Democratic Primaries
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When you have to spend three days
explaining what your candidate actually meant and why it wasnt appalling, and you have to trot out assorted luminaries to vouch for your candidates non-appalling intentions, and it is painfully obvious that these episodes are going to happen frequently, maybe it is time to consider a different candidate?

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Jeebus H.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,147 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
kcr
(15,522 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Peacetrain
(23,725 posts)repackaging the same story.. you might want to consider why you feel compelled to do this..

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mopinko
(72,153 posts)how this looks on the teevee machine is not an insignificant consideration.
esp when your big selling point is electability.
that's just the reality.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(307,124 posts)are trying so hard to bring Biden down.. and it's not working.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skittles
(161,728 posts)or at the very least, stop telling us he is the only candidate who could beat Trump

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
But hed win bigger. Doh. That slipped dont hurt me.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(40,153 posts)every time he opens his mouth as he enters his early 80s.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Skittles
(161,728 posts)WAY better

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demit
(11,238 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)The GOP needs to find another candidate besides Trump.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Corrolary: when after 3 days of sweaty swiftboating the boaters are still sinking and the boatee sails on, Teflon intact, maybe its time to climb aboard.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,147 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hedda_foil
(16,621 posts)Swiftboating is repeating out and out lies about a candidate's history, particularly their primary selling points. Nobody has been lying about what he said and how it came off to many people. His refusal to walk it back or apologize is why it's been a three day wonder. He could have avoided the whole thing by choosing Republican examples to make his point. His staff even warned him about citing these racist segregationist Dixiecrats. As a result, he's had to drag out other politicians to vouch for him, thus prolonging the agony.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,720 posts)I was not among them. And there are still a few who think email-gate and Benghazi were self-inflicted wounds that required only a word from Hillary to make them instantly vanish. I never bought that bill of goods, either.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hedda_foil
(16,621 posts)And honestly, I had my doubts about both of these fine people's true electability in the year each was nominated. I just didn't think they fully "got" the mood of the Democratic electorate (including gettable independents) at the time, though I worked and voted for both of them and hoped I was wrong. I have the same feeling about Biden.
I wish my gut had been wrong once or twice but going back to JFK, it's been right every time except possibly for Carter, who I thought would beat Raygun despite his ridiculously bad press. And every one of the nominees I worried about lost even though they were all miles better than their opponent.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(29,935 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demit
(11,238 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pazzyanne
(6,653 posts)

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden


primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)And stop attacking other Democrats.
If all you got is:
"Joe did this"
and
"Joe did that" .....
you ain't got nuthin'
and
it sounds so juvenile.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)When you have to spend three days telling us why we should vote against another candidate, you must have nothing going for you - nothing to talk about as to why you should be the nominee.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden



primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wyldwolf
(43,891 posts)... and DU really really needs 'Like' buttons. I keep looking for them.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JoeOtterbein
(7,807 posts)Thanks!

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LibFarmer
(772 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
progressoid
(50,949 posts)why not talk about Harris' and Booker's remarks?

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LibFarmer
(772 posts)but the ut the original smear has David Sirota's fingerprints and DNA on it.
So, my question still is, "How is it working out for Senator BS?"

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)They made their own choices for their own reasons. If you don't agree with them, fine. But don't patronize by assuming they are dupes of a rival operative.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
progressoid
(50,949 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LakeArenal
(29,935 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hedda_foil
(16,621 posts)Joe did it to himself. Sirota isn't that good.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)and the Disaster has been in the WH, so what happened to the Revolution? I had heard that Dotard would mess things up so badly, the People would come to their sense and demand a Revolution. Where is it happening?

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LibFarmer
(772 posts)of people like Cenk Uygur and Saikat Chakraborti. (And perhaps others)

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
No doubt!

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)Instead of constantly looking over Joe Biden's shoulders to see if he is holding his knife in the left hand or if he has properly dropped an aluminum can in a recyclable bin, they could perhaps write more about Senator BS's major accomplishments.
He recently gave a speech that was the best speech since MLK, Jr.'s speech in Washington. There was another speech (or maybe the same one) which was the best speech since the Gettysburg address. (I could pull the links to those but it is Friday night and I'm tired)
Perhaps a few more positive posts about millionaires, billionaires, plutocrats, oligarchs, economic injustice, Medicare for All, raising the minimum wage and all the benefits people will get at no cost might just stop his slide in the polls to single digits.
Wasting time on driving down other candidates' poll numbers is having the opposite effect. Doing it over and over fits one of Einstein's definitions.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)That campaign wants to keep it going ever after it turned out to be another dud.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(15,200 posts)a public event. It is one of his standard public event stories, and his staff has begged him to drop it. He made it worse this time with the he never called me boy quip, which was a new addition and is what pushed it into a multi day cluster fuck.
This sort of self inflicted nonsense is what Biden is notorious for. He even admits it, hes a gaffe factory, says so himself.
Blaming other candidates for Bidens gaffes is ridiculous.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)at NYT and by Charlie Pierce. Facts are facts.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(15,200 posts)That is a ridiculous theory.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(15,200 posts)Maybe he is the new Soros, huh?
Ridiculous conspiracy theories are ridiculous.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)A better comparison would be Lee Atwater, Karl Rove or Roger Stone.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(15,200 posts)guys were hugely successful getting people elected.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)positively for themselves? If Biden is so bad, he will sink when the great qualities of whoever else you are supporting become apparent. Can't they win on their own merits? They have to talk about Biden instead of themselves?
And what if Biden is the nominee? You'll have worked yourself up against him, not want to vote for him, and help us end up with another 4 years of disaster. Maybe the Revolution will really happen then?

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(15,200 posts)its politics. And if you think the attacks from his fellow candidates are bad, if he is the nominee the full shitstorm will descend. If he can't handle this, he is doomed.
Every four years I vote for a democratic candidate I have major policy differences with. Don't worry about me, but thanks anyway for your concern.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
treestar
(82,383 posts)to see if they can handle it. Biden has already handled it for years. If that's so important as you say, then why not test them? Where are you threads of attacks on other candidates to vet them for this ability.
Like I said, it would be more persuasive if people talked about why their candidate should win, rather than why Biden shouldn't. Seems they have little to say about why their candidate should and can win.
There are so many negative threads about Biden on the board and hardly any about the other candidates. That makes it appear like we think he is surely going to be the candidate and we have to deal with his gaffes. And the general voters won't care about this kind of thing enough to worry about it. We should plan how we will defend and speak FOR each of the candidates, in case they win the nomination.
I always see this concept of "we want something to vote FOR" by the same who now spend so much time telling us what to vote AGAINST. In the general are they going to rely on what did not work, that is, telling everyone why NOT to vote for the Dotard?

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(15,200 posts)Buttigieg is getting hammered for his appearance in Indianapolis.
Sanders gets bashed incessantly for everything conceivable.
Warren has been anointed unelectable.
Nobody is getting a free ride.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
treestar
(82,383 posts)Look at page one DP from yesterday. Biden, Biden, Biden.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)I saw the problem with Biden's remark the second I saw it, before any commentary. A tweet quoting it was posted the same night, shortly after he said it. I saw the problem with it right away, expected the media would make a big deal of it and that political opponents could use it against him.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)First, what's the evidence that it was leaked by the Sanders campaign?
Second, what difference does it make if they did? Biden said the words he was reported to have said. He then defended them. Trump would have been happy to release the same story if their oppo research got a hold of it.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(47,246 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Voltaire2
(15,200 posts)I'm still trying to get somebody to explain this "leak" theory.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(47,246 posts)they always post that Bernie was behind it.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skittles
(161,728 posts)the op is spot on

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brewens
(15,359 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MineralMan
(148,450 posts)with something horrible.
I know what he said. I still support him. In fact, I'm pretty certain he will be the Democratic nominee. I hope you'll vote for him, if that is the case.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BootinUp
(49,316 posts)The other candidates will manufacture a controversy on my next choice too.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(15,200 posts)He has proclaimed himself a gaffe machine.
"I am a gaffe machine, but my God what a wonderful thing compared to a guy who can't tell the truth,"
https://edition-m.cnn.com/2018/12/04/politics/joe-biden-most-qualified-person-president-2020/index.html
Get used to it. It is what he does.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
CTyankee
(65,597 posts)even with interpreters and I can foresee problems right there...

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(15,200 posts)We really can do better.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BeyondGeography
(40,153 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DCofVA
(714 posts)If Biden ends up being the nominee, Trump will have an arsenal of material (provided by Biden himself) to use against him. And no other candidate has more baggage than Biden. This is why I dont support him. I honestly think he would be the easiest candidate (among the front runners) for Trump to beat.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LakeArenal
(29,935 posts)Love Pete but speaking many languages is not foreign policy.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)The Dotard has done so many. It is looked at as honest. In fact, candidates who don't make any are going to end up being rather dull. Voters don't like platitudes either - which is what most political speeches are full of anyway.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wyldwolf
(43,891 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
myohmy2
(3,572 posts)...you're right, and now's the time...
...flubbing around for three days is a long time in presidential politics...trump and the pukes would have gaffe field days...issues? what issues? there would be no other issues...
...we can do better...
...

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(15,200 posts)The trump campaign wants a clown show.

primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)And by focusing on the irrelevant while pretending it's of concern, we allow him that clown show.
Ironic, no?
(no... of course not. you'll deny the irony while yet supporting it)

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
"...and you have to trot out assorted luminaries to vouch for your candidates non-appalling intentions..."
...for me, I would love to see our Nominee fit the Party instead of the Party made to fit the Nominee...it's all part of that, '...play it safe, keep your powder dry' corporate mentality and argument...
...for once, why don't we nominate somebody wild, roll the dice, excite the Party, excite the electorate and bring real change to the working people of our country...
...Joe's a good guy but Joe's had over 40 years to get it right...
...the pukes want Joe and his baggage to hand us another lost election...must we accommodate?
...

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"...low-income kids so that they're not hanging out on street corners.
...dont know what its like to be living in a ghetto. You dont know what its like to be poor.
Etc.
This is where the distinction lacking a relevant difference comes into play.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,420 posts)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden