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Mon Jun 24, 2019, 05:15 PM

 

'Pete Has a Black Problem': Top Black Leaders Say Buttigieg Is 'Naive' on Race

NORTH AUGUSTA, South Carolina—A few weeks ago, a prominent black leader posed what seemed like a simple question to South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigiegduring a private meeting: Who in the African-American community back home supports you?

“He didn’t name anybody,” the leader said in an interview with The Daily Beast. “If he’s got young black supporters, they do have names.”

That leader, who requested anonymity to speak openly about a private meeting, was not only referring to young supporters but expressing a sentiment that was apparent in talks with several African-American lawmakers: that Buttigieg’s interactions with the black community in recent weeks were “naïve” and that the national perception of him as “genuine and authentic” was not always translating when it came to their concerns.

“Pete has a black problem,” Rep. Marcia Fudge (D-OH), the former chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus, told The Daily Beast. “I don’t know of one black person out of Indiana that supports him.”

More: https://www.thedailybeast.com/pete-buttigieg-has-a-black-problem-top-african-american-leaders-say-he-is-naive-on-race
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Reply 'Pete Has a Black Problem': Top Black Leaders Say Buttigieg Is 'Naive' on Race (Original post)
Jose Garcia Jun 2019 OP
Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2019 #1
pangaia Jun 2019 #2
FloridaBlues Jun 2019 #3
Blue_true Jun 2019 #26
CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2019 #4
elleng Jun 2019 #7
CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2019 #9
MBS Jun 2019 #8
elleng Jun 2019 #10
MBS Jun 2019 #12
elleng Jun 2019 #16
MBS Jun 2019 #22
CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2019 #11
Celerity Jun 2019 #24
cwydro Jun 2019 #32
SouthernProgressive Jun 2019 #5
JI7 Jun 2019 #6
a kennedy Jun 2019 #13
Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #14
emmaverybo Jun 2019 #27
left-of-center2012 Jun 2019 #15
DrToast Jun 2019 #20
Politicub Jun 2019 #17
RLG Jun 2019 #18
tulipsandroses Jun 2019 #19
crazytown Jun 2019 #21
mtnsnake Jun 2019 #23
CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2019 #25
Captain Zero Jun 2019 #28
JI7 Jun 2019 #29
Kind of Blue Jun 2019 #33
mtnsnake Jun 2019 #31
Nuggets Jun 2019 #30

Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 05:18 PM

1. Oh dear.

 

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 05:27 PM

2. Feel better now?

 

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 05:30 PM

3. This will be a problem for him to over come

 

Not sure the history he has with the AA community in his town during his time as mayor.
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Response to FloridaBlues (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 10:51 PM

26. He has a decent record with a couple glaring holes.

 

I think that his view on racial issues mirrors Senator Sanders, that if he fixes the economy, Blacks will rise with everyone else, I am not sure that he sees the unique issues that Blacks have with getting treated fairly by police, banks, government, ect.
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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 05:31 PM

4. It speaks to me as unfortunate that the one black person who is quoted...

 

is a woman who said “I don’t know of one black person out of Indiana that supports him.”

And yet the article goes on to mention several local black members of South Bend who do support and respect him.

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 05:34 PM

7. Right, Peg, doesn't sound very well-informed.

 

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Response to elleng (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 05:43 PM

9. Sure doesn't!

 

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 05:35 PM

8. the head of the local NAACP has actually endorsed him for president, too. n/t

 

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Response to MBS (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 05:44 PM

10. IMPORTANT!

 

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Response to elleng (Reply #10)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 05:59 PM

12. This was pointed out in one of the articles

 

about the South Bend protests. I'll look for the article and post the link when I can find it. (Can't do it tonight, though).
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Response to MBS (Reply #12)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 06:12 PM

16. Thanks

 

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Response to elleng (Reply #16)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 09:07 PM

22. this was not the article I originally had in mind but

 

it gets you to the same place.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/21/us/politics/buttigieg-south-bend-shooting.html
Michael Patton, president of the South Bend N.A.A.C.P., who stood quietly aside, praised the mayor, who is mostly known as a whiz kid versed in data and policy, for displaying empathy to both the Logan family and the police officer who shot him, Ryan O’Neill.

“I think we saw the human side of the mayor,” he said.
Earlier in the day, Mr. Patton told CNN that Mr. Buttigieg had his endorsement for president. “He’s led our community, South Bend, well, and I believe —— I have full confidence he could lead our nation as well,” he said.
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Response to MBS (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 05:44 PM

11. No local support, my lily-white ***!

 



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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #11)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 10:24 PM

24. and Marcia Fudge, anti-LGBTQ, who Moulton, Ryan and all the never-Nancy's were trying to use

 

in a palace coup, until she backed out at the last minute
.

Possible Pelosi Challenger for House Speaker Is One of Only Two Dems Who Did Not Support LGBT Equality Act

https://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/2018/11/possible-pelosi-challenger-for-house-speaker-is-one-of-only-two-dems-who-did-not-support-lgbt-equality-act/

Rep. Fudge is one of only two House Democrats who refused to support the LGBT Equality Act. The bill, introduced in May of 2017 by Rep. David Cicilline, would "prohibit discrimination on the basis of sex, gender identity, and sexual orientation."

The bill would amend two major civil rights laws to ban anti-LGBT discrimination in "education, employment, housing, credit, Federal jury service, public accommodations, and the use of Federal funds."

When introduced, it was supported by 241 Members of Congress: 46 Democratic Senators, 194 Democratic Representatives, and even one Republican Congresswoman.

But not Rep. Fudge, and not Illinois Democratic Congressman Dan Lipinski, who holds anti-LGBT views and beliefs in keeping with the Christian right.

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 25, 2019, 06:35 AM

32. And the "leader" requested anonymity.

 

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 05:31 PM

5. Hate to see this.

 

Some of this is really good learning material. I wis Mayor Pete the best. He has time, intelligence, energy and passion on his side. There is a whole lot worse than “naive” in elected positions from coast to coast. Buttigieg is absorbing a lot of info right now and has to make some good decisions. I’m pulling for both he and his community.
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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 05:31 PM

6. it's still not as bad as another candidate

 

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 06:03 PM

13. and that might be the "talking point" for him all election season.....

 

ya know how the talking heads grab onto a talking point and run, run, run with it. It’s a long season, and he’ll come out of this just fine. JMHO.
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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 06:06 PM

14. I think Pete's handled the recent events as best as he could.

 

It’s a tough situation to be in.
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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #14)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 10:53 PM

27. +1

 

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 06:06 PM

15. "That leader, who requested anonymity to speak openly ..."

 

"An unnamed source (who spoke openly) said ...."

blah blah blah

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #15)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 06:28 PM

20. Exactly.*

 

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 06:16 PM

17. Buttigieg listens to the people, even when the message is harsh.

 

But I'm suspicious of the quoted "leader" who doesn't want to be named... leaders don't typically remain anonymous because it makes it hard for followers to find them.

He basically said the buck stops with him yesterday evening. Accepting responsibility is what a leader does. I'm not sure what Mayor Pete should be doing differently or more of at this stage. He has my full support, though.
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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 06:22 PM

18. Note to Buttigieg supporters.

 

Expect more of these stories. It'll be tough for him to accumulate more support amongst the African American community.

Although the incident wasn't his fault. It just plays into the theme that he won't get enough AA support to win the nomination.
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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 06:26 PM

19. Repeating what I said yesterday about Bobby Kennedy

 

He was also called Naive.

It was fair criticism for Bobby Kennedy - Fair Criticism for Mayor Pete

He can use all these criticisms as Constructive the same way Bobby did. Bobby became the Man of the People - All people from blacks, whites, hispanics. Everybody came to love Bobby. Just saying. So we can get all hrumph that poor Pete is being criticized. I suspect that Mayor Pete is going to rise to the challenge.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 06:37 PM

21. Pete's Announcement at SB: Did one local black person support him?

 

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 09:52 PM

23. Mayor Pete's only black problem is no different from his white problem

 

and that is that he just isn't known as well as the other top candidates YET.

Just because one person, Marcia Fudge, says he has a black problem, that's supposed to mean he has a black problem? I don't think so. Once people actually hear what he has to say in the upcoming debates, town halls, interviews, etc, they will see that Mayor Pete is out for the general welfare of every person in this country regardless of whether they are black, white, or in between, gay or straight. He is that smart and that good a person. He might not end up winning, but he will impress the black community and everyone else in a huge way before this is over. There is no way that this "he has a black problem" is going to stick, at least not for very long.
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Response to mtnsnake (Reply #23)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 10:46 PM

25. Damn right, my dear mtnsnake!

 

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Response to mtnsnake (Reply #23)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 11:26 PM

28. If he is the nominee, many black Democrats might not be that inspired to get out and vote.

 

That could be all the difference considering the media and Putin's propaganda will insist it is a horse race.
There is a segment of the black religious community that won't ever vote for a Republican, but at the same time they are probably not exactly wildly comfortable with Pete. It shouldn't be that way, but it is. This is not a slam, just my opinion and I do have a basis for it in my encounters and observations. Maybe it can be overcome.
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Response to Captain Zero (Reply #28)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 11:47 PM

29. black people will vote no matter who is the nominee. it's white people who mostly vote republican

 

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Response to JI7 (Reply #29)

Tue Jun 25, 2019, 10:05 AM

33. +1000. We know the lesser of 2 evils fully well and in this

 

contest there is only one evil. Everyone I know, especially other black people, are ready to vote for the nominated Democrat.
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Response to Captain Zero (Reply #28)

Tue Jun 25, 2019, 06:33 AM

31. I think that's a good observation and a valid concern.

 

The point you made about inspiring people to get out and vote is important. It's easy to forget about that factor, so it's good that you brought it up.

BTW, your current favorite, Eric Swalwell, has always been one of my favorite Democrats. He's always great in his interviews, he's tough on Trump, and I thought he had an amazing town hall. I can't understand why he isn't more popular, but I think that could change once more people get to know and hear him. I love his intensity.
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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2019, 02:44 AM

30. I would like to know of he addressed the racist

 

accusations the fired chief had exposed.
It shouldn’t be ignored regardless of the chief’s actions.
The question is, is it true? Are there racist officers creating a hostile environment on the police force?
If so, what has he done to attempt to resolve the issue?
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