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Wed Aug 14, 2019, 02:49 PM

 

biden jumps into damage control after upsetting Latino leaders

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/14/joe-biden-latinos-immigration-2020-1461341

biden jumps into damage control after upsetting Latino leaders

Joe biden’s presidential campaign is quietly playing cleanup with dozens of immigration activists and Latino leaders — weeks after upsetting them by using what they considered loaded language to describe his views on immigration policy.

biden said at the July 31 Democratic debate that undocumented immigrants need to “get in line” and that the country has been right to “cherry-pick” high-skilled immigrants, notably those with advanced degrees.


That language, more commonly used by conservatives, triggered widespread criticism from immigrant rights activists, some of whom said the former vice president was echoing “Republican talking points” on how migrants are admitted to the United States.

The campaign quickly embarked on damage control. Aides assuaged aggrieved activists, and biden had a closed-door meeting with Latino leaders in San Diego before his speech at the UnidosUS conference last week.
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Reply biden jumps into damage control after upsetting Latino leaders (Original post)
Hassin Bin Sober Wednesday OP
George II Wednesday #1
bluewater Wednesday #2
Autumn Wednesday #8
SouthernProgressive Wednesday #4
BannonsLiver Wednesday #13
SouthernProgressive Wednesday #14
pangaia Wednesday #5
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Vegas Roller Wednesday #16
brush Wednesday #3
Skya Rhen Wednesday #7
brush Wednesday #9
Skya Rhen Wednesday #11
brush Wednesday #12
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Butterflylady Wednesday #27
onetexan Wednesday #28
brush Wednesday #41
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oasis Wednesday #17
melman Wednesday #21
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tonedevil Wednesday #20
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tonedevil Wednesday #39
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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 02:56 PM

1. Dupe of a dupe. Those two used the actual headline of the article, however:

 

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287239034 (today at 9:14 AM)

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287239166 (today at 11:10 AM)
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Response to George II (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 03:07 PM

2. So? This isn't Late Breaking News.

 

People who join later in the day often appreciate responding to a new OP on a subject, even if it has been posted previously, to not have their comments lost down thread by the plethora of morning posts.

But, to each his own.

One question, are dupe warnings posted when the same poll is posted over and over? I might have missed that.

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Response to bluewater (Reply #2)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 04:11 PM

8. It's easy when typing out the headline to accidentally leave out a word.

 

We are none of us perfect.
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Response to George II (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 03:19 PM

4. Must be the good corporate media. NT

 

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Response to SouthernProgressive (Reply #4)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 04:26 PM

13. Poltico's only purpose this primary season is to shit stir Dems.

 

It's no surprise given that its founder was a longtime GOP activist.
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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #13)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 04:27 PM

14. +1 NT

 

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Response to George II (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 03:24 PM

5. Dupes happen.. I think it is okay when unintentional...

 

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Response to George II (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 04:34 PM

16. When one has nothing new

 

one flaunts the same things warmed up over and over.
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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 03:18 PM

3. WTF? He said this on July 31? Of this year? I can't even imagine a Dem candidate saying this.

 

I'm really starting to wonder. Every few days there have to be "clean ups" of gaffes and misstatements.

I will never get how any whites, whose ancestors all came here as immigrants when the gates were open with no requirements for advanced skills, can say "get in line". or want no immigration, or immigration only for those with highly developed skills.
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Response to brush (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 04:07 PM

7. Really? Obama said, basically, the same thng...

 

Snip...

"This bill would provide a pathway to earned citizenship for the 11 million individuals who are in this country illegally, a pathway that includes passing a background check, learning English, paying taxes and a penalty, and then going to the back of the line behind everyone who’s playing by the rules and trying to come here legally," Obama said about immigration reform.

Snip...

This bill would modernize the legal immigration system so that, alongside training American workers for the jobs of tomorrow, we’re also attracting highly-skilled entrepreneurs and engineers who will grow our economy. And so that our people don’t have to wait years before their loved ones are able to join them in this country we love.



https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/06/08/obama_jumps_into_immigration_reform_debate_in_weekly_address.html
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Response to Skya Rhen (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 04:15 PM

9. That's how you're reading it? And whataboutism doesn't work when we're talking about who gets...

 

the nomination. Obama isn't running and whatever he did he did as president. He wasn't trying to get the nomination against several other candidates with more progressive positions on immigration.

"Get in line" couldn't be more grotesque when you think about kids in cages on the border, families being separated by ICE with parents taken away and children left orphaned and Latinx being massacred in El Paso.

Please!
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Response to brush (Reply #9)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 04:21 PM

11. And Biden is not going to be forced to part from his moderate views - so there's that - plus he is

 

leading despite this....
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Response to Skya Rhen (Reply #11)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 04:25 PM

12. If he keeps this up with the "correction-a-day" clean ups he won't be leading.

 

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Response to brush (Reply #12)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 05:07 PM

23. We'll see - lol...

 

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Response to Skya Rhen (Reply #23)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 05:39 PM

27. Yeah,

 

That! Lol
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Response to brush (Reply #12)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 05:48 PM

28. If you're so worried about the correction-a-day why dont you

 

Consider the fact we have a fake potus who lies at least 10x a day, then doubles down when confronted?

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Response to onetexan (Reply #28)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 07:49 PM

41. No denying what you say about the orange debacle but he's not seeking our nomination.

 

We want someone stable, assuring and on top of things. Keeping our fingers crossed and hoping for no more misstatements is not reassuring.
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Response to brush (Reply #12)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 05:57 PM

31. Just a matter of time now... tick tock!!

 


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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Response to Skya Rhen (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 04:31 PM

15. When Obama said that, activist leaders back then were not that happy about it.

 

Biden has been viewed with suspicion at times by immigration activists. They point to what they call his lack of outreach to Latino communities in the past and his time as vice president under Barack Obama, who was tagged by liberal-leaning activists as the “deporter in chief” because of his administration’s border enforcement policies.

Activists interrupted Biden’s remarks during last month’s debate in Detroit. And in early July, six demonstrators were arrested during a sit-in at Biden’s Philadelphia campaign headquarters.

The tension between Biden’s campaign and the activist community has roots in his overall campaign strategy. He's running as a centrist in a primary in which most of the other top-tier candidates are tilting left. And many liberal activists aren't enthused about an old, white moderate leading the ticket.


In the article from the OP.
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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 04:16 PM

10. I also need gardeners, house cleaners, painters, tilers, roof repairers, plumbers, etc.

 

I am not able to do these things myself. Seems like nearly all the laborers in these fields are immigrants. That's fine with me. I get the work done, they earn a living, they strengthen my country.
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Response to SharonAnn (Reply #10)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 04:50 PM

19. I hope this was Sarcasm

 

You do realize that undocumented people that work in the USA are often paid slave labor wages, they most likely work for a legal company that takes advantage of them, they are forced to do unsafe work, and have no way to voice grievance because of their status. I suggest you rethink your position on these tasks you say you are unable to do yourself.
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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 04:39 PM

17. "July 31 debate revisited." My reply to the original dupe.

 

or is this the dupe?

Curses, duped again

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Response to oasis (Reply #17)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 04:54 PM

21. When's the cut-off date

 

for when things are relevant? Seems to change.

In another thread someone said it was 2007. Now it's all the way up to July 31st?
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Response to oasis (Reply #17)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 05:25 PM

24. Tweets from 2016 are relevant.

 

I think that sets the bar.
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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #24)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 06:24 PM

37. Looks like they hurt badly nt

 

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Response to oasis (Reply #17)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 06:18 PM

34. Dupey dupe dupe nt

 

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Response to NYMinute (Reply #34)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 06:22 PM

36. Dupe, dupe, dupe...."Groundhog Day" on a loop.

 

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 04:46 PM

18. Like in a cheap diner

 

some people have a microwave ready to warm up yesterday's leftovers and serve it as a whole new entrée.
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Response to NYMinute (Reply #18)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 05:57 PM

30. Yup, re-beaten dead horsemeat makes the best leftovers.

 

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Response to oasis (Reply #30)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 06:06 PM

32. Ha!! Yup beat that dead horse some more...cause if this is all ya got it doesn't seem to be working

 

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 04:54 PM

20. I recall when Dolores Huerta...

 

dared say a word in criticism of VP Biden about this his supporters were savaging her relentlessly.
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Response to tonedevil (Reply #20)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 05:52 PM

29. "Savaging"? Holy hyperbole Batman!

 

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Response to oasis (Reply #29)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 07:12 PM

39. Savaging...

 

may be too dramatic of a word, but in this case https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287225245 the criticism rises to well above respectful.
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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 04:59 PM

22. Not good

 

Not good at all.
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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 05:27 PM

25. WHy iS tHiS IN TEH ALLCASP!

 

Pleeze stops.

Thanks.

Posting this for a frend.
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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 05:29 PM

26. He made the comment about "a line" in reference to open borders, that it wouldn't be fair to

 

those undergoing a process by which to immigrate, live, work in the US, for millions of others to bypass any system at all. He has said he would do as Obama would have had he had Congressional support, put 11 million people now working in the US on a path to citizenship. He also wants to welcome those seeking asylum and expedite a legal process for that.

As to cherry-picking? He did not say a PHD would be given priority over a legal asylum seeker or
Dreamer or the millions of law-abiding undocumented workers who have been in the US for five to ten years. He said we ought to give citizenship to more PHDs. This is a whole other category, the folks who come to work and continue post doc studies here, for instance, in science and medicine.
They can apply for visas, get visas extended, but even if offered a long-term job are not necessarily on that basis able to get a green card.

I see nothing anti-immigrant, anti-Latino in what Biden said.
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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 06:18 PM

33. Pick a little, talk a little, pick a little, talk a little,

 

cheap, cheap, cheap, talk a lot, pick a little more...

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Response to Mme. Defarge (Reply #33)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 06:20 PM

35. Signs of a losing campaign

 

The handwriting is on the wall that BS will never ever get the nomination. Yet, some fight feverishly with vitriol.
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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 06:41 PM

38. Is what he said really controversial?

 

We’ve always prioritized in-demand workers when it comes to immigration. And it’s not an America thing. Virtually every country on the planet prioritizes highly skilled workers.
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Response to DrToast (Reply #38)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 07:47 PM

40. Especially since Warren and Harris said similar things when they ran for Senator & AG respectively.

 

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