Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumWhat is Kamala Harris' plan on health care?
For those considering switching candidates to Kamala Harris, it would be helpful to know if she backs Medicare for All, a public option, or other.
Let's answer that question.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Dough
(17,302 posts)Kamala Harris
Before the debate: Harris is a co-sponsor of Sanders Medicare-for-all plan, and said during a CNN town hall earlier this year that she would like to eliminate private insurance. However, she has also co-sponsored other more moderate proposals, including ones that would create a public option for people to buy into Medicaid and that would lower Medicares eligibility threshold to 50 years old.
After the debate: On Thursday night, the second debate seemed like a big moment for Harris on health care. She was the only candidate other than Sanders to raise her hand when the moderators asked whether she would eliminate private insurance. Though this is what the Medicare-for-all bill she supports says it would do, other backers of that billSenators Kirsten Gillibrand and Cory Bookerdid not raise their hands.
However, by Friday morning, Harris walked back her hand raise and said she had misinterpreted the question. She told CBS This Morning that she had understood the question to mean Would you be willing to give up your private insurance? and so answered it personally, meaning she would be willing to join Medicare-for-all herself.
I am supportive of Medicare-for-all. And under Medicare-for-all policy, private insurance certainly exist for supplemental coverage, Harris told CBS This Morning. This middle ground is similar to the positions that Booker and Gillibrand have staked out.
https://time.com/5616864/2020-democratic-candidates-health-care/
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
fleur-de-lisa
(14,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
comradebillyboy
(10,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)I think the PO -- with subsidies for all uninsured, uninsured, and those who cannot afford health coverage -- is going to be more popular in 2020.
So, Biden has the edge there.
FWIW: I'm still a disappointed in the revelations on his working against desegregation -- and equal educational opportunities -- with segregationists (which is what he did, even if he wants to call it being against "forced busing" , but believe he has edge in healthcare debate. Medicare-for-All may be the best plan, but too many people are against it because they don't understand.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,555 posts)And being against busing does not mean you support segregation...so just stop.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)and quality was equal. Opposition to busing, let white local governments off the hook.
This is what Jesse Jackson said yesterday:
". . . . . .Jackson was less forgiving of former Vice President Joe Biden, who joined Jackson at a convention event on Friday. Speaking about Bidens record on busing which has become a flashpoint after Sen. Kamala Harris of California confronted him at the debate Jackson said that Harris established Biden on the states rights side of history, which cannot stand the test of time. He framed Bidens opposition to federally mandated busing as part of a larger debate over the federal governments trying to create racial equality.
"Hes for voluntary busing, Im for court-ordered busing well, everyones for voluntary busing, Jackson said. [T]he federal government had to order the abolition of slavery, the federal government had to order the right to vote, they had to order the desegregation of schools and jobs and contracts. So voluntary assumes that those who are oppressive have some will to move based on moral values, and that does not happen.
"Jackson added that Biden had done a lot of good things." . . . . . .
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/30/jesse-jackson-2020-democratic-party-1391027
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,555 posts)of it is Biden's fault and those who say he supported it are lying.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)should have been that schools had to desegregate and ensure quality schools within 6 months. But he didnt.
I agree with Jackson.
As to 50 years ago, the most important thing Democrats have done is fight for equality, whether most white wingers wanted it or not.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,555 posts)for playing...Ted Kennedy did too...they all did. And to say if you were against busing,you are racist is beyond the pale.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Well, Other than Dixiecrats?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,555 posts)busing...so was Sanders. Busing was a shitty program that never worked and was done away with...it has nothing to do with racial equality which Biden fought for his entire life...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
fleur-de-lisa
(14,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Mr.Bill
(24,282 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stopbush
(24,396 posts)to Kamalas website, where your question would have been answered in full.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)in any way, unless it makes Medicare healthier or more financially sound. Medicare as it is now works well. It's not perfect, but it's reasonable cost (ins. cos. - ESP. THE ACA- charge seniors astronomical premiums, even if they're healthy), and provides broad coverage, focused on the needs of seniors. For example, SENIORS DON'T HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT PAYING FOR MATERNITY COVERAGE with Medicare! Ins. cos. zero in on care and devices that seniors are most likely to need, rather than all care & devices that may be more often used by another age group.
Maybe that's an answer. Medicare-like programs for different age groups. Young adult, middle-aged, seniors.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Turin_C3PO
(13,964 posts)Medicare could work for all people if its tweaked a little. I have Medicare now due to being on SSDI. Im only 35 with a chronic disease (cystic fibrosis) and it works great.
I think the answer is to have Medicare as a buy-in option and up the reimbursement rates of Medicare to providers. Also, with everyone being covered, were going to need more providers so hopefully we can train more doctors. Also, allow nurse practitioners and physician assistants to take care of some tasks that doctors are doing now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Because seniors are given the shaft by the other age groups. High claimant insureds will crowd the field, and ins. cos. will INCREASE THE PREMIUMS FOR THE SENIORS to make up for that, since for some reason the younger ones never get the shaft.
I experienced this with the ACA, which totally shafted me for 5 years, until thank goodness I could escape and get into Medicare. Paying for maternity care at age 60? Seriously? A $6,000 deductible and you call that insurance? Seriously? An HMO plan that few doctors will take, yet costs $800-$1,000 a month? Really? And no one cared. Not one person in the Democratic Party cared, when it was mentioned by anyone, even me. Younger people don't care about seniors, IMO. So it needs to be kept separate.
The SSI is a different program. I'm not sure how Medicare fits with that. So I'll leave my opinion about that out of the mix. But as far as tens of millions of high-claimant people entering Medicare, that would destroy Medicare for seniors, IMO.
I am in favor of preserving Social Security and Medicare for seniors.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Turin_C3PO
(13,964 posts)doesnt have to be called Medicare, it can be a separate program.
But as to your worries, Medicare is already paying for high claim patients like me on SSDI. Everyone on SSDI gets Medicare and most/many have a ton of medical issues. So Im not sure the premiums would go up if we added the general younger population. In fact, I think Elizabeth Warren said it would be cheaper for everyone. Ill have to check that though.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I will say that I have read more than a couple of times that that is the part of Medicare that presents the financial solvency issues with the program. Not regular Medicare for seniors. When SS and Medicare was set up, it was not designed for SSDI or SSI or whatever that is called, since those claimants/beneficiaries would not have paid into the programs for decades. I'm not saying they shouldn't have those benefits; I'm just saying that it's not true that it's not a problem for those programs.
As for the entire population mixed with seniors for Medicare, I've seen it firsthand. Promises about it not affecting seniors adversely aren't true. We just experienced it. Seniors get slammed. The worst part was that no one cared. It's not like people were working on those problems. As long as this other group or that other group were liking it, that's all that mattered. So a big NO vote from me for any plan that messes with Medicare for seniors. (As it is, taxes will have to go up or something, because of the SSI or SSDI effect, to make Medicare more financially solvent. )
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Turin_C3PO
(13,964 posts)has to be fixed soon. Social Security is due to cut benefits by like 20% by the early 2030s if nothing is done. But thats a different discussion.
Well, in any case, we need some type of plan that stops people from going bankrupt from medical bills. It can be a separate program and Medicare for seniors can be left alone.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)That's why people are destroyed by high medical bills. They can't get out from under them, no matter what. Ironically, if you run up $100,000 in credit loans as an irresponsible person on a spending spree, you CAN extinguish that debt with bankruptcy. Makes no sense.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Turin_C3PO
(13,964 posts)I definitely dont agree with Bidens bankruptcy bill. Its terrible.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
riverine
(516 posts)Medical bankruptcies are the #1 cause of them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I remember when he did it.
He had to put it forward about four times before it passed. He was dead set on getting that passed.
Medical bills could be included in the total of debt for someone, but the med bills themselves, as I recall, could not be discharged (done away with), like some other types of debts. Something like that.
It also had some other hard things anti-consumer in that bill. It was harsh to debtors.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
riverine
(516 posts)in this country.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Warren & Biden have debated the Biden bill before. Biden was unable to get it passed until George W. Bush got into office.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/03/12/biden-vs-warren-2020-democratic-primaries-bankruptcy-bill-225728
Usually, Biden opposed even modest protections for borrowers. For instance, he voted against one amendment that would protect mothers who failed to receive their child support or alimony. He voted against setting a limit of 30 percent on loan interest. He also voted against special protections for bankruptcy among former military, victims of identity theft and those with unmanageable medical debt.
This was particularly significant for credit card companies because credit card debt is whats known as unsecured debt. A home mortgage is backed by a house that the bank can foreclose on and seize. An auto loan is backed by a car. But a credit card is just a credit card. And if you use your credit card to buy food or medical procedures or other services, theres nothing at all to sell off in a liquidation process. So credit card companies in particular wanted to cut down on Chapter 7 filings, and they got what they wanted.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/5/6/18518381/baccpa-bankruptcy-bill-2005-biden-warren
Bill Clinton vetoed it. But the bill was re-introduced a couple of more times, maybe more. Then Biden inserted it into a foreign relations bill (he was head of the Foreign Relations Committee). Amendments were added, making it more acceptable to some other Democrats. It was passed. "What did happen was a substantial decline in the number of people able to file for bankruptcy in response to a medical emergency." https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/5/6/18518381/baccpa-bankruptcy-bill-2005-biden-warren
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,555 posts)so who the hell knows for sure.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)And I guarantee you that a few of the other candidates did, too, when they raised their hands. The question was worded badly.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/full-transcript-2019-democratic-debate-night-two-sortable-topic-n1023601
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,555 posts)I no longer like her and will only support her in a general so it really doesn't matter.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)because they don't matter. Their numbers are too low.
But I heard the question the same way she did.
That could certainly mean "Who here would abolish his own private health insurance in favor of a government-run plan?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,555 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)I think Biden has the best plan. If you remember, ACA was supposed to have public option but it was blocked in the senate. So Biden rightly so proposes to improve ACA by adding that option which is essentially medicare on the exchanges and then see how popular it is before making drastic changes. This makes the most sense to me. Also a lot of people seem to forget that we are merely talking about insurance, hospitals and doctors are all private unlike many other countries. You would still get exact same care with same doctors and hospitals. I personally support universal healthcare through medicare from birth but it is not something that can be done quickly as undoubtedly SC would immediately block any such bill from taking effect (its almost certainly unconstitutional). We are such a big country that scaling up medicare is going to take some time but by doing it gradually, we can avoid unnecessary SC confrontations.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Welcome to DU.
Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Curky
(45 posts)That's why you and I can't tell what her plan is.
She has changed her position (January) and allegedly misheard a question (the other day).
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden