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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:19 PM

1. Has he paid attention at all during the past 10 years?

 

We need a nominee who is not in denial about how awful and uncooperative the Republicans are.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Elizabeth Warren

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:32 PM

10. Either he's delusional or he thinks this is the best way to become president.

 

If it's the latter, so be it. If it's the former, yikes!
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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:00 AM

62. Of course, that's Biden's Strategy.. he

 

did persuade John McCain to vote No on the Repeal of ACA..

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/07/31/report-joe-biden-called-mccain-with-tearful-plea-to-save-obamac/23057819/?

Skya! https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=243674

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Response to Cha (Reply #62)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 11:04 AM

244. Did someone just say that a Democratic vice president wasn't paying attention

 

during a significant portion of his tenure and somebody else then speculate that he might be delusional?



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Response to lapucelle (Reply #244)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 03:22 PM

376. Yeah, not too smart.

 

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 07:27 AM

120. If anyone here thinks that this election can be won

 

With only democratic voters you are sadly mistaken.
It's going to have to take both democrats and repugs votes especially in the swing states.
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Response to Butterflylady (Reply #120)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:11 PM

309. I think you are making a valid and realistic point!

 

Biden wants to unite the country, which is bitterly divided right now.
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Response to Butterflylady (Reply #120)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:26 PM

325. no, not really

 

election absolutely can be won simply by turning out the base.

The republicans do it every election they win. We did it in 08 and 12.
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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #325)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:31 PM

331. Turning out the base in larger numbers than we saw in 2016 is the key to winning in 2020. Period.

 

The vote was suppressed in 2016 for a variety of reasons, including Russia and the fact that Clinton had been the target of a smear campaign for a quarter of a century.

It's a base election, folks. Turn out the base in larger numbers and the impact will be felt everywhere, including in that much-discussed trio of states. Spend some time targeting rural areas in a few key states, but the key is not winning over white male Trump supporters. The key is firing up and turning out the base in much larger numbers. That has to be the primary objective.
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Response to Butterflylady (Reply #120)

Fri Oct 25, 2019, 09:24 AM

478. There are some who definitely live in a bubble. Even Sanders not that long ago was

 

was implying similar things about some trump supporters, realizing the political realities of moving outside his base


The ironic thing is that these "judges" of political correctness ignore is that NOT ONE OF THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEES is going to campaign that they will not try to work with the opposition party, or group them "all as evil", because they realize by doing so they are actually attacking the supporters of those republicans.

Another interesting observation is how many of the same people who are so upset about this, appeared to equally upset when Hillary referred to some of the trump supporters as deplorable, as though that was the worst thing to say.

Yes, some definitely live in a bubble




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Response to Butterflylady (Reply #120)

Tue Dec 31, 2019, 08:17 AM

496. Or just get them to not vote for Trump

 

Biden is taking the anti-deplorable route. He is going out of his way to not criticize Republican voters. I don't think that he is really expecting them to vote for him, but if he can get them to just stay home, he'll win.
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Pete Buttigieg

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Sun Aug 18, 2019, 07:48 AM

127. .

 

Last edited Sun Aug 18, 2019, 03:50 PM - Edit history (1)

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #127)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 07:57 AM

133. Fair enough but I'm not the one calling him delusional...

 

That would be those I responded to.
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Response to Joe941 (Reply #133)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 08:19 AM

138. And you should take your ageist slurs elsewhere as well.

 



Just because someone you don't agree with is a senior it
doesn't automatically make them "senile" as you said.

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 11:21 PM

493. Delusional as in dump delusional? Yeah self delete. nt

 

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:54 PM

58. Got that right!

 


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:20 PM

2. Wonderful!

 

I know many, many people who thought they were Republicans, but are now no longer.

This is not D and R. The fate of this country hangs in the balance. While I think Joe's the right person, there is absolutely no question that I will support the D nominee, whomever he or she is.

Period. Full stop. End of discussion.
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Response to DonaldsRump (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 11:46 PM

495. I'm praying he meant, "There are a lot of really God awful Republicans out there" and misspoke.

 

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:21 PM

3. Look, Joe, saying this is not good.

 

You're living in the past and that sort of bipartisanship just does not exist these days. It's delusional to think that it does.

I will vote for you if you get the nomination, but it won't be the joyous act of a truly committed Democrat. I will be sad for what might have been.

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Pete Buttigieg

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:57 PM

60. I know Joe means well... but, geez, it's not good is right!

 

That's truly the best you can say. It seems that time had passed Joe by... sad to see.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #60)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:28 PM

353. "Sad to see."

 



You forgot your sarcasm tag thingy.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:21 PM

4. Why couldn't the Dems get 60 Senate votes to break filibusters then?

 

It wouldn't have taken more than two or three 'really good Republicans'.
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Response to House of Roberts (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 11:06 AM

246. Thought the same thing.

 


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Response to House of Roberts (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 14, 2019, 08:40 PM

484. And it has only gotten worse.

 

They’ve become more partisan, more entrenched and empowered, regardless of their numbers.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:21 PM

5. List please

 

I'd like a list of those decent republikkans on Capitol Hill.
Because as far as I can tell, none of 'em ae in any position of authority.
The closest in the senate is probably Murkowski. After her is ... no one
As far as the House goes, maybe someone retiring

And as to being intimidated by il douche... they're not good, decent people, they're cowards. Decent people don't do cave and assist people like il douche bag

As someone much smarter than me once said, "It's not the person doing the evil that's the problem, it's the people letting him get away with it that are."
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Response to rpannier (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 06:06 AM

95. Can someone who voted Republican for two-thirds of their life until 1996 be a good, decent person?

 

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Response to Princetonian (Reply #95)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 07:23 AM

119. Of course

 

I can go to a closer period, the early 2000's
I have always thought the Chafee's are good, decent people
I just want to know who these people in congress now are good and decent (Murkowski is a possibility)
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Response to rpannier (Reply #119)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 08:04 AM

135. I understand. Liz has gotten good and decent Republicans to co-sponsor her bills. She would know.

 

Joe spoke through the night with McCain to convince him to vote NO to save ACA/ObamaCare.

All Senators in the Democratic caucus try to reach across the aisle or their bills won't pass. They are in the minority. Elizabeth has a good track record on this:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=243816

Bernie voted with Republicans against undocumented immigrants:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=243799

Joe, merely said what Bernie and Elizabeth already know. I will bet you that a reporter asked Bernie and Elizabeth about what Joe said, they would both agree with Joe.

I believe Pete and Beto would also agree with what Joe said because both are from very red states where they would not have succeeded without appealing to and working with Republicans.
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Response to Princetonian (Reply #135)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 08:12 AM

137. I see your point, andf maybe they would. Maybe not. But, I still want to see a list of who they are

 

Co-sponsoring bills does not equate to anyone thinking the republikkans are good or decent
I don't think FDR or Churchill thought Stalin was a good or decent person, but they made a devil's bargain with him in order to win the war

And as to Mc Cain... he doesn't count any longer as he is no longer in Congress. I want to see who the good and decent people are now
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Response to Princetonian (Reply #95)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:44 AM

222. Anyone who compares repubs of 1996 to what's going on now is delusional

 

Even Reagan worked with O'Neill and things like national security were taken seriously by both sides. To try and compare Warren of 25 years ago to repubs today is a really sleazy way to make a BS "point" just to justify another blunder that makes people question Biden's understanding of our current politics.
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Response to Bradshaw3 (Reply #222)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 06:52 PM

430. the poster is being very disengenuous about Warren, see post 428

 

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287243601#post428

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Response to Celerity (Reply #430)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 07:14 PM

433. Thank you for that great post!

 

Hope you don't mind if I use some of your research in the future if similar tactics are tried.

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Response to Bradshaw3 (Reply #433)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 07:16 PM

434. YW, and feel free to use anything I post whenever/wherever you wish

 

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Response to Bradshaw3 (Reply #222)

Fri Oct 25, 2019, 04:26 PM

482. This! eom

 

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Response to Princetonian (Reply #95)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 06:33 PM

428. If you are referring to Warren, you obviously have done very little research or are just

 

pushing extremely misleading memes. I am not a Warren supporter atm, but I am tired of seeing the same claptrap spread about her for months.


Can someone who voted Republican for two-thirds of their life until 1996 be a good, decent person?



I say that's very misleading,as she was only a registered Repug for around 5 years (1991-96) and the only Rethug POTUS

she voted for was Ford.

1972 McGovern (she hated Nixon)
1976 Ford
1980 Carter (she did not like Reagan)
1984 Mondale
1988 Dukakis
1992 Bill Clinton
1996 (the last year she was a registered Republican, she switched before the 1996 general election) Bill Clinton
2000 Gore
2004 Kerry
2008 Obama
2012 Obama
2016 Hillary Clinton

She registered Repub in PA in 1991 because she like Arlen Specter (ironic as he too changed to Democratic)

Do you also have issues with former Republicans Howard Dean, Leon Panetta, Chris Coons (has Biden's old seat in the Senate), Carolyn McCarthy, Harley Rouda, Gabby Giffords, James Webb, Wendy Davis, Gil Cisneros, Jim Jeffords, Patrick Murphy, and Specter himself, etc.etc etc.? Some of them even ran (oh the HORROR!) for President.



Also, you sure as hell do not see Warren going and giving a 200,000 USD paid speech at a Republican fundraiser for a Republican Representative named Fred Upton ( who had just voted to repeal Obamacare a few months before and also voted to end pre-existing conditions protection ) in Michigan right before the 2018 elections.


More on Warren:


https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/12/elizabeth-warren-profile-young-republican-2020-president-226613

Warren has acknowledged her Republican past before, but she does not often discuss it, or else downplays it. In a recent interview over tea at her home in Cambridge, Massachusetts, she said she assumes the first time she registered as a Democrat was 1996, but added, “I’m not even 100 percent sure what I was registered as.” According to Warren, in the six presidential elections she voted in before 1996, she cast her ballot for just one GOP nominee, Gerald Ford in 1976. She does not talk about her Republican past in either of her books or as part of the biography she recounts in her stump speech; the information often comes as a surprise even to Beltway politicos and longtime Warren allies.



https://thinkprogress.org/why-elizabeth-warren-left-the-gop-e78680711424/

Warren has quickly become a populist hero to liberals. Stephanopoulos, host of ABC’s The Week, noted something in her background that “might surprise” her supporters: the fact that she has voted Republican in the past, and was a registered Republican in Pennsylvania from 1991 to 1996. Warren said she left the party after that because she felt it was siding more and more with Wall Street:

I was an independent. I was with the GOP for a while because I really thought that it was a party that was principled in its conservative approach to economics and to markets. And I feel like the GOP party just left that. They moved to a party that said, “No, it’s not about a level playing field. It’s now about a field that’s gotten tilted.” And they really stood up for the big financial institutions when the big financial institutions are just hammering middle class American families. I just feel like that’s a party that moved way, way away.


Warren’s instincts on the GOP’s sympathy for the big financial institutions proved prescient. Former Senator Phil Gramm (R-TX) spent the 1990s spearheading legislation that made the 2008 financial crisis possible: the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which broke down the firewall between commercial banks and the far riskier investment banks, as well as the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which deregulated the over-the-counter derivatives that played a key role in the 2008 financial collapse. Both bills passed with majority Republican support, though they were also supported by a good deal of Democrats and the Clinton White House.

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She grew up in an FDR Democratic household.

Her first vote the POTUS was AGAINST Nixon in 1972. She did vote for Ford, but liked Carter. She voted Carter in 1980 and Mondale in 1984. In 1988 she voted for Dukakis, and in 1992, Clinton. Obviously voted for Clinton again in 1996 and every other Democrat since then. She registered as a Republican because she had moved to PA and liked Arlen Specter, who also switched to our Party from Republican.

Her first presidential vote, in 1972, had been cast against a man she said she disliked passionately, Richard Nixon. But reflecting on how little she had paid attention to day-to-day politics at the time, she couldn’t immediately recall who had been running against him. When told it was Democrat George McGovern, she said, Yes, she would have voted for him but didn’t have any specific memory of having done so. (She was living in New Jersey at the time.)

Going to the polls, she said, was nothing new for her. Warren’s mother had been a poll worker and brought her young daughter to the polls each Election Day.

Nixon was re-elected that year, of course, but resigned and was replaced by Gerald Ford. Warren said she had voted for him in 1976, believing that “Ford was a decent man.”

But she was happy with Jimmy Carter, who beat him. “I thought he [also] was a decent man,” she said, transferring her then-standard for what she wanted in a politician from Ford to Carter. “He was a really good man.”

As the ’80s wore on and her research on bankruptcy progressed, Warren started waking up politically. At the time, though, the two parties had yet to separate entirely along ideological lines, as some deeply conservative and racist Democrats still held office, as did some genuinely liberal Republicans.

In 1988, Warren voted for Michael Dukakis but, in 1992, split her ticket, voting for Republican Arlen Specter for Senate and Democrat Bill Clinton for president. Specter is a good example of the one-time flexibility of the party system and the politicians within it: He began and ended his career as a Democrat, but was a Republican for much of the middle of it.

By the fall of 1987, she had moved to Pennsylvania and registered there as a Republican. Warren said she couldn’t quite remember why she did it but that she was a fan of Specter. “Again, I thought he was a decent man,” she said. She couldn’t recall whom he ran against. (His Democratic opponent was Lynn Yeakel.)

That GOP registration, though, has set off speculation over the years that one of the Senate’s most progressive champions may have at one time been a Ronald Reagan backer.

So we asked her: Is it true? Is it possible the champion of the regulatory cops on Wall Street voted for the man who made deregulation a hallmark of his presidency?

No.

In 1980, she said, she was a registered independent living in Missouri City, Texas, and cast her vote to re-elect Carter.

When Reagan won, she wasn’t happy but not crushed the way she was on election night in 2016. “I was disappointed and didn’t like him, but I wasn’t deeply worried for the country, not anything like when Trump was elected,” she explained. If she could go back in time, she said, she would tell herself “this was a far more pivotal historical moment than you understand.


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Warren also has the lowest Trump Score in the entire Senate


https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/



compare that to the highest Democrats


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Response to Celerity (Reply #428)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 07:10 PM

432. Wow that slammed the door on that "tactic"

 

Great job of research and fact-based reasoning. As I wrote it was a sleazy tactic the poster was trying but you shut it down for this thread and every other future one. Thanks again for the info.
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Response to Bradshaw3 (Reply #432)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 05:46 PM

462. and yet it is still being done, exact same rot

 

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Response to Celerity (Reply #462)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 08:16 PM

463. Yep, I tried to answer it the other day on another thread

 

Some people aren't going to listen, or they just have their candidate and they feel free to use whatever tactic to attack others.
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Response to Bradshaw3 (Reply #463)

Tue Aug 27, 2019, 08:30 PM

464. I stepped in and back-filled for you on that one (you had mentioned me in your initial reply)

 

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287251645#post293

that is my definitive post de-bunking all the Warren-was-a-Reagan-voting-Rethug tosh (it also has the most up-to-date info too, and goes into the most evidentiary detail)

I should get an honourary Warren badge for the many times I have fought that bollocks, lololol

maybe she picks Pete for her VP if she wins the nomination
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Response to Celerity (Reply #464)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 10:33 AM

465. Thanks, that was some great information

 

It's funny that the attackers will take Warren's word on who she voted for whe it was a repub but not so when she says she voted for Democrats.

Thanks again even though you support another candidate. It shows you are being fair in your assessments of the 2020 field.
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Response to Bradshaw3 (Reply #465)

Wed Aug 28, 2019, 11:18 AM

466. I think it madness to viciously attack other candidates, it only hurts our chances to beat Trump

 

Especially if you piss off other supporters to the point they stay home or vote 3rd party (which they should know better, but the real world is not completely full of political junkies who care passionately.)

ZERO wrong with vetting and asking tough questions about policy, etc. on the other hand. I wish there was more policy debate (not just the ubiquitous MFA tug of war, which even though it is policy, is used a cudgel far too often) and less vitriolic gouging and goring.

Cheap shots, smears, distortions, etc, nope, I have really tried to avoid that. Buttigieg was the victim of that here in the very beginning, but that stopped. The cop shooting in June is what did him in, he was really climbing up the charts when that tragedy occurred, even gaining rapidly with black voters in SC (of all places, his weakest state, he was at 6% and seeming climbing every week or two, up from zero) but that nightmare, and the aftermath, scuppered him for this go-round I am afraid.

He is cursed with being a mayor in a mid-sized city that is too small for one bad thing (like say in NYC or Los Angeles) to get buried, and yet too big for bad shit not to happen. Also, a mayor (especially a mayor in a 'strong' mayoral system like South Bend has) is on the line for all blame in his jurisdiction, unlike a House member or a Senator. A governor, too, but only mostly for statewide big (or potentially big) issues plus corruption, ie, Christie's BridgeGate. No one is slamming the IN governor Eric Holcomb for that cop shooting (they should as Holcomb is a scumbag Rethug who is in the NRA pocket! and helps add to the hate and racism.)
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Response to rpannier (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:55 AM

179. They made a choice

 

Republicans who lived through the cold war chose Russia and Trump in order to get the policies they wanted. That includes many who are still in office. I suppose the NRA figuratively held guns to their heads but intimidation is not enough to forgive or justify giving in and supporting Trump and his agenda.
What would have been a valid point in 2015 can not stand up now. They picked a side and it was not us.
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Response to rpannier (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:33 AM

205. Agree 100%

 

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:21 PM

6. The good people who see nothing, hear nothing, speak nothing, and defend Trump at every turn.

 

Do you really have to praise Republicans in a Democratic primary, Joe?
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Response to dalton99a (Reply #6)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:11 PM

454. He also dissed the Democratic challenger

 

in the race against Upton-R by not responding to his request to say something positive about him too.

That was in 2018---when Democrats were desperately trying to take back the House and gain a foothold in order to stop or slow down Trump's destruction of our country.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:26 PM

7. no, there IS NOT

 

anyone who supports a party that is homophobic, misogynist, xenophobic, anti-science, anti-worker etc IS NOT A GOOD PERSON
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Response to Skittles (Reply #7)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 06:04 AM

94. Is someone who volunteered for Goldwater & was/voted Republican until 1996 NOT A GOOD PERSON?

 

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Response to Princetonian (Reply #94)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 03:51 PM

389. it's what you are *NOW* that counts

 

if you're still supporting the Greedy Old Pig Party:
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Response to Princetonian (Reply #94)

Mon Sep 9, 2019, 06:00 AM

468. this is flat out rubbish, Warren did not volunteer for Goldwater and the only Repug POTUS candidate

 

she ever voted for was Ford in 1976. Warren was 14 years old when Goldwater officially launched his campaign in 1964. I think you are trying to conflate Warren with Hillary Clinton, who was indeed a Goldwater supporter (although she was too young to vote in 1964, and she had switched to supporting the Democrats by 1968.)

full detail is here:

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:30 PM

8. Joe Biden is one of the very few that can and will reach across the aisle

 

to work with the closeted "never drumpfers". Hell Joe might even get a drumpf supporter or few to work with him on legislation AFTER Joe is elected President.
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Response to democratisphere (Reply #8)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:40 PM

53. Yes.

 

Bye, all.
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Response to democratisphere (Reply #8)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:40 AM

215. Yeah! He might even put a few in his cabinet

 

<<sarcasm>>
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Response to SharonClark (Reply #215)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:42 AM

217. Doubtful. nt

 

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Response to SharonClark (Reply #215)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:56 AM

236. You never know what you might find in the rethuglicon closet.

 

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #8)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:05 PM

301. Which ones will vote for the public option he wants? N/t

 

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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #301)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:51 PM

341. Got to start somewhere.

 

Eventually Medicare for all will become the reality, but not going to happen to start.
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Response to democratisphere (Reply #8)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:15 PM

314. Which ones will vote for the public option he wants? N/t

 

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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #314)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:59 PM

344. The same ones who are going to vote for Warren's and Sanders' Medicare-for-all. Boom!!!

 

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Response to Skya Rhen (Reply #344)

Tue Aug 20, 2019, 12:20 AM

456. To be fair, Sanders consistently says

 

that no real change is possible without a massive increase in citizen participation in politics. I've heard a lot less from Biden on what conditions are needed to get his priorities passed.
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Response to BlueWI (Reply #456)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 03:09 PM

469. The Public Option, even if we hold the House, and take back the Senate by say 51-49 or so, will not

 

pass. It too is a pipe dream, unfortunately. The electoral map has been so artificially skewed to the right that there are at least 50 centrists in the House and probably 5 Dem Senators (or more) who will never vote for it. Big Healthcare, Big Insurance, and Big Pharma will drop in hundreds of millions to fight it, just like they did the last time. They already are bashing even Biden's plan. There are trillions upon trillions of dollars at stake, they will stop at nothing to crush even the PO.
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Response to Celerity (Reply #469)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 06:18 PM

470. Good points as usual!

 

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Response to BlueWI (Reply #470)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 07:21 PM

471. thanks, and I take zero pleasure in playing the role of the pessimist, our healthcare system

 

is one giant wealth extraction scheme. At current rates of increase we are going to be spending close to 6 trillion USD per year by 2027, 2028. That is madness. I see some posts that claim there are hardly any profits being carved out now, which is simply ludicrous. In the past 10 years, we have spent around 33 trillion dollars. ONE health insurance firm alone (UnitedHealth Group) has made over 66 billion dollars in net profits over that time span, 12 billion USD in 2018 alone, 22.5 billion in the last 2 years, and are on track to make 150-160 (or more as they continue to expand so scales of economy will act as multipliers) billion USD combined net PROFIT between 2019 and 2028. That is RAPACIOUS, and it is mostly skimmed off of the middleman role of for-profit INSURANCE.

Look at the massive difference between what the US spends per capita versus the rest of the nations, and the gap is only going to get larger.



The only way this system gets fixed, given the current political/structural landscape is more than likely via partial systemic collapse, as there is simply no way this rate of cost/profit increase can continue decade after decade. The ACA cost increases where back-loaded to kick in starting around 2017 or so and forward. That year is when, for example, United Health's profits exploded. Citizens United and other endemic factors have opened the spigot to the raw buying and regulatory capture of our entire political/governmental superstructure by Big Healthcare, Big Pharma, and Big Insurance. That is only being exacerbated under the odious Trump administration's deregulatory schemes, which if they get their big 'win' at SCOTUS level and the entire ACA is trashed, will expedite this entire situation even more timeframe-wise towards a catastrophic outcome.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:31 PM

9. Here we go. Our daily dose of Biden Bashing.

 

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Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:53 PM

25. What does this OP contribute on a site named "Democratic Underground"? Don't understand the point.

 

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Response to George II (Reply #25)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:09 PM

35. It pushed public opinion to favor other candidates in the primary.

 

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #35)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:16 PM

40. This isn't going to hurt Biden. It'll just be one more trivial complaint by people opposed to him

 

anyway.
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #40)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:28 PM

47. +1000

 

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Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:22 AM

67. Not likely at all nt

 

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Response to George II (Reply #9)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 11:28 AM

268. What is wrong with getting the other side to vote for you and my brother is GOP still love him

 

and he is not a bad person...he says he will vote for Biden ...hates Trump now.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #268)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:01 PM

346. Thanks - you are a voice of reason!

 

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Response to George II (Reply #9)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 11:40 AM

279. All designed to divide us, and it is working...I know who is doing it on twitter and HERE

 

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:37 PM

12. Sounds like cuts to "entitlements" to me.

 

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #12)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:48 PM

20. Biden will never cut Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security. You are taking a leap. NT

 

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #12)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:54 PM

27. "Entitlements", which is a right wing term anyway, aren't even mention anywhere here.

 

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #12)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:12 PM

37. Well, of course it does.. but you're wrong.

 

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #12)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:43 AM

218. I'm baffled. What logic did you use to get to that conclusion?

 

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #12)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 02:19 PM

445. Sounds: That's what happens when we hear rather than listen.

 

Sometimes though, listening to a thing is much more effective and informative than simply hearing a thing. But I get it... listening objectively often denies us our narrative.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:38 PM

13. The are either cowards or willingly complicit in the attempted murder of democracy.

 

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:39 PM

14. Nobody here knows 1/10000000 what Joe knows about Congress so I trust him.

 

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:39 PM

15. WTF? Not any more. They are the cult of trump. Not helpful, Joe. And, not true.

 

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:41 PM

16. These paragraphs are the most important from that article:

 

But, Biden, who leveraged his decades serving in the Senate to help become one of the Obama administration’s chief negotiators on Capitol Hill, has maintained that reaching across the aisle is the only way to implement long-lasting change.

“If you start off with the notion there's nothing you can do, well why don't you all go home then, man? Or let's start a real physical revolution if you're talking about it. Because we have to be able to change what we're doing within our system,” Biden said in June.



He's right.

We're probably going to need votes from a lot of people registered as Republicans, but disgusted with Trump, to have an electoral college victory, and not just a popular vote victory, in 2020.

And we're probably going to need cooperation from some Republicans, even if we have a narrow Democratic majority in the Senate, to get major pieces of legislation through Congress.

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #16)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:46 PM

17. +1, Biden obviously realizes there are Never Trumpers

 

out there.
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Response to R B Garr (Reply #17)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:04 PM

31. Biden is optimistic about getting future

 

votes from repubs on something he'll want passed.

He's not automatically discounting them. The opposite would be to diss them as hopeless.. that's not Biden.

RB
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Response to Cha (Reply #31)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:13 PM

38. Yes! They are not going anywhere, so poaching a few of

 

them is useful and necessary to actually winning and getting things going.

Hi Cha!
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Response to R B Garr (Reply #38)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:16 PM

39. Hi RB!

 

Biden already said he "..was going to get into trouble for this..".. and this is it. lol

Aloha!

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #16)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:47 PM

18. "why don't you all go home then, man"

 

One of the under-appreciated and IMHO adorable quirks of Joe Biden is that he still uses "man", as in, "Groovy, man".

Hey man, here's some cool cats for you on a Saturday night....



So, let's dig that beat, Daddy-O.
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Response to jberryhill (Reply #18)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:50 PM

22. Whole lot better than some of the language I see thrown around on social media. NT

 

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #18)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:03 PM

29. Obama does, too.

 

Check out this White House transcript of his remarks at the 2012 WHCD:

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2012/04/29/remarks-president-white-house-correspondents-association-dinner

Chuck Todd -- love you, brother. (Laughter.) I’m delighted to see some of the cast members of Glee are here. (Laughter.) And Jimmy Kimmel, it’s an honor, man. (Laughter.) What’s so funny?


Now, I know at this point many of you are expecting me to go after my likely opponent, Newt Gingrich. (Laughter.) Newt, there's still time, man.




I haven't noticed him using the word that way as often as Biden does, but I know I've heard him use it lots of times when speaking casually.
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #29)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:05 PM

33. That's right.. I remember Pres Obama

 

saying "man" now!
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #29)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:09 PM

34. That's funny

 


Come to think of it, yeah he did do that.
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #16)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:48 PM

19. "If you start off with the notion there's nothing you can do, well why don't you all go home then,..

 

man?"

Thanks for these, highplainsdem!
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #16)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:55 PM

28. C'mon man, rational and sensible interpretation? What are you thinking?

 

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #16)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 07:07 AM

113. He is right. But he should save this rhetoric for the general election if he is the nominee.

 

Our candidate will need to appeal to independents and unhappy Republicans. We can't just scrape by with a win; it must be an overwhelming win to overcome the forces that will be acting against us in the election.

Working across the aisle - if it can still be accomplished - would be the way to bring us back into having a functioning democracy, which would be to all our benefits. Biden knows what that looks like and he has the personality to try and make it work. Perhaps pointing that out is helping elicit donors.

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #16)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:17 AM

171. So then if it had been

 

Harris who said this first, about good republicans, you would back her up and defend what she said?
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Response to Andy823 (Reply #171)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:20 AM

197. Of course NOT!

 


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #16)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:12 AM

191. Agree! For Biden to just immediately say all repubs area shit and not going to consider them??

 

Really??!! How’s that gonna work when we, the Dems DESPERATELY need one or 2 of their votes.

Please explain... I will wait for your answer
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #16)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:39 PM

438. I like the second paragraph in that quote

 

it is quite accurate.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:50 PM

21. Great OP. Joe is a real statesman who knows how to build a coalition government.

 

The Obama coalition included Obama Republicans. Does anyone here think any Democratic candidate will beat Trump with just Democrats given independents are the largest voting bloc?
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Response to Princetonian (Reply #21)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:52 PM

24. That it did. Obama sent Joe in to negotiate--and Joe helped Obama get done what he wanted doing.

 

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:50 PM

23. USED to be, Joe. Used to be. You want to invite them in now? Because they always leave our

 

cleaned up house the way they find it, right?

That's what they tell you, Joe. Don't believe them. That's what they want you to think: "Not all of us are like Trump!"

It's part of their Lucy with the football promise of bipartisanship.

They're not intimidated, Joe. They're just the coward faction full of fearful sentimentalists who will support tyrants, so their shriveled hearts can feel great again about being better than somebody.

They will never return to bipartisanship again, Joe.

"For as long as we live and breathe" say the Koch brothers, who OWN them. Don't take your old bipartisan knife to a Koch fight.

That's what it's come to, man.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:53 PM

26. I'll take build on Obama's legacy please. Nt

 

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Response to BootinUp (Reply #26)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:49 AM

229. The Legacy that those 'good' republicans are successfully tearing apart?

 

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Response to SharonClark (Reply #229)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:30 PM

330. The legacy that will help

 

Win this next election big, huge even.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:03 PM

30. That's what Americans want to hear.

 

Most people think both sides are too partisan and why government doesn't work. I know it's hard for us to hear because but that's what the American people say they want.
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Response to betsuni (Reply #30)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:19 PM

42. Most of the non-voters I know think both parties are the same

 

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Response to Ponietz (Reply #42)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:23 PM

44. Yes, I shouldn't have said voters, I changed it. I meant Americans in general.

 

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Response to betsuni (Reply #30)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:24 PM

46. And that's why Biden is leading in all of the national polls...

 

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Response to betsuni (Reply #30)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:51 PM

56. yeah, no candidate who is actually running for office is going to say something different.

 

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Response to JI7 (Reply #56)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:53 PM

57. Then how come he's the only one say this?

 

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Response to melman (Reply #57)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:00 AM

61. because he gets more republican votes than others

 

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Response to JI7 (Reply #61)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:07 AM

64. Like the BlueWave House Victory in

 

2018 when over 40 Red seats were Flipped to BLUE!
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Response to Cha (Reply #64)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:45 AM

223. +10 to the 256th power.

 

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Response to melman (Reply #57)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 11:22 AM

262. Because he knows there will come a day when those 1-2 gop votes may mean the difference

 

Between keeping SS, Medicare or Medicaid. So he’s telling the voters what he is about.

It would be great to throw all the m...fuc...res to the wolves. I’m sure he thinks so too, at times. So there you have it....the game of politics.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:05 PM

32. Oh my goodness

 

That is an unfortunate statement.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:10 PM

36. Sure... why there's Bob Dole, Dick Lugar, Arlen Spector... lots of them

 

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #36)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 03:36 AM

82. Two of them are dead

 

And Bob Dole will likely be joining them soon.

Id like Joe to list the Republicans he thinks are "good people", aside from those who are already Never Trump.

There aren't really good people on both sides of this debate. And those like Scaramucci and Omarosa are opportunists who want to get off the sinking ship first to save themselves.
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Response to jberryhill (Reply #36)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 02:21 PM

446. Our closely-guarded narratives often force us to cherry-pick.

 

But I get it... objectivity is often something to overcome rather than accept.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:19 PM

41. Case in point - Joe helped to convince McCain (a decent Republican) to "thumbs down" the repeal of

 

Obamacare.

This is the reason that we still have the ACA today - a vital piece of legislation that is saving lives. This is real stuff and Joe knows what he is talking about.


*************************************************************************************

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/07/31/report-joe-biden-called-mccain-with-tearful-plea-to-save-obamac/23057819/?


Did Joe Biden convince John McCain to save Obamacare?

That's the conclusion some are drawing after a report from the Washington Post stated Senator McCain was called by former Vice President Biden, who made an emotional plea to vote against the "skinny" repeal of Obamacare.

Biden purportedly reflected on the death of his son Beau Biden, who died of the same brain cancer McCain has been diagnosed with.

Former Senator Joe Lieberman also reportedly called McCain ahead of the vote. With the drama of a thumbs down gesture, McCain effectively killed the republicans' seven-year efforts to repeal and/or replace Obamacare, at least for now.

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Response to Skya Rhen (Reply #41)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:28 PM

48. Yes, we have Obamacare bc Biden Convinced

 

McCain to vote No!

Thank you, Skya!
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Response to Skya Rhen (Reply #41)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:43 PM

54. +1

 

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Response to Skya Rhen (Reply #41)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 04:08 AM

85. +1,000,000

 

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:21 PM

43. Well, Republicans are an awful lot!!!!!

 

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:23 PM

45. Adam Parkhomenko

 










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Response to melman (Reply #45)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:34 PM

51. Joe was VP for 8 years. Parkhomenko presided over a failed presidential campiagn.

 

Who should I believe?
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Response to Princetonian (Reply #51)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:50 AM

70. Merrick Garland.

 

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Response to delisen (Reply #70)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 04:39 AM

87. Yeah, Biden couldn't make moscow mitch

 

hold a vote.
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Response to delisen (Reply #70)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 06:52 AM

109. Joe was not referring to Moscow Mitch, who is why Republicans have been intimidated.

 

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:31 PM

49. McCain.. We ACA bc Biden convinced McCain to vote NO..

 

Mahalo, Skya! https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=243674
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:32 PM

50. i guess if you include the dead ones going back to Lincoln

 

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:36 PM

52. Biden carries a big unity stick. How refreshing!

 

Next thing you know, clean fun could be brought back into politics.
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Response to Deb (Reply #52)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:03 AM

63. Good way to put it, Deb.. "Biden carries a big

 

unity stick."

He's an optimistic kinda guy.. he imagines it's possible.. that he can create it.

I wouldn't want to say.. No You Can't to the VP.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:45 PM

55. good and republicans should never be used in the same sentience. nt

 

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:09 AM

65. How did that "grand bargain" with Obama and the Rethugs work out?

 

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:21 AM

66. Instead of saying.. ".. there's No hope for

 

repubs.. end of story".. he's being optimistic and leaving the door open.

He did help persuade McCain to vote NO on ACA repeal.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:36 AM

68. smart !! We need to get the small fraction of Republicans who are 1/2 sane !

 

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #68)

Mon Dec 30, 2019, 11:24 PM

494. It's called good politicking !!!! nt

 

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:39 AM

69. Biden believes what he said...

 

although I expect he’ll walk it back in the next day or so. Even though he believes it, he can’t go around saying it if he’s going to win the Democratic nomination.

While I don’t think he ultimately wins the Democratic nomination, his quote comes across as one you’d make if you thought you had it in the bag. It was a total general election thing to say.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:07 AM

71. What I find amusing is when Sanders said pretty much the same thing a while back, many of the

 

same folks complaining now had no problem with that, and ironically when Hillary referred to many republicans as deplorable, the usual suspects were there condemning her for voicing such a thing

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Selective memory is quite interesting among some

Nothing to see here though



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Response to still_one (Reply #71)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:15 AM

72. Was thinking exactly the same thing.

 

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Response to betsuni (Reply #72)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:29 AM

74. I would expect some of the more "outraged" in this thread will be disappointed indeed if any

 

Democratic candidate who does NOT go into full attack mode against registered Republicans will be equally “outraged”

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Response to still_one (Reply #71)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 02:03 AM

79. +1

 

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Response to still_one (Reply #71)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 02:47 AM

81. Link?

 

"pretty much the same" isn't the same.
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Response to Lordquinton (Reply #81)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 03:38 AM

83. Its there, but I will give you a better link where Sanders doesn't think trump voters are racists,

 

sexists or homophobes

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/326820-sanders-defends-trump-voters-i-dont-think-theyre-racists

"pretty much the same: isn't the same

LOL

It isn't only the same, its worse


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Response to still_one (Reply #71)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 06:22 AM

98. Interesting indeed

 

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Response to still_one (Reply #71)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 07:16 AM

114. I was never comfortable with the 'deplorable' label.

 

Although I never voiced that here since people were so pleased with it.

I like believing in and seeking to bring out the better sides of (almost) all people. I really like that Joe Biden has that same kind of belief in the potential goodness of people.
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Response to Chemisse (Reply #114)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 07:41 AM

123. I agree. It may be "feel good" catharsis for one's followers, but generalizations

 

like that serve very little purpose
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Response to still_one (Reply #71)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 11:16 AM

255. Voters vs legislators. Not the same to.

 

But I agree that Sanders was wrong. Republican voters are either utterly ignorant of what is going on or they are in fact enthusiastically supporting fascism.
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Response to still_one (Reply #71)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 03:59 PM

390. Can we make it to 400 posts? There's still time.

 

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Response to still_one (Reply #71)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 08:48 PM

490. Fascinating.

 

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:22 AM

73. "There's an awful lot of really good Republicans out there,"

 

...but there's an awful lot more really bad republicans out there...most republicans are scum...

...does he really want to be our President?

...unbelievable...

...
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Response to myohmy2 (Reply #73)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:39 AM

76. This is Biden's consistent message. Would you recommend Sanders to say that there's an awful lot

 

more of really bad republicans out there and for him to say that most are scum. Do you believe that would be a winning message that would bring up Sanders' poll numbers.

Just asking, because this might just be a winning strategy for his campaign.
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Response to Skya Rhen (Reply #76)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 08:00 AM

134. Yes!

 

...we tried your way with a corporate establishment candidate and lost...

...now it's time to try a non-corporate non-establishment candidate and win...

...it's only fair...

...
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Response to myohmy2 (Reply #73)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 02:24 PM

447. "I do not believe that most of the people who are thinking about voting for Mr. Trump are racist..."

 

"I do not believe that most of the people who are thinking about voting for Mr. Trump are racist..." Sen B Sanders

My guess is you'll pretend a distinction lacking a relevant difference. But that's only a guess.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:38 AM

75. Sorry but no, no. Intimidated? Leave the damn party.

 

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #75)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 03:42 AM

84. Who are you suggesting to "leave the party"?

 

How do you feel about a campaign that hires people who voted for Jill Stein to high positions in his campaign, and have no regret doing so

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:40 AM

77. Fine, but that shouldn't be a major campaign theme for any Democrat

 

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:49 AM

78. To be fair - they are an awful lot

 

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 02:21 AM

80. This is asinine -- McConnell is not going to work with Biden any more than he worked with Obama...

 

And Biden+VP are not going to succeed at pulling individual Repuke Senators away from McConnell any better than Obama+Biden did -- which is to say "not at all when doing so made a meaningful difference."

And if anyone wants to object that Biden was talking about more just than the Senate, well working with the "other team" is fucking pointless in the House because you never need more than the simple majority. You either have it, and you get your shit done, or you don't and the other side owns the Speakership and pulls a McTurtle-style maximal-obstructionist act. Does Biden not remember how Boehner and Ryan operated?

If Biden wants to say something conciliatory about Republican *voters*, that would be one thing. Maybe that's a campaign strategy of some kind, to court GOPers who have soured on Trump. But he didn't. He talked about *Capitol Hill*. That means *elected Repukes*, not the people who voted for them.

Biden should stick to explanations of the advantages of a Biden presidency which are based in reality. Calling Congressional GOPers "decent people" is a goddamned lie -- Democratic candidates should leave that behavior to Trump.
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Response to RockRaven (Reply #80)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 04:40 AM

88. Who says moscow mitch is definitely going to

 

be in the Senate then?
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Response to RockRaven (Reply #80)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 04:53 AM

89. Well, Senator Sanders' idea to get McConnell to do the right thing is to hold rallies.

 

When asked by Rachel Maddow what he would do as president if McConnell still held the majority in the senate, he said, "I would be in Kentucky holding a rally with tens of thousands of people ... . We're going to rally the American people in Kentucky. We're going to rally the American people in Mississippi. We're gong to rally the American people in South Carolina to demand that their representative -- I know this is a radical idea -- actually do what the American people want."

Why would McConnell be bothered by rallies.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 04:17 AM

86. He wants their votes. I get it .

 

I don't like that he said it, but I get it.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 04:57 AM

90. He has a point; unfortunately, MOST of them are dead...

 

Last edited Sun Aug 18, 2019, 08:26 AM - Edit history (1)

There are a few Never Trumpers with whom I can agree to disagree, even though I would never fully trust.
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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #90)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 06:18 AM

96. Warren found "really good" Republicans to co-sponsor her bills and has a good record of doing this.

 

In fact, Elizabeth Warren has found Republican Senators to co-sponsor some of her bills (ranked 4th among Democrats) and has a very good track record of doing this in the most recent records available (115th Congress).

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/elizabeth_warren/412542/report-card/2018

Elizabeth actually walks the walk.


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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 05:28 AM

91. What if Joe was/voted Republican until 1996?

 

What if Joe had been Republican for the first two-thirds of his life?

What if one of Joe's best friends in high school described him as "a diehard conservative" back then?

What if Joe had volunteered for Barry Goldwater, the iconic template for modern conservatism?

What if Joe had remained a Republican despite the fact that Nixon vetoed a plan for national, subsidized child care in 1971?

What if one of Joe's neighbors who he used to carpool with in the 80's said he was sometimes surprisingly anti-consumer in his attitude?

What if he only became involved in politics in 2012?
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 05:44 AM

92. Were they also intimidated from 2008-2015?

 

When they obstructed everything?

Biden is talking utter bullshit. He might think this is a good way to get elected. But if he actually believes this he is delusional.

By the way he is talking about legislators not voters, and the only example anyone has come up with in this thread is the deceased McCain.

Biden: stuck in a mythical past.
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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #92)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 05:59 AM

93. Without Joe, ObamaCare would be dead. He spoke to McCain until they were both crying...

 

... begging McCain to vote NO on that crucial vote which was dramatically televised.

Which McCain did.
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Response to Princetonian (Reply #93)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 08:45 AM

149. Again, all these wonderful Republican legislators

 

apparently consist of one dead Senator who managed once, at the very end of his life, to do the right thing.
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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #149)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:55 AM

178. Um, Collins and Murkowski also saved ObamaCare.

 

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Response to Princetonian (Reply #178)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 11:07 AM

247. ok so we are down to 2 breathing legislators

 

Meanwhile the rest of the Republican caucus in both chambers are lockstep full fascist votes.

Neither Collins or Murkowski voted against Kavanaugh, and they are both dependable gop votes in the senate, Collins at 68% and Murkowski at 74%. This is the ‘fertile ground’ Biden can tend to build the grand coalition Obama utterly failed to build for 8 years. Good luck with that.

What we need is to vote these fuckers out, not pander to them.
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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #247)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:13 PM

348. Discussing how he would build legislative consensus at a private fundraiser is not "pandering".

 

It is likely someone asked Joe how he was going to pass legislation. Joe was crucial in saving ObamaCare. He spent all night convincing McCain to vote NO.

No one is disputing we need more Senators. Have you contacted Bullock to urge him to runfor the Senate? I have and hope he will drop out in the next couple of months to run for Senator.

Thank goodness Hickenlooper dropped out to run for Senator.

No way Pete can win a Senate seat in Indiana.

Beto is not considering another run as Senator. Cornyn is a tough one to unseat.

Anyone else?
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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #149)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:36 AM

208. Bingo

 

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 06:20 AM

97. Oh Joe...

 

Very disappointing.
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Response to Joe941 (Reply #97)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 06:27 AM

100. Bernie voted with Republicans against undocumented immigrants.

 

How do you feel about Sanders exciting admiration from Steve King, who doesn't see anything wrong with the term "white nationalist and who thinks most of us got here via rape and incest?

It is notable that Representative Steve King... admired Bernie's position on immigration.


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Response to Princetonian (Reply #100)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 06:28 AM

102. What is appalling is bidens praise and working with segregationists

 

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #102)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 06:31 AM

104. Bernie must agree w/Joe. He voted w/Republicans against undocumented immigrants.

 

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=243799
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 06:27 AM

99. Is this like his praising his working relationship with segregationists?

 

And the civility they showed each other?
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Response to Joe941 (Reply #99)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 06:33 AM

105. Bernie has a working relationship with Republicans who voted against undocumented immigrants.

 

And he voted with them:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=243799
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Response to Princetonian (Reply #105)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 06:35 AM

106. Trying to make this about Bernie huh?

 

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #106)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 06:38 AM

107. Joe, Bernie & Elizabeth must agree on this. They have all worked with Republicans.

 

Joe spoke through the night with McCain to convince him to vote NO to save ACA/ObamaCare.

All Senators in the Democratic caucus try to reach across the aisle or their bills won't pass. They are in the minority. Elizabeth has a good track record on this:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=243816

Some, like Bernie, has voted with Republicans against undocumented immigrants:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=243799

Others, like Joe, merely say what Bernie and Elizabeth already know. I will bet you that a reporter asked Bernie and Elizabeth about what Joe said, they would both agree with Joe.

Ditto Pete and Beto, both from very red states where they would not have succeeded without appealing to and working with Republicans.
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Response to Joe941 (Reply #106)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 08:45 AM

148. There's nothing else.

 

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Response to Autumn (Reply #148)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 11:31 AM

272. Talking about Steyer's bid for POTUS?

 

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Response to Princetonian (Reply #272)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 02:16 PM

364. Talking about how people who don't want to discuss their candidate always deflect to another.

 

Sad to say but I think when that happens it's because people know the support for their chosen candidate, whoever that might be, must be very soft.
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Response to Autumn (Reply #364)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 03:38 PM

384. Speaking of support, what's Steyer polling at now? A hard 0.5%?

 

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Response to Princetonian (Reply #384)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 04:30 PM

407. It's all good. A lot of candidates are just as low or lower. The race has just begun.

 

So far he's not had to walk anything back, no "misspeaks" and he knows what he's talking about.
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Response to Joe941 (Reply #106)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 11:24 AM

263. Hi Joe, I believe you were the one that changed the subject

 

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #99)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 07:39 AM

122. Why Bernie Sanders Loves the Most Conservative Man in the Senate (by Daily Beast)

 

“Jim is a climate-change denier. He is really, really conservative, but you know what, he is a decent guy and I like him, and he and I are friends,” Sanders told CNN’s Jake Tapper.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-bernie-sanders-loves-the-most-conservative-man-in-the-senate?ref=scroll
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 06:28 AM

101. Sad to say I have many republicans in my family but they are not horrible people.

 

Yes we disagree on politics but they are not hateful people. We can't lump everyone one together.
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Response to FloridaBlues (Reply #101)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 06:30 AM

103. Do they support tRump?

 

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #103)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 07:18 AM

116. Yes some of them still support trump we just stopped talking politics

 

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Response to FloridaBlues (Reply #116)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 07:20 AM

117. I hear ya...

 

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Response to FloridaBlues (Reply #116)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:48 AM

228. I understand that they're family, but if they STILL support Trump, an open racist...

 

...I can not imagine that they are "good" people.

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Response to FloridaBlues (Reply #101)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 06:52 AM

111. Yep, I have same situation.

 

We dont talk politics to avoid arguments. I think they might have voted for Trump in 2016 but seem to regret it now.
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Response to FloridaBlues (Reply #101)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 08:48 AM

152. Are they legislators?

 

Biden was speaking about Republican legislators, and how he can work with them because they are secretly wonderful people who are just intimidated by Trump.

This is a dangerously wrong perspective.
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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #152)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:38 AM

211. Thank you for the clarity when some try to muddy the water.

 

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #152)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 11:26 AM

267. Yes, thank you!! It is a dangerously wrong perspective

 

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #152)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:17 PM

350. When Joe said there are good Republicans out there - obviously he meant those around the country.

 

Hence the term "out there". He then went on to talk specifically about those in congress. He spoke about the two groups.



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Response to Skya Rhen (Reply #350)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 03:34 PM

382. Er no, he was specifically referring to legislators.

 

“They’re decent people. They ran because they care about things, but they’re intimidated right now.”
- from the op.

And he has made this claim repeatedly. He brags about his allegedly vaunted ability to work with our fascists. Of course he doesn’t refer to them as fascists. All of our candidates ought to start doing that. They are. We are in serious danger worldwide of a global fascist overthrow of liberal democracy, but our leaders are afraid to speak about it.
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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #382)

Sat Aug 31, 2019, 07:11 AM

467. +1

 

I am still waiting for a list of them.

He did say 'There's an awful lot of really good Republicans out there'

that means a large number


I would say instead 'They ARE a truly AWFUL lot' roflmaoooo.

Every last one of them will stab him and the nation in the back, especially the Senate under the whip-hand of Moscow Mitch.
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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #382)

Thu Nov 14, 2019, 05:56 PM

483. still waiting for that list, lol

 

(not from you, obviously)

see 467
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 06:50 AM

108. This will help us in the general.

 

Many moderate Republican voters dont trust Democrats.. they think we are going to take their guns away and force extreme liberal policies on them. Its absurd but they have been brainwashed by RW media. But when Joe makes comments like this it will give some of them comfort in voting for a Democrat.

Joe knows what he is doing.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 06:52 AM

110. Ok Joe

 

Did they support Reagan, Bush, Bush 2, Trump? Joe needs to quit this bullshit. I'm going to be frank here. When he says "good Republicans" All I hear is white people, white people PLEASE PLEASE vote for me It's ok that you don't really believe in diversity, or judicial fairness, or anything other than your own narrow interests; Papa Joe forgives ya.

Every white person that says "well I have republicans that I know and they aren't bad people. All I'm hearing is "I don't really care that these fuckers vote for people who are perfectly ok with me(a brown person) being marginalized, jailed and perhaps killed; just as long as I know that my place is along the fringes of "proper" society. I mean, as long as they can use those 3 extra nickels they get to pay for the "hidden" republican surcharge on everything; then their ok.

God forbid it goes to pay for any service or program a brown person might use in this country. Hell, it doesn't even matter to them that they are the primary users of said services. I mean that's the fucking kick of it. They are willing to KILL themselves to KILL me, but yes. These are all fine and up standing people that need to have their hands patted and told everything is fine.


I like Biden, but he needs to cut this shit out. I understand the game. He doesn't have to go out there and denigrate these evil bastards but this pitty pat "very fine people on both sides" bullshit needs to stop. If he's the candidate I vote for him. I won't even have to hold my nose to do it but for fucks sake I wish he'd stop with this revisionist history of the modern republican party and stop insulting me.
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Response to Afromania (Reply #110)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:58 AM

240. Agree 100%

 

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Response to Afromania (Reply #110)

Tue Aug 20, 2019, 12:16 AM

455. +10,000

 

Good people on both sides, anyone?

It is certainly possible to draw a contrast between Republicans and Democrats without minimizing the long-term cost of Republican intransigence. But Biden has not shown the communication skills to do this IMO.
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Response to Afromania (Reply #110)

Tue Aug 20, 2019, 06:14 AM

457. I don't think it's an act - it's who he really is

 

He's stuck in the 80s and thinks that "working" with the republicans is an *awesome* thing.
The republicans know its a joke, and he's going to erode his base - especially progressives and even "reasonable" dems.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 07:02 AM

112. Remember Joe,

 

Watch what they do not what they say.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 07:16 AM

115. He is out of touch with the current state of the gop

 

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #115)

Tue Nov 19, 2019, 08:33 PM

488. Actual Republican Senators: "We have worked with Joe Biden and would do it again."

 


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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 07:22 AM

118. Wrong.

 

Never ever trust a Republican, old segregationist or anyone who even watches Fox News. This is a resurgence of the One America shit which did not work out so well for Obama. A care taker President Biden is vastly better than the horror we are living through today. A President who mouths these platitudes may get elected but will crucified daily. I am willing to accept the boring as a break in the terror of the last two years. Nothing anyone says will ever make me respect Republicans especially after Trump.

I may support old Uncle Joe but my pittance goes to Democratic Candidates down ticket.
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Response to gordianot (Reply #118)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 07:52 AM

130. Bobby Kennedy trusted Joe McCarthy enough to work for him and attend his funeral.

 

"Larry Tye is the author of seven books, including "Bobby Kennedy: The Making of a Liberal Icon," due out July 5 from Random House. This is an excerpt from the book, provided by the author."

Robert Francis Kennedy had worked as an aide to McCarthy for seven months before political and personal calculations made him step aside...the early Bobby Kennedy embraced the overheated anticommunism of the 1950s and openly disdained liberals.

(Americans might have been misled about Bobby's politics, but not the Soviets. "Kennedy is an ultra, an apostle of anti-Communism, who pursues the laurels of McCarthy and Dulles," according to Za Rubezhom, a Soviet magazine covering political news.)

His job with the Republican senator from Wisconsin not only launched Bobby's career but injected into his life passion and direction that had been glaringly absent. McCarthy's zeal, extreme though it was, fired Kennedy's ambition for years to come.

He quit McCarthy not because he rejected McCarthyism, but because his advancement was stymied by conflict with fellow staffers. While he did work for the senator for just seven and a half months in 1953, their ties went back a number of years, and they lasted until Bobby made his last visit to McCarthy shortly before the senator died.


"When Bobby Kennedy slipped into Appleton for Joe McCarthy's funeral" (Milwaukee-Wisconsin Journal Sentinal)
http://archive.jsonline.com/greensheet/when-bobby-kennedy-slipped-into-appleton-for-joe-mccarthys-funeral-b99752133z1-384880911.html
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Response to Princetonian (Reply #130)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 08:23 AM

139. I know the story.

 

One of the reasons Eleanor Roosevelt did not trust Kennedy’s between Bobby working for McCarthy and Dad being a quasi Nazi. It took John to save the family name with While England Slept.
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Response to Princetonian (Reply #130)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:56 AM

237. LOL! You're still trying to deflect from Biden's statement.

 

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Response to SharonClark (Reply #237)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:21 PM

352. No, I was trying to prove a point subtly.

 

Obviosuly, too subtle for some.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 07:42 AM

124. there is nothing to gain by saying that. good grief

 

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Response to Kurt V. (Reply #124)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 07:44 AM

125. Not scaring away Rwpublican and Independent voters you'll need in the GE?

 

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #125)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 07:46 AM

126. That's a myth. the data isn't there to back this claim.

 

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Response to Kurt V. (Reply #126)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 07:55 AM

132. The same myth that won us the House in 2018...

 

...we win with moderate candidates appealing to Democrats, moderate Republicans and Independents in suburban swing districts.

The real myth is that there's a vast pool of untapped progressive voters who won't come out to vote unless we run a "real" Democrat.
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Response to brooklynite (Reply #132)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 08:37 AM

143. in 2018 there was a surge of democratic voters. There was also a surge in republican voters.

 

Independents who were center left made the difference. any crossover from republicans was inconsequential
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Response to Kurt V. (Reply #143)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 05:54 AM

439. Independents float both ways. Joe could capture some of them with comments like this.

 

As well as some Republicans who hate Trump.
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Response to honest.abe (Reply #439)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:15 AM

443. only 8-12% of the electorate are true indies. the rest lean right or left and vote accordingly.

 

my point is this talk could tamp down enthusiasm and not worth a few % of possible votes.
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Response to Kurt V. (Reply #443)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:34 AM

444. I understand your point. For sure its a delicate balance between capturing some indies/moderates..

 

and loosing some on the left. However I do believe this strategy could work if done correctly. Don't forget Obama 2008 ran on uniting the country.. "there are no red states,blue states". Voters loved that. Biden might be able to rekindle that same voter interest if he can make the case that he is uniquely qualified to pull it off.

Also, we are in uncharted waters with Trump. Many Independent and moderate Rs hate Trump and I think will vote against him if they feel the Democratic candidate is willing to negotiate with the other side and not try to force his/her agenda on the nation.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 07:50 AM

128. STOP POSTING THE HILL

 

The Hill’s goal is to run headlines that divide Democrats.
The Hill is owned by a Trumpite billionaire.

Do not post The Hill!!
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Sun Aug 18, 2019, 07:50 AM

129. good let's go Joe !

 

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 07:54 AM

131. He's living in the past

 

I'd like to know exactly how he plans to work with Moscow Mitch.

They are not decent, they are modern day pirates, pillaging our nation.
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Response to Bettie (Reply #131)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 08:05 AM

136. Joe was not referring to Moscow Mitch.

 

Joe spoke through the night with McCain to convince him to vote NO to save ACA/ObamaCare.

All Senators in the Democratic caucus try to reach across the aisle or their bills won't pass. They are in the minority.

Elizabeth has a good track record on this:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=243816

Some, like Bernie, has voted with Republicans against undocumented immigrants:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=243799

Others, like Joe, merely say what Bernie and Elizabeth already know. I will bet you that a reporter asked Bernie and Elizabeth about what Joe said, they would both agree with Joe.

Pete and Beto would agree with Joe. Both of them are from very red states where they would not have succeeded without appealing to and working with Republicans.
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Response to Princetonian (Reply #136)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:04 AM

186. McCain is long gone

 

and there are zero principled Republicans in congress. (OK, maybe that guy who left the freedom caucus)

Moscow Mitch has full veto power over all legislation.

None of the others is willing to do more than issue a mild "oh, that isn't nice" type comment about anything and once there is a Democrat in the White House, they will be back to full obstruction mode: never, ever let anything pass.

If you think he can somehow overcome this, well, that's your belief. I think he is thinking of a time that is long past. Republicans don't cooperate with anyone unless that "cooperation" means utter and complete capitulation by our side. Ever.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #186)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:20 PM

351. I hear you but what Republicans does Liz think will vote for MFA?

 

Perhaps the same ones who co-sponsor legislation with her now? She has a very good track record of bipartisanship.
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Response to Princetonian (Reply #136)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 11:29 AM

270. Agree!!

 

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 08:28 AM

140. Maybe. They don't get elected, though, because the GOPer voters only want racist pigs in office.

 

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #140)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 08:46 AM

150. Moderate Republicans and right-leaning independents in the Philly suburbs are key to winning PA.

 

Joe's from Scranton. Jill grew near Philly. Both of them know this.

Barack won PA largely because those suburbs and those surrounding Pittsburgh went for him.
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Response to Princetonian (Reply #150)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 08:55 AM

156. Horseshit.

 

The key to winning elections in this hyperpartisan era is to motivate your base and get them to the polls.

Republican voters vote Republican. They don’t suddenly wake up and vote for our candidates. At best they stay home.
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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #156)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:09 AM

166. I have volunteered w/the local Democratic party in Pittsburgh and Philly since 2007.

 

I know many Obama Republicans. I got them to the polls in some cases, helped them fill out absentee ballots in others.

Your opinion does not trump the Obama coalition experience in PA in 2008 and 2012. A motivated base is important but it is not enough in a general election or open primaries like they have in some states like California.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 08:35 AM

142. Thanks, Joe, for reaching out to good Republicans like McCain who saved the ACA. Let's never forget!

 





Did Joe Biden convince John McCain to save Obamacare?

That's the conclusion some are drawing after a report from the Washington Post stated Senator McCain was called by former Vice President Biden, who made an emotional plea to vote against the "skinny" repeal of Obamacare.

Biden purportedly reflected on the death of his son Beau Biden, who died of the same brain cancer McCain has been diagnosed with.

Former Senator Joe Lieberman also reportedly called McCain ahead of the vote. With the drama of a thumbs down gesture, McCain effectively killed the republicans' seven-year efforts to repeal and/or replace Obamacare, at least for now.



https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/07/31/report-joe-biden-called-mccain-with-tearful-plea-to-save-obamac/23057819/?
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Response to Skya Rhen (Reply #142)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 08:39 AM

144. McCain is dead. He was the last "good" one.

 

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Response to Autumn (Reply #144)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 08:45 AM

147. Collins and Murkowski are still alive. Also, because of them we have Obamacare and deserve credit

 

for being some of the good Republicans.

I am certain that those whose lives were saved because of the ACA, consider these two Senators to be good.
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Response to Skya Rhen (Reply #147)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 08:47 AM

151. Yeah they have been a big help in keeping drunk rapists off the SC court and keeping

 

the oranges asses love of white supremacy and corruption in check.
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Response to Skya Rhen (Reply #147)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 08:52 AM

153. They almost never vote against their party

 

So like fuck them and every other Republican legislator. The way we “work with them” is the way they “work with us”: make sure they are the minority in both chambers.
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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #153)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 04:49 PM

416. And for sure!! Let's vote them all out. That would be the idyllic way.. one can hope

 

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 08:40 AM

145. If only Joe had seen the Republican in action during Obama's term and since Trump's. Oh wait....

 

Decent people don't yell "you lie" at a black president. Decent people don't allow a foreign government to meddle in our election. Decent people don't prop up a man stealing from the taxpayers to add to his wealth. Decent people don't sit back and watch an American president commit high crimes and treason and not allow Congress to do their job of oversight. Decent people don't install a drunken rapist on the SC while denying a black president to appoint his choice of a decent man. Decent people don't allow a president to give an enemy state whatever they want. Decent people my ass.

Republican aren't intimidated, they're fucking racist. Obama, a black man in power caused them to lose their fucking shit. You go right on and ignore that Joe. Your problem, Joe is that your friends, those good old boy republicans willing to work across the aisle don't fucking exist.
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Response to Autumn (Reply #145)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 08:53 AM

154. How does Tom Steyer plan to win votes much less govern?

 

You think you know how to govern and win votes better than Joe with the Obama coalition behind him? Pffft.

If a candidate gave blanket condemnation like you just posted, voters who are on the fence would reject your hyperpartisan language and we will get another four years of Trump.

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Response to Princetonian (Reply #154)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:05 AM

163. Does Steyer matter? He has nothing to do with the discussion about Joe and his decent

 

Republicans that only he can work with. Yeah, those mythical voters of yours were fucking awesome in the last presidential election. Amirite? I'm not attempting to govern so that's a great big You do know what a discussion board is? We discuss current events and offer our opinions. How you get I want to govern is beyond me. If Joe can work so well with the fantasy good republicans why didn't he do it during Obamas' two terms? Come to think of it other than getting McCain to votes against the repeal of the ACA once. What are his many accomplishments as VP? I'll wait right here. Sooner or later people are going to have to stop deflecting using every other candidate running and discuss and actually comment on what Biden is saying and doing.

My condolences on the loss of your friend.
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Response to Autumn (Reply #163)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:17 AM

170. Of course he matters. You allegedly support him. What is his position on working with Republicans?

 

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Response to Princetonian (Reply #170)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:28 AM

173. We will find that out at the debate. His main past position has been spending millions getting

 

Democrats elected. But what we are discussing is Joe working with decent republicans. Has he mentioned the names of these decent republicans? I'm just curious. I haven't seen any for a long time. It seems asshole republicans are now all the rage. What does Joe think of them? Since you know that's all that left of the republican party. What's his plan there?
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Response to Autumn (Reply #173)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:46 AM

176. Why on earth would Joe tell us their names? So they can get primaried and/or pilloried?

 

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Response to Princetonian (Reply #176)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:34 AM

207. That's a silly reply. We are Democrats, I think we all know what the Republicans are.

 

We pillory the worthless assholes on a daily basis. I think you would be hard-pressed to find one of these worthless republicans we haven't pilloried for the last 10 years. Well, there were a couple of dead ones but they got their share of it while alive.
True story, my dad always said a good republican is a dead one. He started saying that when GOP Representative Gregg Harper said "We hunt liberal, tree-hugging Democrats, although it does seem like a waste of good ammunition.".
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Sun Aug 18, 2019, 11:28 AM

269. What is sillier are anonymous bloggers that demand names!! Keep demanding.

 



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Response to Princetonian (Reply #269)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 02:27 PM

368. I'm demanding nothing, I asked who these good Republicans are. Bloggers?

 

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Sun Aug 18, 2019, 03:33 PM

381. You'll find out long after Steyer exits the race.

 

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Response to Princetonian (Reply #381)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 03:44 PM

385. Steyer exiting the race will reveal who these "awful lot of good Republicans" are? .

 

I'm so excited and I can't wait.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #368)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 04:46 PM

415. It remains to be seen. No one...especially mr. Biden or for that matter any of our candidates are

 

Taking for granted that the rebups will fall down and roll over.

To close the door and be unwilling to open it even a fraction will eventually bite us back and hard. Example: doing away with the filibuster, simple majority.

Playing that game is fool hardy
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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #415)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 05:22 PM

419. It really can't remain to be seen. It's being presented as fact that

 

"there's an awful lot of really good Republicans out there" I can't think of any. At one time there may have been some. But not for the last 10 years or more. If there were any really good Republicans out there we would not be in the mess we are today with Trump and his gross misconduct, corruption and treason.
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Response to Autumn (Reply #419)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 06:20 PM

427. You are right it is an unknown. So, why close the door to the unknown?

 

No one is arguing for dotard “his gross misconduct, corruption and treason” to prevail ... no one
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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #427)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 06:42 PM

429. I'm not closing any door. Can you point out these really good Republicans?

 

I never said anyone is arguing for the orange ass. You are arguing that there are some really good republicans out there so since you know that to be a fact you should be able to pinpoint some of them. I've wracked my brain and I can't think of any.
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Response to Autumn (Reply #429)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:03 PM

452. No where in my posts did I say I KNEW there were some really good repubs out there. You are twisting

 

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What I said. You just want to argue.

I said and am saying it again that no one knows, and no one does... not you, not me, not the candidates how future legislation and the vote will play out. I also said to not allow for the idea that things change ... because they always do, not keeping the door open is just wrong.

I also said that whom ever the nominee and eventual president is, they better damn well be ready to jump in wholeheartedly to worm out the 1 or 2 gop votes to pass legislation that millions would depend on.

High and mighty fence sitting is just that and doesn’t get any thing done
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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #452)

Tue Aug 20, 2019, 07:41 AM

459. I didn't say you KNEW there were some really good republicans out there. Biden said that.

 

I asked the poster if they knew of any of those really good republicans. Saying you know and asking if you know are two different things.
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Response to Princetonian (Reply #176)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:36 AM

209. If they're MF45 supporters, I certainly hope so.

 

What is with people stumbling over themselves to defend this stuff? Fuck Republicans. Maybe a shouting post about everyone declaring loyalty to how much Republicans suck?
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Response to theaocp (Reply #209)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 11:30 AM

271. Liz would not agree. She has a good track record of having them co-sponsor her legislation.

 

Read all about it:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=243816
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Response to Princetonian (Reply #176)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 03:21 PM

375. so the decent republicans have to be secret decent republicans?

 

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #375)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 04:20 PM

402. Do you remember what happened to NJ Gov. Christie's standing in the GOP after Barack praised him?

 

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Response to Princetonian (Reply #402)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 05:01 PM

417. christy who should of gone to jail ovr bridgegate?

 

better try a dif example if u lookin for a good repub
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Response to questionseverything (Reply #417)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 05:37 PM

424. Not my point. Anyone Joe names will be primaried so do not expect him to do so.

 

Christie was mocked by Republicans, dropped out of favor with Trump all because of a few carefully placed words of praise by Barack. Joe will not let that happen.

Christie was my governor, unfortunately. Independents tired of Corzine voted him in. A lesson for the GE.
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Response to Autumn (Reply #145)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 08:53 AM

155. Joe saw them in action during Obama's term and he still took a chance on McCain. Was he wrong to

 

do this?

I am grateful that Joe did not let his pride or personal grudges stand in the way. He cast them aside to tearfully plead with a Republican (McCain), who fought Obama tooth and nails, so that we can have healthcare.

What a purely selfless act - we actually need more humane people like Joe.
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Response to Skya Rhen (Reply #155)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 08:57 AM

157. One vote from one dead Senator.

 

That is all you’ve got.
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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #157)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:00 AM

161. The ACA is important to me and millions of others. I will forever be grateful for that "one vote."

 

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Response to Skya Rhen (Reply #161)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:03 AM

162. Sure. Now about working with all these

 

wonderful Republican legislators, please list the ones still breathing that will work with a Democratic president.

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #162)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:07 AM

165. Senators Collins and Murkowski. They will always work with Democrats to deny any future repeal

 

of the ACA. Their past actions prove this.
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Response to Skya Rhen (Reply #165)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:22 AM

199. Your open trust of those two is noted.

 

There has not been a word invented to demonstrate how much I disagree with that assessment. Their past actions show they are STILL Republicans at this point in history, and thus ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED.
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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #162)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 11:39 AM

276. You can kill the messenger if you want, but things do change. You cannot stop progress

 

It will be interesting to see just how many Congress critters back away from the orange king when he’s gone. In that mix there might be “one good senator” to swing the vote.

If you have a crystal ball then please proceed
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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Response to Skya Rhen (Reply #155)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:24 AM

172. Well for sure we can't count on McCain. I'm of the mind that his thumbs down

 

was because he was dying and Trump was being his usual nasty self trash-talking McCain. If Joe tearfully pled with him, good for him. I missed that event but it certainly highlights what a racist McCain was since he was willing to work with the white VP but not a black President attempting to help the American people with healthcare, that benefited a lot of his very own constituents. In fact, McCain said even Obama called to express gratitude for McCain’s vote against the Republican repeal bill. His comment on that was:

I was thanked for my vote by Democratic friends more profusely than I should have been for helping save Obamacare,” McCain wrote. “That had not been my goal.”



Do you think that will work with the remaining living Republicans?
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Bernie Sanders

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Response to Autumn (Reply #172)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:34 PM

355. Your words: "If Joe tearfully pled with him, good for him". No - good for millions of us Americans.

 

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Response to Skya Rhen (Reply #355)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 02:21 PM

366. Ignore what McCain had to say about it. Since his intention was to not save Obamacare

 

but IMO but was to shit on the orange turd that doesn't really prove Joe can work with republicans.

McCains words on that thumbs down.

“I was thanked for my vote by Democratic friends more profusely than I
should have been for helping save Obamacare,” McCain wrote. “That had not been my goal.”
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Response to Autumn (Reply #366)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 03:46 PM

386. Joe described what happened the night with McCain before the vote. Your insinuations are funny.

 

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Response to Princetonian (Reply #386)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 04:13 PM

397. That's straight from McCain. One of them good republicans I guess? It's not my insinuation.

 

“I was thanked for my vote by Democratic friends more profusely than I
should have been for helping save Obamacare,” McCain wrote. “That had not been my goal.”
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Response to Autumn (Reply #366)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 04:40 PM

410. So... if the legislation was passed what's the difference?

 

In this kind of political environment one had be ready “to walk into hell for a heavenly cause.” It’s an old saying but ever so true today.

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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #410)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 04:44 PM

412. Well McCain didn't "walk into hell for a heavenly cause." saving Obamacare was not his goal

 

with that thumbs down. McCain was very clear on that. That's the difference. Facts are stubborn things.

“I was thanked for my vote by Democratic friends more profusely than I
should have been for helping save Obamacare,” McCain wrote. “That had not been my goal.”
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Response to Autumn (Reply #412)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:09 PM

453. What's the difference? If you don't like what I say, why keep responding?

 

The legislation got voted down by John McCain.. indeed as you like to point out “facts are stubborn things.”

As has been pointed out several times by those that have the ACA, they are incredibly appreciative they still have their insurance.
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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #453)

Tue Aug 20, 2019, 07:39 AM

458. As long as it's insisted McCain voted to save the ACA because he's a "really good republican"

 

and voted out some shred of nobility I will point out the fact that saving the ACA was not his goal.
Of course, people are grateful for having insurance, people need to be able to see a doctor.

“I was thanked for my vote by Democratic friends more profusely than I
should have been for helping save Obamacare,” McCain wrote. “That had not been my goal.”


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Bernie Sanders

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 08:58 AM

158. No Joe, there are not.

 

They are the enemy.

They are good for corporations, Wall Street, the NRA, implementing theocracy, suppressing voting

rights, shrinking the rights of women, attacking undocumented immigrants, starting illegal wars,

enriching the wealthy, wiping out unions, supporting racism, and ignoring climate change.


Who in their right mind would want bipartisanship with a party that is against everything

that helps the people of this country ???

They are the enemy.

They are evil.

They are liars.
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Undecided

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 08:58 AM

159. That might have been true 2-3 years ago...

 

but since then, not a single one of them has spoken out against the racist in chief.

Every single fucking one of the supposedly "really good Republicans" is now complicit in the shitshow that is the Trump administration.

Sid
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Response to SidDithers (Reply #159)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:06 AM

164. It wasn't true then either.

 

This is delusional on Biden’s part. It ignores his own tenure as VP and how the Republican Party “worked” with Obama for 8 years.
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Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 08:58 AM

160. Oh dear. If that is the case dear Joe, why didn't you work your miracle and get Merrick Garland

 

a hearing?
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Response to Ninga (Reply #160)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:11 AM

167. Merrick Garland will get that hearing in 2021, under President Biden. Better late than never...

 

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Response to Skya Rhen (Reply #167)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 03:26 PM

379. we lost the majority for generations so no not better late

 

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Response to Skya Rhen (Reply #167)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 09:14 AM

440. If Garland is a replacement for any of the liberal justices then Biden will be a one term president.

 

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