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babylonsister

(171,056 posts)
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 03:03 PM Jun 2019

Frank Rich: Kamala Harris's Debate Performance Should Scare Trump



the national circus 2:03 P.M.
Kamala Harris’s Debate Performance Should Scare Trump
By Frank Rich

Most weeks, New York Magazine writer-at-large Frank Rich speaks with contributor Alex Carp about the biggest stories in politics and culture. Today, the fallout from the first Democratic debates.


Over this week’s two nights of debates, the top 20 candidates in the Democratic primary have had a chance to introduce themselves to a national audience. Will anything they said winnow the field?

I am happy to answer with a resounding “Yes!” I’ll take a minor risk and guess that as of this morning, the field has been winnowed by more than half. We’re down from 20 to either seven (Biden, Sanders, Warren, Harris, Buttigieg, Castro, and Klobuchar) or nine, if you hold out hope that the mellifluous but glib bros Booker and Beto will start putting at least as much effort into bold policy positions as they have into their pandering effusions of gringo Spanish. Most of the rest were dead men and women walking before they arrived onstage, merely marking time until that inevitable moment when their political lifeblood — money — dries up. They will soon be forgotten, even if they’re not yet gone.

Like most everyone else, I did not see the Kamala Harris rocket takeoff coming before last night. Her ascent was easily the most energizing spectacle of the campaign thus far. And her rightly canonized exchange with Joe Biden wasn’t mere political theater — it was substantive. By linking Biden’s praise of James Eastland and Herman Talmadge to his opposition to busing, she revealed that Biden still doesn’t understand that he didn’t only benefit from these bigots’ supposed “civility” on legislative trivia back in the day, but actively enabled at least one plank of their arch-segregationist political strategy. He has chosen not to apologize for that failure. And last night, he paid a huge price by digging himself in further. His invocation in 2019 of states’ rights to argue against busing, a 1970s federal tactic to roll back the de facto school segregation that blighted students like the young Kamala Harris, sounds like something that would pop out of the mouth of Rand Paul, not a Democratic front-runner.


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There was much more to Harris than her Biden face-off. She had sharp, unambiguous answers to every policy question. She was concise. She occasionally smiled and laughed (a card not played by any of the other 19 candidates). And she constantly reminded us that she was a prosecutor not just by saying so, but by showing off her talent. There may be no word that Trump fears more than “prosecutor,” and no professional expertise that the Democratic base is more eager to see inflicted on him. At a juncture when Trump defends himself against a charge of rape by sliming women who are not his “type,” Harris’s emergence could not be better timed. She is not his “type,” heaven knows, and, not unlike her fellow San Franciscan Nancy Pelosi, she is not a “type” he knows how to deal with at any level, whether on Twitter or a debate stage.

I hunger to see Pete Buttigieg on a debate stage with Mike Pence. No Democratic politician has ever been so skilled at tossing the Christian card right back at the likes of right-wing religious hypocrites and homophobes. Buttigieg also implicitly took down Biden when he apologized for his own failure in highly charged racial politics rather than denying his record. Did Biden take it in and learn anything? I doubt it.

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Frank Rich: Kamala Harris's Debate Performance Should Scare Trump (Original Post) babylonsister Jun 2019 OP
I stopped trusting Frank Rich in 2000 Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #1
Yep. I don't know why no one saw that coming as he writes underpants Jun 2019 #2
Warren / Harris Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2019 #3
+1,000! EOM TruckFump Jun 2019 #12
Doesn't matter who the writer is Andy823 Jun 2019 #4
Hmmm...a Harris/Buttigieg ticket? NastyRiffraff Jun 2019 #5
K&R, Harris / Buttigeg would but just as bold as Harris / Warren uponit7771 Jun 2019 #6
I have supported Harris from the start The Liberal Lion Jun 2019 #7
Assuming he will debate the nominee. 33taw Jun 2019 #8
I think I will.... FarPoint Jun 2019 #11
IMO, MF45 will request that any and all debates with the Dem nom are done, TruckFump Jun 2019 #13
Or, with Tucker Carlson moderating. 33taw Jun 2019 #14
LOL, good one! EOM TruckFump Jun 2019 #17
The Yang-Harris Connection Panacea-monger Jun 2019 #9
I have no doubt Harris would embarrass him. BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #10
Indeed! I'd take my chances with pitting the racist Kind of Blue Jun 2019 #15
re: "Biden, Sanders, Warren, Harris, Buttigieg, Castro, and Klobuchar" thesquanderer Jun 2019 #16
There may be no word that Trump fears more than "prosecutor," crazytown Jun 2019 #18
 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
1. I stopped trusting Frank Rich in 2000
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 03:12 PM
Jun 2019

when he spent the year lying about Al Gore.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

underpants

(182,769 posts)
2. Yep. I don't know why no one saw that coming as he writes
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 03:13 PM
Jun 2019

She’s been in my top 3 for a long time.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,327 posts)
3. Warren / Harris
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 03:15 PM
Jun 2019

Or Pres. Warren and A.G. Harris.

My wild-assed, unscientific guess is that there are many millions of voters who, like me, are tired of seeing old white men at the top of the ticket.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Andy823

(11,495 posts)
4. Doesn't matter who the writer is
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 03:18 PM
Jun 2019

He is right, trump should be afraid, and he probably is. Harris did a great job last night of showing the public who she is, what she is about, and the fact she can be the person to take down trump.

Joe is not the "only" one that can win this thing and put trump out of a job, Harris proved that last night.

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NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
5. Hmmm...a Harris/Buttigieg ticket?
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 03:19 PM
Jun 2019

Intriguing. Rich is right about a Harris/Trump AND a Buttigieg matchup. It could be a great ticket.

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uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
6. K&R, Harris / Buttigeg would but just as bold as Harris / Warren
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 03:21 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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The Liberal Lion

(1,414 posts)
7. I have supported Harris from the start
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 03:22 PM
Jun 2019

as I believe that she's the only person who if elected would actually put trump's ass in jail and not play the old "time for healing" card, to avoid responsibility. Don't get me wrong, I would support any of the democratic candidates should they get the nod (except for one) and I really like what Warren has to say, and Joe is just fine in my book, but Harris was and remains my top choice.

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33taw

(2,439 posts)
8. Assuming he will debate the nominee.
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 03:22 PM
Jun 2019

I think he’ll pass.

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FarPoint

(12,336 posts)
11. I think I will....
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 03:35 PM
Jun 2019

Put money on it that you are CORRECT.

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TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
13. IMO, MF45 will request that any and all debates with the Dem nom are done,
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 03:38 PM
Jun 2019

by TWEET!!!!!!!!



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33taw

(2,439 posts)
14. Or, with Tucker Carlson moderating.
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 03:46 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
17. LOL, good one! EOM
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 05:01 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Panacea-monger

(15 posts)
9. The Yang-Harris Connection
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 03:24 PM
Jun 2019

Given that Yang, easily the most knowledgable candidate in terms of economics, got the least amount of airtime despite polling above most other candidates, I wish Harris would at least have had the opportunity to talk more about her expanded earned income tax credit (EITC).

What we call an EITC is actually a "trapezoid program" (effectively a combination EITC, basic income, and flat income tax). Harris' plan, in addition to other improvements, extends the "plateau" (i.e. the basic income part) sufficiently to make the EITC more similar in shape to Yang's Freedom Dividend than to the old EITC. While Harris' EITC is only about a fourth what it needs to be (and what Yang's plan is), it has the advantage of being disguised as an EITC, which makes it less exotic-seeming and thus less subject to naive criticisms such as the moderator's suggestion that the Freedom Dividend recipients would pay it all back in taxes.

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BannonsLiver

(16,369 posts)
10. I have no doubt Harris would embarrass him.
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 03:27 PM
Jun 2019

But Hillary beat him soundly in 3 debates and it didn’t matter much. That’s where I get skeptical. I also think it’s no better than a 50-50 proposition there are any GE debates in 2020.

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Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
15. Indeed! I'd take my chances with pitting the racist
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 03:46 PM
Jun 2019

misogynist with a fierce WoC any day. We're just lucky that Sen. Harris has prosecutorial skills to go with her quick intellect. I haven't heard him say a word about her today.

Tick-tock, asshole.

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thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
16. re: "Biden, Sanders, Warren, Harris, Buttigieg, Castro, and Klobuchar"
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 04:21 PM
Jun 2019

Castro? What qualifies him for that grouping? His polling is abysmal (RCP average .8%, same as Gabbard, and below Yang, Klobuchar, Booker, or Beto. I know he has some fans, but I was not at all impressed with him in the debate, either. It's not just me... he's still at 0% in the DU poll, too.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
18. There may be no word that Trump fears more than "prosecutor,"
Fri Jun 28, 2019, 05:21 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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