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Fri Mar 15, 2019, 03:57 PM

 

Bernie requires 7 stitches after cutting his head on shower door.

But they say he didn't fall. Maybe he slipped?

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/15/bernie-sanders-shower-door-1223545

Sen. Bernie Sanders cut his head on a glass shower door on Friday morning and received seven stitches, his campaign announced.

But the 2020 candidate was given a "clean bill of health" and will attend all of his previously scheduled campaign events over the next couple days.

Arianna Jones, a Sanders spokeswoman, said "out of precaution, he went to a walk-in clinic" to have the cut checked out.

"The senator has proceeded with all of his scheduled events ó joining a group of approximately 20 local clergy for breakfast this morning ó and looks forward to joining a roundtable with South Carolinians this afternoon to discuss how we can provide high quality affordable health care for all," she added.

Sanders cut his head on the edge of the shower door, his campaign said, but did not fall.
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Reply Bernie requires 7 stitches after cutting his head on shower door. (Original post)
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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 04:03 PM

1. Easy to do. I've almost fallen in the shower before but luckily a grab bar was there. n/t

 

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 04:06 PM

4. Is it easy to hit your head on the door? I can't figure out how that would work. n/t

 

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 04:08 PM

5. Fall at an angle? Maybe it broke ... or he hit the handle? Maybe ... n/t

 

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 07:46 PM

14. There isn't a single part of the shower that's isn't in...

 

Your heads range in a fall, except certain things above your head. The shower is a dangerous place for the elderly, though bad falls in a shower can happen to anyone.
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Response to WeekiWater (Reply #14)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 07:58 PM

15. Except they said he didn't fall.

 

Sanders cut his head on the edge of the shower door, his campaign said, but did not fall.
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Response to pnwmom (Reply #15)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 08:08 PM

16. Maybe he was getting really animated while yelling at the shower walls. NT

 

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Response to WeekiWater (Reply #16)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 10:37 AM

34. LOL...

 

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Response to WeekiWater (Reply #16)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 12:21 PM

39. TeeHee!

 

An old man joke, perhaps...
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Response to Stellar (Reply #39)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 01:14 PM

43. That wasn't one.

 

But this old man has a couple ready to go. Iím actually not all that old. Years of hard work and living just makes me feel old.
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Response to WeekiWater (Reply #43)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 03:41 PM

47. Well, I am...

 

at 74, I know old jokes, even if unintentional.
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Response to Stellar (Reply #47)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 03:51 PM

49. Then an old joke it was.

 

You recognized the age placed humor where I didnít. I enjoy making people laugh.

The Bern has been yelling at walls since he was s kid.
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Response to pnwmom (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 09:29 AM

21. We have a glass shower door but it does not have metal trim. I'm guessing the hotel

 

shower door is one of those cheaper kinds with metal trim and maybe he slipped and cut his head on some rough metal.
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Response to seaglass (Reply #21)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 12:44 AM

65. You wouldn't even have to slip...

 

...you could just turn wrong getting out and smack your head on those doors.
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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 04:03 PM

2. What if he was showering with ducks and it was more of a "trip".

 

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Might require a different attorney.



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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 04:05 PM

3. Bernie requires 7 stitches but did not fall ?

 

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 06:02 PM

9. Yeah... my dear mother would often fall but would NEVER admit it. Instead...

 

Yeah... my dear mother would often fall but would NEVER admit it. Instead, she'd tell the aides/nurses at her assisted living home that she "felt tired and just decided to sit down quickly".

She learned that if she ADMITTED to falling down, or if she ADMITTED to landing hard (or hitting her head) they'd be obligated to call the EMT's to take her to the ER for examination and observation.

Bernie requires 7 stitches but did not fall ?
Of course he fell. That's what elderly people do. Of course he denied falling... he wanted to avoid the embarrassment and the hassle. I just hope he didn't break a hip.

He probably should have gone to an ER for a proper exam, but "walk in clinic" sounds much better... so I can see why he (or his advisor) made that decision.

In the end, while at the "walk-in clinic" he probably didn't get as through of a checkup as he would have from his own gerontologist or geriatrician who specializes in chronic issues in the elderly. It could be that he needs his meds adjusted.

I wonder what meds he takes regularly. I think we deserve to know these things before the primaries process goes too far along. People need to know if the person running for the nomination is healthy enough to be able to handle the rigors and schedule... and does the candidate have the stamina to withstand everything required to be the Leader of the Free World.

This was a wake-up call.

I sure hope he feels better soon. I know his current wife Jane must be worried.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 04:10 PM

6. Not an expert but if he cut himself above the eye in a fall

 

I think youíd see some bruising.



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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 06:09 PM

10. Wow... that looks bad. He should probably get some rest.

 

Wow... that looks bad. He should probably get some rest. I sure do hope he feels better soon.

I think youíd see some bruising.
It's early yet... and I'll bet someone has stage makeup and powder to hide (or minimize the appearance) of any bruising.

This is a wake-up call. It makes me wonder if he's okay and if he can handle the rigors of campaigning or if he has the stamina required to be the "Leader of the Free World".

I know he went to a "walk-in clinic" ... but is that enough? Would he have received a more thorough examination and evaluation if he had simply gone to the ER instead?

Have there been any follow up reports regarding whether or not he has seen (or whether he plans to see) his regular geriatrician. It could be that he needs his meds adjusted, or that a new Rx is interacting with something he's already taking.

Does anyone know what meds he's currently taking? What other health risks does he have?

Heal quickly, Bernie... we're all pulling for ya!
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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #10)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 08:33 PM

18. He looks pretty rough in that pic.

 

I have had both stitches and staples in my head. Hurts like hell. And i am much younger than Bernie.
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Response to Tipperary (Reply #18)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 09:35 AM

23. Yes he does. It was shocking actually.

 

Looked like he should definitely be getting some rest.
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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #10)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:59 PM

59. cane

 

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I think we should all chip in and get him a hurry cane. . . . So he can stay in his home!
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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 04:10 PM

7. Wishing a speedy recovery to Sen. Sanders!

 

I doubt this will slow him down much.

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Response to Devil Child (Reply #7)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:43 PM

57. Same... not to worry though, NOTHING slows Bernie down. He's the "Energizer Bunny" of candidates!!

 


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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 05:29 PM

8. Did this happen at one of his houses in VT or at his condo in DC? N/T

 

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #8)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 07:41 PM

13. A hotel. NT

 

NT
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Response to lapucelle (Reply #8)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 09:28 AM

20. They say it was at a hotel. I've stayed at probably over a thousand hotels over the years...

 

...some pretty ritzy. I've never had a glass door in my shower/bathtub.
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Response to George II (Reply #20)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 10:59 AM

35. Really? I've stayed in more than one in recent years that had been renovated, and it

 

was essentially a walk-in shower enclosure that didn't have a door or any kind. I'm guessing he probably misjudged where that glass edge of the enclosure was as he was exiting. Easy to do when you clearly don't have perfect vision.
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Response to George II (Reply #20)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 09:04 PM

60. Bernie should "come clean" over this shower incident...he needs to provide "full transparency" about

 

the shower door. This could be the ultimate "shower-water-gate"... just a ruse to get the sympathy vote?! I demand answers!!


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Response to George II (Reply #20)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 11:56 AM

67. I've stayed in some hotel rooms with glass doors in the shower in recent years -

 

In high-end US resorts, and in some newer hotels in Europe, bathrooms that have large soaking tubs also have a glassed-in shower stall as well. But as far as your usual standard mid- to upscale US hotels go, the vast majority of them don't have glass shower doors, in my experience.
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Response to George II (Reply #20)

Mon Mar 18, 2019, 07:52 AM

80. Prepare to have your MIND BLOWN...

 

...but hereís a link to a Marriott hotel photo gallery from one of their South Carolina (the state Bernie was in) hotels. If you scroll through the room shots youíll see a bathroom picture with glass shower doors.

https://www.marriott.com/hotels/hotel-photos/chsmn-north-charleston-marriott/

Itís amazing to me how people are denying these things exist...happened in the other thread with Nurse Jackie as well. Willful at this point.
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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #80)

Mon Mar 18, 2019, 09:17 AM

85. Not that it matters anymore, but the only picture that shows a shower on that site is this one....

 

....with the typical hotel shower curtain. That's assuming he stayed at the Marriott in North Charleston for his event in Charleston (?). Even the Charleston newspapers find it curious that this is such a big secret:

"The Charleston Post and Courier said Sandersí staff declined to disclose where Sanders stayed in the Charleston area or the name of the clinic he visited."

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/article227957214.html

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Response to George II (Reply #85)

Mon Mar 18, 2019, 09:21 AM

86. It is not the only bathroom picture...

 

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Also...I didn't say that this was the hotel he stayed at. Only that this is a hotel in the state the incident happened in.
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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #86)

Mon Mar 18, 2019, 09:28 AM

88. The caption for that one is:

 

"Our guest bathrooms are well-lit and give you ample amount of space that you need to get ready....."

BTW, when my wife were in Manhattan over the weekend we figured we'd take a side trip to Niagara Falls since it's in the same state.


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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 07:00 PM

11. Is it possible that he walked into the door?

 

My dad walked into a sliding glass patio door (thinking it was open) and banged up his face, fortunately he didn't need stitches.
Any kind of head injury, especially in the elderly, is of concern. Poor guy. I wish him well.
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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 07:35 PM

12. There's a reason other than age for such accidents.

 

I told my doctor during my annual exam that I'd started getting dizzy in the shower when my eyes were closed and I reached for the shampoo or a towel. He asked if I was daydreaming or otherwise lost in thought when that happened. I hadn't thought about it, but I do actually daydream in the shower, usually thinking of shopping lists or errands to run. The doctor told me to stay "in the moment" the next time I shower, meaning to concentrate on the actual process of reaching for the shampoo or a towel. If I still got dizzy, I was supposed to call him immediately.

Well, it worked. Remaining "in the moment," I didn't get dizzy at all. Now, imagine everything on the mind of Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton (when she fell in the tub and hurt her wrist). If I'm distracted by grocery lists, they're really not in the moment. The doctor also said that daydreaming or being distracted cause a lot of everyday accidents, and most don't have anything to do with aging.
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Response to displacedtexan (Reply #12)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 09:24 AM

19. His thyroid levels are probably "off" ... or his BP meds, or heart-meds may be off...

 

His thyroid levels are probably "off" ... or his BP meds, or heart-meds may be off. Or maybe he's added a new drug that he's having a reaction to, or that's interacting negatively with other meds he's on. I'm sure it will all be taken care of when he returns home and has a chance to be examined by his regular geriatrician.

Also, dizziness and muscle weakness are among the side effects of botox. https://www.rxlist.com/botox-side-effects-drug-center.htm That could be something that's at play here too.

Sending him warm thoughts for a speedy recovery.
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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #19)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 09:31 AM

22. I seriously doubt that a head injury requiring seven stitches would be considered a matter of T&R.

 

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Response to George II (Reply #22)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 09:48 AM

24. Another possibility is that it could have been a syncope episode...

 

Another possibility is that it could have been a syncope episode... one where he actually lost consciousness (or nearly lost consciousness) and then hit his head as a result.

Regardless, I find it interesting that there was no mention of a CT scan at the minimum to insure no internal bleeding or swelling, or other brain-damage occurred.

Was the clinic being negligent (possible malpractice?) or are we not being given the entire story of what happened?
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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #24)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 10:10 AM

25. Here's more info about CARDIAC SYNCOPE and ARRHYTHMIA

 

http://tinyurl.com/y44ktoxx (short URL goes to heart.org)

What is cardiac syncope?

Cardiac or cardiovascular syncope is caused by various heart conditions, such as bradycardia, tachycardia or certain types of hypotension. It can increase the risk of sudden cardiac death.

People suspected of having cardiac syncope but who don't have serious medical conditions may be managed as outpatients. Further inpatient evaluation is needed if serious medical conditions are present. Conditions that may warrant hospital evaluation and treatment include various cardiac arrhythmic conditions, cardiac ischemia, severe aortic stenosis and pulmonary embolism. If evaluation suggests cardiac vascular abnormalities, an ambulatory external or implantable cardiac monitor may be required.

Heart failure, atrial fibrillation and other serious cardiac conditions can cause recurrent syncope in older adults, with a sharp increase after age 70.


What are the risk factors?

Syncope is common, but adults over age 80 are at greater risk of hospitalization and death.

Younger people without cardiac disease but who've experienced syncope while standing or have specific stress or situational triggers aren't as likely to experience cardiac syncope.

Cardiac syncope is a higher risk in: people older than age 60; men; presence of known heart disease; brief palpitations or sudden loss of consciousness; fainting during exertion; fainting while supine; an abnormal cardiac exam; or family history of inheritable conditions. Other existing conditions and medications used are particularly important in older patients.
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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #24)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 10:23 AM

27. Could have been anything, even fatigue. Again, with a head injury I seriously doubt...

 

...they stitched him up and sent him on his way.
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Response to George II (Reply #27)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 10:31 AM

30. That's certainly a mystery. Either the clinic was negligent...

 

That's certainly a mystery. Either the clinic was negligent, or we're not getting the entire story... details are being withheld.

Both possibilities are legitimate reasons that voters have to demand more answers. People have a right to know whether the person they're voting for is healthy enough to be able to survive FOUR NONSTOP YEARS of the demands and rigors of being the Leader of the Free World.

All I'm saying is that I want a president whose face will NOT be on a postage stamp until many years AFTER they have served a full term (or two). That's a reasonable expectation.
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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #24)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:20 PM

53. Many Walk-In clinics will not treat a patient that has lost consciousness.

 

They require them to go the the ER for more extensive examination.
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Response to 33taw (Reply #53)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:32 PM

55. Many patients know that and will not tell the truth...

 

... about their symptoms or the event that happened.
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Response to 33taw (Reply #53)

Mon Mar 18, 2019, 08:01 AM

82. Unless unconscious at arrival, the doctors have no way of knowing whether a patient fainted prior...

 

Many Walk-In clinics will not treat a patient that has lost consciousness.
They require them to go the the ER for more extensive examination.

Unless unconscious at arrival, the doctors have no way of knowing whether a patient fainted prior to arrival. At that point they must rely on what the patient tells them.

I know from first hand experience that elderly patients in nursing homes or assisted living facilities learn to LIE about their symptoms and to LIE about what really happened during a fall... in order to AVOID having to go to the ER, and in order to AVOID the (perceived) hassle of being attended to by EMT's.

This isn't anything new. I might have done something similar if all I wanted to do was to get in and OUT quickly.

I think it's perfectly natural for ordinary people to be dismissive and to cover up their embarrassment by saying things like "oh, it's nothing" and "just a little bump" and "I'll be fine" and "don't worry". (Nobody like to make-a-fuss... and people generally don't like being "fussed-over".)

But when it's someone who's seeking to be the Leader of the Free World, I believe that the American people deserve to hear the truth and to have all the information presented in an honest and forthcoming way. No more of the dismissive "nothing to see here, move along" responses. That's the type of attitude that suggests things are worse than they're letting on... and that they just hope it will blow-over and be quickly forgotten.

I just know that the way it's being described... how it unfolded... the changes in the story... the claimed treatment... the claims that there was no x-ray or scan performed, well, it just doesn't add up to me. I feel like there are inconsistencies and omitted information which leads me to believe something else is going on. I think there's a possibility that there could be an underlying condition.

All I'm saying is, when people aren't completely forthcoming, they only make things worse. It's true when it comes to a candidate's tax returns, and it's true when it comes to a candidate's health. I believe it's always important for American voters deserve to know the truth ANY candidate's health so that we can make informed decisions on whether we believe he (or she) can handle the rigors of the office.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #24)

Mon Mar 18, 2019, 07:18 AM

70. The name of the clinic has not been released.

 

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HIPAA would prevent them from releasing any information on the treatments without a release, and clearly Senator Sanders does not want that.

My son fell at school in 5th grade and cut his head on the edge of a step. I called my pediatrician when I got to the school, let them know that he was vomiting, and she said to go to the ER, not an urgent care facility. She didn't say, "Let's do this as a precaution."

There was not enough of a cut for stitches, but the ER insisted on doing a CT to rule out internal bleeding or swelling, since he was throwing up.





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Mon Mar 18, 2019, 08:10 AM

84. Yes, the HIPAA rules are very strict. We must rely on transparency from the Sanders campaign...

 

HIPPA would prevent them from releasing any information on the treatments without a release, and clearly Senator Sanders does not want that.
Yes, the HIPAA rules are very strict. We must rely on transparency from the Sanders campaign if we expect to find out more.

Based on the spotty and inconsistent and changing information that we've received so far, my expectations are very low that we'll be receiving more complete information. It's unlikely that there will be a full, complete and honest disclosure of what happened and about any other underlying causes that there may have been.

All I'm saying is, I believe that's a mistake for ANY candidate to withhold their health information from the voters... no matter how old or young he (or she) may be. The American people deserve to know these things before making their decision. Any candidate who withholds that basic information only makes themselves look bad, and it causes voters to wonder what he (or she) may be hiding.

In the absence of comprehensive and reliable information, I believe it's perfectly natural for people to wonder and to have suspicions.
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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #19)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 12:12 PM

38. To be fair, aside from the bandage, he does look refreshed and well rested.

 

Forehead stitches must hurt. The skin is so tight.

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Sat Mar 16, 2019, 12:38 PM

42. You know, Botox is popular among celebs and politicians. But it has negative side effects as well...

 

... among them are dizziness and muscle weakness. It's not always appropriate for everyone. It's very effective at giving the appearance of youth, but it can't hide any other underlying health problems.

Forehead stitches must hurt.
Absolutely true. I speak from experience. I'll bet that's going to leave a big mark... but with stage-makeup, I'm sure that people will hardly notice the bruising and swelling. The stitches will leave a visible scar that's going to be a constant reminder of this scare.

I certainly do wish Bernie a speedy recovery. Sending happy healing thoughts.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #38)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 10:52 PM

63. He looked worse today, after a day for the swelling to set in.

 

His eyelid looked swollen.


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Response to pnwmom (Reply #63)

Mon Mar 18, 2019, 07:20 AM

71. A cut that severe would involve swelling or blackening of the eye.

 

I'm very surprised that they stated that he only went to urgent care "as a precaution" which says that the injury wasn't serious at all.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #19)

Mon Mar 18, 2019, 08:01 AM

81. Yes, or maybe Bernie is suffering from gamma aminobutyrate transaminase deficiency

 

that caused one of his psychomotor-nuerons to misfire, causing him to stumble... I mean, as long as we're speculating.


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Mon Mar 18, 2019, 01:31 PM

90. Appeal to Ridicule:

 

Description: Presenting the argument in such a way that makes the argument look ridiculous, usually by misrepresenting the argument or the use of exaggeration.


https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/42/Appeal-to-Ridicule




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Mon Mar 18, 2019, 01:43 PM

91. Did you see the HORRIFIC swelling in these photos? I feel so sad for him.

 

Any impact that causes something that bad is also forceful enough to cause a concussion, or fracture, or internal bleeding. That could lead to a stroke or brain damage. That's true for ANYONE, young or old, fit or frail... but in the elderly, it's especially true.

There's NO WAY any responsible physician would have told him to just go about his ordinary routine as if nothing had happened. With an IMPACT TO THE HEAD that causes THIS MUCH DAMAGE, there's no way that a responsible physician wouldn't have ordered xrays or other scans.

I feel so sad for him. It really makes no good sense for anyone to take unnecessary risks by refusing tests and not following the normal recommendation of bed rest for a few days. People who put on these "brave" acts of disobeying their doctors often end up discovering that the risks can be deadly (ie: stroke, consussion/internal bleeding, brain damage, displaced fracture)

I hope he heals quickly. We need him in the Senate.



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Fri Mar 15, 2019, 08:25 PM

17. I can't say much since yesterday I somehow managed to yank my car door open,

 

whack myself in the forehead with it and run around all day with a giant goose egg. Fortunately, I didn't require medical attention. Poor Bernie.
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Response to Vinca (Reply #17)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 12:29 PM

41. Could also be he is staying in a hotel - easier to have a mishap in unfamiliar places

 

Iím pretty clumsy, and I like to rent cars of the same type I drive, and sleep in hotels with similar layouts because I donít like unfamiliar gadgets, keys, etc. and I donít travel as much as Bernie and the other candidates. Still, age and agility are issues. Canít dodge these issues.
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Response to MaryMagdaline (Reply #41)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 02:01 PM

44. As I've joined the elderly population, I no longer have the STAMINA that I once had...

 

As I've joined the elderly population, I no longer have the STAMINA that I once had, and I tire easily after a long day.

Even if the day wasn't necessarily filled with exertion... just keeping long hours (as one expects the Leader of the Free World would have to do) really does impact my strength, and my ability to think clearly and analytically. Getting old sucks!

All I'm saying is that I believe people are justified to be asking these types of questions about the overall health of all candidates. We have a right to know if he (or she) is physically ready for the many challenges.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #44)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 02:50 PM

45. Agreed. It's an issue. We need experience AND stamina

 

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Sat Mar 16, 2019, 10:12 AM

26. This is kneecapping. "Bernie is a senile old coot" is the Big Lie it feeds.

 

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Reply #26)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 10:25 AM

28. No it's not. Nobody is saying that. This isn't about senility.

 

This is kneecapping. "Bernie is a senile old coot" is the Big Lie it feeds.
No it's not. Nobody is saying that. This isn't about senility.

Instead, this episode does raise legitimate health-related questions in the minds of many... and the way it was handled only adds to the mystery.

All I'm saying is that as voters, people deserve to know what's going on and to have a forthcoming accounting and assessment of a candidate's health, and to know what his (or her) risk factors are. We deserve to know whether the candidate we vote for has a good chance of actually being able to serve their full term. There's nothing wrong with wanting to know these things. There's nothing wrong with asking questions and talking about these things.

Heart disease and high blood pressure are known as "silent killers" for a reason. That's not a big-lie.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect that the candidates running for national office should not be "silent" about their health, and whatever ongoing issues there may be, or their medications. Voters deserve to know the truth about ALL candidates.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #28)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 10:31 AM

31. It could have been a transient ischemic attack.

 

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Sat Mar 16, 2019, 10:36 AM

33. To quote my dear departed mom's wonderful and thoughtful physician.

 

"An older body is more likely to break."
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Sat Mar 16, 2019, 11:16 AM

36. It's incredible that anyone would liken basic questions about an accident to a Big Lie.

 

A big lie (German: groŖe LŁge) is a propaganda technique. The expression was coined by Adolf Hitler, when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, about the use of a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously". Hitler believed the technique was used by Jews to blame Germany's loss in World War I on German general Erich Ludendorff, who was a prominent nationalist and antisemitic political leader in the Weimar Republic.


indeed.
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Response to McCamy Taylor (Reply #26)

Mon Mar 18, 2019, 07:21 AM

72. Strawman.... (nt)

 

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Mon Mar 18, 2019, 08:03 AM

83. What were you expecting?

 


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Mon Mar 18, 2019, 09:29 AM

89. ....

 

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 10:27 AM

29. I hope he's treated as respectfully as Hillary was when she had pneumonia...nt

 

Sid
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Sat Mar 16, 2019, 10:32 AM

32. ...

 

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #29)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 11:32 AM

37. Touche'

 

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #29)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 12:25 PM

40. Waiting for someone to make this point

 

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Sat Mar 16, 2019, 03:23 PM

46. Exactly

 

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Sat Mar 16, 2019, 03:43 PM

48. Amen!

 

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Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:14 PM

52. ...

 

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #29)

Mon Mar 18, 2019, 07:23 AM

73. Remember - she fell. The release was VERY clear that Bernie didn't fall.

 

That makes this completely different, you see.

Hillary fell, and that meant she was "frail," to many.

This is DIFFERENT than Hillary.
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Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:08 PM

50. Are you saying...

 

...he lied about what happened?

I guess he could've said he was playing basketball... or hockey... or eating pretzels...

TYY
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Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:14 PM

51. He looked fine

 

I attended his rally in Henderson NV today and he looked and sounded fine.
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Response to Ananda62 (Reply #51)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:27 PM

54. You must not have been sitting very close. He had a very large, "flesh" colored bandage

 

on his forehead, partly covered by his baseball cap; and his eye looked swollen shut.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #54)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:55 PM

58. I was in the bleachers

 

I noticed the bandage, but not his eye. I did not have a great view - mostly side profile and the back of his head. I never attended a rally of his before, but he sounded okay to me.
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Response to Ananda62 (Reply #58)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 09:29 PM

61. Well, faces and eyes are known for being areas that bruise a lot,

 

so it's not surprising that this would happen when he needed 7 stitches.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #54)

Mon Mar 18, 2019, 09:23 AM

87. It IS swollen shut. I *knew* it was *much worse* than we were being told. (Screen cap)

 

and his eye looked swollen shut.
It IS swollen shut. I knew it was much worse than we were being told. That's not just an ordinary bump! It looks BAD... very bad! He had to have hit his head HARD!



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Response to Ananda62 (Reply #51)

Mon Mar 18, 2019, 07:43 AM

76. I would expect nothing less from Bernie... to overcome that kind of injury

 

in such a short amount of time, shows the excellent shape he is in.


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Mon Mar 18, 2019, 02:51 PM

92. Actually, he hasn't "overcome" the injury at all. Have you seen the photos?

 

I would expect nothing less from Bernie... to overcome that kind of injury
Actually, he hasn't "overcome" the injury at all. Have you seen the photos?

in such a short amount of time, shows the excellent shape he is in.
It shows nothing of the sort and everyone knows it. In fact, it's very easy to see how much WORSE it's gotten.

It was a MASSIVE impact on his forehead and it was so serious that his EYE is swollen shut and the purple bruising goes all the way down to his cheekbone.

That's what a boxer's black-eye looks like after a prize-fight... so we're talking about some SERIOUS impact. Impacts as forceful as that are very likely to cause a concussion or internal bleeding. It's just INCONCEIVABLE to me that a doctor wouldn't have recommended xrays or scans... as a "precaution".

I feel really sad for him.






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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #92)

Mon Mar 18, 2019, 02:59 PM

93. Yet Bernie keeps going, and going, and going... sucha serious injury & he hasn't slowed down a bit!!

 

Even you have to admit Bernie's health and stamina are off the charts!!


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Mon Mar 18, 2019, 03:00 PM

94. No they're not. Thanks for proving my point. You can't have it both ways.

 

Even you have to admit Bernie's health and stamina are off the charts!!
No they're not. Thanks for proving my point. You can't have it both ways.

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Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:36 PM

56. It is common for people of his advanced age to have falling spells. Maybe it is not

 

in his case but that does happen at his age.
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Sat Mar 16, 2019, 10:49 PM

62. They were claiming it wasn't a fall, but I don't know how else to explain it. n/t

 

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Mon Mar 18, 2019, 07:36 AM

74. Hillary fell so she was "frail." What happened with Bernie is very, very, very different.

 

He did NOT FALL, as per his staff. Twice.
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Sun Mar 17, 2019, 12:37 AM

64. The DNC rigged the shower door! The superdelegates pushed him in to it!

 

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Sun Mar 17, 2019, 10:51 AM

66. Bazinga!

 

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Sun Mar 17, 2019, 02:08 PM

69. ...

 

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Sun Mar 17, 2019, 11:57 AM

68. I've done that

 

my husband once threw out his back washing his hair!

Bernie isn't my first choice, my second, or even my fifth choice this time around, but can't really bash him over this, it is a thing that happens to humans.
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Response to Bettie (Reply #68)

Mon Mar 18, 2019, 07:37 AM

75. There are just some puzzling aspects to how

 

it described to the public.

To discuss that isn't "bashing."
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Mon Mar 18, 2019, 07:47 AM

77. No, that's fine.. but, the suggestion by some - NOT sayin' you - that Bernie might have been drunk

 

to explain why it happened is WAY over the top and qualifies as "bashing," you'd have to admit.


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Mon Mar 18, 2019, 07:51 AM

79. I didn't see that in this thread - granted, it's long. (nt)

 

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78. owie owie owie....

 

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Response to samnsara (Reply #78)

Tue Mar 19, 2019, 08:04 AM

95. I know... so much swelling. So painful. I hope he heals quickly.

 

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