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Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:14 PM

 

I hope Harris will explain her appointment to, and work for, the CA Medical Assistance Commission

Harris has made it clear that she believes the primaries should include vettng of what candidates said and did decades ago.

So I hope that she and/or her campaign will offer voters some detailed information on her appointment in 1994 to a California state commission that paid $99,000 a year (plus benefits, according to a San Francisco Chronicle article) for going to two meetings taking a few hours per month.

This is the California law creating that commission:

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displayText.xhtml?lawCode=WIC&division=9.&title=&part=3.&chapter=7.&article=5.1.

This is the paragraph explaining the requirements for being on the commission:

The commission shall be composed of seven voting members and two ex officio members. The voting members shall be selected from persons with experience in management of hospital services, risk management insurance or prepaid health programs, the delivery of health services, the management of county health systems, and a representative of recipients of service. The Directors of the Department of Health Services and the Department of Finance, or their designees, shall serve as ex officio nonvoting members of the commission.


Emphasis added.

Harris had absolutely none of those qualifications. She was an assistant or deputy DA for Alameda County when she was appointed, and she continued working as a full-time prosecutor while also serving on the medical commission for years, earning hundreds of thousands of dollars of additional income from the commission.

I would really like to know, in some detail, just how much work Harris did for the commission.

I'm particularly interested after reading, in a San Francisco Chronicle artlcle from 2002, that Harris "registered the highest absentee rate during her last two years on the panel, missing nearly 20 percent of the meetings."

https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Lawmakers-put-cronies-in-plum-jobs-Big-pay-few-2864693.php

That article explains that a number of people who apparently didn't have proper qualifications were appointed to this commission and others.

But those other people aren't running for president, let alone stressing that it's important to look at a candidate's record going back decades.

So I'd like a detailed explanation from Harris of why she accepted an appointment to a commission for which she had none of the qualifications stipulated by the law creating that commission.

I'd like to know what work she did for the commission during those years. It would be particularly helpful to have statements about this from third parties who did have the sort of experience stipulated by that California law -- expert testimony always helps.

I'd like to know why she had the highest absentee rate, when she only had to show up for two meetings a month.

Please note I'm citing the SF Chronicle, a very reputable paper, for this background.

And please note, too, that I'm also pointing out, via the article, that there was a pattern of unqualified people being appointed to a few California commissions that paid very high salaries for very few hours of work.

I'm not saying that this wasn't a systemic problem, and an embarrassment for everyone involved in it.

But because Harris is running for president, and because she's insistent that candidates' backgrounds from decades ago must be considered, I would like to see her, or her campaign, provide thorough and convincing information about this.

I'd also like to know, since Harris accepted an appointment for which she had none of the qualifications, how carefully she'd consider qualifications of people she'll appoint if elected president...or if she thinks that under certain circumstances the customary or even legally-required qualifications can be ignored.

Having these questions answered would go a long way toward removing some doubts I've had about Harris (who had previously been one of my favorites among the Democratic candidates) after learning more about her background.
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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:20 PM

1. She isn't doing well enough yet to be vetted in any meaningful way.

 

She is getting close.

It's going to be tough for her to move forward past the vetting stage considering her career path.
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Response to SouthernProgressive (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:24 PM

2. She should have the answers ready anyway. Including now, for Democrats like myself who'd had

 

a much higher opinion of her before learning more about her background.

She's considered in the top tier of candidates now. Vetting shouldn't be only for the front-runner.
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:28 PM

6. Vetting is for people who have a shot.

 

There are extremely good reasons to not vet those who are on the outside. Harris is right there. I guess at this point, considering the promotion, she has probably hit the spot where she has a shot.

Let the vetting commence.

"She should have the answers ready anyway."

I'm well read on Harris. There simply isn't an answer for some of her history outside of deflecting to the good work she has done.

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:32 PM

15. I want to follow up with what I mean about how deflection will be necessary to defend her record.

 

She will simply turn it around to attack other Democrats for something completely unattached.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=199236

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=199244

I imagine Harris will be willing use the exact same tactic.
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Response to SouthernProgressive (Reply #15)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 07:42 PM

68. She's also fond of saying "Let's move on" (judging by what I've read) but seems to have a double

 

standard if she wants to focus on someone else's past.
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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:25 PM

3. "Joe Biden Used Tax-Code Loophole Obama Tried to Plug"

 

In the same spirit of your OP, "believing the primaries should include vetting of what candidates said and did" just over the last 2 years:

"Former vice president structured his speaking, writing business in a way that cut his tax bill

The presidential candidate and his wife used a strategy that let the couple avoid paying a 3.8% self-employment tax on book and speech income.
By Richard Rubin


Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden used a tax loophole that the Obama administration tried and failed to close, substantially lowering his tax bill.

Mr. Biden and his wife, Dr. Jill Biden, routed their book and speech income through S corporations, according to tax returns the couple released this week. They paid income taxes on those profits, but the strategy let the couple avoid the 3.8% self-employment tax they would have paid had they been compensated directly instead of through the S corporations.

The tax savings were as much as $500,000, compared to what the Bidens would have owed if paid directly or if the Obama proposal had become law.

“There’s no reason for these to be in an S corp—none, other than to save on self-employment tax,” said Tony Nitti, an accountant at RubinBrown LLP who reviewed the returns."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/joe-biden-used-tax-code-loophole-obama-tried-to-plug-11562779300

Lucrative appointments to Commissions, Creative use of tax loopholes... it should all be vetted.
Better now than in the General Election.
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Response to bluewater (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:29 PM

7. So your response to my OP about Harris accepting an appointment for which she had none

 

of the qualifications required by that law is to point out that Biden used a legal tax loophole?
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:33 PM

16. Lucrative appointments to Commissions, Creative use of tax loopholes... it should all be vetted.

 

That legal loophole was one Obama tried to close.

But honestly, please, lets vet all this now in the primaries.

Better now than in the General Election.
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:47 PM

24. Why wouldn't a DA who pursues criminal cases in the name of "the People"

 

be a "representative of recipients of such services"? Wouldn't a prosecutor be representing them in relevant criminal matters?

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Sat Jul 13, 2019, 07:04 PM

142. What was her job / position at the time?

 

Do you have a link to her “backhanded acknowledgment?

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Response to bluewater (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:29 PM

9. There is nothing wrong with what Biden did.

 

Where is Biden mentioned in the op?

Your post is a statement about "bluewater," not Biden like you think it is.
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Response to SouthernProgressive (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:55 PM

31. Correct

 

There is nothing unethical in using a tax code provision exactly as it was intended. There was no decption involved in using this provision. Biden did not pull political strings to get this written into the law to specifically benefit him. It is no worse that the millions of home owners deducting their mortgage payments (another dubious tax break IMHO).

If there is a problem, it is with the tax code, not with Biden
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Response to bluewater (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:45 PM

22. Whataboutism is a great way to avoid directly answering a question.

 

And we can certainly empathize with your desire to avoid a direct answer to the OP, as it's a very efficient method of holding others to a higher standard than what you hold yours to.

"Same spirit..." would seem more sincere if a laugh-track were played along with it.
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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #22)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:51 PM

28. OP: "believing the primaries should include vetting of what candidates said and did"

 

Leaves the door wide open to discuss vetting the candidates on what they said and did.

boom. mic drop.




Seriously, Biden using a TAX LOOPHOLE that President Obama tried to close is, well, unseemly.
Just as lucrative appointments to Commissions are also unseemly.

I naively thought the discussion was about ANY and ALL candidates making money in unseemly ways, trying to limit the focus to Harris seems unfair.
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Response to bluewater (Reply #28)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 02:07 PM

113. This is a thread about something else

 

You are trying to vet someone else. Make a separate thread.
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Response to bluewater (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 05:11 PM

63. Biden would be a fool to piss away half a million USD. He filed legally.

 

Don't hate the playa, hate the game.
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Response to bluewater (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 07:26 PM

65. WHATABOUTBIDEN?! lol

 

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Response to bluewater (Reply #3)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 02:06 PM

112. Changing the subject

 

Like Republicans and "but Hillary" or "but Obama."

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:26 PM

4. Was this during the time she was dating Willie Brown, Democratic speaker of the California State

 

Assembly?
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Response to jalan48 (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:30 PM

10. See the SF Chronicle article I cited.

 

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #10)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:30 PM

11. Thanks. I'll read the whole article.

 

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:32 PM

14. Yes. Can you guess who appointed her?

 

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:27 PM

5. I didn't realize she was getting full and full benefits from the Commission and...

 

Full pay and full benefits as prosecutor.

Is the correct ??? B
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Response to 4139 (Reply #5)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:31 PM

13. According to everything I've been able to discover, it is correct. The SF Chronice article I link

 

to in the OP points out she wasn't the only one doing that. It was a systemic problem. It still needs to be addressed when she's running for president.
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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:29 PM

8. Didn't Michelle Obama have some hospital admin job, too?

 

I vaguely recall that she also had some sweetheart deal at a hospital.
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Response to LisaM (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:30 PM

12. What office was she holding at the time? NT

 

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Response to SouthernProgressive (Reply #12)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:35 PM

20. Assistant DA. She was one of "the People's" representatives in criminal court cases.

 

Hence her slogan"Kamala Harris: For the People.
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Response to lapucelle (Reply #20)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:37 PM

21. The poster was referencing Obama.

 

Easy to look over that level of deflection.
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Response to SouthernProgressive (Reply #12)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 01:33 PM

40. She wasn't, but I always remembered it because she didn't have a hospital background.

 

It got kind of glossed over, but I only mentioned it because it nudged my memory. I remember thinking that it didn't make sense.
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Response to LisaM (Reply #40)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 02:20 PM

41. She had a background in administration.

 

Guess that didn't nudge up against your memory.

Love the verbiage you use to hedge.

Didn't. Vaguely. Sweetheart. Nudged.

"I only mentioned it because it nudged my memory."



Unlike the rest of her background. That wasn't even a good attempt.
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Response to SouthernProgressive (Reply #12)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 04:46 PM

57. Lol

 

Geeze Louise! Whaddabout Michelle Obama?!?
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Response to LisaM (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:35 PM

19. The difference is she wasn't appointed by her boyfriend

 

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Response to Jose Garcia (Reply #19)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:57 PM

33. I don't particularly care about Harris's past relationships. I do care that she accepted an

 

appointment to a lucrative state job whose qualifications were spelled out by law, and whose qualifications she didn't begin to meet, judging by everything I've been able to learn.

I care about her having the highest absentee rate on that commission, too, and would like an explanation for that.
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Response to LisaM (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 01:23 PM

39. she had a JOB. a job she was more than qualified for.

 

and a job that recruited her hard.

not that that has anything to do w anything.
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Response to LisaM (Reply #8)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 02:09 PM

114. Michelle Obama is not running for President

 

So there's no reason to vet her.

Whatever the facts are about Michelle, it has nothing to do with this thread.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #8)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 06:01 PM

133. She was a lawyer with experience in community relations through the city of Chicago.

 

Michelle was named executive director of community relations and external affairs for the University of Chicago Hospitals in 2002. She had the experience and studied sociology.
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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:33 PM

17. concern trolling articles can really be entertaining at times. nt

 

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Response to yaesu (Reply #17)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:47 PM

25. Abject denial of reality to support bias is also bemusing. At times. nt, part II

 

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Response to yaesu (Reply #17)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:47 PM

26. This isn't concern trolling. I've stated in this forum previously that Harris was among my favorite

 

and I said again and again that I thought she'd be a great VP if Biden is the nominee.

I changed my mind about her after learning more about her background, and I would like to know what explanations she can offer for the questions I raised in my OP.
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #26)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:53 PM

29. Trashing one candidate to promote another

 

A typical day at DU.
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Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #29)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:59 PM

35. Again, I'd had a high opinion of Harris, and had said so here, before learning more about her

 

background. I would like these questions answered.
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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:33 PM

18. Would she be considered "a representative of recipients of service"

 

in her capacity as a prosecutor of crimes against them? Wouldn't a DA / prosecutor be a representative of those recipients in criminal court cases?

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #18)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:45 PM

23. I ran across nothing explaining her appointment to the board that way. Harris's own explanation

 

to San Francisco Weekly in 2003 was that she had a "level of life knowledge and common sense" that she brought to the job. I'm guessing that if she'd have been appointed as a "representative of recipients of service" she'd have mentioned that.

IMO, given the qualifications stipulated by that law, it was clear that the intent of the law was to have someone with extensive experience representing recipients of health services, and that wasn't Harris's background.

If you'll read the article, you''ll see, as I said in the OP, that she wasn't the only person with trivial or nonexistent qualifications appointed to this commission or a couple of others that paid high salaries for very little work (as opposed to more typical state commissions that paid very little). It was a badly run system.

But the fact other people without qualifications were being appointed does not excuse Harris's accepting this appointment to a commission important in a field she had no expertise in.
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #23)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:55 PM

30. I read the article. It was interestig.

 

Guesses and personal opinions are interesting as well. Not particularly convincing, but certainly interesting.
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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:51 PM

27. Moi aussi.

 

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:56 PM

32. another mountain out of a molehill

 

Considering all that Harris has accomplished in her career, I bet she actually did a great job on the commission
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Also from the article:
Harris defended her work on the commission, saying that the workload was 'significant' and that she was proud that she was able to help underserved communities. 'The commission's work is very important,' she said.
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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:58 PM

34. So now we are criticizing people for working with Medi-Cal (Medicaid), the best model

 

for a government run healthcare system in America.

Christ, that’s misguided.
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Response to Hoyt (Reply #34)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 01:02 PM

36. No, I'm questioning someone accepting a high-paying appointment to a commission for which

 

they had none of the qualifications stipulated by the law creating that commission. And a commission where they had the highest absentee rate for years.
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #36)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 01:08 PM

37. I'm glad she has that experience. It's a positive.

 

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #37)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 01:19 PM

38. Would you accept an appoointment to a highly paid commission doing important work if you had

 

none of the qualifications and experience stipulated in the law creating that commission?

And would you then skip more of the twice-monthly meetings than anyone else on the commission?
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #38)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 03:49 PM

47. I actually worked for another state Medicaid program. The Board was made up of highly

 

qualified community leaders, and Harris is highly qualified.

Board members would get voluminous packages and agendas, and often communicated their wishes to staff and/or the Chairman, without attending meetings. Votes were not always taken in person, and important issues were often handled without formal meetings.

You are missing the point(s), and/or just trying to disparage her.
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Response to Hoyt (Reply #47)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 04:00 PM

50. +1000 nt

 

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #47)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 04:51 PM

59. ...

 

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #47)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 07:41 PM

67. I don't know what your state's law stipulated as qualifications for members of that program, but

 

the California law creating that commission was quite specific, and Harris did not meet those qualifications.
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #67)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 08:00 PM

70. Apparently she, and others like her, did meet the qualifications.

 

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #70)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 08:19 PM

72. No, they were NOT qualified...which was the point of that SF Chronicle article.

 

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #72)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:37 PM

85. Where did it say Harris wasn't qualified. Answer: it doesn't.

 

It says that no where in the article.

The truth is, she was imminently qualified for the commission and said it was important work.
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Response to Politicub (Reply #85)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:43 PM

87. There's absolutely no evidence I've been able to find that says she was the person appointed

 

to the commission to represent recipients of the medical services concerned.

Unless there's some evidence that the other commission members filled the other qualifications cited, and she was appointed specifically to represent recipients of care, then you've just assigned her a role on the commission with no particular reason for doing so. As far as I've been able to discover, she never said that was her role on the commission.

And again, she had no experience in the field.

She has defended her work for the commission -- of course she would -- but I'd like third parties who are qualified to verify that.
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Response to Hoyt (Reply #70)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 06:28 PM

136. Who made the appointments?-Willie Brown, the sole decider.

 

Willie Brown who was known for political favors and investigated for corruption for handing out favors. 2 indictments for his buddies.
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Response to 58Sunliner (Reply #136)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 06:47 PM

138. Willie Brown is one of the most accomplished politicians in this country. He recognizes

 

those traits in others, too.

But thanks for joining in bashing Harris.
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #38)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 03:57 PM

48. Harris attended 80% of the twice a month meetings.

 

80% seems like a pretty good attendance rate for the twice a month meeting, doesn't it?

It would have been fairer to mention that Harris actually attended 80% of all the meetings.

That's hardly a "no show" job, right?
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #38)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 04:06 PM

53. So 24 meetings a year

 

48 over two years she was on it.

80 percent of 48 is 38.4 and I'm assuming we are talking give or take one meeting.

So that means that she attended 19/24 meetings both years one would assume, on average.

That's even assuming it's exactly 20 percent and not say rounded up from 17% or something.

Yeah, sorry, not all that spun up about that number. She didn't put herself on the commission and it's not like there wasn't a pattern and practice of putting other "not qualified in healthcare" people on the commission.
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #36)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:45 PM

105. agree! All of us complain bitterly about repukes having cush jobs they are not really qualified for

 

It’s an issue that should be better explained by the candidate.

And, indeed she is not really at the stage where “vetting” is serious. Yes, she’s moved up in the polls but still trails badly where she needs it the most ... with the AA vote. Currently trailing Biden by 29 pts


https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287199440#post15
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Response to Hoyt (Reply #34)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 06:05 PM

134. Way to misdirect with a straw man.

 

Yeah, she already basically admitted she was not qualified.
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Response to 58Sunliner (Reply #134)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 06:52 PM

140. Where does Harris say she was not qualified?

 

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 02:57 PM

43. If Kamala becomes our nominee, I'll need to clearly explain this

 

controversial appointment to those who raise the question to me. Hopefully this issue will be addressed and satisfactorily put to rest long before the General Election.
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Response to oasis (Reply #43)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 03:58 PM

49. Tell them that Harris attended 80% of the Commission meetings.

 

That should calm them down some, don't you thin?
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Response to bluewater (Reply #49)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 04:20 PM

55. Decent attendance rate, but her qualifications for the appointment

 

would be a challenge for me to defend.
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Response to oasis (Reply #55)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 04:36 PM

56. Qualifications required: "... and a representative of recipients of service."

 

That was one of the qualifications mentioned in the OP.

As a prominent African American political figure, don't her contacts with members of the community, the recipients of the service, meet that qualification?

Sure seems so to me.

Honestly, the article quoted in the OP sounds a bit like a hatchet job on Harris.
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Response to bluewater (Reply #56)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 05:02 PM

61. One could argue that a $99k post would be filled by one

 

who met every requirement. How many more qualified applicants were passed over?

For sure, Biden, E.W., Mayor Pete, and Bernie won't touch the issue in the debates. Trump will throw everything he can at her.
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Response to oasis (Reply #61)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 05:11 PM

62. One could argue almost anything but...

 

Qualification: members shall be selected from persons with experience in management of hospital services, risk management insurance or prepaid health programs, the delivery of health services, the management of county health systems, and a representative of recipients of service.

You want individual applicants that met EVERY ONE of those requirements? oh, my.

Maybe super humans were not available and they had to select from people qualified in the individual fields?

Seems likely.

Under that more reasonable selection process, Harris would be very qualified as a representative of recipients of service.

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Response to bluewater (Reply #62)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:00 PM

92. I would think that would mean someone who is receiving those services

 

but admittedly in the real world that often doesn't happen but I would think a legal aid attorney would be a better legal representative of recipients of those services.
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Response to oasis (Reply #61)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 06:55 PM

141. According to your reading, only person qualified would be a hospital CEO.

 

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Response to oasis (Reply #43)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 02:12 PM

115. Good point. Her Biden thing was defended as a toughening up exercise

 

Republicans will use this - I've seen them do it already on her badly policed Facebook page, where every troll who can type has made many vile accusations. We'd best be prepared. Wasn't that the argument? Biden was not prepared, and that was said to be a problem.
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Response to treestar (Reply #115)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 02:42 PM

120. If favoritism played a role in her $99k appointment, primary voters

 

need to find out, pronto.
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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 03:31 PM

44. LOL!

 

I knew this was posted by a Biden supporter before I ever got to the preferred candidate tag.

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Response to SharonClark (Reply #44)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 03:45 PM

46. Yep. You can count on it.

 

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Response to SharonClark (Reply #44)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 02:19 PM

119. There are certain Harris supporters

 

who do the same thing. I don't like the negativity, but when Harris started on it, complaining about turnabout is hypocritical.


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Response to treestar (Reply #119)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 02:19 AM

150. Exactly, Treestar! Why should she

 

be exempt from Vetting when she's Vetting Joe Biden last century?

Riddle me that?

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 03:45 PM

45. Yawn.

 

So many anti-Harris posts on DU. Doesn’t help Biden at all.
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Response to stopbush (Reply #45)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 04:04 PM

51. Exactly!

 

the only helped by these attacks, will be trump!
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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 04:06 PM

54. Harris attended 80% of the meetings.

 

Why was that fact not mentioned in all these posts?

Was that left out to imply that Harris had some sort of "no-show job"?

That was hardly the case, she attended 80% of the bi-monthly meetings.

And what was the absentee rate for the OTHER people on this commission, hmm?
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Response to bluewater (Reply #54)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 04:50 PM

58. Well, she was highly paid for that job

 

No idea how important these meetings were, it could be that much more work was done outside these meetings. But as we are talking about participation rates, I don't know why 80% would be remarkable. It certainly wouldn't be for me if I showed up for 80% of my job duties.
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Response to Hav (Reply #58)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 05:00 PM

60. The article doesn't mention the attendance rate for other Commission members

 

So it's hard to tell if it was out of the ordinary. For instance, missing just 5 of the 48 meetings over that 4 year period would give an attendance rate of 89.6%.

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Response to bluewater (Reply #54)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 07:36 PM

66. You seem to have problems with reading comprehension.

 

From my OP, which quotes the Chronicle article:


I'm particularly interested after reading, in a San Francisco Chronicle artlcle from 2002, that Harris "registered the highest absentee rate during her last two years on the panel, missing nearly 20 percent of the meetings."

https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Lawmakers-put-cronies-in-plum-jobs-Big-pay-few-2864693.php



Your amazing complaint:

Harris attended 80% of the meetings.

Why was that fact not mentioned in all these posts?



Since it should be obvious to anyone with even the most rudimentary math skills that if she missed 20% of the meetings, she attended 80%, I didn't think it was necessary to do the elementary school math for you.

But I certainly wasn't hiding that fact from you, because I do expect people here to be able to do that level of math.

Sheesh.

As for the rest of your post indicating reading problems:

And what was the absentee rate for the OTHER people on this commission, hmm?



I don't know the exact absentee rate for the others.

But according to the SF Chronicle, Harris had "the highest absentee rate."
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #66)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 08:00 PM

69. And yet you never mentioned she had an 80% attendance rate in all subsequent posts.

 

A wink is as good as a nod, eh?

1. "I care about her having the highest absentee rate on that commission, too, and would like an explanation for that."

2. "And a commission where they had the highest absentee rate for years."

3. "And would you then skip more of the twice-monthly meetings than anyone else on the commission?"

Boy, oh boy.

Those posts would have come across "a little different" if you actually said in them that Harris had an 80% attendance rate and that you did NOT know the attendance rate of any other member of the commission, don't you think?

I think so.

Honestly, the article in the OP just seems like a hatchet job on Harris.
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Response to bluewater (Reply #69)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 09:19 PM

74. LOL!

 

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Response to bluewater (Reply #69)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:56 PM

107. I worked in the medical field all my life. Sat on various boards for air lift medical transport

 

Had I missed even 15% of those mtgs, I would have been out of a job!!
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Response to bluewater (Reply #54)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 09:52 PM

80. If I missed one day every week at my job, I would be fired

 

But I was there 80% of the time..... lol
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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 07:22 PM

64. Oh goody. Concern threads...

 

Now do one about Biden's duties at the University of Pennsylvania, which paid him $900,000 over the last 2 years.



Note: I don't care how Biden or Harris earned their money. They're both highly intelligent, motivated people who work to do good for the people they serve. I think the OPs concern about Harris' qualifications for this committee are ridiculous, just like the concern about Biden's duties at PENN are ridiculous.

Sid
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Response to SidDithers (Reply #64)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 08:23 PM

73. Exactly!

 

Well said Sid.
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Response to SidDithers (Reply #64)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 09:35 PM

76. Re what Penn is paying Biden:

 

https://www.inquirer.com/news/joe-biden-penn-salary-lectures-20190712.html


Asked this week about Biden’s role and responsibilities, a Penn spokesperson pointed prominently to the former vice president’s clout and reach.

“Vice President Biden has helped to expand Penn’s global outreach, while sharing his wisdom and insights with thousands of Penn students through seminars, talks, and classroom visits,” emailed Penn spokesperson Ron Ozio. “With decades of experience on the world stage, including eight years as vice president and 36 years in the U.S. Senate, he has been able to reach out to prominent world figures, bringing them to Penn’s campus for forums and conferences to discuss and debate critically important issues including immigration, climate change, Brexit, national defense, and global diplomacy.”




Harris was a 29-year-old deputy or assistant DA with absolutely no experience or qualifications for the job she was appointed to on that commission.

Bit of a difference there...
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Response to SidDithers (Reply #64)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 09:43 PM

79. Oh, and please note that, as the article explains, the average salary of a Penn professor is $270K.

 

Penn pays well.

Biden's paid more, but he brings more to the university than an average professor.

https://www.inquirer.com/news/joe-biden-penn-salary-lectures-20190712.html
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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 08:11 PM

71. I hope she explains stuff better than Biden does

 

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Response to Skittles (Reply #71)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 09:33 PM

75. lol.. another shot Biden.

 

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 09:37 PM

77. I'm not following your thinking. What's the issue?

 

The commission called for someone to represent recipient of service. It's great that Harris was able to represent underserved communities while on the commission. All too often, underserved communities do not have an advocate.

There's nothing disqualifying here for me. Interesting article, though. Sounds like the state of California has a lot of these commissions for random things.

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Response to Politicub (Reply #77)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:11 PM

81. Politicub, since the qualifications stipulated in the law creating the commission referred to

 

experience in the field, I really don't think the idea was to pick someone with zero experience representing Medi-Cal recipients.

Nor have I read anything suggesting that Harris was placed on the commission to be the person representing recipients of service.

Maybe there is some evidence that she was, and that she actually had some experience in this.

If so, I hope she or her campaign can present it.

Because otherrwise, as the article points out, it looks like cronyism. And although she wasn't the only person without any evident qualifications benefiting from being appointed to one of these jobs, she's the one running for president and insisting on looking decades back at candidates' records.
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #81)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:29 PM

83. She wasn't some random person off the street. You do realize that, highplainsdem, don't you?

 

She worked in the district attorney's office in San Francisco at the time. Her job was representing people, on behalf of the state, who came from all walks of life. That's what a prosecutor does.

That made her more than qualified to serve on the commission based on the charter of the commission that you posted.

From the article:


Harris defended her work on the commission, saying that the workload was 'significant' and that she was proud that she was able to help underserved communities. 'The commission's work is very important,' she said.


There's your answer. If you don't like it, I can't help you. I don't see cronyism here. But then again, I'm not looking through the same lens you are.
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Response to Politicub (Reply #83)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:39 PM

86. It is hard to think she thought it was important when she didn't show up for board meetings

 

20% of the time.
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Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:46 PM

89. She was there 80% of the time AND had a full-time job in the DA's office AND was highly qualified.

 

Those are all net positives.

I'll just leave this here, since I think it applies:

“Whatever women do they must do twice as well as men to be thought half as good. Luckily, this is not difficult.”

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Response to Politicub (Reply #89)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:50 PM

91. I am on a board myself which meets once a month

 

I have a full time job and I attend all the meetings of the board I am on and I don't make any money let alone 90k for being on that board. So don't pull this you are a sexist bullshit. She took that job, which paid 90k, for less than 50 hours of work PER YEAR. The very least she could have done was show up for the meetings. She missed more meetings than any other member of that board.
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Response to dsc (Reply #91)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:04 PM

94. Some posts insinuate she didn't belong there or wasn't good enough. That's offensive to me.

 

So, yes. The quote holds: It looks to me like she has had to work twice as hard for her entire career, like most women, because of the bullshit, sexist perceptions that people hold.

And, it wasn't her fault that California had highly paid people on commissions. The state isn't a charity and she didn't make the law.

Oh, and I will continue to point out willful or unconscious bias where it exists.
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Response to Politicub (Reply #94)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:09 PM

97. again, I am a board member

 

I don't get paid for it. She made over 1 and a half times my entire yearly income to work 50 hours a year, the very least she could do is show up for those hours. It isn't sexist to insist you actually do the job you are being paid not only a living wage but a salary that is above the median salary for your state for a job that is 50 hours of work. You can bet if we find that Joe Biden sat on some board, got paid 90k and had the worst attendance on the entire board I would be every bit as not happy as I am with this.
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Response to Politicub (Reply #77)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 06:38 PM

137. Well you should probably understand the context in which not one, but 2 jobs were

 

given to her by Willie. She admitted she was not qualified for the positions. She was an assistant DA in Alameda. When was she a rep of recipient of service? She was a prosecutor. Completely unrelated.
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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 09:42 PM

78. Bookmarking. n/t

 

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:14 PM

82. Looking at the replies Biden and Warren folks have

 

their panties in a wad over something that isn’t a negative.

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Response to wasupaloopa (Reply #82)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:33 PM

84. I'm a Warren person, and I have no idea what the issue is. I do have a sense for the motivation...

 

behind trying to take something positive that Harris did and turn it into a negative, though. But that's politics.

My flame-proof underpants are firmly in place since things are just getting started.
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Response to Politicub (Reply #84)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:44 PM

88. They need to understand these kind of commissions

 

They are a side position that professionals take on.

Sometimes it is a requirement for the professional license.

It is like a type of community service.
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Response to wasupaloopa (Reply #88)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:50 PM

90. I agree. My grandmother served on the board of a non-profit and had a full-time job. She wasn't able

 

to attend every single meeting, either. But she put in a lot of time on behalf of the non-profit on top of her other responsibilities.
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Response to Politicub (Reply #90)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:02 PM

93. was she paid 90k for it

 

that is my issue. She was being paid more than the median income (way more than it) for a job that was 50 hours a year.
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Response to dsc (Reply #93)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:05 PM

95. Had she been offered $90k, she would have taken it. Do you think that Harris set her own salary?

 

Honestly? The commission was bound by state law. Like I posted above, that was the set salary. And Harris deserved every penny.
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Response to Politicub (Reply #95)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:10 PM

98. she deserved 80% of it since that is what she showed up for

 

if I missed 20% of the days at my work I would be docked those days after my sick leave ran out.
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Response to dsc (Reply #98)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:16 PM

100. Maybe so. Makes sense to me.

 

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Response to dsc (Reply #93)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 12:48 PM

109. She did not make the rules. She has no fault here.

 

You may not like it but it isn’t something Harris needs to apologize for. It is a contrived hit piece.
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Response to wasupaloopa (Reply #109)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 01:12 PM

111. the rules forced her to miss 20% of the meetings?

 

What rule was that? She got paid $2000 an hour for a job and was a no show 1/5 of the time.
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Response to dsc (Reply #111)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 03:53 PM

126. Give it up

 

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Response to dsc (Reply #93)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 03:47 PM

122. That was the salary. It was indeed great money.

 

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Response to Politicub (Reply #90)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:07 PM

96. Again, you're talking about a different type of board. This health-care comimission was established

 

by a law stipulating specific experience/credentials. Which Harris did not have.

If in fact she did have such credentials and was considered an appointee meeting those requirements set by law, then I'd expect there to be a paper trail -- correspondence and/or news stories -- explaining this.

Just as there should be a paper trail of work she did for the commission, and an explanation of why she missed more meetings than the other commission members.
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #96)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:13 PM

99. That is being pedantic. People are smart enough to know the difference.

 

I'm done fighting with people who are saying she wasn't good enough to represent people even though she was an ADA.

You don't agree. So I will agree to disagree at this point.
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #96)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:29 PM

101. I don't think article said she missed more meetings than others.

 

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #101)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:32 PM

102. Yes, it did. As I quoted in the OP.

 

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #102)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:51 PM

106. First off, she was working for people of California. Second, you don't mention her record

 

during her complete time on Commission, the other years. Finally, the last too years might have been her personal high, poorly written hit piece.

Finally plus 1, 20% ain’t bad when you are doing other things for your constituents, especially if one is still participating in decisions when not able to attend other meetings.

But, Biden should appreciate your efforts. He probably ought to report it as an in-kind contribution.
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Response to Politicub (Reply #90)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 02:16 PM

118. It was described as the highest absentee rate of anyone on that commission

 

So there's that.
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Response to wasupaloopa (Reply #88)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 12:15 AM

108. No. These offer an opportunity for nepotism and eating at the public trough.

 

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Response to emmaverybo (Reply #108)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 03:44 PM

121. Harris was more than qualified. There was no nepotism.

 

This is a bizarre thread.
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Response to Politicub (Reply #121)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 03:50 PM

124. She was not qualified for this particular commission. NT

 

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Response to emmaverybo (Reply #124)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 03:53 PM

125. Your talking point has been debunked. This has been covered over and over again

 

in this thread.

Just scroll up and you will see an array of posters who explain why she was qualified.
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Response to Politicub (Reply #125)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 04:43 PM

128. Stretch it all you want. Obviously this was the technicality used to bring people in to enjoy the

 

spoils. I’ve seen this show before.
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Response to emmaverybo (Reply #128)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 04:49 PM

129. You see what you want to see. I can't help you.

 

This whole thing started as a right wing smear and Harris’ opponents gleefully decided to run with it.
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Response to wasupaloopa (Reply #88)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 02:16 PM

117. Not if you get paid 90K per year

 

That can hardly be "service."
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Response to wasupaloopa (Reply #88)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 06:10 PM

135. No-you probably need to understand the political machine of California.

 

Willie Brown. It's not community service at 90k. It wasn't required for any license.
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Response to wasupaloopa (Reply #82)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:36 PM

104. No, certainly

 

getting an almost do-nothing position that pays a load of money, that you weren't qualified for in the first place and not showing up for the paltry two meetings a month 20 percent of the time, just because your married boyfriend who is twice your age got it for you, yeah, that's no big deal.

I agree with the OP: I'd like to hear Sen. Harris explain this away.
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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #104)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 12:50 PM

110. She has nothing to explain. You don't Like it that is your problem.

 

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Response to wasupaloopa (Reply #110)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 01:00 AM

145. Oh, it will be Sen. Harris' problem soon enough in the debates

 

She's no longer a low single digit vanity candidate, the target is going to be on her back, too. If the moderators don't ask about it, I surely expect that another candidate will bring it up. Not Joe, not Pete, not Bernie, maybe not Liz, but somebody about to be booted from the next debate will take a shot at it.

And you know Trump will, if Sen. Harris gets the nomination.
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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #145)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 01:28 AM

146. It will probably be Gabbard who lets the air out of her tires.

 

And it probably won't be pretty. Kamala's not going to like getting the tables turned on her by a younger rival.
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Response to wasupaloopa (Reply #82)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 02:14 PM

116. It was just vetting when panties were in a wad

 

over Biden's 1970s votes.
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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:35 PM

103. posted without comment...

 


from the 2002 San Francisco Chronicle article on this:

[link:https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Lawmakers-put-cronies-in-plum-jobs-Big-pay-few-2864693.php|]

In 1994, Speaker Brown even appointed his then-girlfriend, Kamala Harris. While on the commission the next four years, Harris worked full time as a prosecutor for Alameda and San Francisco counties. She also registered the highest absentee rate during her last two years on the panel, missing nearly 20 percent of the meetings.

Harris defended her work on the commission, saying that the workload was 'significant' and that she was proud that she was able to help underserved communities. 'The commission's work is very important,' she said.


The GOP press has noticed:

[link:https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/kamala-harris-launched-political-career-with-120k-patronage-job-from-boyfriend-willie-brown|]

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Response to RHMerriman (Reply #103)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 03:50 PM

123. It's a cheap shot by a right wing site.

 

What did you expect?
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Response to Politicub (Reply #123)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 01:30 AM

148. What goes around comes around.

 

That's politics.
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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 04:35 PM

127. K&R nt

 

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 05:48 PM

130. It wasn't the only job Willie gave her either, for which she was unqualified.

 

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She ran for DA of SF after re-iterating her opponents details about their sex lives, then promised not to run a negative campaign.
"Brown's relationship with Alamada County deputy district attorney Kamala Harris preceded his appointment of Harris to two California state commissions in the early 1990s. The positions on the Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board and the California Medical Assistance Commission were described by local newspaper the San Francisco Chronicle as patronage positions. When the appointments became a political issue in Harris's 2003 race for District Attorney, she responded: “Whether you agree or disagree with the system, I did the work".[58] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Brown_(politician)
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Response to 58Sunliner (Reply #130)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 06:48 PM

139. Whoa - back up. This is complete hyperbole with no basis in fact. Promising to tell details about

 

people's sex lives? Are you freaking kidding me?

That's a right wing talking point if I've ever seen one. Wow.

Then you quote something completely unrelated to your accusation about revealing details about people's sex lives to make it seem like it is based in fact when it is clearly made up.

I'm done with this exchange with you if you're going to take that approach.
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Response to Politicub (Reply #139)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 07:29 PM

143. Sorry-true, not a right wing talking point. She did indeed mention it at a campaign event.

 

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/01/24/kamala-harris-2020-history-224126

Harris’ consultant, Jim Stearns-
And so, when an audience member inside the church asked how, if elected district attorney, she could operate independently from Brown’s political machine, Harris was ready with not just an answer, but a counterpunch. “Make them understand that if they’re going to try to hurt you, they’re going to get more hurt,” Stearns said he counseled her.

“That was her cue,” Stearns said. Harris dismissed the question for its negativity while highlighting the most salacious elements of her opponents’ records, displaying a mix of flint and charisma that would one day lead her supporters to believe she could become president of the United States.
As Stearns tells it, Harris rose from her seat at the front of the sanctuary and stepped behind Terence Hallinan, the incumbent who billed himself as “America’s most progressive district attorney.” She told the audience, “You know Terence Hallinan has attacked Bill Fazio for being caught in a massage parlor,” a reference to a 1998 raid. Fazio, a former prosecutor who had run two close races against Hallinan and was now taking a third shot at the office, maintained he was there to conduct interviews for a legal case he was working on. He was never charged with any crime.

Then, Harris walked behind Fazio, Stearns said, and recounted the times her opponent had criticized Hallinan “for people having sex in his office,” referring to an incident in which two of Hallinan’s prosecutors were found in flagrante delicto inside the building.

“And then she walked back to the middle and said, ‘I want to make a commitment to you that my campaign is not going to be about negative attacks,’” said Stearns, who is still a Democratic strategist in the city. “’I believe we need to talk about the issues and the policies and the way we’re going to move our criminal justice system forward.”

I'd have to say it's rather implicit that you will use the negative if you need to as a defense against her relationship with Willie Brown who was supporting her campaign and whose donors were funding it.

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Response to 58Sunliner (Reply #143)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 07:49 PM

144. Your are conflating disparate things. There's no way I can debate you when you do that.

 

It's like saying X must be true because Y happened, evening though Y has nothing to do with X.
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Response to 58Sunliner (Reply #143)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 01:29 AM

147. I'm starting to see a pattern here.

 

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 06:00 PM

132. Harris (and her supporters) really don't like anyone digging into her past

 

And Franky, I'm surprised that, after all the years on DU of people complaining and posting book excerpts and old links on candidate's pasts they don't find sufficiently "progressive" enough, Kamala escapes that scrutiny. Wonder why that is?

Her past record is a smorgasborg of everything the Dean/Kucinich/Sanders people used to scream about.
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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #132)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 01:35 AM

149. She's golden in CA.

 

I remember a few rumors from friends in SF back in the day but pretty much the only time we see her is when she's running for another office.

ETA -- and if she loses her aura of unassailable virtue, she's going to have a tough time beating back a primary challenge.
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