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Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:29 PM

 

Gillibrand eloquently, thoughtfully and perfectly answers a question about white privilege



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Reply Gillibrand eloquently, thoughtfully and perfectly answers a question about white privilege (Original post)
StarfishSaver Jul 11 OP
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EffieBlack Jul 11 #2
beachbum bob Jul 11 #3
StarfishSaver Jul 11 #4
Trumpocalypse Jul 11 #6
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sdfernando Jul 12 #51
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Lady_Chat Jul 12 #39
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chowder66 Jul 11 #31
StarfishSaver Jul 11 #34
delisen Jul 11 #33
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ucrdem Jul 12 #41
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WhiskeyGrinder Jul 12 #47
StarfishSaver Jul 12 #48
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IrishEyes Jul 12 #49
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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:32 PM

1. Wow, that was an excellent answer!

 

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:34 PM

2. Nice!

 

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:40 PM

3. Too bad she can't apologize for her wrongful action against Al Franken

 

You can't be a leader if you can't see and recognize when you are wrong.
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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:46 PM

4. I think she was wrong about Franken, but that has nothing to do with

 

what she said today. I give her credit for saying it, regardless what happened with Franken.
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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:31 PM

6. Unfortunately

 

some will never get over what happened to a rich white male TV star.
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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:36 PM

8. I think she was wrong and haven't forgotten it

 

But I also give credit where credit is due.
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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:51 PM

10. It wasn't just her

 

It was over 35 other Senators including Sanders, Harris, Warren and Booker.

But it is a shame that a rich white male TV star lost his job despite accomplishing nothing substantial during his 10 years in the Senate.
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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:55 PM

11. This isn't a Gillibrand should or shouldn't have done whatever to Franken thread.

 

She did something well today and I wanted to commend her. Please feel free to start a separate thread if you want to rehash that fight.
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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #11)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:19 PM

16. Once again

 

It was not just Gillibrand. It was over was over 35 other Senators including Harris, Sanders, Warren and Booker. By continuing to frame this as it as something only Gillibrand did you are just perpetuating the lie.
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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #16)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:23 PM

17. Let it go.

 

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #17)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:30 PM

19. I don't let go of

 

truth or fairness.
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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #10)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 01:34 PM

51. Apparently you have issues with Al Franken...fine, you're entitled to your opinion. But..

 

a cursory search will reveal that Al Franked did accomplish much while in the Senate.

Health care: Frankenís provision in the 2010 health care overhaul requires insurance companies to spend at least 80 percent of premiums on health care, not administrative costs, marketing, CEO salaries, or profits. If insurers donít meet the requirement, they must rebate the difference.

Wall Street: In the wake of the 2008 financial meltdown, Frankenís provision to reform Wall Street credit rating agencies became law. It is designed to help prevent future meltdowns by ending a dangerous conflict of interest that let the credit rating agencies give Triple-A ratings to investments they knew were ďjunk.Ē

Mental health in schools: Franken helped successfully push for millions of dollars for schools in Minnesota and across the country.

No Child Left Behind: Franken won passage of bipartisan provisions to support foster students, mental health in schools, principal training and recruitment, computer adaptive testing, after-school programs and school counselors and funding to help low-income students afford AP tests.

Bug-O-Nay-Ge-Shig school: Franken fought for years to secure the funding to rebuild the school in northern Minnesota.

Net neutrality: Franken led the movement to establish strong rules that protect net neutrality and has been a leader in the effort to beat back the repeal of those rules.

Hate Al Franken all you want, but you cannot take away the good work he did for common people while in the Senate.
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Response to sdfernando (Reply #51)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 01:40 PM

52. No I have issues with the deification of Franken.

 

This is the problem with cultists. If you don't share their adoration of the dear leader, then you must hate him.
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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #52)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 01:51 PM

55. So because you think Franken is being deified

 

you are unable to acknowledge that he has done some good things in the Senate?

I don't much care for Gillibrand but I recognize that she has done good things while in the senate.
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Response to sdfernando (Reply #55)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 02:14 PM

56. Never said he didn't do good things

 

So donít put words in my mouth. I said nothing substantial. And I would say the same of most Senators with the exception of Warren.

And Franken has been deified, please donít deny it.
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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #56)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 02:32 PM

58. Your post

 

"But it is a shame that a rich white male TV star lost his job despite accomplishing nothing substantial during his 10 years in the Senate."

Deified or not, he wasn't given due process and that is not right....Everyone (yeah, even the orange one) deserves due process and a fair shake at defending themselves.
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Response to sdfernando (Reply #58)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 02:35 PM

60. None of this has anything to do with my OP

 

Could y'all take this fight somewhere else, please?
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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #60)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 05:22 PM

65. That's because you broke the rules

 

of the Franken cultists: #1: You may never post anything complimentary of Gillibrand. You may only speak of her with total disdain.
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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #65)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 05:57 PM

67. This is one of those cases of "both sides are doing it"

 

And referring to Franken supporters as "cultists" in what was supposed to be a positive thread only exacerbates the problem.
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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #67)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 06:18 PM

68. But they are

 

cultists. Might as well be honest about it.
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Response to sdfernando (Reply #58)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 02:52 PM

63. Yes I wrote nothing substantial

 

which is different from nothing good. I stand by the statement and would say the same as most others Senators.

And due process is a standard for criminal and civil trials, not for an ethics committee hearing which doesnít determine guilt or innocence, only if Congressional ethics rules were violated.
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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 05:47 PM

66. Many people can't hold those two positions at the same time.

 

Iím with you on it.
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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:58 PM

12. LOL, here we go again. nt

 

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Response to USALiberal (Reply #12)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:15 PM

14. Sorry

 

You find reality funny.
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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #14)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:37 PM

20. Mr. Fassler, is that you??? nt

 

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Response to USALiberal (Reply #20)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:44 PM

21. Why do you

 

have such an issue with the truth?
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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #21)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:50 PM

22. Let's see how the "Truth" works out for her. nt

 

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Response to USALiberal (Reply #22)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 03:11 AM

36. Not the point

 

The truth is the point.
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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:29 PM

5. Along with Harris, Sanders, Booker, Warren

 

And over 30 other Senators.
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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:47 PM

9. that has nothing to do with this thread

 

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:03 PM

23. It's unfortunate that the only argument you have against her is Al Franken

 

Which has become a DU dog whistle whether people want to admit that or not.
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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:01 AM

45. Too bad a puerile desire for perfection denies far too many rationality.

 

You can't be a rational thinker if you can't see and recognize the good as well as the bad.
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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 01:43 PM

53. Gillibrand was one of 38. The more interesting question is why one woman is singled

 

out for a white man's behavior.
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Response to silentEcho (Reply #53)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 02:34 PM

59. What does ANY of this have to do with my OP?

 

If y'all would take this fight somewhere else, that would be great.
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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #59)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 02:51 PM

62. Ironically, I think it is a pretty good example of that male privilege,

 

even while white. Vilify one woman because of a man's behavior.

Gillibrand has focused on this issue her whole career. She gets it.
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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:31 PM

7. That was a very impressive answer

 

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:08 PM

13. Well said, Senator!

 

K&R
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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:16 PM

15. Beautiful response by Gillibrand. Very impressive.

 

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:28 PM

18. One answer does not a candidate make.

 

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #18)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:13 PM

24. she is a senator

 

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Response to JI7 (Reply #24)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:21 PM

25. Unfortunately for NYS.

 

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #25)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:22 PM

26. They voted for her including re- electing her

 

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Response to JI7 (Reply #26)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:31 PM

27. Many voters have no idea what their elected politicians do.

 

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #27)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:32 PM

28. so you think most of new York has no idea about her ?

 

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Response to JI7 (Reply #28)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:33 PM

29. Al Franken. No.

 

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #29)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:34 PM

30. you think new Yorkers don't know who Al Franken is ?

 

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Response to JI7 (Reply #26)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 05:44 AM

39. +100

 

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #25)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:04 PM

32. not unfortunate for NY, she has the lowest Trump score in the entire Senate and also was the only

 

Senator to vote against every one of Rump's cabinet nominees.


https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/

Lowest Dems



Highest Dems




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Response to Celerity (Reply #32)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 05:43 AM

38. +100

 

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:03 PM

31. Nicely said and in a way that is educational w/out coming off as condescending. nt

 

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Response to chowder66 (Reply #31)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:45 PM

34. Exactly!

 

She explained it perfectly, acknowledging and empathizing with this woman's difficulties while recognizing and actually educating her about the unique challenges black Americans face - and helping get see it's not a zero sum game.

She did what I heard Mayor Pete saying needs to be done - white people talking to each other about race.
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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:18 PM

33. Warren, Booker, Harris & Sanders also called for Franken's resignation.

 

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as did the Senate Minority Leader, Schumer and half of the Democrats in the Senate.

I think the distinction that Gillibrand must be punished because she was either first or some sort of "ringleader" is without merit and places the others into a category of easily-led followers-which is not what I want in a president and which I do not think they are.

Each candidate should be accountable for their actions regarding Franken.

I myself was opposed to his resigning without going through whatever process existed in the senate.



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Response to delisen (Reply #33)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 03:37 AM

37. +100

 

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Response to delisen (Reply #33)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 07:35 AM

41. Joe is the last man standing on that one.

 

I looked the other way when Harris got on board that train but now it appears to be the rule not an exception.
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Response to ucrdem (Reply #41)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:49 PM

50. Biden was not a sitting senator at the time.

 

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Response to delisen (Reply #33)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:34 AM

43. Well said nt

 

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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:59 AM

35. That was a really good answer to a tough question.

 

I have heard Gillibrand speak on other issues, and I like what she says.

However, I canít let go of the fact she was the first to call on Al Franken to resign from the Senate prior to the investigation he had requested. It shows she has really poor judgement in some situations.

Franken may be a wealthy white male, but heís a strong supporter of truth and justice, and Iím sorry heís gone. Heís smart and asked provocative questions during the Jeff Session hearings. He knows how to provoke Trump and other slimy Republicans.

If Franken was a black man, I would have been equally appalled at the way he was treated by his fellow Senators.
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Response to Bluepinky (Reply #35)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 05:45 AM

40. Perhaps the voters of Minnesota will encourage him to run again.

 

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Response to Lady_Chat (Reply #40)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:00 AM

44. Which Democratic office-holder would you like him to run against?

 

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #44)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:02 AM

46. It's fun to pretend only obstacles exist when they don't.

 

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Response to Bluepinky (Reply #35)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:32 AM

42. First by less than 5 minutes

 

https://qz.com/1148972/al-franken-all-of-the-senators-calling-for-his-resignation/

And exactly how did Franken provoke Trump?
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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:13 AM

47. There is a lot I don't like about her, but this is one of the best summations of white privilege

 

I've ever seen.
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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #47)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:14 AM

48. +1

 

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #47)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 02:17 PM

57. Unfortunately

 

the Franken cultists will never let it go.
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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:05 PM

49. Thank you for sharing this. It was a great answer.

 

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Response to IrishEyes (Reply #49)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 01:50 PM

54. Glad to

 

I just wish this thread hadn't turned onto a war between the Gillibrand and Franken forces.

It's sad that we can't just say something nice about a candidate without it becoming a forum for a brawl.
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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #54)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 02:51 PM

61. Yeah, I agree.

 

I'm going to keep being positive though.
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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 03:02 PM

64. That was a thoughtful explanation

 

I think she deserves a lot more respect than sheís getting. Iím taking another look...
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