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Tue Mar 12, 2019, 11:55 AM

 

The Word "Socialism" Is Toxic in This Country

It shouldn't be, but it is, thanks to a constant repetition of that equation by Republicans for over 50 years. So, it's not a good word for presidential primary candidates to use loosely.

Instead, by replacing it with "Democratic Policies" when describing things like universal healthcare, tuition relief, and other concepts, the psychology is different. There are Democratic voters who hear the word "Socialism" and are so put off by the word that they don't look closely at the policy being discussed. That's not good. We need every Democratic voter.

Candidates who continue to align with the word "Socialism," even with modifications like "Democratic Socialism," are cutting their own chances of winning in primary elections in many states in this country. Worse, they're tying Socialism to the Democratic Party and hurting our chances of winning in many states in the general election.

Psychology. You'd think we'd understand that by now. It's not like it's a new thing. But, we don't. While that word is attractive to some voters in the Democratic party or on the left, it is anathema to other Democratic voters. We need their votes, too.

I like socialism. In my heart, I have always been a socialist, but I sure as Hell would not run for office as one. I'm smarter than that.
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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 11:58 AM

1. From what I've noticed, the term is evolving...

 

...slowly, but still changing. Changing to mean government programs that benefit society at large. This isn't necessarily a bad thing or anything to run from.
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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 11:59 AM

4. It has not evolved far enough yet.

 

Truly it has not.
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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 04:27 PM

20. No it's not. It means the same thing as it always has.

 

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #20)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 05:25 PM

23. Yes it is and you can thank Republicans labeling...

 

...everything under the sun “socialism”.
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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 11:58 AM

2. Yep just like librul. The Republicans are masters

 

At poisoning words.
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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 11:58 AM

3. It is toxic for very good reasons.

 

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Response to CrossingTheRubicon (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 12:08 PM

8. I disagree. It's toxic because it has

 

been made to be toxic by Republicans. They have been demonizing that word since World War II. We have an entire generation of voters who has been affected by that demonization. And guess what? They vote in higher percentages than any other bloc of voters.

Reaction to that word varies in different parts of the country and in different states. In a few states, it gets hardly any negative reaction at all. However, in many other states, appearing to be in favor of socialism is a sure way to lose an election, primary or general.

Even our presidential election is a state-by-state thing. We have no national elections. A Democratic candidate can win California overwhelmingly, along with other states that tend to vote progressively, and still lose the presidential race. That's exactly what happened in 2016.

National politics is a strategic thing. To win, we have to win enough states to ensure an electoral college victory. If we fail to do that, we lose the White House. We also must win a majority in the Senate, which is another statewide election in every case.

We failed in 2016, in part due to our failure to round up and bring Democratic voters to the polling places in enough numbers. We could lose again in 2020 for the same reason.

We ought not to do that, I think. We ought, instead, to work to ensure a victory for Democrats that regains control of the White House and Congress. That, I believe, should be our primary goal. If it is not, and if we continue to bicker among ourselves over political labels, we may find ourselves in a place we do not want to be.
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Response to MineralMan (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 12:10 PM

10. No, it has been made toxic by the actions of socialists.

 

It is an ideology that isn't compatible with liberalism.
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Response to MineralMan (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 04:58 PM

22. Would you like to give me one example

 

of a successful democratic Socialist nation?
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Response to crazytown (Reply #22)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 11:47 PM

27. Depends on how you define the term "Democratic Socialist" but the Nordic model seems successful.

 

I define the term "Socialist" as I was taught in PoliSci classes decades ago - public ownership of the means of production. I am aware of no democratic countries that are truly socialist under that definition. The only countries that I can think of that are close to strictly socialist - again under the definition I was taught - are a very few Communist countries. (Communism is a governmental system with a socialist economy and a one-party, totalitarian political system.) Socialism is an effective bogey-man in this country because too many conflate the terms socialist and communist. The two terms are not synonymous. All communists are socialists but not all socialists are communists.

Socialism and Capitalism are largely irrelevant terms because economic systems are very rarely one or the other but are a mix of the two. The question is where on the spectrum between the two extremes any given economic system falls. The US has not been anything near a strictly capitalist country since the New Deal.

I am skeptical that any of the Democratic office holders who call themselves Democratic Socialists are really socialists. I have not heard of any calls to nationalize industries. It's just the labels that are problematic.
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Response to CrossingTheRubicon (Reply #3)

Mon Mar 18, 2019, 09:16 PM

55. You are very wrong. nt

 

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 11:59 AM

5. So use another word.

 

Maybe security.
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Response to greymattermom (Reply #5)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 12:36 PM

15. Why do you think "progressive" got popular again?

 

It got rediscovered as an alternative to "liberal" around 2010 or so as a center-left descriptor, but has been commandeered by the far left more recently.
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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 12:00 PM

6. Repubs have convinced the masses of ignorant Americans that socialism and communism are the same.

 

Dems would be better off not using the word at all.
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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 12:02 PM

7. It's not the word. It is the paradigm

 

of socialism that is toxic. It makes everyone poor and oppressed. (Looks good on paper though)
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Response to forklift (Reply #7)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 12:09 PM

9. No. It's the word. We need to replace that word with something else.

 

It is toxic, politically, here in the USA. We can't change that in time for the 2020 election. We simply cannot.
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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 12:13 PM

11. No re-branding or re-framing of socialism can redeem this failed ideology.

 

It is like trying to rehabilitate fascism. It is a foolish pursuit.

We Democrats have our own proud liberal tradition.
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Response to CrossingTheRubicon (Reply #11)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 12:33 PM

13. Exactly, and that is what we should be selling, not socialism,

 

which is totally misunderstood by the public. We cannot redefine it in people's minds. People are not listening to our attempts to do so. The effort to demonize the word "socialism" has succeeded over the past 50 or 60 years. It would take at least that long to redefine it in a positive way, and only if the demonizing disappeared, which it will not.

Democracy. Democratic. Justice. Prosperity for all. We have plenty of other words we can use. We should use them all freely and effectively.
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Response to MineralMan (Reply #13)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 12:39 PM

17. Socialism is antagonistic to Democracy, Justice, and Prosperity for All.

 

Socialism has demonized itself because it is an anti-liberal ideology.

No "re-framing" will ever resuscitate socialism. Complete non-starter.
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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 12:30 PM

12. Socialism is evil and the Democrats must launch a media-offensive to explain the difference.

 

Socialism is an utopic system that always fails in reality and leads to shortages and tyranny. Look at the economic collapse of Eastern Europe during the Cold War.

What Democrats want is not Socialism. They want to implement a few cherrypicked socialist policies, not the whole thing.

The Democrats should aggressively call out the Republicans that they don't even know what they are talking about.
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Response to DetlefK (Reply #12)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 12:34 PM

14. We cannot undo 50 years of Republican demonization of that word.

 

Truly we cannot.
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Response to MineralMan (Reply #14)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 12:42 PM

18. Nah. We can not undue the horrible reality of what socialist states have done...

 

in the name of this failed ideology.
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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 12:38 PM

16. I agree that this term is toxic

 

We need to nominate an electable candidate
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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 03:52 PM

19. I think people said similar things about "liberal."

 

I think a big part of the Democratic voters do not have a push button automatic response against “socialism.” I also think there are generational differences in play.

I think the left vs. right and socialist vs. capitalist thing last are overplayed. At the same time I’m ok with someone calling themselves a capitalist or a socialist. I’m interested in policy.
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Response to David__77 (Reply #19)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 04:35 PM

21. Socialism stokes foreign and scary

 

Liberal is applied to homegrown but flawed. That's the way I would summarize.

Not exactly a coincidence that socialism ramped up as soon as liberal started to lose effectiveness as a standalone.

Very true that we don't have a push button coordinated response to a socialism tag. They attach the word to anything and everything and their followers feel increasingly comfortable with it since they don't hear a short effective counter.
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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 10:10 PM

24. Defeating trump is the only thing that matter

 


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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 11:04 PM

25. Arguing about socialism is an absolute disastrous thing

 

to be doing right now. We are not socialists. I don’t need some Senators distractions anymore. We already lost too much over this in 2016. He lost again in 2018. Arguing over socialism is a gift to Republicans.
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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2019, 11:12 PM

26. I'm 100% with you, as is typical MM.

 

It's roughly about as smart as calling yourself a Pedophile as a candidate.

"What's the Problem? It's Latin, go look it up! It just means you love Children ... Doesn't everyone love children? "

As a candidate, you don't want have to be telling people to believe words mean something other than what 95% of people THINK THEY MEAN, even if you're technically correct.

Just my humble opinion.
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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 07:16 PM

28. "A politician that is explaining is losing" - unknown source

 

Having to explain the meaning of "socialism" is a certain loser.
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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 09:14 PM

29. Socialism?? Well...socialism is swell......??

 

All cities have ...running water..Who provides the running water?
All cities have sewage systems..Who provides the sewage systems? (some rural areas do not, and home owners provide sewage systems.)
All cities have police departments?.....same as above...will they be there in an emergency?
All cities have fire departments?........same as above...will they be there in an emergency?
Yes, cities have emergency rooms for health care... No, the cities do not provide that..hospitals do.
.............................................in an emergency Do you get care?
Most cities have parks and playgrounds...Who provides them? Are they open to everyone?
Is there something about libraries?....can anyone go in and read a book?
How about public schools..Only for the rich, or for everyone in that town, What about that one?
...you mean education up to grade 12 for everyone?
Some communities have Jr. Colleges..are they open to everyone?

OH MY....is this ...............creeping socialism???....creep...creep

If "socialism" is toxic...it looks like we all have been .... poisoned..!!

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Thu Mar 14, 2019, 07:03 PM

30. From CNN

 


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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 07:09 PM

31. I fear that any emphasis on socialism will cost the Democrats some house seat

 


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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 12:11 PM

32. From AMJOY, we need Uniter

 


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Response to Gothmog (Reply #32)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 12:32 PM

33. I agree. And I'm not surprised that many like Biden.

 

We need to win, and that's going to take someone with broad appeal, not narrow appeal.

I realize that's difficult for some to accept. Many people have very specific goals and are unwilling to consider anyone who doesn't share their exact goals. But, that's a mistake. A President can't actually cause much of anything to happen. Presidential powers are limited, and collective action by Congress is always needed to do most important things.

So, the President's job is to work on getting Congress to send him things that accomplish goals, not to tell Congress what precise actions that collective should take. That's hard to understand for many people. Many want a President who will push through their specific goals. They know what they want, and that's the main thing for them.

There are about 320 million individual people out there who have things they want. The President is not where wishes are granted, though. The President, if he or she is a good President, wants to achieve goals that help the most people, most of the time. Good Presidents do not take narrow views of long range goals. Instead, they push toward a larger, general goal of improving people's lives.

I hope we remember that as we move toward 2020 and look for a person who has that sort of idea of what a good President is. The narrower the view of a candidate, the less likely that candidate will be to win. We saw the result of that in 2016. We must not make that mistake again. We need to unite in our general goals, not separate due to narrow, personal goals.

I don't know if that's possible. For all I know, 2020 may be my last presidential election, based on statistical data on aging. I hope I go out in a hopeful time, rather than a fearful one.
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Response to MineralMan (Reply #33)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 08:20 PM

43. You cannot get the Democratic nomination without the support of African American voters

 


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Response to Gothmog (Reply #43)

Mon Mar 18, 2019, 09:02 AM

44. I think that some people need to expand their scope of vision.

 

Understanding US politics requires a wide angle lens, not a narrow telescopic view. If the goal is to win, then we need voters from all segments of Democratic constituents.

It's a pretty simple equation, really.
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Response to MineralMan (Reply #44)

Mon Mar 18, 2019, 09:41 AM

45. African American voters are the base of the party

 

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #45)

Mon Mar 18, 2019, 09:46 AM

46. They are part of that base, certainly.

 

However, they are not the entire base of the party. It's a mistake to look at things from such a narrow perspective, I think.

The true base of the party is actually quite moderate in nature. It is made up of people who go to the polls and vote every time. Those who do not do that cannot be the base of any political party.

Many people claim to know who the base of the Democratic Party is. Many of those are dead wrong. The base is a very diverse group of voters who always vote for Democrats, and who always vote in every election. There is no other base. There are blocs of potential voters, but unless they actually show up and vote every time, they are not a "base" at all.
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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 12:49 PM

34. Good point!

 

I don’t think we even have a mainstream Socialist in our political system. Even Bernie Sanders is not a Socialist, but actually a Social Democrat, like in Denmark and Sweden. And, he should be emphasizing that.

But, Baby Boomers and the Silent Generation vote very consistently. And, many of them confuse the label “Democratic Socialist” with the 1950’s Soviet Union. They experienced the Red Scare and the peak of the Cold War.
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Response to Florida Bull (Reply #34)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 01:00 PM

35. The United States is a huge country, with an amazing range

 

of demographics. I'm a boomer, and grew up in a different time from many people, but there are millions and millions of us out there, and we vote in every election. While I know what socialism is, in its various forms, that isn't the case for the majority of people. For most people it is just a generic label for something they have been taught to fear. That won't change.

The Germans had National Socialism. That was shortened to Nazism. The Soviet Union called itself the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Both have been long time adversaries and both used that label. It's no wonder that people born after WWII and who became adults during the Cold War don't like that label.

For the most recent couple of generations of voters, the "Socialist" label doesn't have the same negative connotations, but they're not numerous enough to be a majority of voters. In fact, many of them don't bother to vote at all. And then, we have a strong minority of voters who chose Donald Trump in 2016, for pete's sake.

If we are going to win in 2020, and by winning I mean taking back majority control of Congress as well as electing a Democrat as President, we're going to have to think about all of those demographic groups. If we do not, the same minority that elected Trump will elect more republicans, with the help of propaganda and lies.

We'd better get our act together, I think. We'd better get united pretty damned quickly.
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Response to MineralMan (Reply #35)

Mon Mar 18, 2019, 08:10 PM

50. It is telling that trump is most worried about Beto and Biden

 


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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 01:16 PM

36. I agree, MM and have said in earlier threads:

 

If we are forced to defend socialism in 2020, we lose. Period. The word and the sense of the word simply doesn't fly.

Americans are not socialists nor do they like the idea of socialism. It matters little to explain that we live in a hybrid economy of public/private because most people stop listening after you utter the word 'socialism.'

It is indeed toxic in the larger political arena.

For 2020, winning is everything because without a win, without ridding ourselves of the Chaosmeister, all the things we view as important, vital, critical to our survival go out the window.

Without a Democratic victory in 2020, we might as well take up spitting in the wind.
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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #36)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 01:23 PM

37. Yes. Some people think the word means something it doesn't mean

 

to a lot of people. It still carries a very, very negative connotation for a massive number of voters. Forgetting that will doom any candidate who adopts socialism as a campaign strategy. I'm not worried that a candidate who does that will get the nomination. That won't happen. What worries me is that those who want to champion socialism will simply not vote in 2020. That's the real danger, I think. And it's a scenario that could happen.

We really need to get a handle on this soon, because it won't be a socialist of any kind who comes away from the nominating convention as the nominee. That's not going to happen in 2020. It might in 2024 or 2028, but not in 2020. Socialism is a loaded word. And it's not loaded with winning right now.

Note: I am a philosophical socialist. But, I'm also a political realist.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #37)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 02:24 PM

40. Political realism is vastly underrated

 

Particularly in an election where we're fighting for our lives. Trump is awful but Trumpism is an existential threat. The Trumpster and his whole band of enablers need to be decisively repudiated, and then we start to repair the damage these thugs and criminals have perpetrated.

And yes, I agree. The true danger is that voters turn their back, stay home if their particular candidate doesn't win the nomination. Which is, of course, a decision to cut off your nose to spite your face. Because anything less than a win in the 2020 General will be an unmitigated disaster. For everyone.
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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 02:12 PM

38. I love Robert Reich's tweet about Truman's quote on Socialism

 


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Personally, couldn’t agree more.
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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 02:22 PM

39. I agree, sadly.

 

I do wish we could have an adult discussion about the merits or lack thereof of socialism, but unfortunately our country doesn’t seem ready to have a true conversation about the issue.
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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 02:39 PM

41. For people over 50 on the right, yes

 

It is heavily embraced by those under 40.

The rest of us don't fall for the labeling.
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Response to Mr Tibbs (Reply #41)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 02:51 PM

42. Is it heavily embraced by those under 40?

 

Show me. I have not seen that in reality. So, show me that is the case.
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Mon Mar 18, 2019, 07:43 PM

47. Opinion: The myth of ideology, and why Democrats' energy isn't all on the left

 




The vast majority of Democratic primary voters then and now do not identify as democratic socialists. Perhaps Sanders capitalized on unaffiliated anti-establishment types and Democrats who preferred him despite his ideology and not because of it. Move forward to the 2020 contests. Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) is providing the most substantive, interesting agenda that committed progressives could hope to see. Yet she is lagging in the polls. If this was all about progressive ideology and policy plans, she’d be running rings around the rest of the field.

As for Sanders, he benefits this time around from 100 percent name identification. However, the flip side of 100 percent name ID is that he’s no longer new, no longer saying things no one else will. He’s just as much of a democratic socialist as he was in 2016, but in the space of a few days we’ve seen that the “energy” isn’t all on the left; it’s drifting toward a centrist, young, optimistic candidate. Voters follow the energy and the ethos. They don’t carry around a thermometer gauging where on the scale of ideological purity each candidate rates.....

All you need to be is progressive enough to win a Democratic primary. Seeming more moderate than the Sanders clan is an advantage in the general election.

Why are pundits, the media and party insiders so convinced that ideological extremism equals energy/success? Part of it may be wishful thinking for progressives. However, part of the difficulty is linguistic. "Moderate” sounds to many ears to mean mild-mannered, prone to compromise and wishy-washy in beliefs. Nonsense. If ever there was a radical moderate, a fervent centrist Democrat, it’s O’Rourke. And gosh, he’s showing that can be exciting.
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Response to Gothmog (Reply #47)

Mon Mar 18, 2019, 07:51 PM

48. In my opinion, the majority of Democratic voters

 

want sanity, stability, and sensibility from their nominee in 2020. Biden will fit that bill nicely if he runs. Add a VP nominee with some fire who appeals to women and the younger demographic groups, and you have a winning ticket. Kamala Harris is a great fit.

That's my pick for the 2020 ticket. Biden/Harris 2020!
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Response to MineralMan (Reply #48)

Mon Mar 18, 2019, 08:09 PM

49. As is normal for us, we are in agreement

 

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #48)

Mon Mar 18, 2019, 08:13 PM

51. I'll vote for Pam's sister Kamala, but yeah. :D

 

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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #51)

Mon Mar 18, 2019, 08:15 PM

52. Damned Autocorrect!

 

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon Mar 18, 2019, 08:15 PM

53. You would think this would be obvious

 

But apparently it isn’t 😳
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Mon Mar 18, 2019, 09:16 PM

54. Unfortunately, you are 100% correct MM. nt

 

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Response to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon Mar 18, 2019, 09:19 PM

56. This exactly. The term scares too many people who...

 

still equate it with communist bogeymen.
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