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Undecided 36%
Elizabeth Warren17%
Joe Biden14%
Kamala Harris10%
Bernie Sanders8%

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 03:46 PM

 

Buttiegieg surges into the lead latest Iowa Poll

primary Iowa
Jun 29-Jul 4, 2019
C+ Change Research


Buttigieg.. 25%
Warren.... 18%
Sanders... 16%
Biden...... 16%
Harris..... 16%
O'Rourke.. 2%

Buttigieg takes +7 lead

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/

My Disclaimer: This is an early poll. No single poll result should be over emphasized, especially this early.

Simply a stunning performance by Pete Buttigieg.
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bluewater Jul 11 OP
madaboutharry Jul 11 #1
mobeau69 Jul 11 #2
thesquanderer Jul 11 #3
bluewater Jul 11 #4
Celerity Jul 11 #41
emulatorloo Jul 11 #28
thesquanderer Jul 11 #37
Celerity Jul 11 #42
emulatorloo Jul 11 #43
Tarheel_Dem Jul 11 #5
mobeau69 Jul 11 #7
Tarheel_Dem Jul 11 #10
mobeau69 Jul 11 #12
Tarheel_Dem Jul 11 #13
mobeau69 Jul 11 #18
bluewater Jul 11 #14
mobeau69 Jul 11 #15
BootinUp Jul 11 #19
Harker Jul 11 #32
Tarheel_Dem Jul 11 #48
thesquanderer Jul 11 #38
Tarheel_Dem Jul 11 #45
mr_lebowski Jul 11 #51
radical noodle Jul 12 #52
Tarheel_Dem Jul 12 #54
thesquanderer Jul 12 #55
bluewater Jul 11 #8
Tarheel_Dem Jul 11 #9
Loki Liesmith Jul 11 #23
thesquanderer Jul 11 #16
Tarheel_Dem Jul 11 #17
thesquanderer Jul 11 #39
Celerity Jul 11 #40
Tarheel_Dem Jul 11 #46
Celerity Jul 11 #47
bluewater Jul 11 #21
Kurt V. Jul 11 #26
Aaron Pereira Jul 11 #6
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SouthernProgressive Jul 11 #20
MissKat Jul 11 #22
Indygram Jul 11 #24
MBS Jul 11 #25
redstateblues Jul 11 #27
Cosmocat Jul 11 #34
Tarheel_Dem Jul 11 #49
democrank Jul 11 #29
George II Jul 11 #30
BigOleDummy Jul 11 #31
slumcamper Jul 11 #33
Honeycombe8 Jul 11 #35
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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 03:51 PM

1. He said that he would like to see a 'slow burn"

 

to the top.

Maybe people are beginning to pay attention. The next debate will be his opportunity to break out of the single digits nationally.

Mayor Buttigieg has so much to offer this country.
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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 03:53 PM

2. C+ and Early But two things:

 

1. It's better than a sharp stick in the eye.

2. The trend is your friend.

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primary today, I would vote for:
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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 03:58 PM

3. Impressive... and Biden/Sanders/Harris all dangerously close to missing the 15% threshold.

 

Of course a lot can change... but a month ago, who would have thought that Biden would ever poll that close to the danger zone?
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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:03 PM

4. The primary race is wide open.

 

Buttigieg out fund raised Biden and everyone else this past quarter.

I expect to see Pete poll stronger nationally also. His is one of the campaigns to watch!
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Response to bluewater (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:23 PM

41. To be fair, Biden had fewer days as he entered late, he was tracking to around 29 or 30 million usd

 

if he had the same amount of days.
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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:33 PM

28. It's a Iowa poll not a national one. So won't affect who gets in the debates.

 

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primary today, I would vote for:
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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #28)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:49 PM

37. 15% isn't about who gets into the debates, it's about who gets any Iowa delegates (nt)

 

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #28)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:26 PM

42. the DNC does use single state polls, this just is not one of them

 

Pete has already qualified for the next round anyway.

https://www.vox.com/2019/2/14/18225341/dnc-tom-perez-debates-2020-president

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Response to Celerity (Reply #42)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:48 PM

43. Thanks!

 

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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:12 PM

5. Another "online poll", with a C+ rating? Are you serious?

 



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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:21 PM

7. Regardless, why couldn't Joe have performed better in this poll?

 

Where's the data that shows this poll is biased against Biden?

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Response to mobeau69 (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:25 PM

10. All the evidence I need is that it's a self selected "online poll" that can be manipulated by any...

 

campaign if that campaign's supporters are alerted, just like DU.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:28 PM

12. And you have evidence that this occurred?

 

Another possibility you might consider is that Biden's approval is actually dropping.
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Response to mobeau69 (Reply #12)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:30 PM

13. I have no doubt that Biden's numbers have dropped, but not enough to be eclipsed by Buttigieg.

 

Not anywhere. Not even in Indiana.
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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #13)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:43 PM

18. Again, where's the evidence?

 

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Response to mobeau69 (Reply #12)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:33 PM

14. The "unskewing of the polls" has commenced!

 

The polls are what the polls are.

People trying to minimize a poll that reflects badly on their candidate is understandable, but ultimately pointless.

More polls will be coming, I am sure obvious trends in the standings will become very clear.

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Response to bluewater (Reply #14)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:34 PM

15. I've notice one unmistakable trend already.

 

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:50 PM

19. That baboon is having a blast, lol. Nt

 

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Response to BootinUp (Reply #19)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:24 PM

32. She's writing "Hamlet." n/t

 

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Response to BootinUp (Reply #19)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:25 PM

48. He's working overtime these days. Somebody's campaign should buy him one of these......

 






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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:54 PM

38. It's no more "self selected" than any other poll.

 

Just as with a phone poll, you can choose to participate when asked, or not. You can't participate more than once, and you cannot volunteer to participate, you must be canvassed.
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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #38)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:20 PM

45. Believe what you will, but there is nothing at all "random" about an online poll. Unlike an online

 

poll, my fellow Biden supporters can't call me up & tell me to go to xyz to participate in a "phone poll". Like I said, it operates on the same principle as "Please DU this poll".
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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #45)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:15 PM

51. Yup and on top of that some are such a joke anyone can vote as many times as they like

 

Hence the baboon in the gif ...
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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #45)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 01:38 AM

52. Not all online polls are like that

 

There are polling organizations who send out emails to their subjects. A click on the email allows one to vote on whatever issue it is, but it is impossible to click to take it again because it's designed not to allow that.

I know the kind of poll you're referring to, but those are more like click bait than a poll. One can click until their fingers fall off.
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Response to radical noodle (Reply #52)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 02:16 AM

54. If that's the case, I'd expect them to be rated much higher. n/t

 

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #45)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 06:24 AM

55. Believe what you will, but you don't know what "online poll" means.

 

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Of course some are awful, but online doesn't mean they MUST be awful.

A proper online poll is just like a phone poll. Your fellow Biden supporters can't necessarily call you up and tell you to go to xyz.com to participate in an "online poll" either. The ones where they can are NOT polls that get C+ rated by 538.

Look at the ratings at https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

You'll find SOME online polls that even get A and B ratings (and some non-online polls that get D or F). As in the Princess Bride, that word does not mean what you think it means.
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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:21 PM

8. Take it up with 538, its on their site.

 

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Response to bluewater (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:23 PM

9. Well that settles it.

 




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Response to bluewater (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:11 PM

23. That's a dodge

 

Throw it on the average.
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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:39 PM

16. "C+" and "online" don't mean people can vote as often as they like.

 

There are "polls" like that (to use the word loosely), but 538 would not give those a C+! But the C+ rating does indicate that it is not among the most reliable, either. Ratings, what they're based on, and definitions of those things are at https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/
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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #16)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:42 PM

17. Ever hear the expression "Please DU this poll"?

 



Case closed.
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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #17)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:56 PM

39. No, I've never heard that phrase. But why not look at the methodology before critiquing? nt

 

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #17)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:18 PM

40. it is not a free-for-all 'anyone can vote' poll

 

It is a controlled group, NOT a random poll where anyone could just click on something as many times as they want. I see so many people react in such a way that as soon as 'online' is mentioned they have visions of all the dodgy 'have-a-go', 'vote as often as you can clear your cache' (if even that is needed, lol) push-pull 'polls' like Drudge and other sites (of all sorts of ideological bents) do.

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Multiple well rated, reputable polls are either all, or partially online. 538 needs to look at more Change Research Polls, they only looked at 7, and they (538) are way off on their (CR's) race prediction level and other things.











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We have some great stories to tell:
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Response to Celerity (Reply #40)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:22 PM

46. !!!

 



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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #46)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:25 PM

47. lol

 



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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #16)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:52 PM

21. 538's ratings are based on polls making correct predictions.

 

C+ is an "average" ish rating at predicting actual results. Other polls do better, others worse.

Please note that the OP gave 538's rating, C+, for the poll it presented.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:30 PM

26. ALL polls are pretty meaningless right now. c+ or otherwise

 

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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:19 PM

6. Nice result for Warren too!

 

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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:51 PM

20. Iowa can't break someone....

 

Unless they make a mistake campaigning there.

They can help to make someone.
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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:52 PM

22. I think the world of Mayor Pete

 

And I think he could seriously take on Trump...

As could Warren, Harris, Castro, etc. We have some very heavy hitters and we need to be proud of each and every one of them.

this next debate is going to shake the tree. We'll see who is left. I think Pete B. will be among the top 6.
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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:15 PM

24. This poll doesn't count towards making the debates

 

Because it's not viewed as truly reliable, just fyi.
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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:27 PM

25. this squares with some recent "on-the-ground" radio reporting in Iowa

 

specifically, Morning Edition (?), on NPR, a few days ago, when a reporter mentioned that of all the candidates in Iowa, only THREE candidates left Iowans more excited about the candidates after they met them or heard them at an event than they were before they went: Booker, Buttigieg, and Warren ("especially Elizabeth Warren," the reporter said).

I did a lot of long-distance telephone campaigning with Iowa and New Hampshire voters in late fall 2003 and early winter 2004, and found myself in awe of Iowa voters (at least the Democrats!). They took their responsibility very seriously. I found them way more engaged than New Hampshire voters. "If all voters were as knowledgeable, responsible, and engaged as these Iowa voters," I thought to myself, "we wouldn't be having the problems we're having right now." (Little did I know at that point how much worse things would get later. ).

In an earlier report ( maybe at least a week earlier?)another Iowa-based reporter mentioned his anecdotal impression that Iowa voters were not that excited about Biden, and he expressed surprise that his numbers were still as high as they were in national polls.

Thus, I think that some of the discrepancy between these anecdotal reports + this single poll and other polls (aside from the inherent limitations of all polls and anecdotal reports) is that Iowa voters are paying more attention right now than most of the rest of the country.

Most importantly, it's still early days, and who knows what will happen next?
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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:31 PM

27. Two words that Mayor Pete needs to be concerned about.

 

South Carolina
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Response to redstateblues (Reply #27)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:39 PM

34. Definitely a problem state for him, but

 

You can take a mulligan there if you perform well in Iowa/NH.

Also for his part, expectations are low enough that if he performs fairly well in Iowa/NH, he could finish well out of the top tier and get a moral W if he manages to outperform just a bit - 9% vs 5%, something along those lines.
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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #34)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:28 PM

49. But you can't "mulligan" the entire South. n/t

 

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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:09 PM

29. Pete Buttigieg is doing an amazing job.

 

I’m so glad he has come this far....this fast. People are beginning to notice what an exceptional candidate he is.
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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:12 PM

30. Another questionable Change Research 1st time Iowa poll. 538 says they're a "right leaning" pollster

 

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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:12 PM

31. Man, impressive no matter how you look at it

 

I've said all along that a Warren/Buttigieg ticket would be unstoppable and every day brings me more hope that this could actually be the case.

I like Mr. Biden well enough as anyone who has seen any of my posts knows but some of his supporters sure seem to have thin skins. I think they are starting to really worry.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Elizabeth Warren

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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:38 PM

33. Ohhhh, FOR PETE'S SAKE!

 

Pun intended!

All the haggling, the pissing and moaning, the trading of insults and accusations, belittling, demeaning... I, for one, have had my fill of it with 45!

It pains me to witness the spectacle of this "circular firing squad" every time I check DU. A fair and robust discourse, or a lively banter is one thing, but much of what I'm reading is far below that level.

Please, we must not let our passions eclipse our reason, sense of decency, and common cause. It is up to Democrats to save this country--for ourselves and our young ones.

The Balkanization of our party is precisely what Russia, the NRC, and the NRA smiles upon; and how appropriate that the GOP color is "red!"
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Kamala Harris

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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:42 PM

35. Very impressive. Look at Mayor Pete go. He appeals to a lot of people. nt

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:44 PM

36. Edging forward!

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Pete Buttigieg

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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:06 PM

44. Anti-Biden forces are grasping at straws hahaha n/t

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Response to Vegas Roller (Reply #44)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 01:41 AM

53. Mayor Pete is my choice

 

but I'm not anti-Biden at all. I'm happy to see these poll numbers, but not because Biden is down.
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Pete Buttigieg

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Response to radical noodle (Reply #53)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 07:38 AM

56. I was responding to the OP. n/t

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Response to bluewater (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:01 PM

50. Go Pete!! Go Dems!!

 

Kicked and recommended.



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