Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumHoward Dean says Democrats will lose if they have 'two old white guys' on 2020 presidential ticket
Source: Washington Post
By Felicia Sonmez June 26 at 11:58 AM
Former Vermont governor Howard Dean said Wednesday that Democrats wont win the White House if they nominate two older white men to be president and vice president in 2020, echoing calls by other prominent liberals for the party to embrace diversity on its presidential ticket.
Dean, who ran unsuccessfully for president in 2004 and was later Democratic National Committee chairman, made the remarks at a Washington Post Live event.
If we have two old white guys at the top of this ticket, we will lose, Dean said.
Donna Brazile, the former interim Democratic National Committee chair who recently became a Fox News Channel contributor, agreed with Dean at the event.
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Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/howard-dean-says-democrats-will-lose-if-they-have-two-old-white-guys-on-presidential-ticket/2019/06/26/dfd7c8ba-9823-11e9-916d-9c61607d8190_story.html
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Response to Eugene (Original post)
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pangaia
(24,324 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DrToast
(6,414 posts)If you rule out someone simply because of the color of their skin or age, what else would you call them?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pangaia
(24,324 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DrToast
(6,414 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
we can do it
(12,118 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DrToast
(6,414 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pangaia
(24,324 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
we can do it
(12,118 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
we can do it
(12,118 posts)Enough already.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LarryNM
(493 posts)to the top two positions. Its hardly racist or sexist to suggest we consider candidates
who are neither white nor male. Or maybe the spirit of Affirmative Action only applies
to working stiffs.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
we can do it
(12,118 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DrToast
(6,414 posts)Its hardly racist or sexist to suggest we consider candidates who are neither white nor male.
Don't try and spin his comments.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LarryNM
(493 posts)doctor, you're toast, adios.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DrToast
(6,414 posts)Good luck with that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brooklynite
(93,871 posts)He's not saying that's HIS personal preference; he's saying that's what the electorate will do.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
barbtries
(28,702 posts)nt
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sandensea
(21,529 posts)Especially if rumors about Cheeto's dumping Dense Pense and putting Nikki Haley on the ticket instead prove to be the case.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DrToast
(6,414 posts)...or gender.
But I guess it's possible.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,606 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pangaia
(24,324 posts)BUT, lets say ALL the candidates are otherwise equal, and an old white male wins the nomination.
WHO gets second and why.. if they are all 'equal.' ?
Suppose you have another old white male who lives in, oh I don;t know, let's say DC, or NYC, or....
And you have a youngish black, gay, woman with dreadlocks who lives in Pennsylvania, or Michigan, or Florida, or. Texas or....
Whom do you pick?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Mouth
(3,123 posts)based entirely or mostly on their race, age, or gender
they are a piece of shit as a human.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sandensea
(21,529 posts)It is what it is.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Mouth
(3,123 posts)And anyone, who for any reason, would let race, age, or gender be the deciding factor.
They are no better than anyone wearing a MAGA hat or going to a cross burning.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sandensea
(21,529 posts)You see it in every white-majority country with an eroding white majority: half the white voters become radicalized.
"I wunna take my country back! And I don't care what else happens!"
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sandensea
(21,529 posts)Consider what might be a typical woman swing voter.
She usually votes Republican because her parents were "meat and potatoes" Republicans - but she detests the Orange Oaf.
She's seriously considering voting Democratic this time - and then the Dem. nominee picks a fellow older white male as his running mate.
That could lose us her vote right there.
Now multiply that by 5 or 10 million.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LarryNM
(493 posts)sexually diverse. Todd and the rest of the MSM talking heads would eat it up.
That being said, Trump and the Rs could care less if women and POC could even vote.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sandensea
(21,529 posts)In that, Rapepublicans have a major advantage over us: there's no way we could be that shameless.
For we are, as Turd Blossom Rove snidely dismissed us, a "fact-based community."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
we can do it
(12,118 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DrToast
(6,414 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pangaia
(24,324 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brooklynite
(93,871 posts)We win with Democrats AND Independents.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brush
(53,474 posts)Who wants to risk our voters staying home because women and POCs were excluded?
It won't happen anyway though as AA voters, Latinx and Asian American voter and women voters will see to that not happening.
And why would we want to look like the repug party?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DrToast
(6,414 posts)Are you saying that POC won't vote because they were excluded?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brush
(53,474 posts)would be included. That's moving forward not backward when it was only white guys.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DrToast
(6,414 posts)I'm just trying to get these rules down. It's hard to keep track.
I guess according to Dean, a ticket of Biden and Sanders would be bad, but a ticket of Gabbard and Williamson would get people excited to vote!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brush
(53,474 posts)Our party is diversewomen, LGBTQ, AAs, Asian Americans, Native Americans, Latinx, progressive whitesnot hard to understand.
Let the ticket reflect that, not just white guys. Got it? Let's make the effort to be inclusive, even though some don't seem to want that.
And btw, neither of those two tickets would excite enough voters to actually win. Biden and Sanders are actually both older than trump. Why would we be foolish enough to give up both a youth advantage and a diversity advantage. Gabbard is a DINO and Williamson is an unknown so that ticket won't fly.
We have several great candidates from which to choose a ticket that has diversity and youth compared to trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pangaia
(24,324 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DrToast
(6,414 posts)You'd be pissed. And rightfully so.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brush
(53,474 posts)Just don't look like the white peoples' partythe repug standard tickettwo old. white guys.
We're w-a-a-a-a-a-y past that (see '08. '12 and '16)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DrToast
(6,414 posts)It's almost like you're saying that we should judge candidates based on their capabilities and not on what genitalia they were born with.
I agree!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)Moderates took the house back and we need to run a moderate and win the rustbelt or Trump wins. It is our only path. Biden can win. I dont see anyone else winning.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brush
(53,474 posts)My point is we dare not look like the white peoples' party by running two white men. Leave that to the repugs.
I just don't get how taking advantage of our party's diversity seems to be a weakness to some. That's our base for God's sake. And trump and the Russians are not going to pull off stealing the election in the midwest from under our noses like in 2016.
Let's create another blue wave as we did in 2018, and that blue wave came in on a tide of diversity along with women disgusted with the sex predator in the WH.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brush
(53,474 posts)donated and all to make sure he made the debate stage.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
we can do it
(12,118 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
obamanut2012
(25,911 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Merlot
(9,696 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Chipper Chat
(9,635 posts)That's 2 new englanders.
Biden/buttagieg - 2 whites
Well have to find the right working combination. Not an easy task
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
karynnj
(59,475 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Chipper Chat
(9,635 posts)I meant north easterners. Or east coasters.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)Warren/O'Rourke
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brush
(53,474 posts)Our party's demographic is diverse and the ticket should reflect it.
Pair one white guy with a woman/POC then we're getting somewhere. And the white guy doesn't necessarily have to be at the top of the ticket.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)Straw man.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,917 posts)zillion years.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
treestar
(82,383 posts)All of the other nominees provide someone young, female or of color.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(42,666 posts)time, Inslee, Sestak, and Hickenlooper.
In terms of what is 'old', remember Kamala Harris would be the oldest Democrat first time elected POTUS since Truman.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)I think. Jimmy carter born in 1924 so 52 when elected. That makes Biden, Bernie and warren all old for Democrats. Very interesting. We dont win with old candidates would be an interesting thing to run on. On the other hand , old rules of thumb could be dead.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(42,666 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)Born 1908. So sworn in at 63 and elected at 64.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....he proceeds to comment on this campaign!!
He knows as well as 99% of all Democrats know, we won't have "two old white guys on the ballot."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,917 posts)was "Duh!".. and I don't even like that expression. lol
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
underpants
(182,279 posts)Sorry if this doesn't suit everyone but she plays well on TV.
it's the world we live in.
Hold on. She's got a great story. Is phenomenally knowledgeable and has a amazing professional career. She, as my Mom would say, "sharp". It's not just her looks but whew that's some deep beauty.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)Go Joe
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LiberalFighter
(50,504 posts)Doubt that if an old white guy gets the nomination that he will consider another old white guy as his running mate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Fiendish Thingy
(15,369 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
potone
(1,701 posts)I really dont get the excitement about him. We need young people, minorities, and women to be excited to vote and eager to work for our candidates. Just because he is familiar and seems to be liked by the media doesnt mean that he will be a strong candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LarryNM
(493 posts)and that could have disastrous effects down ballot, like Senate races.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
democrank
(11,052 posts)Last time I checked, the period prior to the primaries was a time for Democrats to consider which candidate they favored. Some Democrats (and Independents) are yearning for new ideas, new ways of doing things.
I like Joe Biden, but hes not my first choice. I want change, a new path, a different road. I dont care what the polls say. I dont care what the consultants say. Im not looking to vote for who I think will work well with Mitch. Politicians like that have blood running out of the stab wounds in their backs before they reach Mitchs exit.
I admire Elizabeth Warrens courage and tenacity. I respect Pete Buttigiegs intelligence and vision. Eric Swallwell is a real gem and Beto is as compassionate a candidate I can remember in 50+ years of voting. Kamala seems tough as nails. I like her.
Ill ignore any bashing or trashing chatter. Thats not what Im doing. Like many others, Im taking my vote very seriously. Im simply undecided and carefully considering options. In the end, well come together. For now, some of us are simply in a different place.
~PEACE~
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dem4decades
(11,244 posts)Should i rule him out because of his race?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pattyloutwo
(279 posts)In my opinion Biden is too centrist to energize the voters. Lets not settle!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JI7
(89,180 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Newland56
(73 posts)While Howard Dean was my pick when he ran and I thought how he was taken out over nothing, I dont agree with this.
1- if the desire to remove trump does not outweigh the gender, race, or age of our candidate then we deserve to lose the election.
2 - the Democratic nominee of the last 3 presidential elections has been either a person of color or female. I think it might be time that we can work toward removing the gender/race/sexual orientation qualifiers when selecting our next nominee and choose based on policy proposals and platforms.
While there are merits to what Howard said, I think there are 2.5 battles lines that will play out this primary season.
1- the instability and anxiety Trump has caused leaves many yearning for normalcy and calm (Biden fits this bill)
2- the desire for a hard correction welcomes a new, charismatic inspiring candidate such as Warren or Mayor Pete or Bernie
2.5- racial/gender issues disqualify half the candidates and if one of them happens to get the nod, they may be too damaged to win or they may damage the rest of the field trying to stay in the race.
At any rate, I believe using age, race, or gender as a qualifier is just as wrong as using age, race, or gender as a disqualifyer
I do hope that the process and debate remains focused on the issues and more energy is spent by the candidates promoting their positions rather than attempting to exploit weaknesses in opponents in the field that will serve no positive purpose and only lower prospects of victory next fall.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dhol82
(9,351 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)if we don't do everything in our power to hold the scum-bucket-in-chief to account for his many and varied crimes.
Playing nice just does not cut it any longer.
We need to be, strongly, on the side supporting the rule of law. If we can't win doing that, all is lost anyway.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Mike Nelson
(9,903 posts)
two old white guys? Biden/Sanders?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatrickforO
(14,516 posts)We've got a good, diverse field.
However, it is my hope the voters will pick the person with the best set of plans, and the ability to articulate them in a compelling 'kitchen table' way.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)He said there should not be two men on the ticket. He would choose a female running mate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bleacher Creature
(11,236 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden