First it was Joe. Now Beto is getting the extreme vetting

[DemocratSinceBirth]

For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

Matthew 7:2

[dalton99a]

1. Purity must be achieved before one can wrestle with the pig

[aikoaiko]

2. I don't see any extreme vetting of Joe or Beto -- just normal stuff.

[TwilightZone]

3. He's seen as a threat to certain candidates.

Which is an accurate assessment, in my opinion. I think he's going to siphon votes from a demographic or two that other candidates consider very important to their campaigns.

The funny ones are the posters summarily dismissing him and declaring that he has no chance...but posting repeatedly about him in multiple threads.

[BlueWI]

36. Is that a new talking point?

Beto is a threat to Sanders and Sanders' supporters are panicking?

Only one candidate is going to win. Why foment extra drama?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

5. It's not a bad thing. It tests the candidates early and either creates resilience or identifies

trouble spots.

[Autumn]

6. "Vetting is important.

Every... EVERY aspect of a candidate's life is fair game. His (or her) interviews, writings, recordings, votes... successes and failures.
Voters have the right to know if there's something in a candidate's background that would be a "showstopper" for his (or her) campaign during the General Election. By that time, it's too fucking late.

We deserve to know the truth." that's what I hear.

[redstatebluegirl]

38. Including tax returns before the primaries.

[Autumn]

39. Interesting. Almost a week later. nt

[redstatebluegirl]

40. It is a week later but I am also slow to read all the posts on DU.

I don't live here.

Let me introduce myself. I am a lifelong 40 plus years, Democrat, I have worked for this party, given money to my party and supported every nominee for all of that time. I have never given a litmus test to a Democratic candidate. I have some I don't like much, but I would support them and have, in the general because a Democrat is always superior to any Republican.

My reason for questioning some of Mr. Sanders ideas and actions is due to what happened in 2016, when so much division began in our party. I had friends who supported Mr. Sanders who began to question any of us who did not as "not a real democrat".

I am hoping we can get through this primary united to beat the orange menace, but I am concerned and have voiced that often. FYI I have responded to posts a lot older than a week before. I am semi retired, but I work and do 20 to 30 hours a week of volunteer work so there is that.

[Autumn]

42. I've never encountered that with any of my Sanders friends, or my Hillary friends either.

[redstatebluegirl]

43. You are lucky...

I didn't encounter it with Hillary people, just some of the ones who were very strongly in Mr. Sanders camp. I was also at the convention, it was an ugly thing.

[R B Garr]

7. Oh yeah! Noticed that. And comments like

he can’t wait to see Biden getting grilled are now turning into the same nasty sentiments about Beto. So ridiculous.

[Nanjeanne]

8. Shouldn't all candidates have their voting records and donor contributions looked at?

It’s not purity. It’s being informed. Then every voter gets to decide which things they learned are non starters and which aren’t.

[George II]

13. Yes they should, and we should know about every contribution, not just those over $200.

[True Dough]

34. Agreed!

There are a few here who take the criticism too far, but asking pertinent questions and providing relevant information is a healthy exercise.

[workinclasszero]

9. Funny how looking at a persons voting record equals "extreme vetting" huh?

I don't get that.

[George II]

11. Well, there's looking at a person's voting record and there's doing this:

Calling a person's "co-sponsorship" or lack of sponsorship of a bill a "vote". What say you about this from earlier today? You claimed that "Beto voted against Medicare for all and a 15 dollar an hour minimum wage" when in fact that's not true in either case.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=22101

[Amimnoch]

15. Exactly! Lies and fake smears right out the starting gate by them.

Tells me I’ve picked a solid choice to support.

[George II]

16. Sometimes when looking at the candidates and determining which to choose, a hint....

....might be those who are against him/her and the lengths they go to tear him/her down.

[sheshe2]

41. That is a very good point, George.

[TwilightZone]

14. Everything you posted about the two House bills was false.

But you know that.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. I prefer to remember the workingclasszero of 2016.

[George II]

19. .

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. Where did he go?

[workinclasszero]

31. I'm still here, though that might change due to circumstances beyond my control at any second

But hey, why wouldn't I back the runner up of 2016 in the next election?

Especially when I agree with everything he's running on? I'm not voting on personality or age.

I backed Hillary to the hilt in the primaries and general election in 2016 but unfortunately she did not get the office.

Time to take a different road now as far as I'm concerned

I'm living proof that some Hillary backers switched over to Bernie. Hopefully lots of them. That might bother some folks around here but so be it I guess.

In the end I will vote for whatever candidate get the dem nomination like always but I will fight for my candidate until the nomination is won or lost.

I may not survive on this board though. Time will tell.

[Cha]

32. Oh boy!

[shanny]

27. IKR?

[Cha]

33. BS' Voting against Dems compared to Beto's Record..

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?

[WeekiWater]

10. A lot of what we are seeing is different than vetting.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=22101

[George II]

12. Ah, you beat me to it by a few minutes!

[Awsi Dooger]

17. Beto can handle it

He won't be hemming and hawing.

Besides, issues and voting records are comically overrated at times like this. They are nothing but dose of rationale for the type who want some reason to change their mind or reinforce their opinion each and every day.

Meanwhile nothing is happening. Once the debates begin then personality, charisma and ability to think on your feet and dominate a one-on-one exchange are front and center, and exponentially more significant than any peripherals. That's why Trump's opportunity was understated and it is also why Sanders' opportunity is currently understated. He is not my choice and I'd be scared to nominate a socialist but he is going to be a force in those debates. Perhaps the dominant force.

[Blue_true]

22. I don't think Bernie will be a force in debates.

There are a lot of questions that he will face this time around that he did not face last time, those questions will be asked of him by moderators and repeatedly dismissing the moderator as someone who misunderstood what happened won't work for long, maybe not even through the first debate.

[JCMach1]

23. Putting people before the ideology is what's pissing off Bernie supporters (especially media ones)

Major difference in approach...


Beto brings people (first) to the Democratic agenda...

Sanders brings ideology (first) to the people...

So yeah, Beto vs. Sanders is going to be around for awhile...

[Blue_true]

24. I think that it is more basic.

Bernie has to answer questions about the sexual harrassment and violence issues that took place in his 2016 campaign. Plus his failure to produce the complete, multi-year tax returns will be an issue, he has already been asked that once on national tv. At some point, Bernie's dismissals of the significance of the issues are going to catch up to him. I see him being on the defensive bigtime in the first debate, that does not seem to be a position that he likes being placed in, that is why I think that he is going to have problems in the debates. It won't be about throwing out insinuations about paid speeches and then letting trolls and the media take over, Bernie will have to answer some substantive questions, that may be why we have seen posts trying to take down Harris, Klobuchar, Biden, now Beto.

[JCMach1]

25. and, it has been particularly virulent...

anything beyond what I have seen in early primary stages before...

[Blue_true]

29. I just don't see why people chose to try to tear down a democrat with falsehoods. nt

[JCMach1]

30. multiple candidates... virtually everyone who has announced... I guess Biden is next

[peggysue2]

28. I will eagerly await those debates

Sure to be a Wowsa event. And revealing.

[Blue_true]

21. And it is all coming from the usual suspects. nt

[shanny]

26. oh puhleeeze

they all will be and should be subjected to "extreme" vetting

[Kentonio]

35. Extreme vetting?

How was Joe subjected to extreme vetting? People asking questions and raising concerns about his past record is exactly what you should expect (and indeed want) during this process, because the GOP will certainly use anything they can against us.

What even is 'extreme' vetting? Is there some stuff that should remain hidden and that we should hope the inevitable GOP investigators in the general never find out?

I want all candidates (including Bernie) to be investigated, have their past records examined and any worrying past actions or words questioned during the primaries, so we come out the other side with a strong candidate with no unexpected surprises to be revealed later.

This isn't a game where we all win or lose based on who gets the nomination. If any of us get our prefered candidate but then they screw up later and it costs us the general, then we've lost far worse than if a different candidate had won the nomination. Let's never forget that ANY Democrat is better than a Republican.

[OBrien]

37. Where are Bernie's taxes?

Beto has been vetted by Ted Cruz.