Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:28 PM

emmaverybo (8,138 posts)

So why did candidates in tonight's debate not "lay a glove on Biden" as Brian Williams noted, as

had been expected? Not even in a veiled way.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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So why did candidates in tonight's debate not "lay a glove on Biden" as Brian Williams noted, as (Original post)	emmaverybo	Jun 2019	OP
He wasn't on the stage	True Dough	Jun 2019	#1
I think you "lay a glove on Biden" by a strong performance that pushes up your numbers	EveHammond13	Jun 2019	#2
This. All they needed to do was show that they are credible candidates	marylandblue	Jun 2019	#17
agree	EveHammond13	Jun 2019	#20
Good question	customerserviceguy	Jun 2019	#3
Because Biden wasn't there?	BeyondGeography	Jun 2019	#4
Debate time is too short if one intends to outline their own vision	Zambero	Jun 2019	#5
Ah. Nt	emmaverybo	Jun 2019	#6
The media wants mudslinging	blogslut	Jun 2019	#7
Agree. NT	emmaverybo	Jun 2019	#8
They are indeed completely out of touch	BeyondGeography	Jun 2019	#9
Unless it's trump, why attack someone who's not there to defend him/herself?	ecstatic	Jun 2019	#10
There was no question where bringing in Biden would have been fitting.	AJT	Jun 2019	#11
mostly because he wasn't there	JI7	Jun 2019	#12
Irrelavent	tirebiter	Jun 2019	#13
Because Dems are not doing this for Brian's personal entertainment...	Hekate	Jun 2019	#14
They focused on issues that matter.	Voltaire2	Jun 2019	#15
Because Biden is extremely well liked and respected by the party as a whole.	SouthernProgressive	Jun 2019	#16
Currently the campaigns are affirmative	loyalsister	Jun 2019	#18
If you're polling at 1% you need to stomp the other also-rans	Recursion	Jun 2019	#19
To criticize someone not even there is to acknowledge that you are an also-ran next to him.	thesquanderer	Jun 2019	#21

Response to emmaverybo (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:32 PM

True Dough (14,007 posts)

1. He wasn't on the stage

and there will be plenty of time for that down the road.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to emmaverybo (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:33 PM

EveHammond13 (2,855 posts)

2. I think you "lay a glove on Biden" by a strong performance that pushes up your numbers

you don't have to directly invoke him to do that

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to EveHammond13 (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 27, 2019, 09:15 AM

marylandblue (12,344 posts)

17. This. All they needed to do was show that they are credible candidates

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And they all did that. They raised the bar for Biden to move from "electable" to "best."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to marylandblue (Reply #17)

Thu Jun 27, 2019, 12:17 PM

EveHammond13 (2,855 posts)

20. agree

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to emmaverybo (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:33 PM

customerserviceguy (25,182 posts)

3. Good question

Maybe they think they can advance to a debate with him, and do it then. They didn't try to take down Warren, either.

But, if the same thing happens tomorrow, then we probably won't see that kind of behavior until late in the debates.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to emmaverybo (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:35 PM

BeyondGeography (38,156 posts)

4. Because Biden wasn't there?

Also, believe it or not, Biden isn’t a very imposing front runner. Certainly not to the point where you would want to sacrifice your very limited airtime to take on a guy who wasn’t on stage with you.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to emmaverybo (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:43 PM

Zambero (7,444 posts)

5. Debate time is too short if one intends to outline their own vision

Proclaiming not being Joe Biden isn't going to persuade very many primary voters. Trump is the common target, and even he was not mentioned as much as would be expected.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Zambero (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:44 PM

emmaverybo (8,138 posts)

6. Ah. Nt

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to emmaverybo (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:45 PM

blogslut (36,504 posts)

7. The media wants mudslinging

Normally I'm cool with Brian but tonight, he and that whole panel + Tweety, are pissing me off. I think they're completely out of touch.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to blogslut (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:57 PM

emmaverybo (8,138 posts)

8. Agree. NT

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to blogslut (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:58 PM

BeyondGeography (38,156 posts)

9. They are indeed completely out of touch

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to emmaverybo (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 11:59 PM

ecstatic (30,165 posts)

10. Unless it's trump, why attack someone who's not there to defend him/herself?

I think that's the reason. Also, the questions weren't about Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to emmaverybo (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2019, 12:12 AM

AJT (5,240 posts)

11. There was no question where bringing in Biden would have been fitting.

As the herd gets culled thete will be more time spent on their competitors.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to emmaverybo (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2019, 12:15 AM

JI7 (86,939 posts)

12. mostly because he wasn't there

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to emmaverybo (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2019, 02:25 AM

tirebiter (2,276 posts)

13. Irrelavent

Trump was the target.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to emmaverybo (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2019, 03:07 AM

Hekate (78,057 posts)

14. Because Dems are not doing this for Brian's personal entertainment...

I think the aforementioned gentleman from MSNBC Brian Williams is sententious and too in love with the sound of his own voice at the best of times -- but that comment was truly disgusting.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to emmaverybo (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2019, 04:45 AM

Voltaire2 (10,530 posts)

15. They focused on issues that matter.

So sorry it wasn’t nt all about The Great Gaffesby.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to emmaverybo (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2019, 08:53 AM

SouthernProgressive (1,810 posts)

16. Because Biden is extremely well liked and respected by the party as a whole.

Attacks on him seem to have a negative impact on the attacker, not Biden. Warren seems to know how to do it when she wants. She critiques him on policy in a respectful yet forceful manner.

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Response to emmaverybo (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2019, 09:44 AM

loyalsister (13,390 posts)

18. Currently the campaigns are affirmative

I'm sure the commentators would have more fun with an ugly competition, but the candidates were more focused on making their opening arguments. There is no reason to bring him into the room.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to emmaverybo (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2019, 11:30 AM

Recursion (56,426 posts)

19. If you're polling at 1% you need to stomp the other also-rans

And if you're polling in the teens you don't want to burn your bridges.

Once the back end of the pack consolidates you'll see more of them taking potshots at Biden. Yang already picked a pretty effective fight with him last week.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to emmaverybo (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2019, 12:45 PM

thesquanderer (11,331 posts)

21. To criticize someone not even there is to acknowledge that you are an also-ran next to him.

At this point, it is more in a candidate's interest to come across as "we're all in this thing" than "I'm at the back of the pack."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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