my response will only be "ELEVEN THOUSAND DOCUMENTED LIES" and walk the other way
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 04:58 PM
brooklynite (85,587 posts)
19. If that's your theory, who do they want to win?
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 04:59 PM
AtheistCrusader (33,982 posts)
20. It seems to me, that Biden's opponent in the primaries is not yet the President.
His opponents are the other primary challengers.
It only makes sense to compare Biden's gaffes, to Trump's, if you assume Biden is the nominee. (Bit early) That said, Biden does compare favorably, so much so that Trump's glitches aren't even newsworthy. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #20)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 05:19 PM
SCVDem (5,103 posts)
22. tRump has no gaffes!
tRump has bald-faced lies and good old fashioned bullshit!
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to SCVDem (Reply #22)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 05:33 PM
AtheistCrusader (33,982 posts)
24. Fair point. With his volume of lies, it's impossible to gauge what might be an honest mistake.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #24)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 06:34 PM
SCVDem (5,103 posts)
29. That's the only way you get
tRump and honest in the same sentence!
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 05:18 PM
Cha (283,906 posts)
21. I suspect the m$$$media that brought
us trump would do that to any Dem front runner.. am I wrong?
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Cha (Reply #21)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 05:42 PM
Tarheel_Dem (31,129 posts)
25. You're not wrong. They love Donald Trump despite what he's doing to the country and the globe.
They love that they can start every newscast off with the latest ridiculous tweet, or bald faced lie. They don't have to do much leg work with this pResident, other than replay soundbite after soundbite to fill up a 24 hour news cycle. I think they believe a Dem POTUS would be boring compared to Trump, and some of these loathsome talking heads might find themselves out of work.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #25)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 05:59 PM
Cha (283,906 posts)
26. I've long thought, since 2002, that
the US media was the enemy of the state.. that's when I cancelled them. But I know from reading on DU that they've only gotten exponentially worse.
Good post descriptive post of the "media******", Tarheel.. Thank You! ![]() ![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 05:28 PM
a kennedy (27,157 posts)
23. I could be wrong, but the talking heads are also saying that the gaffes aren't bothering the common
Last edited Fri Aug 30, 2019, 06:01 PM - Edit history (1) folks.....at least for now.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to a kennedy (Reply #23)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 05:59 PM
Thekaspervote (29,106 posts)
27. This!!
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to a kennedy (Reply #23)
Sat Aug 31, 2019, 12:24 AM
peggysue2 (9,770 posts)
41. Because the 'common folk' . . .
can see through the nonsense.
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 06:04 PM
NoMoreRepugs (7,828 posts)
28. Andrea - look out the window to see if it's raining - don't take someones word for it.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 08:23 PM
loyalsister (13,390 posts)
35. Both are unforced mistakes that provide ammunition
and open the door for speculation and suspicion. Fortunately, we have better choices this time around.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 08:35 PM
highplainsdem (43,209 posts)
36. Morning Joe handled it much better, with Gene Robinson, Walter Isaacson and Scarborough defending
Biden and saying they've done the same thing themselves:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287259936 ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to highplainsdem (Reply #36)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 09:03 PM
EveHammond13 (2,855 posts)
37. +1
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)
Fri Aug 30, 2019, 10:09 PM
Gothmog (126,644 posts)
38. So far this is not hurting Biden
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |